Re: KDE 3.2.2 for Woody... Careful upgrading..
On Friday 23 April 2004 01:22, Nate Duehr wrote: Jess Roncero Franco wrote: snip snip Just because the userbase tends to use apt-get quite a bit, doesn't mean it's intelligent enough to do everything, nor has it ever been. I remember seeing notes from the apt-get developers warning against its use as a generic tool long ago. The warnings about how it does its package dependencies have simply slipped out of the general consciousness over the past few years. I still have days running testing on one of the machines here where it refuses to upgrade something, fire up dselect and it figures out the dependency problem perfectly and finishes off where apt-get gave up. Nate Duehr, [EMAIL PROTECTED] What would help a lot if someone with extensive experience of dselect would write a how-to for even recent converts to Debian to be able to figure out how to use it. The popularity of apt-get is its apparent simplicity but its documentation is lacking in explaining its limitations. Barry.
Re: KDE 3.2.2 for Woody... Careful upgrading..
Just because the userbase tends to use apt-get quite a bit, doesn't mean it's intelligent enough to do everything, nor has it ever been. I remember seeing notes from the apt-get developers warning against its use as a generic tool long ago. The warnings about how it does its package dependencies have simply slipped out of the general consciousness over the past few years. I still have days running testing on one of the machines here where it refuses to upgrade something, fire up dselect and it figures out the dependency problem perfectly and finishes off where apt-get gave up. Nate Duehr, [EMAIL PROTECTED] What would help a lot if someone with extensive experience of dselect would write a how-to for even recent converts to Debian to be able to figure out how to use it. The popularity of apt-get is its apparent simplicity but its documentation is lacking in explaining its limitations. I think, the big problem with this upgrade is that it differs too much from the other kde versions for woody. Is it really necessary to upgrade to xfree 4.3.0? The 3.2.0 kde packages dealt well with 4.1.0 and also got along with libqt3-mt and the 3.2.2 packages now come with libqt3c102-mt. I think these packages were build on a sid or sarge system and not on a woody system, is that possible? ingo
Re: KDE 3.2.2 for Woody... Careful upgrading..
Barry wrote: On Friday 23 April 2004 01:22, Nate Duehr wrote: Jes?s Roncero Franco wrote: snip snip Just because the userbase tends to use apt-get quite a bit, doesn't mean it's intelligent enough to do everything, nor has it ever been. I remember seeing notes from the apt-get developers warning against its use as a generic tool long ago. The warnings about how it does its package dependencies have simply slipped out of the general consciousness over the past few years. I still have days running testing on one of the machines here where it refuses to upgrade something, fire up dselect and it figures out the dependency problem perfectly and finishes off where apt-get gave up. Nate Duehr, [EMAIL PROTECTED] What would help a lot if someone with extensive experience of dselect would write a how-to for even recent converts to Debian to be able to figure out how to use it. The popularity of apt-get is its apparent simplicity but its documentation is lacking in explaining its limitations. Don't bother. I never figured out how to navigate dselect. Aptitude is much better and is highly recommended by many. Paul Scott
Re: problem with accent in konsole and konqueror [KDE 3.2.2 on Woody]
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Jean, Am Donnerstag, 22. April 2004 00:59 schrieb Jean Darcoux: My keyboard configuration worked very well before I updated to 3.2.2. Now I can't write the à and è characters in kde application. This seems to be related to kde, since I am able to write theses characters in emacs or gvim, but not in application like kwrite, konqueror or the konsole. Strangely, I can write theses characters in emacs/gvim even when I am into KDE. With sawfish I have no problem, so I don't this is an Xfree configuration problem. Just a guess, maybe your keyboard layout variant has changed. In Control Center, go to 'Regional Accessability', then 'Keyboard Layout' and click on the active keyboard layout. After this, check if 'Layout variant' is (I guess this might be appropriate for you) 'deadgraveacute'. HTH, Elmar - -- | Elmar W. Hoefner | You can send me encrypted mail. Get my public PGP/GPG key from | http://www.dfn-pca.de/pgpkserv/ | Key ID: 0xB53008E2 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFAh3GHWmu377UwCOIRAs7VAKCo9h3ZR0VJUGE9w0EqzDjTws3Z3QCgiknl y/3KIG4mxX6jGn1zBXxWuIg= =uXiY -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: KDE 3.2.2 for Woody... Careful upgrading..
