Re: ..dead ext3 journals, was: Nagios on Debian
On Wed, 3 Sep 2003 10:47:22 -0700, Jeremy T. Bouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Wed, Sep 03, 2003 at 07:00:42PM +0200, Arnt Karlsen wrote: On Wed, 3 Sep 2003 08:22:22 -0700, Jeremy T. Bouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Wed, Sep 03, 2003 at 04:55:53PM +0200, Arnt Karlsen wrote: On Tue, 2 Sep 2003 09:48:40 -0700, Jeremy T. Bouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] top posted in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Nagios itself is necessary... Also I've worked out the dependencies so that Nagios can be setup in a distributed fashion as documented in the Nagios docs where you only need the central server to have a web server installed... It didn't make sense to have it recommend the plugins but depend on the web server which meant you couldn't install nagios as a probe-only server with no web interface and installing Nagios without the plugins doesn't make much sense at all... ..a web server == an Apache webserver? There are _several_ out there, even some lightweight... Well it's put as apache | apache-ssl | httpd which should allow any web server package to be used however the packaging at this time only knows how to try and configure itself to run on apache or apache-ssl... ..ah, so with boa or monkey webservers I just have to figure out config stuff myself. ;-) Well I'm not the official Nagios maintainer I'm just working on a NMU for it to get the plugins package working since maintainer hasn't had time to work on it... I also don't run boa or monkey webservers so I'm the last person you'd want trying to figure out the config stuff :) ..easiest way is fire it up from http://damnsmalllinux.org/ ;-) By changing debian/control so that it Suggests the web server rather than depends on it you could setup a distributed monitoring system with Nagios as listed on the Nagios documentation[1]. Also it made more sense to change the Depends to nagios-plugins | netsaint-plugins (= 1.2.9.4-7) rather than as a Suggests or Recommends as Nagios doesn't make much sense without them... Regards, Jeremy [1]http://nagios.sourceforge.net/docs/1_0/distributed.html ..thanks, while I got your attention: there _are_ ways to monitor ext3 and other journalling fs'es for journalling failures? Had a few ext3 go ro on /var and /home and trigging a kernel panic is usually overkill, especially on raid-1, I would have expected the journal demon bail out the bad disk and do fsck and restart the journal and resync etc, but with Red Hat 7.3-9 and Debian, it's at best errors=remount-ro. This could be handled by Nagios in theory... I'm not aware of any plugin at this time that checks journal status but I'm sure one ..anything else that checks fs journal status? could be written and with the assistance of a properly written event handler script auto-correct the solution... In the production systems I'm runing Nagios in we have some event handlers which restart hung processes before they cause problems... ..cool, urls? -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;-) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Viewing my replies in mutt
On Thu, Sep 04, 2003 at 03:09:54AM +0100, Pigeon wrote: On Wed, Sep 03, 2003 at 04:56:27PM -0400, Paul Dersey wrote: Is there an easy way as I am going through a mailbox to jump to my reply? Or do I have to leave the mailbox, go to my sent-mail folder and search for the reply? It would be really convenient if my replies could be viewed as part of the threaded view in my mailboxes. Any suggestions? Perhaps you could save [copies of] [your list] replies in the same folder as the incoming mail? I haven't tried this, but it might be worth a shot. -- Pigeon Be kind to pigeons Get my GPG key here: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=getsearch=0x21C61F7F // yeah, i think that's what i do: i amended .muttrc: # save sent mail. set record=/var/spool/mail/bt (season 'bt' to taste.) kthxbye. p. // -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: zmodem file transfer w/ minicom over serial connection
... HDD IRQs are unmasked: hdparm -u1 dev # READ the hdparm manpage first! At which end? What does this do? both, if possible (may break things with some chipsets), it ensures serial IRQ events are handled in a timely manner -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: aptitude install attempted to remove all X applications in unstable?
I noticed the same thing! My system started as a Knoppix system. I stopped using aptitude... :( On Thu, Sep 04, 2003 at 02:22:15PM +0700, arief_mulya wrote: Dear all, After a months or so, I tried to get new packages from unstable, so I did aptitude update. When I came to aptitude install, I notice it asking me to REMOVE all my X applications. Is that true? but why? apt-get --fix-broken --fix-missing dist-upgrade or apt-get upgrade don't show me anything dangerous than downloading 300Megs of programs. Is it something I do in aptitude? Or? Thanks for clues. Best Regards, -- arief_mulya [EMAIL PROTECTED] Peace is Beautiful -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: KDE3
Thanks! That did it. Desktop is up and working. I could have sworn I saw kdebase on the list of apps that were removed AND reinstalled. What do you think happened there or is that scenario expected and I just am too newbie to understand? Huw Andreas Janssen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Hello Huw Dixon ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: This is getting frustrating. I managed to get KDE upgraded to KDE3.1.3 from KDE.org site. Running startx I get the KDE spash screen and the various initializations, I get the Kandalphs (or whatever) tips window, but after that no desktop, blank. CTL-ALT-BS still takes me out. I dont see anything in /var/log/messages ro /var/log/kdm.log. Maybe some packages were removed instead of upgraded. Install the kdebase package. If you still have problems, move or rename your ~/.kde folder. Maybe the old settings are confusing KDE. best regards Andreas Janssen -- Andreas Janssen [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP-Key-ID: 0xDC801674 Registered Linux User #267976 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mixing stable and testing
On Mon, Sep 01, 2003 at 04:27:36PM -0800, Greg Madden wrote: You would need to setup a /etc/apt/preferences file, add testing to yor sources.list, and use pinning. Even so libc6 (upgrade) will be a depend on anythig from Testing. For what you want, it may be safer/easier to use 'apt-source' and build the few packages you want. If you are lucky there won't be any depends or only a couple that you will have to also build. You may need to run 'apt-get build-dep' in order to build your package, you would get an error message to this effect. Um, ok, another stupid newbie question: how do I build a package from source? I downloaded metalog's source, but the package won't build if I use dpkg -b metalog-dir -- it comes up with errors in the DEBIAN/control file. Am I going about it the right way? I've compiled programs before, I've just never compiled a *package*. TIA. -- Vikki RoemerHomepage: http://neuromancer.homelinux.com/ Registered Linux user #280021 http://counter.li.org/ Good day for a change of scene. Repaper the bedroom wall. PGP fingerprint: 0A3E 0AE4 CCD9 FF31 B4BB C859 2DE1 B1D8 5CE0 1578 Keyserver: http://pgp.mit.edu/ -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK- Version: 3.12 GAT d-(?) s: a--- C(++) UL P+ L+++ E W++ N+ o? K- w--() O? M? V?(-) PS+(+++) PE(++) Y+ PGP++ t+@ 5 X-() R*(?) tv-- b+++(++) DI+ D--(?) G e-(*)+ h! r% x? --END GEEK CODE BLOCK-- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Getting XFree 4.3?
* Russell Shaw E: Sorry, broken packages I think by setting up apt-get pinning or something, these dependancies can be downloaded and installed automatically. However, i haven't figured that out, so i resolve these problems manually (it doesn't happen very often). Some of these errors may go away if you put this in apt.conf: APT::Default-Release testing; APT::Cache-Limit 1000; Also, put an official testing source into sources.list too. How? -- Jon Haugsand Dept. of Informatics, Univ. of Oslo, Norway, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.ifi.uio.no/~jonhaug/, Phone: +47 22 95 21 52 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mixing stable and testing
On Thu, Sep 04, 2003 at 01:36:21PM -0400, Vikki Roemer wrote: On Mon, Sep 01, 2003 at 04:27:36PM -0800, Greg Madden wrote: You would need to setup a /etc/apt/preferences file, add testing to yor sources.list, and use pinning. Even so libc6 (upgrade) will be a depend on anythig from Testing. For what you want, it may be safer/easier to use 'apt-source' and build the few packages you want. If you are lucky there won't be any depends or only a couple that you will have to also build. You may need to run 'apt-get build-dep' in order to build your package, you would get an error message to this effect. Um, ok, another stupid newbie question: how do I build a package from source? I downloaded metalog's source, but the package won't build if I use dpkg -b metalog-dir -- it comes up with errors in the DEBIAN/control file. Am I going about it the right way? I've compiled programs before, I've just never compiled a *package*. Definitely don't use 'dpkg -b'. This seems to be quite a common mistake, but that's for low-level use by debian/rules scripts only (and possibly experts doing very strange things, although I must say I can't remember ever needing it). Instead, install the devscripts and fakeroot packages and run 'debuild'. You probably want the -uc and -us flags too so that it doesn't prompt you for a GPG signature. Cheers, -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Routing
On Thu, 2003-09-04 at 08:30, Mark Maas wrote: Ok thanks, tried it but I get: SIOCADDRT: Invalid argument when I issue: route add -net 192.168.3.0 eth0 man route tells me: route add -net 192.56.76.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 dev eth0 adds a route to the network 192.56.76.x via eth0. The Class C netmask modifier is not really neces sary here because 192.* is a Class C IP address. The word dev can be omitted here. What am I missing? Well, it looks like you are missing netmask and the netmask. I think your problem is not what you are thinking though. What is the ip address of eth1? what does route -n show? -Mark -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Debian-hardware newbie question
is it possible to have knoppix-like H/W detection under From one newbie to another: you can, if you want, install knoppix to the hard drive using instructions such as these: http://www.freenet.org.nz/misc/knoppix-install.html ...or, you can boot with knoppix and write down the modules it's using for sound/video/scsi/whatever so that when you install Debian you'll have an idea of what to use. Don't know if that's what you want or not, but it's what I've done as I've scratched my way along. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
AutoNotify: Re: Your application
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Re: Traction (was Re: OT: Debian Mailinglist server slow?)
On Thu, 2003-09-04 at 08:59, Pigeon wrote: Fuel cells? Already? Cool. I want one for my bicycle. Well... just eat some beans and drink some beer... you'll have a REALLY GOOD Fuel Self... and it CAN ride a bike as well. -- greg, [EMAIL PROTECTED] REMEMBER ED CURRY! http://www.iwethey.org/ed_curry Sortons les routes des mamelles d'antan launch la joie des voleurs la nacelle se remplit. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
New Savage driver with unstable?
I've got a Shuttle SV25 that I've been trying to make into a MythTV/Pydance box for over a month. It's running Sid, and after a fair amount of pain I've got the USB wireless, dance pad adapter, and bttv card working. I get the idea from Googling around that the current Savage driver for X may be responsible for the lockups and segfaults that I get whenever I try to use MythTV and Pydance. Has anyone on this list been able to compile the new Free driver from S3 (http://www.linux.org.uk/~alan/S3.zip)? I have never built X before, but I downloaded the XFree86 4.2.1-11 source package, applied the patch, and managed to get most of it to compile. Of course, the Savage driver was the one part to fail :-( Cheers, Evan @ 4-am -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Traction (was Re: OT: Debian Mailinglist server slow?)
