how to open a port?

[Hadi Motamedi]

Dear All
On my Lenny , I want to open tcp port 4965 but my server does not contain 
/etc/sysconfig/iptables . Can you please let me know how to open this port ?
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Re: Two Lenny problems

[Cecil Knutson]

Tony,
You said there was an ATA limit of 16 partitons on Lenny, but the HD on
the Dimension 8400 is a SATA.  Does that make a difference?


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Re: Two Lenny problems

[Cecil Knutson]

Tony,
> 
> Modern kernels use SCSI emulation for ATA and are restricted to 16 
> partitions per drive, so don't go wild here.  (LVM is not affected.)  
> The reduced limit has been a problem for some Fedora users.

The drive on the Dimension 8400 is a SATA, does that make a difference
in the number of partitions?


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Sony voice recorder on Lenny

[Girish Kulkarni]

Is there a way to access Sony voice recorders from a Lenny system?  I
am using model ICD-PX720; dmesg reports this when I plug that in: 

[ 5732.005617] usb 5-5: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 4 
[ 5732.136338] usb 5-5: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice
[ 5732.137559] usb 5-5: New USB device found, idVendor=054c, idProduct=0387 
[ 5732.137559] usb 5-5: New USB device strings: Mfr=1, Product=2, 
SerialNumber=0 
[ 5732.137559] usb 5-5: Product: Sony IC Recorder (PX) 
[ 5732.137559] usb 5-5: Manufacturer: Sony

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Re: Two Lenny problems

[Cecil Knutson]

Tony,
> 
> Modern kernels use SCSI emulation for ATA and are restricted to 16 
> partitions per drive, so don't go wild here.  (LVM is not affected.)  
> The reduced limit has been a problem for some Fedora users.

But the Dell has SATA, does that make a difference in the number of
partitions?


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Re: SpamAssassin not following private whitelist commands

[Ron Johnson]

On 2010-03-02 21:54, green wrote:

Ron Johnson wrote at 2010-03-02 19:38 -0600:

per-user whitelist addresses go in ~/.spamassassin/user_prefs with
the format:
whitelist_from  f...@bar.com



However, whitelisted accounts are still being scored as spam.  Any
thoughts?


Perhaps you need the line:
allow_user_rules 1
in /etc/spamassassin/local.cf


Thanks.  I'll see how that worked.

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Re: Capturing SWF video from URL

[i'll teach you to turn away.]

Siju George  wrote:

uh ok, i can't reply to your latest comment because of some 
stupid translation error in tin, but did you try refreshing it a bunch 
like it says? i usually get the link around refresh 7-8.

lish "figured out what you're good for:
cr...@got.net making anything look better." -uc


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Two Lenny problems

[Cecil Knutson]

Stephen,
Just finished installing Lenny on my Fujitsu which has on-board sound;
alsamixer says: PCM (100), Surround (MM), Center (MM), LFE (MM), Side
(MM), IEC958 (MM), IEC958D (00), PC Speak (100); Sound Preferences, in
the Sound Capture section, has a test sound choice which produced a
tone!; I opened up Epiphany to YouTube, made a selection and it played!
Sound works!!  The lack of a PCM on the Dell seems to be the critical
error, as you said.  The lspci output has the audio controller as an
Intel 82801FB and a multimedia controller as Phillips SAA7134/SAA7135HL
Video Broadcast Decoder.  My brother will get another sound card soon
and I will try the Dell again just to see what difference it makes.  And
Epiphany didn't hang when directed to hp.com or debian.org.


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Re: Capturing SWF video from URL

[Siju George]

On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 11:35 AM, i'll teach you to turn away.
 wrote:
> Siju George  wrote:
 What tools can I use in debian to capture
 http://cdn.livestream.com/grid/LSPlayer.swf?channel=joshuageneration&clip=pla_3c2b3ec1-9317-4fdd-8d60-e7e4d080db0c&autoPlay=true
> SG> I tried the Download Helper and Fast Video Downloader plugins for
> SG> Firefox but both dont work :-(
>
>        http://keepvid.com
>

not working  :-(

No links found on
http://www.livestream.com/joshuageneration/video?clipId=pla_3c2b3ec1-9317-4fdd-8d60-e7e4d080db0c

No links found on
http://cdn.livestream.com/grid/LSPlayer.swf?channel=joshuageneration&clip=pla_3c2b3ec1-9317-4fdd-8d60-e7e4d080db0c&autoPlay=true

>        next time, google for help first before you ask others.
>

why next time? I always do that :-) didn't find any help in google so
tried to ask experts ;-)

thanks for the link any way :-)

cheers

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Re: Capturing SWF video from URL

[i'll teach you to turn away.]

