Re: No sound with new kernel on old PowerBook G4

[Vincent Lefevre]

Hi,

On 2006-09-29 12:41:17 +0300, Emmanuel Galatoulas wrote:
> Vincent Lefevre wrote:
> >Now, after using alsa-utils, "-d esd" no longer works with the
> >2.6.17 kernel. But it still works with the old 2.6.12 kernel I
> >had compiled myself.

> I have exactly the same problem (even with the latest 2.6.18 kernel)!
> have you found any remedy for this???

Rerunning alsaconf solved my problem. You can look at:

  http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=381658

(which also says that alsaconf is now useless).

So, now "-d oss" is working very well. "-d esd" is working, but I
may need to launch the command twice if it fails the first time (the
auto_spawn option seems to be buggy: the command fails before the
ESD daemon could be spawn). ALSA (without OSS emulation) still
doesn't work, and I don't know why.

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pbbuttons with sysfs backlight support

[Matthias Grimm]

Hi,

I did it or better I *believe* I did it :-)

The code of the upcoming release is in CVS. It has got a class
backlight with several low level drivers (two at the moment: sysfs and
pmu). The driver which suits best will be auto-detected.

Because the SysFS interface supports much more brightness steps I had
to redefine parts of the client API. Especially the brightness messages
and the fading mechanism. You need to update following options in your
configuration file: LCD_Brightness, LCD_Fadingspeed, KBD_Brightness and
KBD_Fadingspeed. Please see the man page pbbuttonsd.conf.5 for details.

The brightness message sent to clients uses percentage now and the
fading speed will be given as device independent time value (see man
page for details). This assures that the behaviour of pbbuttonsd is
always the same, whatever backlight driver is used. Unfortunately this
will confuse most of the clients including gtkpbbuttons. A patched
version of gtkpbbuttons is in the repository too.

Please try the CVS version and tell me any issues you find. Also
positive feedback is welcome.

If you are unfamiliar with CVS but nevertheless want to test the
release candidate, please see on
 http://sourceforge.net/cvs/?group_id=47862

You will find a detailed information how to get the source.

After the source is on your hard disk, run the autogen.sh script in the
main directory. After that 'make' and 'make install' should do the job.

  Best Regards
Matthias

PS: If anybody has problems with CVS please tell me. I will send you a
preliminary package for test.


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Re: xkb-data with support for Mac keyboards into unstable

[Denis Barbier]

On Fri, Sep 29, 2006 at 05:02:33PM +0200, Helge Kreutzmann wrote:
[...]
> Denis: Do you by chance know, who works on the PowerPC installation
> manual?

In debian-installer, one selects a *console* layout; only a subset
of keymaps from console-data are included because of space constraints.
There is code in xserver-xorg.config to transform the selected console
keymap into XKB settings.
How are these settings selected?  Some users performed tests for their
hardware, gave their selected console keymap and their desired XKB
settings, so that xserver-xorg.config can be updated.
We are now very late in the release cycle, I am not sure if this can
be fixed, but if you want to try, please hurry up.

To me, those XKB settings do not belong to installation manual, but I
will be glad to add a README for Mac users into xkb-data if someone
can write detailed instructions.

> I could see that I get documentation for this setting into it.
> And if it helps calm things down, we could "mac"e the apple-layout the
> default.

In another thread, Wolfgang asked days ago what is the plan for the
future.  As explained above, testing keymaps of debian-installer
would help fixing current bugs.

On the XKB front, upstream wants to have a new release in few weeks.
Powerpc fixes have already been incorporated, but there is still one
major issue we would like to fix, which is to merge all Macintosh
layouts into symbols/* files.  For instance, Macintosh French layout
would become the "mac" variant of symbols/fr.  This way, one could
more easily select a Mac layout on a PC keyboard, or vice versa.
I will work on this issue this weekend.
There is one problem though, a "mac" variant has already been
included into symbols/de.  So someone has to review differences
between symbols/de(mac) and symbols/macintosh_vndr/de, and explain
which layout should be kept, or keep both layouts and provide an
alternative name for the 2nd one.

Denis


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Re: Euro sign [was: Re: xkb-data with support for Mac keyboards into unstable]

[Wolfgang Pfeiffer]

Hi Helge

On Fri, Sep 29, 2006 at 08:36:26PM +0200, Helge Kreutzmann wrote:
> Hello Wolfgang,
> On Fri, Sep 29, 2006 at 05:09:04PM +0200, Wolfgang Pfeiffer wrote:

 [ ... ]

> First I'd like to know if you can see it in an xterm. 

I can see the Euro sign in an xterm command prompt. 