On Thu, 04 Sep 2003 11:51:03 -0400, David Z Maze [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If you have a Windows box laying around, Microsoft Train Sim has several scenarios running with power set up like this as well if you wanted to try your hand at it. Controls are synched between all power units automatically (iRL and in the game). ObDebian: I don't suppose anybody knows of anyone having put effort into writing a free MSTS engine? On principle, it doesn't sound very hard, and there are lots of free-beer data files available online, but 3D game programming isn't entirely my thing. I also know there's a Magic Microsoft Image Format that's used for surface textures on things. ..check out http://simgear.org/ and http://flightgear.org/ for ideas. These sites has their own mail lists theat can be used instead of trundling off topic here. ;-) -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;-) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: problem with mutt and imap
* David J. Weller-Fahy [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2003-09-04 08:02]: * Dan Hunt [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2003-09-03 20:32]: * David J. Weller-Fahy [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2003-09-03 21:10]: * Dan Hunt [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2003-09-03 18:22]: * Grzesiek Sedek [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2003-09-03 18:43]: I'm getting this weird error when trying to connect to imap server: gnutls_handshake: A TLS packet with unexpected length was received Hey! I am having the same problem with a new installation, and a Red-Hat server. Right now I am running Sid and it used to work when I had Woody. What version of mutt are you using? I've just duplicated that by removing my IMAPd SSL certificate (imapd.pem with courier-imap) and attempting to connect to my imapd server. Are you sure you've created a self-signed certificate? Oh, and I'm using mutt 1.5.4i on Debian testing. Regards, -- dave [ please don't CC me ] I'm just having this problem with one mail server, as a user I am using IMAP to connect to my ISP provided mailbox with no problems. I just enter c to change and type in each time imap://username:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ Gotcha. However Mutt 1.5.4i (2003-03-19) is not connecting to my work address. At this domain I am a user, who cannot connect using mutt, yet. Rather than using the provided IMP webmail, I set up Mozilla to use imap and it works well. So, the problem is with one imap server that is not under your control, correct? What IMAP options are you using in your .muttrc? I'm assuming (from the context) that they're running a non-ssl secured IMAP server and are advertising STARTTLS, right? If so, you may want to try putting the following in your .muttrc: #v+ set ssl_starttls=no #v- And try to connect. Just a WAG, but it might help. Great guess, fixed that right up. Kind regards Dan Hunt -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ..trundling OT; Traction (was Re: OT: Debian Mailinglist server slow?)
On Thu, 2003-09-04 at 05:19, Paul Johnson wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, Sep 04, 2003 at 01:56:57AM +0200, Arnt Karlsen wrote: ..an invitation? I'll pass. ;-) http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30100-12759012,00.html Wait, wait, wait...is that a bobby with a Kalishnikov in that picture? An AK-x HK, probably. -- - Ron Johnson, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jefferson, LA USA The greatest dangers to liberty lurk in insidious encroachment by men of zeal, well-meaning, but without understanding. Justice Louis Brandeis, dissenting, Olmstead v US (1928) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
route function of actiontec 1524, please help
Dear [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I had actiontec 1524 dsl modem, firmware 1.60.50.0.51, with one pc (wtih linux, redhat 9) with one static ip, I want to broadcast webserver by above but when I type in my (static ip) in my browser, it show the modem configuration page, not my apache test page which I suppose to see. do you have any way to get arround that by not upgrading firmware? or have linux upgrading firmware for above mentioned dsl modem? or would you please point me to some related article about routeing that can make me broadcast my webserver inside this dsl-modem to outside world(internet). I visiting you from a link in google search. looking for your reply sincere eric -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Violación de contenido SMTP
Buen Día. El filtro de correo de SMTP de nuestra institución, ha detectado, un mensaje de correo enviado por usted, el cual no está permitido, de acuerdo a las políticas de seguridad, y ha sido eliminado. Si el mensaje corresponde a relaciones laborales con nuestra entidad, por favor comuniquese con el destinatario. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Thank you! Matching Subject: re: thank you! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Faked From-Adress with my domain on them
Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Fri, Aug 29, 2003 at 01:04:51AM +0100, Pigeon wrote: Eh? I meant he's sending everything _from_ [EMAIL PROTECTED] sure, if he was sending to [EMAIL PROTECTED] we wouldn't be having this discussion :-) OK, but I'm not entirely convinced he's sending a host, which is why everybody's local mail server is adding in the host part. I've seen some hints of @localhost in the email I got. I sent email to Kevin about two weeks ago asking him to fix it. Since it hasn't been fixed yet, and he never answered, I just assumed he didn't care. I don't know about standard exim configurations, but my sendmail configuration (on a NetBSD box, built using the standard macros) does look for @localhost and converts it. So I think it's a standard part of the sendmail config. I think it's a misconfiguration problem in multiple places. * Kevin's mail software (Ximian Evolution, talking directly to his ISP? if there's a local MTA it's not in the Received headers) shouldn't be sending out such headers. * His ISP's software (Exim) could be more intelligent about detecting misconfigured clients. Since it's an ISP, and they probably don't care much about a pesky little thing like this, the easiest approach might be to get a fix in upstream so they'll get it next time they update their software. * One could make an argument that Debian's mailer or list processor should require valid addresses, but that might be a tough argument to sell, especially for lists where one might turn for help in fixing just this problem. Perhaps messages could be bounced with an error message including a URL with advice? In some lists, support for anonymity is important. So bouncing invalid addresses in general probably isn't right. (Maybe for Debian lists it doesn't matter except as a spam defense, but changing the list software in general wouldn't be right for these other lists.) But what about just bouncing from/sender/reply-to fields with @localhost, or with any unqualified hostname? * Our receiving mailers (mine's Sendmail) probably shouldn't be doing that transformation for mail coming from off the local machine. Perhaps sticking in @INVALID or @NOFQDN would be better. Given the wide variety of mail configurations out there, would it be at all practical to make the popular Debian mailers difficult to configure to send email without FQDNs in the headers to internet hosts at large, while still presumably allowing smarthost forwarding with unqualified names? Not impossible, if someone really insists on it and knows why it's the wrong thing to do; just difficult. I suspect Kevin wasn't intentionally trolling for accusations of email forgery when he set up his mail client. Given that my mail server is an old NetBSD box, and I don't use Exim or Evolution, I'm probably not the best person to submit bug reports or enhancement requests against these programs asking for such changes, 'cuz I can't verify all of them in a Debian mail system or verify when they've been fixed. But if someone else wants to, feel free Ken -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
overnet, mldonkey, which one??
Hi all. I have no experience with any internet file sharing system. Some one told me about overnet. I searched debian repositories for it and I came up with mldonkey, another program to do that. Now I readed a bit about this but still I don't feel like I can make the choice. Seems to me that overnet is better. Overnet have proxy support, I have not see this in mldonkey (maybe I miss it). Also mldonkey advice you to create a new acount for it to work should any hacker gets access to the machine. So I guess that it's not very secure. But seems to me that overnet isn't free, which is a big drawback. I'm looking for: 1- Easy of use. 2- Security. 3- Proxy support. (I live behind a firewall) 4- Work well in low bandwith. 5- Free (GPL) Can anyone give me a hint? Thanks in advice. Alfredo -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Dependency issue : resolving them, how ?
Hi People, I'd like to know about some good tips to fix dependencies wich are broken because of more up-to-date libraries etc. Any help would be welcome, it is quite confusing as to why newer versions are obsoleted by older version dependency's. Thanks allready people. -- Mvg, Joris - - - http://www.angels.be -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
linux(knoppix
Je kunt er in het nederlands over praten hier: http://unix-gg.hobby.nl/forums/index.php?bn=unixgg_knoppix Groetjes, Huug. __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Faked From-Adress with my domain on them
Ken Raeburn wrote: Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: OK, but I'm not entirely convinced he's sending a host, which is why everybody's local mail server is adding in the host part. I've seen some hints of @localhost in the email I got. I sent email to Kevin about two weeks ago asking him to fix it. Since it hasn't been fixed yet, and he never answered, I just assumed he didn't care. Well, Kevin has fixed it, so he is not indifferent. But there is another case of the same misconfiguration on the list. But since I now know it is not a conscious attempt to use my domain, I am way more relaxed than before :) Thanks for the discussion, and apologies to Kevin once more for being so rude, Stefan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Restoring system after MB/processor upgrade
on Thu, Sep 04, 2003 at 12:07:04AM -0400, Neal Lippman ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: I'm thinking about upgrading my system from its current AMD Athlon XP based system to a P4 (actually, I need to put together a new system for my son, so I'm thinking of giving him my current MB/processor and putting a new MB/processor into my system). Obviously, I don't want to lose my current testing installation in the process. I'm hoping that an MB/processor swap into the case and a reboot will leave me just with a rerun of modconf to change installed modules to match the new hardward's ethernet and sound cards (I'm goign to reuse my current video card) and I'll be back in business. Most likely, nothing's going to change. There are no drivers specific to the CPU (mostly), though there are kernel flavors specific to specific kernel architectures. If you're upgrading CPUs within the P4 familiy, it's a transparent change. Best bet is to have bootable media (boot floppy, Tom's Root Boot, LNX-BBC, Knoppix) handy. Peace. -- Karsten M. Self [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://kmself.home.netcom.com/ What Part of Gestalt don't you understand? There is no K5 Cabal: http://www.kuro5hin.org/ pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Jabber Client can't register
On Wed, Sep 03, 2003 at 08:58:24AM -0700, Tim Grogan wrote: I've just installed Jabber 1.4.2 and the server seems to be working but I can't register/connect. I've read the thread bout making sure mod_auth_plain is loaded and I think it is (see part of jabber.xml) I'm sure it's something I've overlooked. For info I'm running Debian 2.4.20 and have the files in /usr/local/jabber with root as the owner. Are you using the Debian Jabber package or custom compiled? What error (if any) is returned? Which client are you using? Have you checked the raw XML transmitted between the server and the client? -- Jamin W. Collins -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: overnet, mldonkey, which one??
On Thu, Sep 04, 2003 at 04:03:22PM +0200, Alfredo Valles wrote: I'm looking for: 1- Easy of use. 2- Security. 3- Proxy support. (I live behind a firewall) 4- Work well in low bandwith. 5- Free (GPL) try gtk-gnutella -- Ryan Nowakowski Computer Support for Small Business and Individuals http://austincomputersupport.com pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: proftp or wu-ftp?
Ryan do you or does anyone have any instructions for a dim-wit like myself on how to set up proftp. I've got it installed and kind of operating, but how do I make it default to /home/ftp whenever ANYONE logs in. Curtis On Wednesday, Sep 3, 2003, at 20:50 US/Pacific, Ryan Nowakowski wrote: On Wed, Sep 03, 2003 at 01:26:20PM -0700, Curtis Vaughan wrote: I need to set up an ftp server. I've looked at wu-ftp and a little at proftp. I'm wondering what people find to be the better, and easiest to set up. Actually, I'm having trouble setting either up. But let me tell you what I want to do. Right now I need to set up an ftp site that authenticated users can only access in order to download files. Authentication in our network is provided by LDAP w/PAM. I see that proftp has an LDAP package, which I have installed right now. So, it seems at first the better. Ultimately, we may be setting up additional Virtual hosts. I use proftpd and find it to be very flexible. It takes a little time setting it up but works great. -- Ryan Nowakowski Computer Support for Small Business and Individuals http://austincomputersupport.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Dependencies and .deb vs creating .deb's from source code
Hi all, I'm currently involved in a Debian-distro based project which aims to create an Internet caching product for schools which would hopefully take the form of a Debian install CD which would install relevant packages from CD and then update when required from the Internet via existing servers where possible and our own servers for deb packages which we need to create ourselves (This is a very basic description!). We're currently debating which will be easier in relation to creating and maintaing the packages we'll need. From those in the know, are we better doing either of the following: 1) We alter existing deb's and from that point forth need to check the debian package list for updates, get them and their dependencies, alter them and host them 2) We use stable source code, create our own deb's, host them, check the web sites for the relevant package for updates important enough to make use create a new deb package and host that How will we be affected by dependencies on other apps with either of the above? We currently have a blank canvas to work from which is based around the bf24 kernel install of Debian with only the C++ Development option installed. ANY comments on this would be very gratefully accepted! Regards, nry _ Hotmail messages direct to your mobile phone http://www.msn.co.uk/msnmobile -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: lm-sensors
fakeroot debian/rules kdist_image \ KSRC=/usr/src/kernel-headers-2.4.18-1-686 \ KVERS=2.4.18-1-686 KDREV=2.4.18-11 This ignores the kernel-source package you installed entirely, incidentally. But if it works, that's good to hear. But somehow it is depending on this. I got the following errors without the symbolic link to kernel-source-2.4.18, and that is also the reason why I made a copy of /boot/config-2.4.18-1-686 grep: /usr/src/linux/Makefile: No such file or directory grep: /usr/src/linux/include/linux/autoconf.h: No such file or directory grep: /usr/src/linux/.config: No such file or directory (last line repeating about 30 times) Thanks again, Menno. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: IDE bus rescan?