El Miércoles, 21 de Abril de 2004 00:08, Florian Ernst escribió: a) apt-get is easily explainable, i.e. telling someone to apt-get install package instead of telling to start aptitude / dselect / Hey! :-) aptitude is really really similar to apt-get in CLI. In fact, I'm always lost using aptitude's GUI, but aptitude update aptitude dist-upgrade is really easy for apt-get users. -- Alex (a.k.a. suy) - GPG ID 0x0B8B0BC2 http://darkshines.net/ - Jabber ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: KDE 3.2.2 for Woody... Careful upgrading..
Jesús Roncero Franco wrote: Ok, I'd remake my question. If today's preferred method of installing and upgrading software in debian is apt-get, and it has some problems, why is this the first time I heard of it? I mean, from a user perspective, one that reads many debian related mailing lists, apt-get is the most recommended tool, not aptitude. You just missed it. It's been discussed in debian-devel, on #debian on whatever IRC-du-jour IRC server was servicing Debian at the time, and in numerous other places (including debian-user) over the years. Just because the userbase tends to use apt-get quite a bit, doesn't mean it's intelligent enough to do everything, nor has it ever been. I remember seeing notes from the apt-get developers warning against its use as a generic tool long ago. The warnings about how it does its package dependencies have simply slipped out of the general consciousness over the past few years. I still have days running testing on one of the machines here where it refuses to upgrade something, fire up dselect and it figures out the dependency problem perfectly and finishes off where apt-get gave up. Nate Duehr, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: KDE 3.2.2 for Woody... Careful upgrading..
Jesús Roncero Franco writes: Ok, I'd remake my question. If today's preferred method of installing and upgrading software in debian is apt-get, and it has some problems, why is this the first time I heard of it? I mean, from a user perspective, one that reads many debian related mailing lists, apt-get is the most recommended tool, not aptitude. Then you read the wrong mailing lists. I sometimes work on Debian KDE bug reports, and using apt-get for major upgrades is a known, and not-going-to-be-fixed-any-time-soon bug. Anyway, how do the debian kde guys make it to do it almost painless? Well erm, making the dependency statements as simple as possible helps, but apt-get dist-upgrade currently still fails on upgrading from woody to testing iirc, and we have no idea how to fix it. cheers domi
Re: KDE 3.2.2 for Woody... Careful upgrading..
Hendrik Sattler writes: The latter is much, much more informative and better tells me about the current situation. aptitude is even wrong here (the lynx package is only removed, not purged). From dpkg: rc lynx 2.8.4.1b-1 I have no idea about the interface of all these things. Furthermore, it's about which tool you want to use to upgrade, apt-cache is purely an informational tool. However, it still has a low version number, there may be reasons for it. AFAIK, it's considered stable. PS: Please DO NOT send me a copy of an answer per PM gg:Mail-Followup-To: cheers domi
problem with accent in konsole and konqueror [KDE 3.2.2 on Woody]
Hi all My keyboard configuration worked very well before I updated to 3.2.2. Now I can't write the à and è characters in kde application. This seems to be related to kde, since I am able to write theses characters in emacs or gvim, but not in application like kwrite, konqueror or the konsole. Strangely, I can write theses characters in emacs/gvim even when I am into KDE. With sawfish I have no problem, so I don't this is an Xfree configuration problem. Your help will be apprecied Jean _ MSN Search, le moteur de recherche qui pense comme vous ! http://fr.ca.search.msn.com/
Re: KDE 3.2.2 for Woody... Careful upgrading..