But not in mutt if I run it in an xterm. If mutt is in KDE's konsole
(1.6.4) I can see the € (Euro) sign .. So for me it looks like an
xterm issue ... :) IIRC this is an old issue for mutt here ... Never
had the time to explore that ... But I've other font issues with mutt
as well .. :)

> I can perfectly fine see it in openoffice or gvim, but not in xterm
> or vim. It works in uxterm, though :-)). If it works in your xterm,
> can you post the results of appres XTerm | grep font

+

$ appres XTerm | grep font
*emacs21*menu*font: 
-adobe-helvetica-medium-r-normal-*-*-120-*-*-p-*-iso8859-1
*emacs21*font:  9x15
*fontMenu*fontsel*Label:Selection
*fontMenu*font1*Label:  Unreadable
*fontMenu*font4*Label:  Medium
*fontMenu*render-font*Label:TrueType Fonts
*fontMenu*font5*Label:  Large
*fontMenu*font-linedrawing*Label:   Line-Drawing Characters
*fontMenu*utf8-mode*Label:  UTF-8
*fontMenu*font6*Label:  Huge
*fontMenu*font2*Label:  Tiny
*fontMenu*font-doublesize*Label:Doublesized Characters
*fontMenu*utf8-title*Label: UTF-8 Titles
*fontMenu*fontescape*Label: Escape Sequence
*fontMenu*fontdefault*Label:Default
*fontMenu*font3*Label:  Small
*fontMenu*font-loadable*Label:  VT220 Soft Fonts
*fontMenu*backgroundPixmap: 
gradient:vertical?dimension=220&start=gray90&end=gray60
*fontMenu*foreground:   gray15
*fontMenu.Label:VT Fonts
*fontMenu*background:   AntiqueWhite
*tek4014*fontLarge: 9x15
*tek4014*font2: 8x13
*tek4014*font3: 6x13
*tek4014*fontSmall: 6x10
*SimpleMenu*menuLabel.font: 
-adobe-helvetica-bold-r-normal--*-120-*-*-*-*-iso8859-*
*emacs*menu*font:   
-adobe-helvetica-medium-r-normal-*-*-120-*-*-p-*-iso8859-1
*emacs*font:9x15
*VT100.utf8Fonts.font4: 
-misc-fixed-medium-r-normal--13-120-75-75-c-80-iso10646-1
*VT100.utf8Fonts.font2: -misc-fixed-medium-r-normal--8-80-75-75-c-50-iso10646-1
*VT100.utf8Fonts.font6: 
-misc-fixed-medium-r-normal--20-200-75-75-c-100-iso10646-1
*VT100.utf8Fonts.font5: 
-misc-fixed-medium-r-normal--18-120-100-100-c-90-iso10646-1
*VT100.utf8Fonts.font3: 
-misc-fixed-medium-r-normal--14-130-75-75-c-70-iso10646-1
*VT100.utf8Fonts.font:  
-misc-fixed-medium-r-semicondensed--13-120-75-75-c-60-iso10646-1
*VT100.font1:   nil2
*VT100.font2:   5x7
*VT100.font3:   6x10
*VT100.font4:   7x13
*VT100.font5:   9x15
*VT100.font6:   10x20
XTerm*font: -misc-fixed-medium-r-*-*-*-120-*-*-*-*-iso8859-15
*font:  -misc-fixed-medium-r-*-*-*-120-*-*-*-*-iso8859-15
$ 

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> 
> > On console, /etc/console-tools/config is responsible for the settings,
> > correct?:
> > 
> > Excerpt from /etc/console-tools/config
> > 
> > # Turn on numlock by default
> > #LEDS=+num
> > SCREEN_FONT=lat9w-16
> > SCREEN_FONT_vc2=lat9w-16
> > SCREEN_FONT_vc3=lat9w-16
> > SCREEN_FONT_vc4=lat9w-16
> > SCREEN_FONT_vc5=lat9w-16
> > SCREEN_FONT_vc6=lat9w-16
> 
> Thanks. I just wonder when the maintainers of console-tools fix
> #299798 so others don't have to search the mailing lists for this.

Strong stuff: #299798 is from March 2005 ... :/

> 
> With this change, I now have a euro in the console as well.

Great ... :)

  [ .. ]

> > My boottime.kmap.gz:
> > www.wolfgangpfeiffer.com/boottime.kmap.gz
> 
> My keymap per se works, except I'd have to add » and « at some stage,

On console I don't have « », too .. Or at least I didn't find these
chars there ..

> but on the laptop I don't need them this often.
> 
> > Please let me know if you need to know more 
> 
> Except for my xterm question above, I'm happy. You've helped a lot. Thanks.

Welcome .. :) I didn't find the solution myself, IIRC .. :) .. :

http://lists.debian.org/debian-powerpc/2005/05/msg00204.html

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Re: Bug#389873: grub2: FTBFS (ppc64): util/console.c:275: undefined reference to `stdscr'

[Sven Luther]

On Thu, Sep 28, 2006 at 10:43:09AM -0300, Otavio Salvador wrote:
> [ Added debian-powerpc@lists.debian.org at Cc header ]
> 
> Andreas Jochens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
> 
> > When building 'grub2' on ppc64/unstable, I get the following error:
> >
> > util/console.c:89: undefined reference to `stdscr'
> <...>
> > This occurs because util/console.c is compiled with the '-m32' switch
> > and the linker does not find a corresponding 32-bit-powerpc libncurses 
> > library on ppc64.
> 
> IIRC, bootloading on ppc64 needs to be done at 32bits space. 
> 
> Can someone confirm it?