On Thu, Sep 04, 2003 at 04:03:30PM +0100, Paladin wrote: Does anyone know some way to force a rescan to the IDE bus? I have a defective IDE drive that almost never is detected by the BIOS, but some few times it is. I needed to force a rescan so that I didn't have to be rebooting all the time! :/ You don't really need to rescan the IDE bus. Linux doesn't use the BIOS for disk access, it just needs it for booting (the same applies to most modern PC operating systems). If you tell Linux to mount a device it will just try to mount the device, and if there's nothing there or the hardware doesn't work it will give you an error. By the way, SCSI is different. You actually do need to rescan a SCSI bus to pick up new devices. -- Michael Heironimus -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: proftp or wu-ftp?
On Thu, Sep 04, 2003 at 01:37:18PM -0700, Curtis Vaughan wrote: Ryan do you or does anyone have any instructions for a dim-wit like myself on how to set up proftp. I've got it installed and kind of operating, but how do I make it default to /home/ftp whenever ANYONE logs in. Hrmmm. I don't know of a howto or anything like that. I just went and looked at the proftpd example configs[1]. [1] http://proftpd.linux.co.uk/docs/example-conf.html -- Ryan Nowakowski Computer Support for Small Business and Individuals http://austincomputersupport.com pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: pptpd server - client
On Tue, Sep 02, 2003 at 08:24:08PM +0200, Mark Maas wrote: Hi All, I've been trying to get the pptp server (vpn server) working. And I think I succeeded! or perhaps not... I can connect from outside to the server, my login is validated and the connection is established. Syslog excerpt: [snip] But something is wrong, I can ping the inside nic (eth0 or 192.168.8.5) and the outside nic (eth1) but I cannot ping (or reach) any of the inside computers, for instance 192.168.8.50 Have you got IP forwarding enabled? Or some firewall rules getting in the way? Or when I try to ping google.nl after connection has been established I can see that DNS IS working! the name google.nl is perfectly resolved to 216.239.39.100 Odd. You don't happen to run a (caching) name server at the other end, do you? That could explain it. -- Karl E. Jørgensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://karl.jorgensen.com Today's fortune: Freedom of the press is for those who happen to own one. pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: New Savage driver with unstable?
* Evan Simpson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [030904 11:53]: Has anyone on this list been able to compile the new Free driver from S3 (http://www.linux.org.uk/~alan/S3.zip)? I have never built X before, but I downloaded the XFree86 4.2.1-11 source package, applied the patch, and managed to get most of it to compile. Of course, the Savage driver was the one part to fail :-( What version of the driver are you trying? I remember fiddling with it for a little while (never to the point of trying to compile X, though) before finding a deb (s3savage-driver), which is working just fine for me. I've got 1.1.23t-1. I don't remember where I got it, but I can send it your way if you want to give it a shot. good times, Vineet -- http://www.doorstop.net/ -- I am mortified to be told that, in the United States of America, the sale of a book can become a subject of inquiry, and of criminal inquiry too. -- President Thomas Jefferson pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: proftp or wu-ftp?
After editing /etc/pam.d/proftpd do I need to restart proftp? It doesn't seem to work: i.e., for whatever reason I am the only one allowed to log in. I can't log in under any other user period. Now, this may be due to the fact that I have a home directory on this server, no one else does. Curtis On Thursday, Sep 4, 2003, at 06:45 US/Pacific, Mark Roach wrote: On Wed, 2003-09-03 at 16:26, Curtis Vaughan wrote: [...] Right now I need to set up an ftp site that authenticated users can only access in order to download files. Authentication in our network is provided by LDAP w/PAM. I see that proftp has an LDAP package, which I have installed right now. So, it seems at first the better. Ultimately, we may be setting up additional Virtual hosts. You don't need to use a separate LDAP package, proftp uses pam for authentication, just twiddle your /etc/pam.d/proftpd -Mark -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: lm-sensors
Menno [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: fakeroot debian/rules kdist_image \ KSRC=/usr/src/kernel-headers-2.4.18-1-686 \ KVERS=2.4.18-1-686 KDREV=2.4.18-11 This ignores the kernel-source package you installed entirely, incidentally. But if it works, that's good to hear. But somehow it is depending on this. I got the following errors without the symbolic link to kernel-source-2.4.18, and that is also the reason why I made a copy of /boot/config-2.4.18-1-686 grep: /usr/src/linux/Makefile: No such file or directory grep: /usr/src/linux/include/linux/autoconf.h: No such file or directory grep: /usr/src/linux/.config: No such file or directory (last line repeating about 30 times) Yes, I know; that's an issue with the way the upstream Makefile is written. That error message shouldn't actually kill the build, and you can safely ignore it. -- David Maze [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://people.debian.org/~dmaze/ Theoretical politics is interesting. Politicking should be illegal. -- Abra Mitchell -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: proftp or wu-ftp?
On Thu, 2003-09-04 at 17:25, Curtis Vaughan wrote: After editing /etc/pam.d/proftpd do I need to restart proftp? No It doesn't seem to work: i.e., for whatever reason I am the only one allowed to log in. I can't log in under any other user period. Now, this may be due to the fact that I have a home directory on this server, no one else does. It could be, I know that proftpd will allow you to chroot ftp sessions to the user's home dir. I think you have to do that on purpose though. Have you tested your pam_ldap setup with other services to make sure it is correct? I think the default setup requires the user to have a valid shell (listed in /etc/shells) did you check that? What does getent passwd username show for a user who can't log on. Also, make sure that AuthPAM on is in your config file. As for the default path for users to see (mentioned in another message) I believe that all you need is a section like this: DefaultRoot /home/ftp or whatever path. It sounds like you really need to take a few minutes to go through the manpage for proftpd.conf to get a general overview of the options before you start trying to wrangle the config file. -Mark -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Tips for serial terminal file transfer?
On Thu, Sep 04, 2003 at 02:29:21AM +0100, Karsten M. Self wrote: on Tue, Sep 02, 2003 at 08:19:33AM +0100, Karl E. Jorgensen ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Mon, Sep 01, 2003 at 12:41:24PM +0100, Karsten M. Self wrote: I'm trying to bootstrap an old 486 Thinkpad. It's got two PCMCIA slots, and might make a decent gateway. [ getty/minicom/zmodem stuff: can't get it to work ] Why not run a laplink cable and run pppd at both ends? (remember to specify local to pppd). Or even plip? It won't be fast, but it should be much less cumbersome than uuenconde/shar or whatever. I've already tried both. Don't work :-( Hm. Since it sounds like that you have a laplink cable handy, I don't mind helping out with ppp (very remotely..). ppp symptoms? Settings? -- Karl E. Jørgensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://karl.jorgensen.com Today's fortune: The good thing about standards is that there are so many to choose from. -- Andrew S. Tanenbaum pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: GRUB hangs at boot
On Tue, 2003-09-02 at 11:51, Robert Fenech wrote: After having partitioned my hard disk (+ran fdisk /mbr) and installed the system GRUB hangs right after displaying the stage2 thing. I actually have a similar problem that I havent solved yet. I think it has something to do with IDE / DMA or something. It doesnt hang but it does take a while, maybe 2 - 3 minutes for it to come up to the menu. Have you tried waiting a little bit to see if is just slower and not hung ? Shri -- Shri Shrikumar U R Byte Solutions Tel: 0845 644 4745 I.T. Consultant Edinburgh, Scotland Mob: 0773 980 3499 Web: www.urbyte.com Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: overnet, mldonkey, which one??
On Thu, Sep 04, 2003 at 04:03:22PM +0200, Alfredo Valles wrote: Hi all. I have no experience with any internet file sharing system. Some one told me about overnet. I searched debian repositories for it and I came up with mldonkey, another program to do that. Now I readed a bit about this but still I don't feel like I can make the choice. Seems to me that overnet is better. Overnet have proxy support, I have not see this in mldonkey (maybe I miss it). Also mldonkey advice you to create a new acount for it to work should any hacker gets access to the machine. So I guess that it's not very secure. But seems to me that overnet isn't free, which is a big drawback. I'm looking for: 1- Easy of use. 2- Security. 3- Proxy support. (I live behind a firewall) 4- Work well in low bandwith. 5- Free (GPL) Kind of off-topic subject, however ... mldonkey is your friend: - supports overnet, edonkey, bittorent, limewire, gnutella P2P protocols and more. - core client architecture: telnet, GUI and web interface - reliable and very stable Drawbacks: search engine isn't that good (but you don't realy need it, do you?), likes memory ;) Save you some time trying out all the shiny clients and stick with mldonkey straight away. My 2 cts. -- .''`'. Olivier Robert : :' :# cat Earth | sed -e s/microsoft/debian/g Better_World `. `'` `- Debian - Just GNU it! _ Envie de discuter en live avec vos amis ? Télécharger MSN Messenger http://www.ifrance.com/_reloc/m la 1ère messagerie instantanée de France -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Duplicating installs across the network
on Mon, Sep 01, 2003 at 11:07:43PM +0200, Roberto Sanchez ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: The migration of my lab is nearly complete. The two servers are happily running Woody and so far I have one workstation running Sid, and I even managed to get VMWare installed and running properly on it. The last I need to do is get printing back up. Once that is done I will be ready to install Sid to the other nine workstations. I know that there are a whole host of tools out there that for imagining/backup, but I have no experience with any of them. Can anyone out there provide some pointers and insight? What do you all use? Does it work well? I really hope that there is an easy way to this, as I do not want to have to reinstall 9 machines from scratch. Personally, I'm fond of the Quick File Distribution Challenge posted to Advogato some time back: http://www.advogato.org/article/555.html Data replication across a (switched) network independent of nodes being populated. Peace. -- Karsten M. Self [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://kmself.home.netcom.com/ What Part of Gestalt don't you understand? Microsoft Trustworthy Computing: http://www.aaxnet.com/editor/edit033.html pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: overnet, mldonkey, which one??
Couldn't help it: Useless use of cat award! Olivier Robert said on Fri, Sep 05, 2003 at 12:08:08AM +0200: : :' :# cat Earth | sed -e s/microsoft/debian/g Better_World sed -e s/microsoft/debian/g Earth Better_World :) M pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: strace pppd: open(/dev/ttyS1, O_RDWR unfinished ...
on Wed, Sep 03, 2003 at 08:58:13PM +0200, Andrea Tasso ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Wed, Sep 03, 2003 at 03:04:20PM +0300 or thereabouts, Shaul Karl wrote: On Wed, Sep 03, 2003 at 06:49:15AM +0200, Andrea Tasso wrote: hi all, pppd does not connect any more (to another pc with null modem cable), it used to work perfectly. the command pppd -detach debug crtscts 192.168.6.1:192.168.6.2 lock /dev/ttyS1 38400 gives no output, and finally exits if I strace it the last string is open(/dev/ttyS1, O_RDWR unfinished ... my libc version is 2.3.2-3 and ppp 2.4.1.uus-5 What is written in the log file? Are you trying to run it as root? -- Shaul Karl,shaulk @ actcom . net . il nothing in the log file, I suppose at least (I checked many log in /var/log, the most common). I run pppd as root. grep -l pppd /var/log/* 2/dev/null Should be in /var/log/messages or /var/log/daemon.log Peace. -- Karsten M. Self [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://kmself.home.netcom.com/ What Part of Gestalt don't you understand? Defeat EU Software Patents! http://swpat.ffii.org/ pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: proftp or wu-ftp?