On Tuesday 20 April 2004 02:00, Michael Peddemors wrote: Korganizer ate my calendar.. (Backup your .ics, actually my fault, anyone upgrading should always backup their .kde directory, JUST IN CASE, however it still should not have ate it.) I did a backup, but I think something is wrong with korganizer, cause I can't save anything. I have tried to restore my old ics files, but on startup, korganizer deletes my entrys again :/ does anybody know how to fix this problem? greets dominik PS: all icons in the menubars are double too..
RE: problem with accent in konsole and konqueror [KDE 3.2.2 on Woody]
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Re: KDE 3.2.2 for Woody... Careful upgrading..
Michael Peddemors writes: Korganizer ate my calendar.. (Backup your .ics, actually my fault, anyone upgrading should always backup their .kde directory, JUST IN CASE, however it still should not have ate it.) Can you file a bug report about that on bugs.kde.org, so people there can try to diagnose and fix ? First of all, apparently you're using apt-get install for upgrading packages. This is a bad idea. Use dselect, aptitude, synaptic, these do a much better job at automatically handling dependencies. OpenOffice no longer wants to install Sorry, but the following packages have unmet dependencies: openoffice.org1.1-bin: Depends: libfreetype6 ( 2.1.0) but 2.1.5-1woody2 is to be installed That of course has nothing to do with KDE. However, you need to remove the old openoffice.org1.1-bin, as it is replaced by openoffice.org-bin. See above, this would have been fixed by a proper pkg mgt tool. kdeaddons won't install... Not sure why.. (Actually, NOW it does, but only after installing kdeaddons-kfile-plugins, not sure why that didn't automagically work) See above: use a proper mgt tool. Fonts all changed.. (maybe new defaults, and didn't keep the old settings.) No idea. komba2 is now gone..(That I understand, I guess) That's strange, it is still there on my system. Lost 'psi' as it needs libqt3-mt, but that will remove everything.. as we now use libqt3c102-mt (Strange the naming for qt3-dev-tools stayed the same) If you're going to be using unstable, you should also use psi from unstable. See above: use a proper pkg mgt tool. Something replaces kdepim-libs.. I had to remove that one, it got jammed up as well.. This is intended. See above: use a proper pkg mgt tool. cheers domi
Re: KDE 3.2.2 for Woody... Careful upgrading..
On April 20, 2004 01:14 am, you wrote: Michael Peddemors writes: Korganizer ate my calendar.. (Backup your .ics, actually my fault, anyone upgrading should always backup their .kde directory, JUST IN CASE, however it still should not have ate it.) Can you file a bug report about that on bugs.kde.org, so people there can try to diagnose and fix ? I always tend to file bug reports.. :) First of all, you can see that this is just a general idea so others who are going to jump in and try an 'apt-get upgrade' might face... Also, the First of all, apparently you're using apt-get install for upgrading packages. This is a bad idea. Use dselect, aptitude, synaptic, these do a much better job at automatically handling dependencies. The packages themselves are meant to handle dependencies, that is the beauty of Debian isn't it? That of course has nothing to do with KDE. However, you need to remove the old openoffice.org1.1-bin, as it is replaced by openoffice.org-bin. See above, this would have been fixed by a proper pkg mgt tool. I expected that, that is why the dependency forced a certain version of libfreetype. But others may not expect it. kdeaddons won't install... Not sure why.. (Actually, NOW it does, but only after installing kdeaddons-kfile-plugins, not sure why that didn't automagically work) Again, this is to point out that 'apt-get upgrade' doesn't work in this case, and people have to watch out. Lost 'psi' as it needs libqt3-mt, but that will remove everything.. as we now use libqt3c102-mt (Strange the naming for qt3-dev-tools stayed the same) If you're going to be using unstable, you should also use psi from unstable. See above: use a proper pkg mgt tool. If you notice, I am NOT using unstable, but WOODY.. Again, I am doing testing of the upgrade, for our clients are going to run into the same issues.. This is to point out that there are some dependency problems that prevent an apt-get upgrade, or apt-get install in moving to this version of KDE.. I have the ability to deal with these issues, others on the list may not. -- Catch the Magic of Linux... Michael Peddemors - Senior Systems Developer LinuxAdministration - Internet Services NetworkServices - Programming - Security Wizard IT Services http://www.wizard.ca Linux Support Specialist - http://www.linuxmagic.com LinuxMagic is a Registered TradeMark of Wizard Tower TechnoServices Ltd. (604)589-0037 Beautiful British Columbia, Canada This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. Please note that any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of the company.
