Re: another bulk order of kilts for debconf17? Was: New Debian kilts
Anibal Monsalve Salazar writes: > On Fri, Sep 2, 2016 at 7:26 AM, Philip Hands wrote: > > For those who don't know the origins and the meaning of the Debian > tartan, which was registered by Phil, read the registration notes at: > > https://www.tartanregister.gov.uk/tartandetails.aspx?ref=5936 There's also this page on the wiki that I set up a while ago: https://wiki.debian.org/Tartan I guess a sub-page of that might be useful for tracking ideas about how to get another order together. Cheers, Phil. -- |)| Philip Hands [+44 (0)20 8530 9560] HANDS.COM Ltd. |-| http://www.hands.com/http://ftp.uk.debian.org/ |(| Hugo-Klemm-Strasse 34, 21075 Hamburg,GERMANY signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: another bulk order of kilts for debconf17? Was: New Debian kilts
On Fri, Sep 2, 2016 at 7:26 AM, Philip Hands wrote: > Cheers, Phil. > -- > |)| Philip Hands [+44 (0)20 8530 9560] HANDS.COM Ltd. > |-| http://www.hands.com/http://ftp.uk.debian.org/ > |(| Hugo-Klemm-Strasse 34, 21075 Hamburg,GERMANY For those who don't know the origins and the meaning of the Debian tartan, which was registered by Phil, read the registration notes at: https://www.tartanregister.gov.uk/tartandetails.aspx?ref=5936
Re: another bulk order of kilts for debconf17? Was: New Debian kilts
Steve McIntyre writes: > On Sun, Aug 28, 2016 at 04:27:11PM -0400, Yaroslav Halchenko wrote: >>> On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 04:53:47PM +0100, Wolodja Wentland wrote: >>> > I went to their store and asked and they quoted additional costs of >>> > £700 for a *single* made-to-order kilt. >> >>> Ouch! From what I remember when I got my kilt, 700£ is really really >>> pricey. I know that North-America is probably on the wrong side of the >>> world for most of the people interested in ordering, but I recommend >>> Burnett & Struth's[0] as a kilt maker. They're located just north of >>> Toronto, Canada. They made my personal kilt (combination of machine and >>> hand sewing) out of a very uncommon tartan (I think it had to be custom >>> woven since nobody kept it in stock) for about 650–700 CAD (~410–440£), >>> tax included. The fabric was heavy weight (16oz I think) at that. On a >>> side note, they also made my band kilt, which is 25 years old and still >>> looks great apart from wear on the leather buckle straps (easily worn >>> 10-15 times a year). >> >>Given that next debconf is in Montreal, may be it would be sensible to >>see placing an order for a few quilts with Burnett & Struth's ? > > Could do, maybe. I was also up in Edinburgh a couple of weekends back > with Andy, and we spoke to one of the companies up there too. He's got > the details and I'll let him post more info... :-) Cool. Just before DC16 I got in touch with Lorna, from Geoffrey (Tailor), who are the people that have made all the tartan to date -- they have sold off their weaving operation and now outsource to people in (IIRC) the Hebrides, who's looms are twice as wide, which would apparently result in the other half of the cloth being upside-down (or perhaps right-to-left) once made into a kilt. It sounded like they should be able to sort something out anyway, and were still looking into options, and seemed willing to underwrite part of the order if we were to do a full length (which is rather a lot). We're in no way tied to using them, of course, but they've done a decent job in the past, so should certainly be at least considered. On the other hand, if someone else can make then for much less at similar quality (which wouldn't surprise me -- there's bound to be a premium associated with getting it done in Edinburgh) then people might well prefer that option. I guess it's up to the people subscribing to the order. The fact that the pound has fallen since the "brexit" result might make Edinburgh prices rather more affordable for some ;-) One suggestion that has been made in the past (and supported by Neil when he was DPL, but I failed to get anything sorted out about it) was to do matched funding from Debian funds for any such order, to make sure that there was a decent amount of stock left over, such that people could then buy cloth without having to get over the hurdle of starting another weaving run. Of course, if that were to be done, we will need someone to look after the cloth that remains in stock until it is sold. Cheers, Phil. -- |)| Philip Hands [+44 (0)20 8530 9560] HANDS.COM Ltd. |-| http://www.hands.com/http://ftp.uk.debian.org/ |(| Hugo-Klemm-Strasse 34, 21075 Hamburg,GERMANY signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: another bulk order of kilts for debconf17? Was: New Debian kilts