Got it working just before I got the replies. Actually, I found a how-to dealing with a OSX server, which pointed me in the right direction. Seems to be working now. Thanks! Curtis On Thursday, Sep 4, 2003, at 14:40 US/Pacific, Mark Roach wrote: On Thu, 2003-09-04 at 17:25, Curtis Vaughan wrote: After editing /etc/pam.d/proftpd do I need to restart proftp? No It doesn't seem to work: i.e., for whatever reason I am the only one allowed to log in. I can't log in under any other user period. Now, this may be due to the fact that I have a home directory on this server, no one else does. It could be, I know that proftpd will allow you to chroot ftp sessions to the user's home dir. I think you have to do that on purpose though. Have you tested your pam_ldap setup with other services to make sure it is correct? I think the default setup requires the user to have a valid shell (listed in /etc/shells) did you check that? What does getent passwd username show for a user who can't log on. Also, make sure that AuthPAM on is in your config file. As for the default path for users to see (mentioned in another message) I believe that all you need is a section like this: DefaultRoot /home/ftp or whatever path. It sounds like you really need to take a few minutes to go through the manpage for proftpd.conf to get a general overview of the options before you start trying to wrangle the config file. -Mark -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
OT: RAID Controllers
I'm still a little new to the RAID side of the world and the hardware howto doesn't have the information I'm looking for. Does anyone have any recommendations for good hardware RAID(5) controllers (mainly SCSI, but possibly IDE too) that are supported by Linux? TIA, Jacob - GnuPG Key: 1024D/16377135 In a world without fences, who needs Gates? http://www.linux.org/ pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Duplicating installs across the network
Karsten M. Self said on Thu, Sep 04, 2003 at 11:24:20PM +0100: I know that there are a whole host of tools out there that for imagining/backup, but I have no experience with any of them. Can anyone out there provide some pointers and insight? What do you all use? Does it work well? I really hope that there is an easy way to this, as I do not want to have to reinstall 9 machines from scratch. I've been using systemimager for over a year now, and it rocks. Fully automatic network installations, pretty easy to setup automatic client updates. http://www.systemimager.org is the orignal site, but it's well packaged in Debian. M pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Piping the output of bash completion; command line navigation
on Thu, Sep 04, 2003 at 12:43:04AM -0700, Josh Rehman ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
Hi,
I was wondering if it is possible to grep through the output of bash
command line completion. If you type k and then tab twice, you'll be
asked to show all 398,499 entries on your path, y or n. Hit y and a big
list comes up. Seems like it would be nice to search through that list,
but there is no obvious way to pipe it to anything (like grep).
This should be equivalent:
for d in $( echo $PATH | sed -e 's/:/ /g' ); do ls $p/k*; done | less
Did some digging and found complete but it wasn't very helpful (it's
a bash built-in and the man pages are terse). Am I messing up the
command line? I tried stuff like complete -o default k but it just
didn't take. Google was little help.
'complete' is the action, not the command. tab completes file
substitution to the next non-arbitrary point. Repeat tab lists
alternatives, as you've found.
'complete-into-braces' (M-{) might give you what you want:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:karsten]$ k
Display all 191 possibilities? (y or n)
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:karsten]$ k # hit shiftalt{
k{eysign-fingerprint,[EMAIL PROTECTED],noppix}
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:karsten]$ echo k{eysign-fingerprint,[EMAIL PROTECTED],noppix}
keysign-fingerprint [EMAIL PROTECTED] knoppix
While I'm at it, is there a way to make CTRL+Left Arrow move one word
to the left on the command line? And similiarly for right? That would be
so great...IIRC DRDOS had that a long time ago. The win2k shell does
that, too. I don't even know where to start looking for this one. :-)
man bash
/^ *Readline Key Bindings
Specifically: forward-word and backward-word
Peace.
--
Karsten M. Self [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://kmself.home.netcom.com/
What Part of Gestalt don't you understand?
Unless you are very rich and very eccentric, you will not enjoy the
luxury of having a computer in your own home.
-- Ed Yourdon, _Techniques of Program Structure and Design_, 1975
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Re: OT: RAID Controllers
on Thu, Sep 04, 2003 at 05:35:02PM -0500, Jacob S. ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: I'm still a little new to the RAID side of the world and the hardware howto doesn't have the information I'm looking for. Does anyone have any recommendations for good hardware RAID(5) controllers (mainly SCSI, but possibly IDE too) that are supported by Linux? My experience strongly suggests SW RAID, or a good SCSI RAID controller. My experience with 3Ware cards on RAID 0/1/5 systems is decidely mixed, likely a combination of issues with both 3Ware and ATA drive flakiness. SCSI will be much more robust on both counts. Peace. -- Karsten M. Self [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://kmself.home.netcom.com/ What Part of Gestalt don't you understand? We are the unwilling... led by the unqualified... to do the unnecessary... for the ungrateful... -- GI in Vietnam, 1970 pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Dependency issue : resolving them, how ?
on Thu, Sep 04, 2003 at 09:44:41PM +0200, Joris Lambrecht ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Hi People, I'd like to know about some good tips to fix dependencies wich are broken because of more up-to-date libraries etc. Any help would be welcome, it is quite confusing as to why newer versions are obsoleted by older version dependency's. More detail and specifics would be useful. The output of apt-get|aptitude dist-upgrade|install, for example. Peace. -- Karsten M. Self [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://kmself.home.netcom.com/ What Part of Gestalt don't you understand? Defeat EU Software Patents! http://swpat.ffii.org/ pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: linux(knoppix
on Thu, Sep 04, 2003 at 12:52:35PM -0700, Hugo Vanwoerkom ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Je kunt er in het nederlands over praten hier: http://unix-gg.hobby.nl/forums/index.php?bn=unixgg_knoppix Pleae post to debian-user in English. There's no Dutch list, but you'll find French, German, and Danish. Thanks. -- Karsten M. Self [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://kmself.home.netcom.com/ What Part of Gestalt don't you understand? Sick of mal-formed websites? A stylesheet to override poor design: http://twiki.iwethey.org/Main/UserContentCSS pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: OT: RAID Controllers
On Thu, 4 Sep 2003 17:35:02 -0500, Jacob S. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm still a little new to the RAID side of the world and the hardware howto doesn't have the information I'm looking for. Does anyone have any recommendations for good hardware RAID(5) controllers (mainly SCSI, but possibly IDE too) that are supported by Linux? I myself use a hardware serial ATA RAID controller from 3ware, specifically the 3ware Escalade 8500. It is in the Linux kernel with a fully open-source kernel since the 2.2 series, and has worked very well for my needs. I'm not familiar with any other offerings for SCSI, as I haven't dealt with any SCSI components at all. But there are a lot of options out there; just wait for some more people to give you some more input. ;) It can do RAID 0, RAID 1, RAID 5, JBOD definetely, and some other RAID something that I can't think of right now (3?) -- Scott Christopher Linnenbringer [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.eskimo.com/~sl/info.txt [EMAIL PROTECTED] [NOTE: THIS MESSAGE IS DIGITALLY SIGNED WITH GNUPG/PGP] pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Routing
Mark Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Ok thanks, tried it but I get: SIOCADDRT: Invalid argument when I issue: route add -net 192.168.3.0 eth0 Include the netmask anyway: route add -net 192.168.3.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 eth0 or, if you prefer the short version (CIDR style address): route add -net 192.168.3.0/24 eth0 The manpage was presumably correct at some point, but it's wrong now. This was either a kernel or route change. The IP address class system has been largely obsoleted by CIDR, and that's made it inappropriate for either route or the kernel to try to guess a netmask for the most part. -- Kevin [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: RAID Controllers
On Thu, 4 Sep 2003 23:42:56 +0100, Karsten M. Self [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on Thu, Sep 04, 2003 at 05:35:02PM -0500, Jacob S. ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: I'm still a little new to the RAID side of the world and the hardware howto doesn't have the information I'm looking for. Does anyone have any recommendations for good hardware RAID(5) controllers (mainly SCSI, but possibly IDE too) that are supported by Linux? My experience strongly suggests SW RAID, or a good SCSI RAID controller. My experience with 3Ware cards on RAID 0/1/5 systems is decidely mixed, likely a combination of issues with both 3Ware and ATA drive flakiness. SCSI will be much more robust on both counts. Truthfully, SW RAID will probably be as flaky as you are describing for hardware ATA RAID. Probably the best bet is to do a SCSI hardware RAID array setup in any event. But I have been running a 3ware S/ATA hardware controller on a RAID 0 array without any problems noticable to me, but if he wants to setup RAID 5, he probably demands a mission-critical setup in which case SCSI wins. -- Scott Christopher Linnenbringer [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.eskimo.com/~sl/info.txt [EMAIL PROTECTED] [NOTE: THIS MESSAGE IS DIGITALLY SIGNED WITH GNUPG/PGP] pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: overnet, mldonkey, which one??
On Thu, Sep 04, 2003 at 03:26:50PM -0700, Mark Ferlatte wrote: Couldn't help it: Useless use of cat award! Olivier Robert said on Fri, Sep 05, 2003 at 12:08:08AM +0200: : :' :# cat Earth | sed -e s/microsoft/debian/g Better_World sed -e s/microsoft/debian/g Earth Better_World You got a point ;) Anyway, the spirit it is :) -- .''`'. Olivier Robert : :' :# cat Earth | sed -e s/microsoft/debian/g Better_World `. `'` `- Debian - Just GNU it! _ Envie de discuter en live avec vos amis ? Télécharger MSN Messenger http://www.ifrance.com/_reloc/m la 1ère messagerie instantanée de France -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: route issue
Nick Lindsell [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I have a problem with portsentry in that I cannot remove blocked IPs. The portsentry.conf is configured to use route add -host $TARGET$ reject for any $TARGET that crosses its path - in my previous experience route del -host $TARGET$ reject would remove the offender from the reject route. However on this machine I get SIOCDELRT: no such process and the target remains in the routing table. If you manually perform: route add -host 192.168.3.1 reject route del -host 192.168.3.1 reject does it still fail? Which Debian version of the net-tools package do you have installed? It works for me with net-tools 1.60-4 on the stable Debian 2.4.18-bf2.4 kernel. -- Kevin [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: overnet, mldonkey, which one??
On Thu, 4 Sep 2003 16:03:22 +0200, Alfredo Valles [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... Now I readed a bit about this but still I don't feel like I can make the choice. 1- Easy of use. 2- Security. 3- Proxy support. (I live behind a firewall) 4- Work well in low bandwith. 5- Free (GPL) Try giFT. giFT is actually just a daemon that sits in the background and manages connections to a variety of networks. Currently it can connect to the OpenFT and Gnutella networks officially, but unofficial plugins have been produced to connect to FasTrack which can't be made official for nonfree issues. The daemon will then listen on a local port to which a client can communicate. I have both used giFTcurs and giFToxic, preferring the latter. All of the above are available in the Debian unstable archive, and I have had no problems related to security utilizing the OpenFT and Gnutella networks, nor with the daemon itself. The issues would really only lie with a grossly malformed configuration (a tool should walk you through it easily) or any issues that would pop up in Gnutella, OpenFT or FasTrack. http://gift.sourceforge.net -- Scott Christopher Linnenbringer [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.eskimo.com/~sl/info.txt [EMAIL PROTECTED] [NOTE: THIS MESSAGE IS DIGITALLY SIGNED WITH GNUPG/PGP] pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: overnet, mldonkey, which one??