Yes, as with yaboot, powerpc bootloaders need to be compiled in 32bit.

Andreas, you need to reverse the libarch thingy, and build the needed
libraries in 32bit mode and provide lib32 or whatever pakcages for those apps
needing 32bit.

Friendly,

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Re: xkb-data with support for Mac keyboards into unstable

[Helge Kreutzmann]

Hello Wolfgang,
On Fri, Sep 29, 2006 at 06:10:08PM +0200, Wolfgang Pfeiffer wrote:
> Interesting:
> Here, on a PowerBook5,8, it's vice versa:
> Without 'badmap', <> and ^° are swapped, with badmap they are where
> the keys engravement shows they should be.

I think this is the "random" element Denis talked about.

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Re: Euro sign [was: Re: xkb-data with support for Mac keyboards into unstable]

[Helge Kreutzmann]

Hello Wolfgang,
On Fri, Sep 29, 2006 at 05:09:04PM +0200, Wolfgang Pfeiffer wrote:
> I removed the "In-Reply-To:" header, to get a new thread ... I hope you
> don't mind ... :)

No, that is perfectly fine, in fact, I've should it done as well.
Could you also remove the CC: to my address please as well, I am
subscribed. 

> On X (that is KDE/KDM), according to the KDE control-center, 
> 
>  General: Arial 9 (numbers here and following mean "size")
>  Fixed width: Monospace 9
>  Toolbar: Arial 9
>  Menu:Arial 9
>  Window Title:Sans Serif 9   
>  Taskbar: Arial 9
>  Desktop: Arial 9
> 
> Please let me know if you need more details (Font packages installed,
> etc ..)

First I'd like to know if you can see it in an xterm. I can perfectly
fine see it in openoffice or gvim, but not in xterm or vim. It works
in uxterm, though :-)). If it works in your xterm, can you post the
results of 
appres XTerm | grep font

> On console, /etc/console-tools/config is responsible for the settings,
> correct?:
> 
> Excerpt from /etc/console-tools/config
> 
> # Turn on numlock by default
> #LEDS=+num
> SCREEN_FONT=lat9w-16
> SCREEN_FONT_vc2=lat9w-16
> SCREEN_FONT_vc3=lat9w-16
> SCREEN_FONT_vc4=lat9w-16
> SCREEN_FONT_vc5=lat9w-16
> SCREEN_FONT_vc6=lat9w-16

Thanks. I just wonder when the maintainers of console-tools fix
#299798 so others don't have to search the mailing lists for this.

With this change, I now have a euro in the console as well.

> [notes like above simply help me forget man pages, once I found how some
>  tool works ... :) ]

I know, you should see my notes :-))

> My boottime.kmap.gz:
> www.wolfgangpfeiffer.com/boottime.kmap.gz

My keymap per se works, except I'd have to add » and « at some stage,
but on the laptop I don't need them this often.

> Please let me know if you need to know more 

Except for my xterm question above, I'm happy. You've helped a lot. Thanks.

Greetings

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Re: xkb-data with support for Mac keyboards into unstable

[Wolfgang Pfeiffer]

Hi Helge

On Fri, Sep 29, 2006 at 05:50:48PM +0200, Helge Kreutzmann wrote:
> Hello,
> On Fri, Sep 29, 2006 at 05:43:04PM +0200, Wolfgang Pfeiffer wrote:
> > On Fri, Sep 29, 2006 at 05:02:33PM +0200, Helge Kreutzmann wrote:
> > > On Fri, Sep 29, 2006 at 01:53:13AM +0200, Wolfgang Pfeiffer wrote:
> > > > This helps:
> > > > setxkbmap -option -rules xorg -model pc105 -layout de -option 
> > > > apple:badmap -option lv3:lwin_switch -print | xkbcomp - :0
> 
> I type:
> setxkbmap -option -rules xorg -model pc105 -layout de -option lv3:lwin_switch 
> -print | xkbcomp - :0
> 
> > Does this mean, with the badmap option your keyboard doesn't do what
> > you want? 
> 
> Yes, *with* badmap, <> and ^° are switche, without (as shown above)
> *all* keys I normally use (e.g. not that secret num key) are just as
> they are supposed to.
> 
> > As to "without the badmap option": With that setting, do you have a
> > nice pc105 layout, without the <> (right side of  and ^° (above
> > ) keys being swapped?
> 
> Yes.

Interesting:
Here, on a PowerBook5,8, it's vice versa:
Without 'badmap', <> and ^° are swapped, with badmap they are where
the keys engravement shows they should be.