Re: KDE 3.2.2 for Woody... Careful upgrading..
On Tue April 20 2004 10:00 am, Michael Peddemors wrote: ] Hmm.. THis was the worst KDE upgrade in a long while.. ] Had to delete 1/2 of KDE to get the upgrade to work, from KDE 3.2.0 to 3.2.2 I went from 3.2.0 to 3.2.1 and lost my bookmarks (and a few other things, as detailed in a message to this list some weeks back). Nothing that I wasn't prepared for (backups are a usual part of your schedule, right?) and nothing that you don't expect when using new software. ] Korganizer ate my calendar.. (Backup your .ics, actually my fault, anyone ] upgrading should always backup their .kde directory, JUST IN CASE, however it ] still should not have ate it.) That's really weird. I haven't seen any hiccups with my jedd.ics file at all under any of the upgrade scenarios. I'm using the unstable branch, but I don't see why, at a user-level, you'd lose that file. Did it rename or copy the old file? Did you look in your ~/.kde/share/apps/korganizer directory to see if there's a backup? Really, you should be doing backups of all your irreplaceable data, particularly prior to a major upgrade. ] OpenOffice no longer wants to install I'd suggest this is a Debian / woody problem, not a KDE one. ] kdeaddons won't install... Not sure why.. (Actually, NOW it does, but only ] after installing kdeaddons-kfile-plugins, not sure why that didn't ] automagically work) Using apt-get install .. ? It won't automatically install new packages. I usually do 'apt-get upgrade -u' and look at all the things that won't install automatically, and then go and 'install' a few of those once the main lump's been installed, and slowly whittle down the 'can't install these yet' packages section. ] Fonts all changed.. (maybe new defaults, and didn't keep the old settings.) I haven't seen any font changes in unstable (3.2.0 - 3.2.1 - 3.2.2) at a user-level. I think perhaps one font changed for the default user, but not for any existing user. Perhaps that's because I'd changed the default fonts (all 7? of them) a while back for the various font-types offered in the kontrol-centre. ] Aspell no longer likes it.. I think I backed up a version? If you really want to install two-day-old KDE versions, you should probably consider moving to something more recent than a 12-month old version of Debian. unstable(sid) is really not that scary a place to be -- and you'll find more people are in that part of the world than the woody/unstablekde region, so you tend to get saner upgrades and better support. Sad, but true. ] Lost 'psi' as it needs libqt3-mt, but that will remove everything.. as we now ] use libqt3c102-mt (Strange the naming for qt3-dev-tools stayed the same) I've had a few packages that wanted to disappear and come back in another form .. but psi hasn't been one of them. ] Something replaces kdepim-libs.. I had to remove that one, it got jammed up as ] well.. Yes, libkdepim1. apt-get upgrade or apt-get dist-upgrade is preferable to apt-get install's .. as a general rule, too. Jedd.
Re: KDE 3.2.2 for Woody... Careful upgrading..
Hello Michael! On Tue, Apr 20, 2004 at 08:00:06AM -0700, Michael Peddemors wrote: On April 20, 2004 01:14 am, you wrote: First of all, apparently you're using apt-get install for upgrading packages. This is a bad idea. Use dselect, aptitude, synaptic, these do a much better job at automatically handling dependencies. The packages themselves are meant to handle dependencies, that is the beauty of Debian isn't it? Well, actually the Debian package format allows to state dependencies (ranging from hard Depends: via medium Recommends: to soft Suggests:) rather than letting the packages handle those themselves. A higher level tool like dselect, aptitude, synaptic, and apt-get as well, can parse these statements and conduct the best way of proceeding from these, and if user action needs to be taken present the user a reasonable set of choices. Some higher level tools are »smarter« in doing so than others, though, especially when upgrading a large suite of packages including adding and removing supplementary stuff... So in conclusion I concur with Dominique. Just some nitpicking, cheers, Flo signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: KDE 3.2.2 for Woody... Careful upgrading..