* Mark Ferlatte ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [030904 15:16]:
Couldn't help it:
Useless use of cat award!
Olivier Robert said on Fri, Sep 05, 2003 at 12:08:08AM +0200:
: :' :# cat Earth | sed -e s/microsoft/debian/g Better_World
sed -e s/microsoft/debian/g Earth Better_World
Or this less-frequently-seen form:
Earth sed -e s/microsoft/debian/g Better_World
I prefer it on the one hand because it's a more accurate visual
representation of the logical data pipeline, but it is less idiomatic.
Of course, sed can take a filename, so this is probably the best:
sed -e s/microsoft/debian/g Earth Better_World
Although, I think the regex replacement might be too simplistic. Would
Debian Windows XP really make the world a better place? ;-)
How about s/microsoft//g ?
good times,
Vineet
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OT: Works for hire (was Re: SCO identifies code?)
on Mon, Aug 18, 2003 at 06:56:33PM -0700, Bill Moseley ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Mon, Aug 18, 2003 at 09:33:03PM -0400, Bijan Soleymani wrote: What's more extreme is the view that *any code* you write while being employed by them is their property. Even code you write in your spare time. I mean I think to some extent this can be defended especially if it's in the same field. Because you could slack off on your real work and do your version of the thing on the side for profit. Example the guys working at ebay start their own auction site (in direct competition with ebay) on the side and spend their spare time working on that. How moral is that? I mean that doesn't even have to do with copyright so much as common sense. I can see where if you hire someone to create something for you, and you pay them to do it then it's yours. People commission artists all the time for private work. Clearly, there should be a way to protect your investment in development. As Ebay you wouldn't want to pay programmers to develop your code and then allow them to take that and compete. Not very fair competition. Sorry to drag up this old thread, but there's some bogus data here. The issue is called works for hire. One landmark case actually involves a piece of art -- sculpture -- created for IIRC homeless rights group. The artist sued for copyright in the work. See: http://www.gigalaw.com/library/ccnv-reid-1989-06-05-p1.html The term work for hire is defined in the definitions section of 17 U.S.C. (the US copyright code): http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/101.html A ''work made for hire'' is - (1) a work prepared by an employee within the scope of his or her employment; or (2) a work specially ordered or commissioned for use as a contribution to a collective work, as a part of a motion picture or other audiovisual work, as a translation, as a supplementary work, as a compilation, as an instructional text, as a test, as answer material for a test, or as an atlas, if the parties expressly agree in a written instrument signed by them that the work shall be considered a work made for hire. which is why those of you who've contracted in the US generally find a rights assignment clause in your contract. I typically request that this be specifically limited to works created at the request of Company or similar language. In years of this practice, I've never had significant pushback on this issue. Unfortunately there's a lot of gray area. Programmers develop tools and idioms for doing common tasks. Clearly that's something that belongs to the individual programmer and not the company. If you work for one company developing some network code, you will likely use the same methods writing another program that is also network aware. This falls to an extend under noncompete law, which is governed in the US by state, and can vary tremendously. New York State, for example, is particularly employee-unfriendly in this regard. I'd strongly recommend perusing an article by a friend of mine who ran into conflict when a general-use method he wanted to contribute to Perl caught the attention of his employer: Professional Employees and Works for Hire http://perlmonks.thepen.com/153046.html The upshot was that an informal arrangement between tilly and his immediate supervisor was countermanded by corporate counsel and management. As tilly hadn't completed implementation of the concept, he refused to do so, and negotiated an arrangement by which he would remain with his employer for a period of time, with benefits accruing, etc. He left this employer in May, moved to California, and is working under far more favorable law, at a better salary, and with a team he enjoys, not to mention a disgustingly brief commute and sweet pad. His former employer is down their star employee of the past six years. Peace. -- Karsten M. Self [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://kmself.home.netcom.com/ What Part of Gestalt don't you understand? Defeat EU Software Patents! http://swpat.ffii.org/ pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: route function of actiontec 1524, please help
On Fri, Sep 05, 2003 at 03:22:35AM -0400, eric wrote: Dear [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I had actiontec 1524 dsl modem, firmware 1.60.50.0.51, with one pc (wtih linux, redhat 9) Please stop cc'ing debian-user on things that don't concern Debian. (I wouldn't normally copy this to you directly, but I want to make absolutely sure you see this. You've been doing this a fair bit recently.) Thanks, -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bugzilla broken in sid?
Hello, I tried installing bugzilla (in SID) and it wouldn't complete installation. Anyone have any news on this? I tried looking on and searching the lists, but didn't find anything. Thanks, Kevin -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Pipping the output of bash completion; command line navigation
Josh Rehman wrote: Hi, I was wondering if it is possible to grep through the output of bash command line completion. If you type k and then tab twice, you'll be asked to show all 398,499 entries on your path, y or n. Hit y and a big list comes up. Seems like it would be nice to search through that list, but there is no obvious way to pipe it to anything (like grep). 'script' lets you log complete sessions to a file. You could to something like (Sorry for the german output): [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ script Script wurde gestartet, die Datei ist typescript [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ kTABTAB Display all 162 possibilities? (y or n) y [...] [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ exit Script wurde beendet, die Datei ist typescript [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ less typescript HTH, Stefan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Routing
Kevin Buhr [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: route add -net 192.168.3.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 eth0 Oh, and David Z Maze is probably correct. Even if this works, it probably isn't what you want to do anyway. When you only brought eth0 up and were able to reach the 192.168.3/24 and 10.1.0/24 networks, what did your routing table look like? If you had a 192.168.8.0/255.255.255.0 route to eth0 and a default route to a specific gateway machine (say 192.168.8.1), then packets to those other networks were going out via that gateway machine and you want to duplicate that environment in your new configuration. -- Kevin [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: RAID Controllers
hi ya jacob On Thu, 4 Sep 2003, Jacob S. wrote: I'm still a little new to the RAID side of the world and the hardware howto doesn't have the information I'm looking for. Does anyone have any recommendations for good hardware RAID(5) controllers (mainly SCSI, but possibly IDE too) that are supported by Linux? supported hw raid controllers http://www.linux-ide.org/chipsets.html if your chipset is not listed ... you're gonna have some fun lsi or adaptec chipset based controllers would be my choice if you want to make ide look like scsi drives - 3ware escolades works good when properly configured ( but dont try hot-swp ... i prefer software ide raid, and use the extra $$$ saved on hw raid controller on extra servers and extra disks instead - raid1 is worthless for stuff i do ... - raid5 is okay when you have 2 independent raid5 arrays - i build raid for large data storage .. not necessarily speed and thruput ... though it has to be fast enough and NOT noticeably slow testing your raid setup - unplug /dev/sda or /dev/hda - it should still keep working and see if you got any error messages that your raid is not longer raiding - repeat for each drive including replacing with a virgin disk - right now you can get maxtor 8MB buffer 7200rpm 160GB ide disks for $80 each at fries -- 5x $ 80 -- $400 in disks for 800GB of space !!! try building that raid subsystem capacity with scsi ... :-) more raid fun http://www.1U-Raid5.net c ya alvin -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
mutt: thread reconstruction?
I'm subscribed to a mailing list in which message-ID and references are being rewritten by an utterly broken mailing list manager (Communigate Pro). This breaks threading badly: http://guildenstern.dyndns.org/~karsten/cni-thread.png http://guildenstern.dyndns.org/~karsten/cni-nothread.png Both the Message-ID and References headers are being munged. I'd like suggestions on how I might go about restoring at least pseudo-threading of articles, though I'm also posting to the list on this matter. Peace. -- Karsten M. Self [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://kmself.home.netcom.com/ What Part of Gestalt don't you understand? Windows Refund Day II: fight for your right to refund http://www.windowsrefund.net/ pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: OT: RAID Controllers
On Thu, 2003-09-04 at 17:35, Jacob S. wrote: I'm still a little new to the RAID side of the world and the hardware howto doesn't have the information I'm looking for. Does anyone have any recommendations for good hardware RAID(5) controllers (mainly SCSI, but possibly IDE too) that are supported by Linux? MegaRAID has always been good to Linux. Being a DBA, I'd only specify RAID controllers with lots of cache and a battery backup. For rack-mount systems, I'd choose simple raid controllers, and a storage controller (invisible to Linux, since it's behind the RAID controller) that has upwards of 512MB cache and on-line changeable cache batteries. (It's the storage controller that is what the drives plug into. The DEC/Compaq/HP HSZ80 is my favorite. -- - Ron Johnson, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jefferson, LA USA All machines, no matter how complex, are considered to be based on 6 simple elements: the lever, the pulley, the wheel and axle, the screw, the wedge and the inclined plane. Marilyn Vos Savant -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: route function of actiontec 1524, please help
eric [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I had actiontec 1524 dsl modem, firmware 1.60.50.0.51, with one pc (wtih linux, redhat 9) with one static ip, I want to broadcast webserver by above but when I type in my (static ip) in my browser, it show the modem configuration page, not my apache test page which I suppose to see. I don't have an Actiontec modem, but it looks like it's a combination DSL modem and NATting router. Working from their user manual, I gather that---under the WAN IP Address advanced setting page---you've set the modem up to either obtain its (static) IP address automatically or you've specified the static IP address manually. In particular, you don't have transparent bridging enabled, so your WAN IP address is your global static IP address and your RedHat machine is obtaining a 192.168.0.xxx IP address from the modem via DHCP, right? If this is correct, I'd suggest that you begin by entering the advanced configuration and double-check that remote management is disabled and that, on the port forwarding screen, you have an entry that will forward packets for TCP port 80 to the *internal* IP address, say 192.168.0.2, of your PC. Now, even with everything set up this way, it may *still* be the case that when you http://my.static.ip/; from within your internal network, you get the configuration pages for your modem (or you get nothing at all). In fact, this probably *is* what will happen; it's just a pecularity of how NAT works. The only way to get to your RedHat webserver from your internal network will be to do http://192.168.0.2/;. The key is whether or not a buddy, connecting from the *outside* to http://my.static.ip/; gets your RedHat webserver or not. -- Kevin [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Dependencies and .deb vs creating .deb's from source code
on Thu, Sep 04, 2003 at 09:43:06PM +0100, Chris Wilcox ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Hi all, I'm currently involved in a Debian-distro based project which aims to create an Internet caching product for schools which would hopefully take the form of a Debian install CD which would install relevant packages from CD and then update when required from the Internet via existing servers where possible and our own servers for deb packages which we need to create ourselves (This is a very basic description!). See apt-proxy. Your solution will almost certainly use it to a greater or lesser extent. Sounds like what you want to do is manage your own mirrors, for the most part. We're currently debating which will be easier in relation to creating and maintaing the packages we'll need. From those in the know, are we better doing either of the following: 1) We alter existing deb's and from that point forth need to check the debian package list for updates, get them and their dependencies, alter them and host them See above. If there are general docs on setting up a Debian mirror, read 'em. 2) We use stable source code, create our own deb's, host them, check the web sites for the relevant package for updates important enough to make use create a new deb package and host that This can be accomplished to a certain extent through pinning. That is, define sources and a release level, but include additional sources (also proxied) which can be explicitly installed, if necessary. How will we be affected by dependencies on other apps with either of the above? Probably horribly. I'm curious as to what you're changing from base Debs that's so crucial to isolate yourself from the mainstream Debian distro, and why you feel you have to do this. We currently have a blank canvas to work from which is based around the bf24 kernel install of Debian with only the C++ Development option installed. Peace. -- Karsten M. Self [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://kmself.home.netcom.com/ What Part of Gestalt don't you understand? TWiki: documentation for the GNU millennium. http://twiki.org/ pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: problem with mutt and imap
* Dan Hunt [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2003-09-04 11:22]: set ssl_starttls=no And try to connect. Just a WAG, but it might help. Great guess, fixed that right up. Excellent! Glad I could help. Regards, -- dave [ please don't CC me ] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New Savage driver with unstable?