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Re: Euro sign [was: Re: xkb-data with support for Mac keyboards into unstable]

[Wolfgang Pfeiffer]

On Fri, Sep 29, 2006 at 05:09:04PM +0200, Wolfgang Pfeiffer wrote:
> 
> On X (that is KDE/KDM), according to the KDE control-center, 
> 
>  General: Arial 9 (numbers here and following mean "size")
 ^^^   
should say:
 
"(numbers here and following mean "size", IINM)"


>  Fixed width: Monospace 9
>  Toolbar: Arial 9
>  Menu:Arial 9
>  Window Title:Sans Serif 9   
>  Taskbar: Arial 9
>  Desktop: Arial 9


[ ... ]
> 
> I just looked at my notes concerning consolechars: They say (and sorry
> if you know 'consolechars' already .. ):
> 
> 
> 
> consolechars --tty=/dev/tty3 -vf lat9w-16
> ---
> 
> consolechars --no-act --tty=/dev/tty3 -vf lat9w-10
> ---
> 
> consolechars --default-font
> 
> -- 
> 
> 
> [notes like above simply help me forget man pages, 

Not quite right: But they help me glance faster over man pages ... :) 

> once I found how some tool works ... :) ]

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Re: xkb-data with support for Mac keyboards into unstable

[Helge Kreutzmann]

Hello,
On Fri, Sep 29, 2006 at 05:43:04PM +0200, Wolfgang Pfeiffer wrote:
> On Fri, Sep 29, 2006 at 05:02:33PM +0200, Helge Kreutzmann wrote:
> > On Fri, Sep 29, 2006 at 01:53:13AM +0200, Wolfgang Pfeiffer wrote:
> > > This helps:
> > > setxkbmap -option -rules xorg -model pc105 -layout de -option 
> > > apple:badmap -option lv3:lwin_switch -print | xkbcomp - :0

I type:
setxkbmap -option -rules xorg -model pc105 -layout de -option lv3:lwin_switch 
-print | xkbcomp - :0

> Does this mean, with the badmap option your keyboard doesn't do what
> you want? 

Yes, *with* badmap, <> and ^° are switche, without (as shown above)
*all* keys I normally use (e.g. not that secret num key) are just as
they are supposed to.

> As to "without the badmap option": With that setting, do you have a
> nice pc105 layout, without the <> (right side of  and ^° (above
> ) keys being swapped?

Yes.

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Re: xkb-data with support for Mac keyboards into unstable

[Wolfgang Pfeiffer]

On Fri, Sep 29, 2006 at 05:02:33PM +0200, Helge Kreutzmann wrote:
> Hello,
> On Fri, Sep 29, 2006 at 01:53:13AM +0200, Wolfgang Pfeiffer wrote:
> > This helps:
> > setxkbmap -option -rules xorg -model pc105 -layout de -option apple:badmap 
> > -option lv3:lwin_switch -print | xkbcomp - :0
> > 
> > which maps keycode 115, the left Apple key, to ISO_Level3_Shift: 
> > 
> > And I have  @ | { [ ] } « »
> 
> On my ibook, without the badmap-option, it works like a charm as
> well.

Does this mean, with the badmap option your keyboard doesn't do what
you want? 

As to "without the badmap option": With that setting, do you have a
nice pc105 layout, without the <> (right side of  and ^° (above
) keys being swapped?

Best Regards
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Euro sign [was: Re: xkb-data with support for Mac keyboards into unstable]

[Wolfgang Pfeiffer]

Hi Helge

I removed the "In-Reply-To:" header, to get a new thread ... I hope you
don't mind ... :)

On Fri, Sep 29, 2006 at 03:57:55PM +0200, Helge Kreutzmann wrote:
> Hello,
> On Mon, Sep 25, 2006 at 12:20:23AM +0200, Wolfgang Pfeiffer wrote:
> > $ setxkbmap -option  -option apple:badmap -rules xorg -model powerbook 
> > -layout de -variant nodeadkeys  -print | xkbcomp - :0
> > 
> > does solve this issue  Thanks .. :)
> 
> OT: Do you see a Euro-sign in X/on the console for Apple-E? 

Yes, both on console and X, on both places via -E

> And if so,
> what kind of font do you use?

On X (that is KDE/KDM), according to the KDE control-center, 

 General:   Arial 9 (numbers here and following mean "size")
 Fixed width:   Monospace 9
 Toolbar:   Arial 9
 Menu:  Arial 9
 Window Title:  Sans Serif 9   
 Taskbar:   Arial 9
 Desktop:   Arial 9

Please let me know if you need more details (Font packages installed,
etc ..)


On console, /etc/console-tools/config is responsible for the settings,
correct?:

Excerpt from /etc/console-tools/config

# Turn on numlock by default
#LEDS=+num
SCREEN_FONT=lat9w-16
SCREEN_FONT_vc2=lat9w-16
SCREEN_FONT_vc3=lat9w-16
SCREEN_FONT_vc4=lat9w-16
SCREEN_FONT_vc5=lat9w-16
SCREEN_FONT_vc6=lat9w-16


I just looked at my notes concerning consolechars: They say (and sorry
if you know 'consolechars' already .. ):



consolechars --tty=/dev/tty3 -vf lat9w-16
---

consolechars --no-act --tty=/dev/tty3 -vf lat9w-10
---

consolechars --default-font

-- 


[notes like above simply help me forget man pages, once I found how some
 tool works ... :) ]


I doubt the following will help, but who knows:
On console:

$ dumpkeys -i
keycode range supported by kernel:   1 - 255
max number of actions bindable to a key: 256
number of keymaps in actual use: 14
of which 7 dynamically allocated
ranges of action codes supported by kernel:
number of function keys supported by kernel: 256
max nr of compose definitions: 256
nr of compose definitions in actual use: 68


If we're already at it: I just realized that even on console the <>
key (right hand side of ) and ^° (above TAB) are swapped
... Same on your console?