Michael Peddemors writes: If you notice, I am NOT using unstable, but WOODY.. Again, I am doing testing of the upgrade, for our clients are going to run into the same issues.. This is to point out that there are some dependency problems that prevent an apt-get upgrade, or apt-get install in moving to this version of KDE.. I have the ability to deal with these issues, others on the list may not. Perhaps you missed the point of my last mail: DO NOT USE APT-GET FOR MAJOR UPGRADES ! cheers domi
Re: KDE 3.2.2 for Woody... Careful upgrading..
Am Tuesday 20 April 2004 18:09 schrieb Dominique Devriese: Michael Peddemors writes: If you notice, I am NOT using unstable, but WOODY.. Again, I am doing testing of the upgrade, for our clients are going to run into the same issues.. This is to point out that there are some dependency problems that prevent an apt-get upgrade, or apt-get install in moving to this version of KDE.. I have the ability to deal with these issues, others on the list may not. Perhaps you missed the point of my last mail: DO NOT USE APT-GET FOR MAJOR UPGRADES ! Hmm, upgrading KDE is a major upgrade? Additionally, I disagree with you. I do not like dselect. aptitute may be good but the interface really sucks HS -- Mein GPG-Key ist auf meiner Homepage verfügbar: http://www.hendrik-sattler.de oder über pgp.net PingoS - Linux-User helfen Schulen: http://www.pingos.org
Re: KDE 3.2.2 for Woody... Careful upgrading..
Not to start a flame, but upgrading only KDE from a 3.2.0 to a 3.2.2 would not be expected to be a major upgrade.. PS, the problem with the OpenOffice compatability still exists on Woody with 3.2.2, because of the libfreetype.. What apt sources do use for OpenOffice that doens't have these issues? On April 20, 2004 09:09 am, Dominique Devriese wrote: Michael Peddemors writes: If you notice, I am NOT using unstable, but WOODY.. Again, I am doing testing of the upgrade, for our clients are going to run into the same issues.. This is to point out that there are some dependency problems that prevent an apt-get upgrade, or apt-get install in moving to this version of KDE.. I have the ability to deal with these issues, others on the list may not. Perhaps you missed the point of my last mail: DO NOT USE APT-GET FOR MAJOR UPGRADES ! cheers domi -- Catch the Magic of Linux... Michael Peddemors - Senior Systems Developer LinuxAdministration - Internet Services NetworkServices - Programming - Security Wizard IT Services http://www.wizard.ca Linux Support Specialist - http://www.linuxmagic.com LinuxMagic is a Registered TradeMark of Wizard Tower TechnoServices Ltd. (604)589-0037 Beautiful British Columbia, Canada This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. Please note that any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of the company.
Re: KDE 3.2.2 for Woody... Careful upgrading..
Hendrik Sattler writes: Am Tuesday 20 April 2004 18:09 schrieb Dominique Devriese: Michael Peddemors writes: If you notice, I am NOT using unstable, but WOODY.. Again, I am doing testing of the upgrade, for our clients are going to run into the same issues.. This is to point out that there are some dependency problems that prevent an apt-get upgrade, or apt-get install in moving to this version of KDE.. I have the ability to deal with these issues, others on the list may not. Perhaps you missed the point of my last mail: DO NOT USE APT-GET FOR MAJOR UPGRADES ! Hmm, upgrading KDE is a major upgrade? Yes. Meaning that it needs uninstalling other packages and installing new ones instead. Additionally, I disagree with you. I do not like dselect. aptitute may be good but the interface really sucks It's not about an interface, it's about apt-get's logic being insufficient to properly figure out the correct solution for dependency problems. Use either dselect, aptitude, or whatever other pkg mgt app you prefer, that has proper dependency resolution code, but NOT APT-GET. All the bugs in the OP's mail were caused by this. If you want to use apt-get anyway, then at least use apt-get dist-upgrade. cheers domi
Re: KDE 3.2.2 for Woody... Careful upgrading..