Vineet Kumar wrote: What version of the driver are you trying? Brand new one, released by S3, not related to Tim Roberts' driver series. It supports DRI and OpenGL, among other niceties. See: http://www.probo.com/pipermail/savage40/2003-July/38.html I've got 1.1.23t-1. That's the last release from Tim Roberts. Cheers, Evan @ 4-am -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: AnyOne know if apt-build can make Apache2 work with php4?
On Thu, 2003-09-04 at 12:35, John Foster wrote: Basicaly what it says. I want to get Apache2 to work with php4. I found a .rpm at SuSe that I converted with alien but it depends on prefork. I do not like prefork. php4 in debian still has apache-common 1.3 as a dependency so even with the module installed and apache configured with prefork it still requires apache-common 1.3. I am VERY surprised that there is not already a php4 module for apache2 in Debian. Any ideas on getting this to work would be greatly appreciated. Maybe someone is working on this and needs a testerWELL HERE I AM!!! -- John Foster Hi- This is so odd... I was about to write a similar email I am trying to get APache2 and PHP working. But everytime I install it it requires Apache. I finally got it to install but the apache2.conf file is never built and all of the modules are for 1.3 not 2.0. I am assuming that something is wrong on my end but I can't seem to figure it out. I would also be willing to test for someone... Kevin -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
dynamic dns IP assignment from behind router
Hi folks, I'm trying to get a dynamic dns client working on my home machines. The home connection is dsl (bell sympatico in Canada), and works fine, but the IP seems to be changing more often nowadays than it used to. I've set up a little network between my office and my home, so it's somewhat important for me to have some way of knowing what my home IP is when I'm at work... dynamic dns seems to be the answer. At home, 3 computers (1 debian desktop, one debian laptop, one windoze xp laptop) sit behind an SMC Barricade router. IP assignment on this intranet seems to work fine, and I only mention it b/c I suspect the router plays into some of my difficulties (see below). So I went and got an account at dyndns.org (mmtprice.dyndns.org). Set up through their web interface works without a hitch, and I'm able to change the IP address assigned to the domain name instantaneously on the web site. I verified this from a couple of different computers using ping. Unfortunately, though, I haven't yet been able to get any of the dynamic dns clients available in debian to actually remap the hostname correctly. I've tried and failed with both ddclient and ipcheck, leading me to wonder whether (a) I'm missing some basic point, or (b) there's some serious problem with my setup. -- neither script seems to be able to interact well with my router, though both have switches that are meant to get IP data from the SMC router. -- so I've resorted to using checkip.dyndns.org to figure out what my IP address is. --ddclient seems to be ble to figure out the address, but as far as I can tell it doesn't actually SET the IP at dyndns.org. Unfortunately ddclient doesn't have very verbose messaging, so I'm not exactly sure what's going wrong. One thing I noticed is that I do not get an error message if I change my username or password, suggesting to me that whatever goes wrong happens before this stage. For reference, here's my /etc/ddclient.conf # Configuration file for ddclient generated by debconf # # /etc/ddclient.conf pid=/var/run/ddclient.pid protocol=dyndns2 # use=if, if= server=members.dyndns.org login=WishYouKnew password=NotTelling # use=smc-barricade, fw=192.168.2.1:80 # fw-login=admin # fw-password=WontSay use=web, web=checkip.dyndns.org, fw-skip='IP Address' mercey.dyndns.org mprice.dyndns.org - ddclient gives the following responses: # ddclient -daemon=0 -query use=if, if=eth0 address is 192.168.2.198 use=if, if=lo address is 127.0.0.1 use=web, web=dyndns address is 67.69.252.101 ^^^ this is the address I want # ddclient -daemon=0 WARNING: unable to determine IP address -- Isn't that kinda wierd? Anyone know what's going on? thanks as always, matt -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
spamassassin: whitelist_from_rcvd ?!?!
Wow! I have just discovered a serious mis-judgment by the spamassassin folks, or possibly by the debian maintainer of spamassassin! /usr/share/spamassassin/60_whitelist.cf This file contains ``Default whitelists'' ... ``addresses which send mail that is often tagged (incorrectly) as spam ...'' amazon.com walmart.com orbitz.com I don't know about any of you; but, I really want the opportunity -- up front -- to decide *FOR MYSELF* whether or not I consider the email sent to me from these sites to be spam. Frankly, I regularly receive spam from orbitz, and recently I have received spam from amazon. By spam, I mean email for which I have made *NO* request, and have no desire to receive . . . What do you think? -- Best Regards, mds mds resource 877.596.8237 - Dare to fix things before they break . . . - Our capacity for understanding is inversely proportional to how much we think we know. The more I know, the more I know I don't know . . . -- pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Restoring system after MB/processor upgrade
On Thu, 2003-09-04 at 16:22, Karsten M. Self wrote: on Thu, Sep 04, 2003 at 12:07:04AM -0400, Neal Lippman ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: I'm thinking about upgrading my system from its current AMD Athlon XP based system to a P4 (actually, I need to put together a new system for my son, so I'm thinking of giving him my current MB/processor and putting a new MB/processor into my system). Obviously, I don't want to lose my current testing installation in the process. I'm hoping that an MB/processor swap into the case and a reboot will leave me just with a rerun of modconf to change installed modules to match the new hardward's ethernet and sound cards (I'm goign to reuse my current video card) and I'll be back in business. Most likely, nothing's going to change. That was my assumption / hope...but you never know. There are no drivers specific to the CPU (mostly), though there are kernel flavors specific to specific kernel architectures. If you're upgrading CPUs within the P4 familiy, it's a transparent change. Well, I'm going from an Athlon XP to a P4 system; the new system will probably by i865 based - as far as I can tell, 2.4.21 supports the 865 chipset. With sATA, on board lan, etc, there will be some modconf'ing to do. The only package I am aware of that is specifically compiled for the K7 platform is mplayer, so I'll obviously need to remove and reinstall the 586 platform version. Best bet is to have bootable media (boot floppy, Tom's Root Boot, LNX-BBC, Knoppix) handy. I always keep a tom's root boot handy just in case (it's also helpful at work when I need to reboot a windows workstation into Linux too g). -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Routing
David Z Maze wrote: Mark Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [snip] when only eth0 is up I can reach my local lan, 192.168.8.0-255, the lan of another firm, 192.168.3.0-255 and yet another firm, 10.1.0.0-255. But when I bring up eth1, I can only reach my local lan, and not the other two anymore. My guess is that everything other then 192.168.8.0-255 is thought to be Internet so it tries the eth1 nic. Which will not answer. Now how do I tell Debian to route all traffic for 192.168.3.0-255 and 10.1.0.0-255 over the eth0 interface? You probably need to use /sbin/route to tell the machine that there are routes to 192.168.3.0/24 and 10.1.0.0/24 (/16?) via the gateway machine on 192.168.8.0/24. This will look something like: route add -net 192.168.3.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 gw 192.168.8.1 route add -net 10.1.0.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 gw 192.168.8.1 (Just using 'dev eth0' tells route to spew packets for those networks on to the local network, which isn't what you want.) Once you see that is working for you, add those lines to /etc/network/interfaces in the eth0 block, eg: iface eth0 current options like inet and dhcp or static [other options you may have set] up route add -net 192.168.3.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 gw 192.168.8.1 up route add -net 10.1.0.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 gw 192.168.8.1 That way when your other interface comes up later and becomes the default route, these static routes are already there and you didn't have to remember to type the route add commands. see man 5 interfaces for more details. -- Jacob -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
CUPS alternative?
Hello, after minor difficulties I've gotten cups to work on my decrepit laptop, using a brother hl-1440 laserprinter (the printer interprets PostScript on its own, though I think it doesn't use the Adobe interpreters). Right now it seems to be working well (though for a while it was printing strangely at unpredictable intervals, and I keep worrying it will resume its ugly old habits). But I only have 96 megs of ram, and cups seems unnecessarily lrge, given that I don't want to act assa printserver or anything. I DO, however, want to print pretty documents from OpenOffice one or two other programs (possibly sometimes gimp). Are there any workable alternatives to CUPS? Any alternatives that folks actually RECOMMEND using? It would be great to run a somewhat leaner print system... thanks again, matt -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: dynamic dns IP assignment from behind router
Matt Price wrote: Hi folks, I'm trying to get a dynamic dns client working on my home machines. The home connection is dsl (bell sympatico in Canada), and works fine, but the IP seems to be changing more often nowadays than it used to. I've set up a little network between my office and my home, so it's somewhat important for me to have some way of knowing what my home IP is when I'm at work... dynamic dns seems to be the answer. At home, 3 computers (1 debian desktop, one debian laptop, one windoze xp laptop) sit behind an SMC Barricade router. IP assignment on this intranet seems to work fine, and I only mention it b/c I suspect the router plays into some of my difficulties (see below). So I went and got an account at dyndns.org (mmtprice.dyndns.org). Set up through their web interface works without a hitch, and I'm able to change the IP address assigned to the domain name instantaneously on the web site. I verified this from a couple of different computers using ping. Unfortunately, though, I haven't yet been able to get any of the dynamic dns clients available in debian to actually remap the hostname correctly. I've tried and failed with both ddclient and ipcheck, leading me to wonder whether (a) I'm missing some basic point, or (b) there's some serious problem with my setup. -- neither script seems to be able to interact well with my router, though both have switches that are meant to get IP data from the SMC router. -- so I've resorted to using checkip.dyndns.org to figure out what my IP address is. I've been using this solution with ipcheck for a year now and it's worked very well. Start with lots of debugging and you should be able to figure it out. I never tried the ddclient and now that I think of it, I never used any .deb packages. These packages are small, stable and easy to install so I guess I just grabbed them from the dyndns.org website. but I do know I used ipcheck. I've since replaced all these worries with a smoothie (www.smoothwall.org) and it works great. -- No problem is so formidable that you can't just walk away from it. -- C. Schulz -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CUPS alternative?
Matt == Matt Price [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Matt Are there any workable alternatives to CUPS? Any Matt alternatives that folks actually RECOMMEND using? It would Matt be great to run a somewhat leaner print system... lpd? Between somewhere in 1994 until about a year ago I used the standard lpd package spooler with apsfilter and associated filters (mostly on Slackware, I switched to Debian somewhere in 2000). It worked great for me, and I'm not sure CUPS is any better (yet). Cheers! Shyamal -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mixing stable and testing
Vikki Roemer wrote: On Mon, Sep 01, 2003 at 04:27:36PM -0800, Greg Madden wrote: You would need to setup a /etc/apt/preferences file, add testing to yor sources.list, and use pinning. Even so libc6 (upgrade) will be a depend on anythig from Testing. For what you want, it may be safer/easier to use 'apt-source' and build the few packages you want. If you are lucky there won't be any depends or only a couple that you will have to also build. You may need to run 'apt-get build-dep' in order to build your package, you would get an error message to this effect. Um, ok, another stupid newbie question: how do I build a package from source? I downloaded metalog's source, but the package won't build if I use dpkg -b metalog-dir -- it comes up with errors in the DEBIAN/control file. Am I going about it the right way? I've compiled programs before, I've just never compiled a *package*. http://packages.debian.org/testing/admin/metalog.html Download source: http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/m/metalog/metalog_0.7beta-3.dsc http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/m/metalog/metalog_0.7beta.orig.tar.gz http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/m/metalog/metalog_0.7beta-3.diff.gz In same directory: dpkg-source -x metalog_0.7beta-3.dsc cd metalog_0.7beta dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc -rfakeroot cd .. dpkg -i metalog_0.7beta-3_i386.deb -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Getting XFree 4.3?
