Re: Panel woes and other peculiarities
On 2009-04-10, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: > The current behavior is a regression from KDE 3. In KDE 3, I could have a= >=20 Please take this upstream. We aren' going to fix it in debian. /Sune -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-kde-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Panel woes and other peculiarities
In , Sune Vuorela wrote: >On 2009-04-09, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: >> Regarding the system tray: Yeah, I'm pretty sure that's an upstream bug >> (I= =20 >> had a few people confirm it a couple of week ago on one of the KDE lists). >> = =20 >> The system tray seems to want to take all the extra space on the panel, >> unl= ess=20 >> it is on a panel with the Task Manager (or possibly another expanding >> widge= t. =20 >> I haven't gotten around to filing a bug, and just worked around it >> locally. > >All widgets in panel that don't naturally have a fixed size (kmenu, >device notifier, ...) expands as much as possible. Yeah, that's not appropriate for the system tray. While the system tray does not have a *fixed* size, it does have a *natural* size based on the number of icons currently in it. It also doesn't *use* any of that extra space; the tray icons are not resized or rearranged when it grows; they remain tightly packed against the left/top. If it would usefully use the extra space, expanding would make sense, but it doesn't. The current behavior is a regression from KDE 3. In KDE 3, I could have a panel that resized as needed to be exactly the size required by a few quick- launch icons and any system tray icons I might have. It would grow if either I manually added a new quick launch icon or if a program created a system tray icon; It would shrink if system try icons were closed or if I manually removed a quick launch icon In KDE 4, the panel doesn't shrink or grow properly if it contains only Icon widgets and the System Tray widget. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. b...@iguanasuicide.net ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.net/\_/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: Panel woes and other peculiarities
On 2009-04-09, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: > Regarding the system tray: Yeah, I'm pretty sure that's an upstream bug (I= >=20 > had a few people confirm it a couple of week ago on one of the KDE lists). = >=20 > The system tray seems to want to take all the extra space on the panel, unl= > ess=20 > it is on a panel with the Task Manager (or possibly another expanding widge= > t. =20 > I haven't gotten around to filing a bug, and just worked around it locally. All widgets in panel that don't naturally have a fixed size (kmenu, device notifier, ...) expands as much as possible. If someone creates and want to maintain a nice and high quality package, this might help: http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php/Panel+Spacer?content=89304 (maybe start from the pacagke in ubuntu) /Sune Remember: Debian-KDE bugday 19th april -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-kde-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Panel woes and other peculiarities
In <200904100218.56104.mich...@schuerig.de>, Michael Schuerig wrote: >On Friday 10 April 2009, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: >> In <200904100017.17828.mich...@schuerig.de>, Michael Schuerig wrote: >> >- Where do the panels get their colors from? >> IIRC, your desktop theme. Right click an empty spot on your desktop, >> choose Appearance, it should be on the first tab as a drop-down with >> previews. >Yes, I've noticed that, but I haven't seen a setting for the panel >color. Anyway, that's a minor thing. Ah, yes. I think that's still to-be-implemented, if at all. From what I understand, to change the color of the panel you (currently) have to create a different theme based on an existing theme. The bluishness you got after plasma crashed was probably due to the panel compositing itself on top of the default background for the theme. >> >- I can't bind Win-Shift-+ (aka Win-* on a german keyboard) to >> > Maximize Vertically. >> Where are you trying to do this and what error (or incorrect >> behavior) are you getting? >In the Keyboard & Mouse System Settings, Global Keyboard Shortcuts for >KWin, there the action Maximize Window. When I press Win-Shift-+ for a >custom setting, it makes Meta-* out of it. That's just fine, but it has >no effect. Yes, I'm seeing the same thing here with Win+Shift+=, which is turned into Meta++. (en_US keyboard layout here.) As you said, I'm fine with the "rephrasing", but the shortcut just doesn't work. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. b...@iguanasuicide.net ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.net/\_/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: Panel woes and other peculiarities