On Tuesday 20 April 2004 20:39, Dominique Devriese wrote: Yes. Meaning that it needs uninstalling other packages and installing new ones instead. Additionally, I disagree with you. I do not like dselect. aptitute may be good but the interface really sucks It's not about an interface, it's about apt-get's logic being insufficient to properly figure out the correct solution for Well, then how are the official debian sid packages made? Those seem to upgrade fine. Maybe it is that people is too used to apt-get dist-upgrading quite easily. Why then debian relies on apt-get and not on aptitude :-? -- jabber: golan [EMAIL PROTECTED] bulmalug.net Out: 14.25 ºC -- In: 22.62 ºC
Re: KDE 3.2.2 for Woody... Careful upgrading..
Hello! On Tue, Apr 20, 2004 at 10:40:50PM +0200, Jesús Roncero Franco wrote: Maybe it is that people is too used to apt-get dist-upgrading quite easily. Why then debian relies on apt-get and not on aptitude :-? Does Debian? Please see for example the Release Note for Woody at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading#s-dselectupgrade and following. For easy and well-defined tasks apt-get is just fine, but otherwise I'd rely on some »smarter« tool. Cheers, Flo signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: KDE 3.2.2 for Woody... Careful upgrading..
On Tuesday 20 April 2004 22:56, Florian Ernst wrote: Hello! On Tue, Apr 20, 2004 at 10:40:50PM +0200, Jesús Roncero Franco wrote: Maybe it is that people is too used to apt-get dist-upgrading quite easily. Why then debian relies on apt-get and not on aptitude :-? Does Debian? Well, it does for me! At least, it upgrades well from kde 3.2.0 to kde 3.2.1, etc. Please see for example the Release Note for Woody at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading#s-dse lectupgrade and following. For easy and well-defined tasks apt-get is just fine, but otherwise I'd rely on some »smarter« tool. Ok, I'd remake my question. If today's preferred method of installing and upgrading software in debian is apt-get, and it has some problems, why is this the first time I heard of it? I mean, from a user perspective, one that reads many debian related mailing lists, apt-get is the most recommended tool, not aptitude. Anyway, how do the debian kde guys make it to do it almost painless? Could it be done the same way? Just being curious, not wanting to start a flame about this! :) -- jabber: golan [EMAIL PROTECTED] bulmalug.net Out: 14.25 ºC -- In: 22.62 ºC
Re: KDE 3.2.2 for Woody... Careful upgrading..
Jesús Roncero Franco writes: On Tuesday 20 April 2004 20:39, Dominique Devriese wrote: Yes. Meaning that it needs uninstalling other packages and installing new ones instead. Additionally, I disagree with you. I do not like dselect. aptitute may be good but the interface really sucks It's not about an interface, it's about apt-get's logic being insufficient to properly figure out the correct solution for Well, then how are the official debian sid packages made? Those seem to upgrade fine. Maybe it is that people is too used to apt-get dist-upgrading quite easily. Why then debian relies on apt-get and not on aptitude :-? First, there are difficult apt versions, apt's logic is already a little bit better in sarge and sid. It's just very bad in woody, and Debian officially recommends to not use it for upgrading to sarge. Second, there's a difference between apt-get dist-upgrade on the one hand and apt-get install and apt-get upgrade on the other hand. The OP was using the latter, and these are completely unsufficient for major upgrades, which is what I was trying to make very clear with the capitalised text. apt-get dist-upgrade is not all too bad ( in sarge ), but still does not succeed in completely figuring out the dependencies properly in all situations. Third, the reason why Debian relies on apt-get ( meaning that apt-get is priority important, not at all meaning that Debian can't be used without apt-get ), and not on aptitude is simply that apt came first. Aptitude is strictly better, and if hit had been available at the time, I'm sure aptitude would have been chosen over apt-get. Fourth, just a last comment: as a developer who has looked at the dpkg and apt code ( and you may believe me or not, I don't care, I'd just like to make this clear ): Debian's packaging tools are pretty poorly coded. People often argue about how great apt-get is, compared to Red Hat's and Mandrake's tools, but what they mean is that the Debian package repository is pretty good, this has nothing to do with apt. The problems with dpkg, apt and aptitude are, briefly: 1 They do not properly make use of any sort of database. dpkg uses its data in a very slow manner. Apt-get uses a different database, and uses it in a very slow manner as well. Both suck. 2 They don't provide certain extremely useful features like keeping track of which packages were *explicitly* installed and which weren't, in order to provide much more useful dependency resolution. 3 They don't have a proper graphic, user-friendly interface. This is partly fixed by certain recent programs like aptitude, synaptic and others, but none of these succeed in reaching the level of ease of use necessary for ordinary users, partly because of the above reasons as well. Anyway, IMHO, a lot of things here require fixing. If I had time, I'd love to write a proper apt replacement, but I don't have time, unfortunately. cheers domi
Re: KDE 3.2.2 for Woody... Careful upgrading..