Jon Haugsand wrote: * Russell Shaw E: Sorry, broken packages I think by setting up apt-get pinning or something, these dependancies can be downloaded and installed automatically. However, i haven't figured that out, so i resolve these problems manually (it doesn't happen very often). Some of these errors may go away if you put this in apt.conf: APT::Default-Release testing; APT::Cache-Limit 1000; Also, put an official testing source into sources.list too. How? http://www.debian.org/mirror/ http://www.debian.org/mirror/list Primary mirrors: Norway ftp.no.debian.org /debian/ /debian-non-US/ http://ftp.no.debian.org/debian/ http://ftp.no.debian.org/debian-non-US/ Secondary Mirrors: NO Norway - ftp.no.debian.org /debian/ /debian/ debian.marked.no /debian/ Try in sources.list: For stable: deb ftp://ftp.no.debian.org/debian/ stable main contrib non-free For testing: deb ftp://ftp.no.debian.org/debian/ testing main contrib non-free For unstable: deb ftp://ftp.no.debian.org/debian/ unstable main contrib non-free Then do: apt-get update -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: spamassassin: whitelist_from_rcvd ?!?!
On Thu, 04 Sep 2003, Michael D Schleif wrote: I don't know about any of you; but, I really want the opportunity -- up front -- to decide *FOR MYSELF* whether or not I consider the email sent to me from these sites to be spam. To control the spam-emails before they are send to /dev/null I put this in my .procmailrc: # Spamassassin # :0fw | spamc :0: * ^X-Spam-Status: Yes caughtspam So using mutt I can deceide on my own if spam delivered to folder caughtspam should be definitive deleted. Oliver -- ... don't touch the bang bang fruit -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CUPS alternative?
On Thu, 4 Sep 2003 22:53:24 -0400 Matt Price [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are there any workable alternatives to CUPS? Any alternatives that folks actually RECOMMEND using? It would be great to run a somewhat leaner print system... lpd or lprng are still the best solutions. They are modular, i.e., you can have the functionality you wish without carrying around things you don't need, they have decent documentation, not a repetitive prayer like CUPS, and above all, they are transparent, i.e., they allow you to trace down any strange situation to the very point where things are breaking. This particular point can be extremely annoying if you first have to set up a webserver to do CUPS configuration, as CUPS is so authoritative to decide what you may know and see and what not. Once I had a breve conversation with one of the gimpprint developers who loves CUPS, but finally admited that there is nothing in CUPS you can't also do with lpd. CUPS seems to be designed for former windows users who need a graphical interface to set up a printcap file. For anybody else, even with more than enough RAM I would always recommend lpd or lprng. I use them with magicfilter, but apsfilter seems to do an equally good job. HTH -- Christoph Simon [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- ^X^C q quit :q ^C end x exit ZZ ^D ? help . -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Installing Debian on IBM Thinkpad X24
On Thu, 28 Aug 2003, Jaldhar H. Vyas wrote: So I got myself one of these nifty things. It's really nice but it won't be perfect until I can get Debian on it. Thanks to all those who replied. I now have the thinkpad dual-booting between Win2K (though I don't imagine much use for it.) and Debian. Hooking up a CD or floppy drive I'd already rejected as it would have been too boring and cost extra money. The suggestion to use a USB keychain drive was a good one. I definitely want to get one of these to store my GPG key and other sensitive data on but I'll do that later some time. I decided to go with Installing via TFTP. It is very straightforward (though the documentation I found was as usual not 100% accurate.) The one hurdle I faced was shrinking the windows partition to make room for Linux. Luckily IBM uses FAT32 instead of NTFS so I was able to use GNU parted. The Debian boot floppies don't have parted (the new Installer I'm told will.) so I had to actually start the installation process with Red Hat 9. After resizing and partitioning the drive I stopped that and started the Debian install. It went without a hitch. Even installing LILO on the MBR was uneventful which impressed me because I recall you had to do some voodoo with boot sectors to get Windows and Linux to co-exist in the past. After installing a minimal woody system I dist-upgraded it to sarge. So far though the only things I haven't configured are the wireless networking and the modem. The first should be very easy but the second could be a problem as it is a winmodem. But neither is very important to me right now. Everything else configured without a hitch. I'll write a full step-by-step HOWTO soon. -- Jaldhar H. Vyas [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi my name is stephany for quit a while now i have no sound and it keeps saying nmo audio device or no active mixer devices i w3nt to the control panel to install hardware but it wouldn't work any idea's? help!
Re: CUPS alternative?
Christoph Simon wrote: On Thu, 4 Sep 2003 22:53:24 -0400 Matt Price [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are there any workable alternatives to CUPS? Any alternatives that folks actually RECOMMEND using? It would be great to run a somewhat leaner print system... lpd or lprng are still the best solutions. They are modular, i.e., you can have the functionality you wish without carrying around things you don't need, they have decent documentation, not a repetitive prayer like CUPS, and above all, they are transparent, i.e., they allow you to trace down any strange situation to the very point where things are breaking. This particular point can be extremely annoying if you first have to set up a webserver to do CUPS configuration, as CUPS is so authoritative to decide what you may know and see and what not. Once I had a breve conversation with one of the gimpprint developers who loves CUPS, but finally admited that there is nothing in CUPS you can't also do with lpd. CUPS seems to be designed for former windows users who need a graphical interface to set up a printcap file. For anybody else, even with more than enough RAM I would always recommend lpd or lprng. I use them with magicfilter, but apsfilter seems to do an equally good job. HTH Which one is best? : gnulpr - GNUlpr printing system. lpr - BSD lpr/lpd line printer spooling system lpr-ppd - BSD lpr/lpd line printer spooling system lprng - lpr/lpd printer spooling system pdq - Simple printing system for workstations rlpr - A utility for lpd printing without using /etc/printcap tlpr - a Trivial LPR client Are there others? (i have a postscript laser and an epson stylus inkjet) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: spamassassin: whitelist_from_rcvd ?!?!
Oliver Fuchs [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2003:09:05:05:21:11+0200] scribed: On Thu, 04 Sep 2003, Michael D Schleif wrote: I don't know about any of you; but, I really want the opportunity -- up front -- to decide *FOR MYSELF* whether or not I consider the email sent to me from these sites to be spam. To control the spam-emails before they are send to /dev/null I put this in my .procmailrc: # Spamassassin # :0fw | spamc :0: * ^X-Spam-Status: Yes caughtspam So using mutt I can deceide on my own if spam delivered to folder caughtspam should be definitive deleted. That's terrific, Oliver; but, that has _nothing_ to do with my complaint. When an email comes in from amazon.com, and spamassassin finds amazon.com listed in /usr/share/spamassassin/60_whitelist.cf, then spamassassin gives that email a USER_IN_WHITELIST, which is scored thusly: -100.00 Obviously, it will take alot of other bad spammy things to raise the score for this email to = +5.0 ; -- Best Regards, mds mds resource 877.596.8237 - Dare to fix things before they break . . . - Our capacity for understanding is inversely proportional to how much we think we know. The more I know, the more I know I don't know . . . -- pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [OT] Why does X need so much CPU power?
On Thu, 2003-09-04 at 04:00, Colin Watson wrote: On Thu, Sep 04, 2003 at 01:01:19AM +0300, Micha Feigin wrote: Second is the fact that most people just use the OS they get with their computer and are afraid to try and replace it. Plus, they already paid for the M$ license (even if forcefully/unknowingly) so why switch to a free one after you already paid for something. Same thing with macs/osX, where its even harder to get linux to work. Linux need to change its public image and start coming pre-installed. You're aware that this has already started to happen, right? Lindows are/were doing exactly this with cheap PCs sold by Wal-Mart in the US. There is also the problem of too much options. Unlike M$ where people exactly what program does a given job, on linux there are 10, and when there are so many its actually sometimes harder finding the right one for you or even finding what programs there are to do a given job. Too much choice can sometime be as much a liability as not enough (as much as I like the options). My impression of Lindows has been that they're presenting single applications for each niche, fixing this problem for their target audience. I'm quite sure others will follow. As far as Debian is concerned, we have our niche of providing maximal choice and power and I think it's right that we stay there. Many of the early contributors to and leaders of Debian wanted to make it something that could work well as a base for more customized distributions, and that seems to be succeeding quite nicely. To those who say that Debian has too much flexibility and choice for Mr. Average, I say: that's OK. Not everything has to cater for Mr. Average, and that still doesn't stop us doing useful things one level back and catering for the people who cater for Mr. Average. Don't take from this that I don't like linux. I think its much better then M$ and there are no alternatives for me for some of the things that it offer, but its exactly those things that make, at list for the moment, to be a non-option for the Joe-Public m$ user. I think there's a lot of work to do before we're ready to replace the major proprietary operating systems completely, but the situation is improving year by year so I don't see any grounds for despair. The balance is still swinging Microsoft's way, but is beginning to tip with news of organizations like the city government of Munich and major banks switching over, which erode the document format lock-in that Microsoft Office has had for many years. Once organizations are no longer locked in to what the organizations they deal with use, the balance can only tip further. In my opinion, it's only after that happens when we need to be ready for home users. Office use leads this kind of thing, and is easier because businesses can afford to hire sysadmins and provide basic training to smooth over the wrinkles. Only after that happens on a large scale do you start getting lots of office workers thinking hey, I wonder if I could use this to handle things at home?, and so on. So I don't think it's necessary to prophesy doom because there are still problems that would confuse those who aren't so technically literate. We've got time to work on these, and it makes sense to be realistic about our audience in the meantime so that we don't do a disservice to those who are already interested and capable. I completely agree to you comments, I was just trying to point where are the problems with hitting the home niche. I never said that linux has arrived at a point that it ready to solve those problems. Even when it finally is it will probably be distributions like lindows providing customized distributions. I quite like the options debian give me and I try to start up m$ on my computer as little as possible, usually just to keep a backup of my girlfriends files in case she may want to work on them away from home. On that note, the debian package tree could be organized a little better it order to help finding the alternative programs for performing given tasks. This could be done with a field in the deb file linking it into some virtual tree. The problem with the current state is that its not always clear where to look for a given program. For example you may look for a sound editing program in any of kde/gnome/x11/sound. Also, the current implementation allows for only one value, where sometimes several are applicable. I am aware that this can be mostly done using search terms, but this method has its advantages, since searches to produce too many/little results, depending on the terms and description included. Also, sometimes you just have an idea of what to look for but you don't know exactly the term defining it. Cheers, -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Micha Feigin [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe.
Re: run win/dos file on linux, please help
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, Sep 03, 2003 at 04:15:24PM -0700, eric lin wrote: I had win/dos format hardware firmware update file, like it run on linux, I tried wine, but not success Ask your vendor for a Linux version. If they refuse, ship them back the unit. - -- .''`. Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] : :' : `. `'` proud Debian admin and user `- Debian - when you have better things to do than fix a system -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/WAzsUzgNqloQMwcRAkfrAJ9pcR5GUW8gfmLyCs/0nHVaRlSjpACfWk5r 4ybU2G1hPvsQ0YeM+BFphQA= =hJV1 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: video playback problems
At Fri, 5 Sep 2003 01:51:16 +0200, David Sibai wrote: Unfortunately, I'm already using xv. When I mean it video playback stops, I really mean it stops: frozen screen. the sound plays fine, but instead of a video I get a still picture. Besides, as I said before I get the same problem with ogle. [...] One thing to try with mplayer is using mplayer -vo xv as it could be something to do with the video drivers in X Sounds like a sound card problemo to me. Are you by any chance using ALSA and VIA-based motherboard with built-in sound? Try fiddling with the controls in alsamixer, particulary the control libeled VIA DXS. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New Savage driver with unstable?