My boottime.kmap.gz:
www.wolfgangpfeiffer.com/boottime.kmap.gz

PowerBook5,8 here.

Please let me know if you need to know more 

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Re: xkb-data with support for Mac keyboards into unstable

[Helge Kreutzmann]

Hello,
On Mon, Sep 25, 2006 at 11:38:44AM +0200, Yves-Alexis Perez wrote:
> I don't really know if it's a xkb or a kernel problem, but here the
> numeric keypad don't really work. I guess on osx Fn+u gives a 4, but it
> doesn't here. If i numlock using Fn+F6, the led under F6 lights, but the
> numeric keypad isn't activated.

with -13, pressing Fn-j I get a "1", Fn-k "2" and so on, when pressing
Fn-F6 (Num.), j gives me a "1" directly (same for the others). Since
I've never used it on my ibook G4 before, I don't know if that is the
supposed behaviour, but it seems sensible.

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Re: xkb-data with support for Mac keyboards into unstable

[Helge Kreutzmann]

Hello,
On Fri, Sep 29, 2006 at 01:53:13AM +0200, Wolfgang Pfeiffer wrote:
> This helps:
> setxkbmap -option -rules xorg -model pc105 -layout de -option apple:badmap 
> -option lv3:lwin_switch -print | xkbcomp - :0
> 
> which maps keycode 115, the left Apple key, to ISO_Level3_Shift: 
> 
> And I have  @ | { [ ] } « »

On my ibook, without the badmap-option, it works like a charm as well.
And it also hase the »« mapping on Apple-Y and Apple-X. So I think
your question is answered if that should be the default, but maybe
there is something different in MacOSX there?

Denis: Do you by chance know, who works on the PowerPC installation
manual? I could see that I get documentation for this setting into it.
And if it helps calm things down, we could "mac"e the apple-layout the
default.

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Re: xkb-data with support for Mac keyboards into unstable

[Helge Kreutzmann]

Hello,
On Thu, Sep 28, 2006 at 10:46:49PM +0200, Wolfgang Pfeiffer wrote:
> > Which problems do you have, when you load the pc105 layout? Aren't it work?
> 
> Exactly. Currently I've loaded xkb-data 0.8-14, and with that version
> as with the previous one I basically can use only 2 models:
> "powerbook" or "pc105": pc105 seems broken. With 'powerbook' at least
> I find the keys I need.

I've tried it with -13 on my ibook G4 and it is broken as well. If
that would help, I can provide a list of broken keycodes, but the
entire third level seems goofed or gone.

> So I'm editing symbols/macintosh_vndr/de currently ... I will surely
> have what I want :) ..

Could you post your final results and check with Denis if they can be
included in the official deb?

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Re: xkb-data with support for Mac keyboards into unstable

[Helge Kreutzmann]

Hello,
On Fri, Sep 29, 2006 at 04:07:05PM +0200, Helge Kreutzmann wrote:
> Strange, in vim I get a `, while on the console I now get a ,

Scratch that: it's working in -13 should fine, I was accidentially
typing Apple-'.

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Re: xkb-data with support for Mac keyboards into unstable

[Helge Kreutzmann]

Hello Olaf,
On Wed, Sep 27, 2006 at 09:47:27PM +0200, Olaf Hering wrote:
> macintosh means and does MacOS mapping. I made it that way back in 2000.
> Dont change it.
> If you want a PC map, use a PC map. 

Well, first thanks for creating a keyboard map. But judging by my
experience and also what I've read on the list and several web pages
for ibooks/powerbooks, the mapping was broken for almost everyone. So
I don't think it would be wrong to not only fix it, but also use the
chance to find out the default mapping most for the most people. IMHO
there should be no "Don't" pre-supposed. 

And to be honest, I don't care what the name of the mapping is. I *do*
care that it works by default or after a simple change clearly spelt
out in the (installation) documentation, like.

Keyboard:
For  the default keyboard is set up like
under , if you like the setup to resemble the
one used on other architectures, e.g. x86 or alpha then . 

In this thread I've only seen vague indications of what I should do,
but no clear indication which map in which variant produces the same
result as Denis good work modulo the third level mapping for 7-0.

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Re: xkb-data with support for Mac keyboards into unstable

[Helge Kreutzmann]

Hello Jörg,
On Thu, Sep 28, 2006 at 09:25:44AM +0200, Michel Dänzer wrote:
> You're missing the point. The macintosh layouts should match what's
> physically engraved on the keys of an Apple keyboard as much as
> possible. Same for the pc layouts vs. PC keyboards. You should
> appreciate the possibility of choosing between these instead of trying
> to impose one onto the other.

Exactly my point. Except, there is almost nothing engraved for the
third level. I only see the Euro sign (Apple-E) and the At-Sign
(Apple-L). So there is *no* preference hardware wise. I don't think
there should be any on the software side. Since obviously a choice has
to be made, the switching should be clearly spelled out in the
documentation.