On Sun, Aug 28, 2016 at 04:27:11PM -0400, Yaroslav Halchenko wrote: >> On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 04:53:47PM +0100, Wolodja Wentland wrote: >> > I went to their store and asked and they quoted additional costs of >> > £700 for a *single* made-to-order kilt. > >> Ouch! From what I remember when I got my kilt, 700£ is really really >> pricey. I know that North-America is probably on the wrong side of the >> world for most of the people interested in ordering, but I recommend >> Burnett & Struth's[0] as a kilt maker. They're located just north of >> Toronto, Canada. They made my personal kilt (combination of machine and >> hand sewing) out of a very uncommon tartan (I think it had to be custom >> woven since nobody kept it in stock) for about 650–700 CAD (~410–440£), >> tax included. The fabric was heavy weight (16oz I think) at that. On a >> side note, they also made my band kilt, which is 25 years old and still >> looks great apart from wear on the leather buckle straps (easily worn >> 10-15 times a year). > >Given that next debconf is in Montreal, may be it would be sensible to >see placing an order for a few quilts with Burnett & Struth's ? Could do, maybe. I was also up in Edinburgh a couple of weekends back with Andy, and we spoke to one of the companies up there too. He's got the details and I'll let him post more info... :-) -- Steve McIntyre, Cambridge, UK.st...@einval.com "Since phone messaging became popular, the young generation has lost the ability to read or write anything that is longer than one hundred and sixty characters." -- Ignatios Souvatzis
another bulk order of kilts for debconf17? Was: New Debian kilts
On Sun, 30 Sep 2012, Ryan Kavanagh wrote: > On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 04:53:47PM +0100, Wolodja Wentland wrote: > > I went to their store and asked and they quoted additional costs of > > £700 for a *single* made-to-order kilt. > Ouch! From what I remember when I got my kilt, 700£ is really really > pricey. I know that North-America is probably on the wrong side of the > world for most of the people interested in ordering, but I recommend > Burnett & Struth's[0] as a kilt maker. They're located just north of > Toronto, Canada. They made my personal kilt (combination of machine and > hand sewing) out of a very uncommon tartan (I think it had to be custom > woven since nobody kept it in stock) for about 650–700 CAD (~410–440£), > tax included. The fabric was heavy weight (16oz I think) at that. On a > side note, they also made my band kilt, which is 25 years old and still > looks great apart from wear on the leather buckle straps (easily worn > 10-15 times a year). Given that next debconf is in Montreal, may be it would be sensible to see placing an order for a few quilts with Burnett & Struth's ? -- Yaroslav O. Halchenko Center for Open Neuroscience http://centerforopenneuroscience.org Dartmouth College, 419 Moore Hall, Hinman Box 6207, Hanover, NH 03755 Phone: +1 (603) 646-9834 Fax: +1 (603) 646-1419 WWW: http://www.linkedin.com/in/yarik
Re: New Debian kilts
On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 04:53:47PM +0100, Wolodja Wentland wrote: > I went to their store and asked and they quoted additional costs of > £700 for a *single* made-to-order kilt. Ouch! From what I remember when I got my kilt, 700£ is really really pricey. I know that North-America is probably on the wrong side of the world for most of the people interested in ordering, but I recommend Burnett & Struth's[0] as a kilt maker. They're located just north of Toronto, Canada. They made my personal kilt (combination of machine and hand sewing) out of a very uncommon tartan (I think it had to be custom woven since nobody kept it in stock) for about 650–700 CAD (~410–440£), tax included. The fabric was heavy weight (16oz I think) at that. On a side note, they also made my band kilt, which is 25 years old and still looks great apart from wear on the leather buckle straps (easily worn 10-15 times a year). Best wishes, Ryan [0] http://www.burnetts-struth.com/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-project-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120930220955.ga6...@nu.ryanak.ca