Hello again! On Tue, Apr 20, 2004 at 11:18:12PM +0200, Jesús Roncero Franco wrote: On Tuesday 20 April 2004 22:56, Florian Ernst wrote: Please see for example the Release Note for Woody at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading#s-dse lectupgrade and following. For easy and well-defined tasks apt-get is just fine, but otherwise I'd rely on some »smarter« tool. Ok, I'd remake my question. If today's preferred method of installing and upgrading software in debian is apt-get, and it has some problems, why is this the first time I heard of it? I mean, from a user perspective, one that reads many debian related mailing lists, apt-get is the most recommended tool, not aptitude. I'd guess it's because of a) apt-get is easily explainable, i.e. telling someone to apt-get install package instead of telling to start aptitude / dselect / synaptic / kpackage / $whatever, search for the package and select it for installation is way easier (yes, I know, at least aptitude and dselect can be controlled from the command line). b) it's pretty straightfoward, unlike for example dselect. c) it's there on _every single system_. But that's only guesswork... Well, after all as seen in the Release Notes apt-get isn't quite recommended for this particular major release upgrade. *shrugs* Cheers, Flo signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: KDE 3.2.2 for Woody... Careful upgrading..
Am Tuesday 20 April 2004 23:33 schrieb Dominique Devriese: [...] After purging and reinstalling aptitude with apt-get ;), I could make it work (previously, something was messed up because it wanted to install about 100 new packages without me doing anything). Maybe you know about one issue with aptitude: it shows me the available versions of a package: c --\ lynx none2.8.5-1 p 2.8.5-1 p 2.8.4.1b-1 i lynx-ssl 1:2.8.4.1b-3 p lynx-cur 2.8.5-20 However, I'd rather like the apt-cache output: $ apt-cache policy lynx lynx: Installed: (none) Candidate: 2.8.5-1 Version Table: 2.8.5-1 0 500 http://ftp.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de testing/main Packages -10 http://ftp.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de unstable/main Packages 2.8.4.1b-1 0 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status The latter is much, much more informative and better tells me about the current situation. aptitude is even wrong here (the lynx package is only removed, not purged). From dpkg: rc lynx 2.8.4.1b-1 However, it still has a low version number, there may be reasons for it. HS PS: Please DO NOT send me a copy of an answer per PM -- Mein GPG-Key ist auf meiner Homepage verfügbar: http://www.hendrik-sattler.de oder über pgp.net PingoS - Linux-User helfen Schulen: http://www.pingos.org pgpP8W1u2LzRJ.pgp Description: signature
Re: KDE 3.2.2 for woody?
Noèl Köthe wrote: Am Fr, den 16.04.2004 schrieb Ian Eure um 22:17: Does anyone have a source for this? 3.2.0 is the latest I've been able to find. afaik: 3.2.2 will be released tomorrow and on the kde.org server woody binary packages will be available, too. It's out now - but it comes with XFree 4.3 packages. Anyone know why?