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Re: xkb-data with support for Mac keyboards into unstable

[Helge Kreutzmann]

Hello Wolfang,
On Wed, Sep 27, 2006 at 09:13:51PM +0200, Wolfgang Pfeiffer wrote:
> "Problem" so far: I'm happy with what I have with the latest xkb-data
> here .. :)

Mee too. The brackets are about the only thing left, and I've hadn't
have a chance to try Denis latest patch yet.

> I always get either a wonderful, fully fledged PC style keyboard, but
> I never managed to get a, for me rather useless, Macintosh style
> keyboard, with a Kp_Enter key and so on ..

:-))

> > It's a Apple keyboard. Don't use it, if you don't like it.
> 
> With logics like this I could say: This is Linux. Go get OSX if you
> want an Apple keyboard.

Especially since apple decided *not* to engrave this uncommon use.

> Colin: Is there anything already decided in how the future keyboard
> layouts on xkb-data, for Apple machines, will look like: PC-style, or
> Apple style, or options for both of them?

That would be ideal. Then the installation guide to simply have a
paragraph telling users how to switch.

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Re: xkb-data with support for Mac keyboards into unstable

[Helge Kreutzmann]

Hello Jörg,
On Mon, Sep 25, 2006 at 11:15:43AM +, Jörg Sommer wrote:
> Helge Kreutzmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > So the following still needs to be done for a german ibook keyboard:
> >
> > 1. When pressing the key between ß? and backspace, I still get
> >nothing, while I expect ' as printed on the key. With the shift
> >modifier it works. This is keycode 21.
> 
> It's a dead key. Press a 'e' after it and you get é. The ' is definitive
> the wrong character!

I set XkbVariant to nodeadkeys, hence I do not expect (read: want)
this composing. And, for some reason, I actually get , now, so this
possibility is definitly gone.

> > 2. The AltGr-Bracket sequence is still "wrong", i.e. I would like the
> >PC style version,
> 
> Then configure a PC style keyboard. Use pc105 instead of macintosh.

Could you be so kind to tell me exactly what I should try? There are
so many possibilities now, I'd rather try the right one. (Especially
since a PC style is still slightly different then the ibook one).

> It's a Apple keyboard. Don't use it, if you don't like it.

Pardon? I mean, I could unlock it from my ibook, but I do not see how
to detach the cable, and I've never heard that apple sells other
keyboards for their ibooks. Or do you think I should by an external USB
keyboard instead of helping to create an option to use the PC style
variant?

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Re: xkb-data with support for Mac keyboards into unstable

[Helge Kreutzmann]

Hello Jörg,
On Mon, Sep 25, 2006 at 11:19:58AM +, Jörg Sommer wrote:
> Wolfgang Pfeiffer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Sat, Sep 23, 2006 at 03:52:11PM +0200, Helge Kreutzmann wrote:
> >
> >> 1. When pressing the key between ß? and backspace, I still get
> >>nothing, while I expect ' as printed on the key. With the shift
> >>modifier it works. This is keycode 21.
> >> 
> >> 2. The AltGr-Bracket sequence is still "wrong", i.e. I would like the
> >>PC style version, i.e. (starting at AltGR-7) {[]}\ 
> >
> > My vote for this. Definitely. :)
> 
> Use pc105 instead of macintosh. It's an Apple keyboard not a PC keyboard.
> 
> I vote for the Apple layout.

I'd like the PC variant as well. So what kind of options do I need to
get the pc style layout? If thats as good as the current version of
Denis, but only has the swapped brackets, I can of course switch.

For your question: I only run MacOSX for one game, and since almost no
third level is engraved, guessing becomes quite hard. And besides, I
can type blindly the PC style keyboard. I bought this machine for
linux, not for MacOSX. 

> >> 3. AltGr-Q still produces "«" and not "@"
> >
> > Same here, on a PowerBook5.8: ISO_Level3_Shift + Q = «
> 
> At me, the sign @ is engraved on the L key not on the Q key. Why do you
> expect a PC keyboard layout when you use an Apple keyboard?

I don't mind having Apple-L returning @, and since it is engraved, I
could even live with Apple-Q *not* returning @ (though it would be
really nice still). But I dont' think a lonely « is sensible, so I 
would at least suggest both return @. Do you actually use Apple-Q as «?

I just wonder why apple chose not to engrave most of the third-level
keys (but then I wouldn't have a big point for requesting a PC style
layout, at least as an option :-))

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Re: xkb-data with support for Mac keyboards into unstable

[Helge Kreutzmann]

Hello,
On Fri, Sep 29, 2006 at 04:05:59PM +0200, Bin Zhang wrote:
> >OT: Do you see a Euro-sign in X/on the console for Apple-E? And if so,
> >what kind of font do you use?
> 
> It seems to me that you need use uft-8.

I think I already use UTF-8. On the console I issued unicode_start.
LANG is set to [EMAIL PROTECTED] On the console I get a white square
for the euro sign, in X simply an empty "space". Keycode is 26
"EuroSign", so I think it probably is a font issue.