Re: New Debian kilts
Wolodja Wentland writes: > On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 17:00 +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote: >> >> Hmmm. I'd have thought they have some cloth still in stock, based on >> what they've said in the last year. I'd double-check that with them >> and Phil, maybe... > > Oh, please do. They wanted to clarify that but weren't actually sure. It might > also be that they wanted to check with Phil before selling it to > Some-Random-Guy™. I would happily buy it if there is still some left. I have told them repeatedly that we're completely happy for random people to buy it, but it seems they struggle with the idea -- which is a bit of a shame as the more the merrier as far as we're concerned. Hopefully continued demand will eventually convince them to keep stock without requiring up-front funding of the start-up costs of each batch. Anyway, last I heard they had stock (we ordered 80 yards, but for reasons known only to the weavers they wove 160 yards. I was under the impression that there was still quite a lot of the extra left over). I'll ask them what the current situation is, if that helps. Cheers, Phil. -- |)| Philip Hands [+44 (0)20 8530 9560]http://www.hands.com/ |-| HANDS.COM Ltd.http://www.uk.debian.org/ |(| 10 Onslow Gardens, South Woodford, London E18 1NE ENGLAND pgpEJIQqM7G4e.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: New Debian kilts
On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 04:53:47PM +0100, Wolodja Wentland wrote: > On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 18:29 +0200, Olivier Berger wrote: > > Wolodja Wentland writes: > > > I am considering to organise a group purchase of Debian kilts and wanted > > > to > > > ask if other people are interested in one. You can find information about > > > the > > > kilts on [0] and I spoke to the tailor/weaver [1] today who is happy to > > > produce yet another round. > > > > Do you have an estimate of the cost ? > > Well, not exactly as it depends on how many people are ordering. As detailed > on [0] they charge a "setup fee" if you want them to weave a tartan that is > not in stock. The wiki lists setup costs of £300, but I am not sure how > accurate that is. Their prices for kilts made from standard (i.e. in-stock) > tartan are listed on [1] and I would assume that they can make a reasonable > offer for kilts made from Debian tartan. It looks as if Hands.com paid for the > weaving, design and registration of the tartan the last time. > > Unfortunately they didn't produce enough cloth and we would therefore have to > pay for the weaving as well. I went to their store and asked and they quoted > additional costs of £700 for a *single* made-to-order kilt. To be honest I am > not entirely sure how much its going to be and I wanted to check if other > people are interested. > > In short: The more we are the better ;) So, I'd be unlikely to wear a kilt (well, ok, not seriosuly or enough to buy a nice one), but I would be extremely likely to wear a scarf. Do we get the material (or scraps or something)? I'd be super interested in ordering some material to make a scarf or something, if it'd help bring down the cost a bit. > > [0] http://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf7/Tartan#Future_Orders > [1] http://www.geoffreykilts.co.uk/gentskilts.html > -- > Wolodja > > 4096R/CAF14EFC > 081C B7CD FF04 2BA9 94EA 36B2 8B7F 7D30 CAF1 4EFC signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: New Debian kilts
On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 17:00 +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote: > > Hmmm. I'd have thought they have some cloth still in stock, based on > what they've said in the last year. I'd double-check that with them > and Phil, maybe... Oh, please do. They wanted to clarify that but weren't actually sure. It might also be that they wanted to check with Phil before selling it to Some-Random-Guy™. I would happily buy it if there is still some left. -- Wolodja 4096R/CAF14EFC 081C B7CD FF04 2BA9 94EA 36B2 8B7F 7D30 CAF1 4EFC signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: New Debian kilts