Re: KDE 3.2.2 for woody?
afaik: 3.2.2 will be released tomorrow and on the kde.org server woody binary packages will be available, too. It's out now - but it comes with XFree 4.3 packages. Anyone know why? I'm wondering, too. This doesn't look very professional, I have already seen one first comment of a guy who has a broken installation now. - michael
KDE 3.2.2 for Woody... Careful upgrading..
Hmm.. THis was the worst KDE upgrade in a long while.. Had to delete 1/2 of KDE to get the upgrade to work, from KDE 3.2.0 to 3.2.2 Korganizer ate my calendar.. (Backup your .ics, actually my fault, anyone upgrading should always backup their .kde directory, JUST IN CASE, however it still should not have ate it.) OpenOffice no longer wants to install Sorry, but the following packages have unmet dependencies: openoffice.org1.1-bin: Depends: libfreetype6 ( 2.1.0) but 2.1.5-1woody2 is to be installed kdeaddons won't install... Not sure why.. (Actually, NOW it does, but only after installing kdeaddons-kfile-plugins, not sure why that didn't automagically work) Fonts all changed.. (maybe new defaults, and didn't keep the old settings.) Aspell no longer likes it.. I think I backed up a version? komba2 is now gone..(That I understand, I guess) Lost 'psi' as it needs libqt3-mt, but that will remove everything.. as we now use libqt3c102-mt (Strange the naming for qt3-dev-tools stayed the same) Something replaces kdepim-libs.. I had to remove that one, it got jammed up as well.. apt-get install aspell Reading Package Lists... Done Building Dependency Tree... Done Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable distribution that some required packages have not yet been created or been moved out of Incoming. SIC, did this on kdeaddons as well Since you only requested a single operation it is extremely likely that the package is simply not installable and a bug report against that package should be filed. The following information may help to resolve the situation: Sorry, but the following packages have unmet dependencies: aspell: Depends: aspell-bin but it is not going to be installed E: Sorry, broken packages mistress:/home/michael# apt-get install aspell-bin Reading Package Lists... Done Building Dependency Tree... Done The following extra packages will be installed: libaspell15 The following packages will be REMOVED: libaspell10 libpspell4 The following NEW packages will be installed: aspell-bin libaspell15 0 packages upgraded, 2 newly installed, 2 to remove and 0 not upgraded. Need to get 398kB of archives. After unpacking 926kB will be freed. Do you want to continue? [Y/n] y Get:1 http://download.kde.org stable/main libaspell15 0.50.3-9woody10 [321kB] Get:2 http://download.kde.org stable/main aspell-bin 0.50.3-9woody10 [76.5kB] Fetched 398kB in 6s (59.4kB/s) (Reading database ... 33561 files and directories currently installed.) Removing libaspell10 ... Removing libpspell4 ... Selecting previously deselected package libaspell15. (Reading database ... 33488 files and directories currently installed.) Unpacking libaspell15 (from .../libaspell15_0.50.3-9woody10_i386.deb) ... Selecting previously deselected package aspell-bin. Unpacking aspell-bin (from .../aspell-bin_0.50.3-9woody10_i386.deb) ... Setting up libaspell15 (0.50.3-9woody10) ... Setting up aspell-bin (0.50.3-9woody10) ... -- Catch the Magic of Linux... Michael Peddemors - Senior Systems Developer LinuxAdministration - Internet Services NetworkServices - Programming - Security Wizard IT Services http://www.wizard.ca Linux Support Specialist - http://www.linuxmagic.com LinuxMagic is a Registered TradeMark of Wizard Tower TechnoServices Ltd. (604)589-0037 Beautiful British Columbia, Canada This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. Please note that any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of the company.
Re: KDE 3.2.2 for woody?
Am Fr, den 16.04.2004 schrieb Ian Eure um 22:17: Does anyone have a source for this? 3.2.0 is the latest I've been able to find. afaik: 3.2.2 will be released tomorrow and on the kde.org server woody binary packages will be available, too. -- Nol Kthe noel debian.org Debian GNU/Linux, www.debian.org signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil
KDE 3.2.2 for woody?
Does anyone have a source for this? 3.2.0 is the latest I've been able to find.