At Thu, 4 Sep 2003 14:10:47 -0700, Vineet Kumar wrote: * Evan Simpson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [030904 11:53]: Has anyone on this list been able to compile the new Free driver from S3 (http://www.linux.org.uk/~alan/S3.zip)? I have never built X before, but I downloaded the XFree86 4.2.1-11 source package, applied the patch, and managed to get most of it to compile. Of course, the Savage driver was the one part to fail :-( I would be interested in getting this included in the Debian's X packages. It's nice to be able to play tuxracer and chromium on my other computer (built-in Savage). It's the first opensource driver for the savage that supposedly provides hardware acclerated 3D. What version of the driver are you trying? I remember fiddling with it for a little while (never to the point of trying to compile X, though) before finding a deb (s3savage-driver), which is working just fine for me. I've got 1.1.23t-1. I don't remember where I got it, but I can send it your way if you want to give it a shot. That is old. The latest is 1.1.27t, which is the one included afaik in the sid X. The standalone drivers (source and binary) can be downloaded from: http://www.probo.com/timr/savage40.html IRC I once just copied over the binary into the proper xserver module directory. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: dynamic dns IP assignment from behind router
On Thu, 4 Sep 2003, Matt Price wrote: I'm trying to get a dynamic dns client working on my home machines. The home connection is dsl (bell sympatico in Canada), and works fine, but the IP seems to be changing more often nowadays than it used to. I've set up a little network between my office and my home, so it's somewhat important for me to have some way of knowing what my home IP is when I'm at work... dynamic dns seems to be the answer. I don't know about your provider, but my DSL connection is through Telus, and even though the dynamic IP address might change the hostname is static (x.bc.hsia.telus.net). You might want to check if this is so for you. If you do a reverse lookup on your IP address and the hostname returned does not contain the IP address it might be true for you as well. Regards, Terry. [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://haven.selterra.com/ - Public GPG Key: http://www.selterra.com/pubkeys/tcarney.asc -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
gdm/desktop password protected shutdown
I am using Debian Sid and I would like to enable graphical shutdown/reboot/halt of my system using either a menu item in my desktop (KDE/Gnome) or in the display manager (gdm). I don't want to enable it for everyone, just for people who know the root password, or even nicer, accounts that are sudo enabled for the shutdown command. I think it would be helpful if the person initiating the shutdown was given a message like 'The following users are logged in still, are you sure you want to shut down? (list) and an option for the amount of delay for the shutdown command or to wait before suspending, but that's far from an initial requirement. I tried adding gksu to the shutdown command in the gdm config file, and it didn't work. Shutdown disappeared from the 'system' menu in gdm. The same thing happened when I tried it with halt or suspend. I could add gksu shutdown entries to personal menus for people I want to have access to the command, or some shell window calling sudo (or gksudo if it were available). This still wouldn't seem as optimal as a system based on sudo for shutdown. I know RH systems have shutdown in the desktop environment. Is there any disadvantage to running shutdown before logging out of your desktop session, if root shutdown privileges were available to the user (which isn't the way the RH shutdown is configured)? There must be a good reason that it's not in the Debian Gnome or KDE menus already. I could just not have the system menu on GDM, I did that at first. I was annoyed with waiting for my display to switch modes to the Virtual Terminal so I could log in to run shutdown so I enabled the system menu. I also tried running shutdown with a conservative time parameter from an xterm then logged out of X. Both solutions seemed cludgy - at least not ones I want to explain to less technically inclined users. It is interesting that when I choose 'configure' from the system menu I am prompted for the root password. Is there a configuration setting I have overlooked to make it do the same root password prompt for other system menu items? I have looked into this, but it seems I haven't looked in the right places. Any pointers to projects implementing this, old discussions that have already hashed the topic to death, or insight to the best way to implement this is appreciated. Jacob -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Linux permissions and which(1)
I was looking at the source code to the which(1) command (apt-get source
which = which-2.14 ).
As you might imagine, which(1) prepends the path to a name, checks if
it exists and then checks if it's executable by the current process
(your uid).
In the which package is a file bash.c that contains the following
code. At this point the file has been found and now it's just checking
permissions.
/* If we are the owner of the file, the owner execute bit applies. */
if (user_id == finfo.st_uid X_BIT (u_mode_bits (finfo.st_mode)))
return (FS_EXISTS | FS_EXECABLE);
/* If we are in the owning group, the group permissions apply. */
if (group_member (finfo.st_gid) X_BIT (g_mode_bits (finfo.st_mode)))
return (FS_EXISTS | FS_EXECABLE);
/* If `others' have execute permission to the file, then so do we,
since we are also `others'. */
if (X_BIT (o_mode_bits (finfo.st_mode)))
return (FS_EXISTS | FS_EXECABLE);
else
return (FS_EXISTS);
This seems wrong, if I understand Linux permissions correctly. If you
are the *owner* of a file, then it's the *owner* permissions that count.
If the owner perms say you can't read it then it doesn't matter what the
group and other perms are.
In that code above if you are the owner but don't have execute perms
then it moves onto checking the group perms, and then other perms.
Am I crazy is is that code wrong?
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ cat t.c
#include stdio.h
int main( void )
{
printf(hello world\n);
return 0;
}
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ gcc -o t t.c
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ chmod 755 t
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ ./t
hello world
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ chmod 655 t
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ ./t
bash: ./t: Permission denied
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ ls -l t
-rw-r-xr-x1 moseley moseley 4161 2003-09-04 21:42 t
--
Bill Moseley
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?dm startup problems
On Thu, 2003-09-04 at 01:37, Andreas Janssen wrote: Hello Robert Rati ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: I'm running Debian unstable with the DRI trunk ATI drivers, and gdm just stopped starting. I used to use kdm as my display manager, but it exhibited the problems gdm is now displaying earlier. When either display manager attempts to start, I see the normal gray background X startup and the X mouse cursor, but before the background and login manager load it appears to crash. It tries to start several times, but is never able to. I can't find any reasons for this in the messages or XFree86.0.log files. kdm.log has this listed at the end: AUDIT: Wed Sep 3 19:02:45 2003: 968 X: client 2 rejected from local host Auth name: XDM-AUTHORIZATION-1 ID: -1 Xlib: connection to :0.0 refused by server^M Xlib: Protocol not supported by server ^M kdm_greet: cannot connect to X server :0 Does logging in on a console and using startx work? Yes. Running startx works just fine. It seems like it is somehow display manager specific. It seems like some kind of default configuration setting was changed. Rob -- | LI NN N U U X X O [EMAIL PROTECTED]2002-03 | LI N NN U U X Aka Khyron the Backstabber | LLL I N N UUU X X O | Those who can, do. | -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Linux permissions and which(1)
On Thu, Sep 04, 2003 at 09:45:53PM -0700, Bill Moseley wrote: I was looking at the source code to the which(1) command (apt-get source which = which-2.14 ). Just to add, the which(1) command installed on my Debian system is working correctly -- but only when I build which(1) from the source package: Filename: pool/main/w/which/which_2.14-4_i386.deb I just want to be clear that I'm understanding Linux perms correctly. -- Bill Moseley [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Linux permissions and which(1)
Bill Moseley wrote: I was looking at the source code to the which(1) command (apt-get source which = which-2.14 ). As you might imagine, which(1) prepends the path to a name, checks if it exists and then checks if it's executable by the current process (your uid). In the which package is a file bash.c that contains the following code. At this point the file has been found and now it's just checking permissions. /* If we are the owner of the file, the owner execute bit applies. */ if (user_id == finfo.st_uid X_BIT (u_mode_bits (finfo.st_mode))) return (FS_EXISTS | FS_EXECABLE); /* If we are in the owning group, the group permissions apply. */ if (group_member (finfo.st_gid) X_BIT (g_mode_bits (finfo.st_mode))) return (FS_EXISTS | FS_EXECABLE); /* If `others' have execute permission to the file, then so do we, since we are also `others'. */ if (X_BIT (o_mode_bits (finfo.st_mode))) return (FS_EXISTS | FS_EXECABLE); else return (FS_EXISTS); This seems wrong, if I understand Linux permissions correctly. If you are the *owner* of a file, then it's the *owner* permissions that count. If the owner perms say you can't read it then it doesn't matter what the group and other perms are. In that code above if you are the owner but don't have execute perms then it moves onto checking the group perms, and then other perms. Am I crazy is is that code wrong? After some simple tests, it seems wrong. -rw-r-xr-- and -rw-r--r-x aren't executable while -rwxr--r-- *is*. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: No audio/mixer device - was (no subject)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi my name is stephany for quit a while now i have no sound and it keeps saying nmo audio device or no active mixer devices i w3nt to the control panel to install hardware but it wouldn't work any idea's? help! It sounds like your sound (card/chip) wasn't built into the kernel and the module for driving it wasn't selected. Another possibility is that there is another error message: You do not have permissions to access /dev/dsp, which means you need to add your user to the 'audio' group. Do you know what type of sound card you have, or if it's an onboard chip, what chipset it is part of? Some newer chipsets are only supported by ALSA, and may not have a kernel module available to drive it. What release of Debian are you using (version # or name like Woody, Sarge or Sid)? What kernel are you using? (uname -a) Jacob P.S. For future posts: Try putting a subject line. Use just plain text formatted messages wrapped at 80 or less columns. When you reply, send it to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not directly to me and put your answer at the bottom of the existing text. See the Code of Conduct section: http://www.debian.org/MailingLists/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ?dm startup problems
Robert Rati wrote: On Thu, 2003-09-04 at 01:37, Andreas Janssen wrote: Hello Robert Rati ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: I'm running Debian unstable with the DRI trunk ATI drivers, and gdm just stopped starting. I used to use kdm as my display manager, but it exhibited the problems gdm is now displaying earlier. When either display manager attempts to start, I see the normal gray background X startup and the X mouse cursor, but before the background and login manager load it appears to crash. It tries to start several times, but is never able to. I can't find any reasons for this in the messages or XFree86.0.log files. kdm.log has this listed at the end: AUDIT: Wed Sep 3 19:02:45 2003: 968 X: client 2 rejected from local host Auth name: XDM-AUTHORIZATION-1 ID: -1 Xlib: connection to :0.0 refused by server^M Xlib: Protocol not supported by server ^M kdm_greet: cannot connect to X server :0 Does logging in on a console and using startx work? Yes. Running startx works just fine. It seems like it is somehow display manager specific. It seems like some kind of default configuration setting was changed. Rob If you edit /etc/gdm/gdm.conf to change the greeter type, gdm will run. See: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=208457 I know I had the gdm problem and was able to run xdm just fine. It isn't an X issue which is why you weren't getting the 'X is dying, want to reconfigure' screen, it's in a library that gdm is using. I don't know about kdm. You could search the kdm bug reports. Jacob -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
ms exchange to courier imap
can courier imap get emails to an exchange server? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: ms exchange to courier imap
They are both servers, so it's not clear what you mean. What are you trying to achieve ? Matt -- -Original Message- From: Louie Miranda [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, 5 September 2003 3:27 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: ms exchange to courier imap can courier imap get emails to an exchange server? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