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Re: xkb-data with support for Mac keyboards into unstable

[Helge Kreutzmann]

Hallo Denis,
On Sun, Sep 24, 2006 at 11:34:14PM +0200, Denis Barbier wrote:
> On Sat, Sep 23, 2006 at 03:52:11PM +0200, Helge Kreutzmann wrote:
> > So the following still needs to be done for a german ibook keyboard:
> > 
> > 1. When pressing the key between ß? and backspace, I still get
> >nothing, while I expect ' as printed on the key. With the shift
> >modifier it works. This is keycode 21.
> 
> It works for me, please try with xev:
Thats what I did, my output differs slightly:
>   KeyRelease event, serial 31, synthetic NO, window 0x1e1,
 32   0x101
>   root 0x135, subw 0x0, time 3784639752, (874,-79), root:(886,584),
 0x44  4192263880  (117,59)(613,86)
>   state 0x0, keycode 21 (keysym 0xb4, acute), same_screen YES,
  0x1 0x60, grave
>   XLookupString gives 2 bytes: (c2 b4) "´"
1(60) "`"

Strange, in vim I get a `, while on the console I now get a ,

> > 2. The AltGr-Bracket sequence is still "wrong", i.e. I would like the
> >PC style version, i.e. (starting at AltGR-7) {[]}\ while I get
> >(starting at AltGr-5) []|{}}\. This behaviour should be switchable.
> >Also I still wonder why "}" is on AltGr-9 *and* AltGr-0.
> > 
> > 3. AltGr-Q still produces "«" and not "@"
> > 
> > I am happy that you kept AltGr-Y and AltGr-X as "«" and "»".
> 
> Can you please test this patch, and if possible discuss improvements
> with other German Mac users?

Will do so over the weekend.

> > Also several characters are on several positions, e.g. `, ~, |, «, ß,
> >  }. As of now, I don't see this as a problem, but maybe a general
> > consensus should be found regarding the AltGr-mapping. 
> 
> This is indeed usually not a problem.
> 
> Denis

> Index: xkb-data/symbols/macintosh_vndr/de
> ===
> --- xkb-data.orig/symbols/macintosh_vndr/de
> +++ xkb-data/symbols/macintosh_vndr/de
> @@ -18,16 +18,16 @@
>  key  { [ 2,quotedbl,  twosuperior  
> ]   };
>  key  { [ 3,section,  threesuperior,sterling
> ]   };
>  key  { [ 4,dollar,  onequarter,currency
> ]   };
> -key  { [ 5,percent,  bracketleft   
> ]   };
> -key  { [ 6,ampersand,  bracketright
> ]   };
> -key  { [ 7,slash,bar,backslash 
> ]   };
> -key  { [ 8,parenleft,  braceleft,asciitilde
> ]   };
> -key  { [ 9,parenright, braceright  
> ]   };
> +key  { [ 5,percent,  onehalf   
> ]   };
> +key  { [ 6,ampersand,  notsign ]   
> };
> +key  { [ 7,slash,  braceleft,  seveneighths
> ]   };
> +key  { [ 8,parenleft,  bracketleft,   trademark
> ]   };
> +key  { [ 9,parenright, bracketright,  plusminus
> ]   };
>  key  { [ 0,equal,  braceright, degree  
> ]   };
>  key  { [ssharp,question,  backslash,   questiondown
> ]   };
>  key  { [ dead_acute,   dead_grave,  dead_cedilla   
> ]   };
>  
> -key  { [ q,Q, guillemotleft,guillemotright ]   
> };
> +key  { [ q,Q, at   ]   
> };
>  key  { [ e,E,   EuroSign   ]   
> };
>  key  { [ r,R,  registered  ]   
> };
>  key  { [ t,T   ]   };
> @@ -46,7 +46,8 @@
>  key  { [ adiaeresis,   Adiaeresis,  dead_circumflex
> ]   };
>  
>  key  { [  less,greater,bar 
> ]   };
> -key  { [ y,Y,  guillemotleft,less  ]   
> };
> +key  { [ y,Y, guillemotright,   less ] };
> +key  { [ x,X,  guillemotleft,greater ] };
>  key  { [ n,N, asciitilde   ]   
> };
>  key  { [ m,M,   mu ]   
> };
>  key  { [ comma,semicolon   ]   };


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Re: xkb-data with support for Mac keyboards into unstable

[Bin Zhang]

On 9/29/06, Helge Kreutzmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Hello,
On Mon, Sep 25, 2006 at 12:20:23AM +0200, Wolfgang Pfeiffer wrote:
> $ setxkbmap -option  -option apple:badmap -rules xorg -model powerbook 
-layout de -variant nodeadkeys  -print | xkbcomp - :0
>
> does solve this issue  Thanks .. :)

OT: Do you see a Euro-sign in X/on the console for Apple-E? And if so,
what kind of font do you use?


It seems to me that you need use uft-8.

Best regards,
Bin



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Re: xkb-data with support for Mac keyboards into unstable

[Helge Kreutzmann]

Hello,
On Mon, Sep 25, 2006 at 12:20:23AM +0200, Wolfgang Pfeiffer wrote:
> $ setxkbmap -option  -option apple:badmap -rules xorg -model powerbook 
> -layout de -variant nodeadkeys  -print | xkbcomp - :0
> 
> does solve this issue  Thanks .. :)

OT: Do you see a Euro-sign in X/on the console for Apple-E? And if so,
what kind of font do you use?