On Friday 10 April 2009, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: > In <200904100017.17828.mich...@schuerig.de>, Michael Schuerig wrote: > >- I don't seem to be able to move widgets around, even though the > > panel is unlocked. On the left, there's the KMenu and plugged-in > > devices. On the far right I've managed to add a few application > > buttons, logout/lock, and trash. Over most of the space in the > > middle, the system tray stretches out. > > I've only had luck moving widgets when the panel settings are > displayed. At point you can click a widget once to "grab" it, then > move your pointer to where you want it and click to "drop" it. Ah, yes, thanks, that works. > Regarding the system tray: Yeah, I'm pretty sure that's an upstream > bug (I had a few people confirm it a couple of week ago on one of the > KDE lists). The system tray seems to want to take all the extra space > on the panel, unless it is on a panel with the Task Manager (or > possibly another expanding widget. I haven't gotten around to filing > a bug, and just worked around it locally. I think it's an issue with the layout management. Apparently, panel widgets are packed tightly, at least I can't position them arbitrarily. Then, the stretchable widgets, such as the system tray and the digital clock take up all the place there is. > >- Where do the panels get their colors from? > > IIRC, your desktop theme. Right click an empty spot on your desktop, > choose Appearance, it should be on the first tab as a drop-down with > previews. Yes, I've noticed that, but I haven't seen a setting for the panel color. Anyway, that's a minor thing. > >- Is the digital clock really so dumb as to display the date in a > > second column instead of underneath the time? > > I'm seeing the date underneath the time here. Me too, after adjusting the panel height. Bummer. > >- I can't bind Win-Shift-+ (aka Win-* on a german keyboard) to > > Maximize Vertically. > > Where are you trying to do this and what error (or incorrect > behavior) are you getting? In the Keyboard & Mouse System Settings, Global Keyboard Shortcuts for KWin, there the action Maximize Window. When I press Win-Shift-+ for a custom setting, it makes Meta-* out of it. That's just fine, but it has no effect. Michael -- Michael Schuerig mailto:mich...@schuerig.de http://www.schuerig.de/michael/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-kde-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Panel woes and other peculiarities
In <200904100017.17828.mich...@schuerig.de>, Michael Schuerig wrote: >- I don't seem to be able to move widgets around, even though the panel >is unlocked. On the left, there's the KMenu and plugged-in devices. On >the far right I've managed to add a few application buttons, >logout/lock, and trash. Over most of the space in the middle, the system >tray stretches out. I've only had luck moving widgets when the panel settings are displayed. At point you can click a widget once to "grab" it, then move your pointer to where you want it and click to "drop" it. Regarding the system tray: Yeah, I'm pretty sure that's an upstream bug (I had a few people confirm it a couple of week ago on one of the KDE lists). The system tray seems to want to take all the extra space on the panel, unless it is on a panel with the Task Manager (or possibly another expanding widget. I haven't gotten around to filing a bug, and just worked around it locally. >- Where do the panels get their colors from? IIRC, your desktop theme. Right click an empty spot on your desktop, choose Appearance, it should be on the first tab as a drop-down with previews. >- Is the digital clock really so dumb as to display the date in a second >column instead of underneath the time? I'm seeing the date underneath the time here. >- I can't bind Win-Shift-+ (aka Win-* on a german keyboard) to Maximize >Vertically. Where are you trying to do this and what error (or incorrect behavior) are you getting? >- Akregator crashes when started with my original archive, and does so, >too, after only importing the feeds.opml. I'll try to partition the >feeds into smaller chunks. ~500 might be too much. No problems here, but I only have a few dozen feeds. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. b...@iguanasuicide.net ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.net/\_/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Panel woes and other peculiarities
I made the switch to KDE 4 today, and over all it went rather well. Most of the annoyances are related to the panel. I may have been living under a rock not to know about this stuff, but here it goes: - I don't seem to be able to move widgets around, even though the panel is unlocked. On the left, there's the KMenu and plugged-in devices. On the far right I've managed to add a few application buttons, logout/lock, and trash. Over most of the space in the middle, the system tray stretches out. - Where do the panels get their colors from? I didn't react to changes in the Appearance > Colors settings and stayed glossy black. When the panel crashed later, it reappeared in marine blue. - Is the digital clock really so dumb as to display the date in a second column instead of underneath the time? Other oddities I noticed: - Resizing Konsole windows lags by several seconds. This doesn't happen for other apps. - I can't bind Win-Shift-+ (aka Win-* on a german keyboard) to Maximize Vertically. - Akregator crashes when started with my original archive, and does so, too, after only importing the feeds.opml. I'll try to partition the feeds into smaller chunks. ~500 might be too much. Michael -- Michael Schuerig mailto:mich...@schuerig.de http://www.schuerig.de/michael/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-kde-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