On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 04:53:47PM +0100, Wolodja Wentland wrote: >On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 18:29 +0200, Olivier Berger wrote: >> Wolodja Wentland writes: >> > I am considering to organise a group purchase of Debian kilts and wanted to >> > ask if other people are interested in one. You can find information about >> > the >> > kilts on [0] and I spoke to the tailor/weaver [1] today who is happy to >> > produce yet another round. >> >> Do you have an estimate of the cost ? > >Well, not exactly as it depends on how many people are ordering. As detailed >on [0] they charge a "setup fee" if you want them to weave a tartan that is >not in stock. The wiki lists setup costs of £300, but I am not sure how >accurate that is. Their prices for kilts made from standard (i.e. in-stock) >tartan are listed on [1] and I would assume that they can make a reasonable >offer for kilts made from Debian tartan. It looks as if Hands.com paid for the >weaving, design and registration of the tartan the last time. > >Unfortunately they didn't produce enough cloth and we would therefore have to >pay for the weaving as well. I went to their store and asked and they quoted >additional costs of £700 for a *single* made-to-order kilt. To be honest I am >not entirely sure how much its going to be and I wanted to check if other >people are interested. > >In short: The more we are the better ;) Hmmm. I'd have thought they have some cloth still in stock, based on what they've said in the last year. I'd double-check that with them and Phil, maybe... -- Steve McIntyre, Cambridge, UK.st...@einval.com "I can't ever sleep on planes ... call it irrational if you like, but I'm afraid I'll miss my stop" -- Vivek Dasmohapatra -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-project-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120930160022.gc8...@einval.com
Re: New Debian kilts
On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 18:29 +0200, Olivier Berger wrote: > Wolodja Wentland writes: > > I am considering to organise a group purchase of Debian kilts and wanted to > > ask if other people are interested in one. You can find information about > > the > > kilts on [0] and I spoke to the tailor/weaver [1] today who is happy to > > produce yet another round. > > Do you have an estimate of the cost ? Well, not exactly as it depends on how many people are ordering. As detailed on [0] they charge a "setup fee" if you want them to weave a tartan that is not in stock. The wiki lists setup costs of £300, but I am not sure how accurate that is. Their prices for kilts made from standard (i.e. in-stock) tartan are listed on [1] and I would assume that they can make a reasonable offer for kilts made from Debian tartan. It looks as if Hands.com paid for the weaving, design and registration of the tartan the last time. Unfortunately they didn't produce enough cloth and we would therefore have to pay for the weaving as well. I went to their store and asked and they quoted additional costs of £700 for a *single* made-to-order kilt. To be honest I am not entirely sure how much its going to be and I wanted to check if other people are interested. In short: The more we are the better ;) [0] http://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf7/Tartan#Future_Orders [1] http://www.geoffreykilts.co.uk/gentskilts.html -- Wolodja 4096R/CAF14EFC 081C B7CD FF04 2BA9 94EA 36B2 8B7F 7D30 CAF1 4EFC signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: New Debian kilts
Wolodja Wentland writes: > Hi all, > > I am considering to organise a group purchase of Debian kilts and wanted to > ask if other people are interested in one. You can find information about the > kilts on [0] and I spoke to the tailor/weaver [1] today who is happy to > produce yet another round. Do you have an estimate of the cost ? Thank in advance. Best regards, -- Olivier BERGER http://www-public.it-sudparis.eu/~berger_o/ - OpenPGP-Id: 2048R/5819D7E8 Ingenieur Recherche - Dept INF Institut Mines-Telecom, Telecom SudParis, Evry (France) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-project-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87fw62az6j@inf-8657.int-evry.fr
New Debian kilts
Hi all, I am considering to organise a group purchase of Debian kilts and wanted to ask if other people are interested in one. You can find information about the kilts on [0] and I spoke to the tailor/weaver [1] today who is happy to produce yet another round. [0] http://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf7/Tartan [1] http://www.geoffreykilts.co.uk/ -- Wolodja 4096R/CAF14EFC 081C B7CD FF04 2BA9 94EA 36B2 8B7F 7D30 CAF1 4EFC signature.asc Description: Digital signature