Greetings

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[Cédric Boutillier]

This mysterious key seems to act as a second escape key. Here are the
results of xev for the standard Esc, and for this key, obtained from
Apple's X11:

Esc
KeyPress event, serial 26, synthetic NO, window 0x121,
   root 0x57, subw 0x0, time 16733974, (-624,143), root:(249,570),
   state 0x0, keycode 61 (keysym 0xff1b, Escape), same_screen YES,
   XLookupString gives 1 bytes: (1b) "
mbLookupString gives 1 bytes: (1b) "
FilterEvent returns: False

-mysterious key--
KeyPress event, serial 26, synthetic NO, window 0x121,
   root 0x57, subw 0x0, time 16867229, (351,36), root:(379,549),
   state 0x0, keycode 79 (keysym 0xff1b, Escape), same_screen YES,
   XKeysymToKeycode returns keycode: 61
   XLookupString gives 1 bytes: (1b) "
mbLookupString gives 1 bytes: (1b) "
FilterEvent returns: False

I can confirm that they both clear the screen of the calculator in the
MacOs Dashboard, activating the (c) key drawn on the calculator.
However, I could not notice any "Num Lock property" nor "Delete
property" attached to this key.




On 9/28/06, Mich Lanners <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Hi,

Short-circuiting all the later discussion

On  19 Sep, this message from Jörg Sommer echoed through cyberspace:
> Denis Barbier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> On Mon, Sep 18, 2006 at 07:11:20PM +, Jörg Sommer wrote:
>>> Why is Fn+6 num_lock?
>>
>> No idea, please run
>>   xkbcomp :0
>> and send the generated file server-0.xkb.
>
> I send it per PM. Maybe someone else knows what key it should be. It
> is a rectangle with a big X above.
>
> +-\-/-+
> |  X  |
> +-/-\-+

How about Delete (i.e. the other character-erasing key besides
backspace)?

I do think remember that key behaving like a PC-style Delete
(forward-delete)... On the other hand, the symbol changed to a "c" on my
Powerbook5,8.

But I also see no reason why this key combo should be numlock.

Cheers

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Re: No sound with new kernel on old PowerBook G4

[Emmanuel Galatoulas]

Vincent Lefevre wrote:

On 2006-08-05 23:34:13 +0200, Vincent Lefevre wrote:
  

On 2006-08-05 11:55:51 +0200, Vincent Lefevre wrote:


I have an old PowerBook G4 (PowerBook3,2) and recently switched to a
2.6.17 kernel with the official linux-image-2.6.17-1-powerpc package
(until now, I was using a 2.6.12 kernel I had compiled myself).
  

I was previously using "-d esd", and in fact, it is still working
(but I now need to run the command twice). The mixer didn't work,
but it is now solved too (I don't know why).



Now, after using alsa-utils, "-d esd" no longer works with the
2.6.17 kernel. But it still works with the old 2.6.12 kernel I
had compiled myself.

  

hi Vincent

I have exactly the same problem (even with the latest 2.6.18 kernel)!
have you found any remedy for this???


thanks

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Chris Burdess wrote:
> Jörg Sommer wrote:
>> If I sit in front of a keyboard with an Apple logo, I expect an Apple
>> keyboard. If I see the @ sign engraved on the L key, I expect I get it
>> when I press Modifier+L.
> 
> That's laudable, and echoes my own expectations with respect to the
> Alt+click (right click) when using X on my (1-button mouse) Powerbook.
> Is this ever going to happen, or will I forever be limited to an
> external 2/3-button USB mouse?
> 
> /me waits with bated breath...

Use mouseemu. I have configured it to generate the right things:
- - Left_Ctrl+click => right click
- - Left_Shift+click => middle click

If you have to modifier+click, you can use Fn+modifier+click which will
act as right_modifier+click which is different from Left_modifier.

Or you could map the combinations on Right_modifier+click if you want.

Here is my mouseemu configuration file:

- --8<---
$ cat /etc/default/mouseemu
# Defaults for mouseemu initscript (/etc/init.d/mouseemu)
# These are the default values on PowerPC. On all other architectures
# middle and right click are disabled by default.
# Key codes can be found in include/linux/input.h in the kernel headers
# or by using `showkey` in a console.


#MID_CLICK="-middle 0 68" # F10 with no modifier
#MID_CLICK="-middle 0 0" # no middle click emulation
MID_CLICK="-middle 42 272" # left shift + click
#MID_CLICK="-middle 125 272"  # Left Apple Key (LEFTMETA) + click
#RIGHT_CLICK="-right 0 87"# F11 with no modifier
RIGHT_CLICK="-right 29 272"  # Left Ctrl + click
#SCROLL="-scroll 56"  # Alt key
SCROLL="-scroll 0"  # no scroll
TYPING_BLOCK="-typing-block 500" # block mouse for 500ms after a keypress
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