Siju George  wrote:
>>> What tools can I use in debian to capture
>>> http://cdn.livestream.com/grid/LSPlayer.swf?channel=joshuageneration&clip=pla_3c2b3ec1-9317-4fdd-8d60-e7e4d080db0c&autoPlay=true
SG> I tried the Download Helper and Fast Video Downloader plugins for
SG> Firefox but both dont work :-(

http://keepvid.com

next time, google for help first before you ask others.

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cr...@got.net  that they cannot appreciate our genius." -hc


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Re: SpamAssassin not following private whitelist commands

[green]

Ron Johnson wrote at 2010-03-02 19:38 -0600:
> per-user whitelist addresses go in ~/.spamassassin/user_prefs with
> the format:
> whitelist_from  f...@bar.com

> However, whitelisted accounts are still being scored as spam.  Any
> thoughts?

Perhaps you need the line:
allow_user_rules 1
in /etc/spamassassin/local.cf


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kismet & gpsd

[Dale]

Hi all,

I have a problem when using kismet 2008-05-R1-4.1 and gpsd
2.90.1~svn6819-1+b1 under Debian squeeze (testing)

When having gpsd enabled in kismet it causes gpsd to run at high cpu
usage ie 70 - 100%

Has anyone else come across this problem, and how do I stop kismet
from running gpsd at such high cpu usage? beside turning off gpsd in
kismet.

Regards
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SpamAssassin not following private whitelist commands

[Ron Johnson]

Hi,

(Up-to-date Sid system.)

SA, which is "attached" to Postfix, isn't doing what I think it 
should do.  According to instructions I found on the Intarweb, 
per-user whitelist addresses go in ~/.spamassassin/user_prefs with 
the format:

whitelist_from  f...@bar.com

(Yes, I restarted SA after adding the entries, and the machine has 
even been rebooted since then.)


However, whitelisted accounts are still being scored as spam.  Any 
thoughts?


Thanks.

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Re: Fresh Debian Install w/o Exim?

[thib]

You could always reinstall choosing the most basic system, [...]


I believe the base system (not the standard system task) pulled by the d-i 
currently installs exim as a Recommends dependency to cron.  Only way would 
be preseeds or plain debootstrap, I think.


-thib


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Re: host trying to connect using IPv6 without having IPv6 global address

[Mark Kamichoff]

On Tue, Mar 02, 2010 at 11:50:09PM +0200, Γιώργος Πάλλας wrote:
> It sits behind an ordinary adsl router, with no IPv6 capabilities, it
> gets its private 192.168.x.x address etc.
> 
> Now the problem is that it tries to connect to hosts returning quad-A
> records using IPv6, but it has no IPv6 global address. Ifconfig shows
> only  the normal 'link' IPv6 address. So, eventually it does not connect.
> 
> For example, using the browser I can't go to http://www.ipv6.org
> 
> Aptitude update stalls, writing:
> 
> 84% [Connecting to security.debian.org (2001:610:1908:a000::149:225)]
> 
> Or even:
> 
> $ telnet security.debian.org
> Trying 2001:610:1908:a000::149:225...
> 
> I would appreciate any help, because this problem starts to get me!
> 
> Below, in the bz2 file, I give a transcript of various useful command
> outputs, if someone bothers to dive into it! I include a telnet strace,
> netstat IPv6 output, ifconfig, my IPv6 routing table, and other things.
> Something I suspect is this entry in my routing table:
> ::/0   fe80::4432:f215:1283:2320  UGDAe 1024
> 090 eth2
> 
> should that be there?

This is the problem.  Issue an "ip -6 route del default" and you should
be all set.

I suspect at some point your host accepted an RA packet (possibly with
the 'M' flag set, which may explain the lack of an autoconfigured global
address) and set the default route to the LL address of the advertising
router.

- Mark

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Re: unexpected problem with icedove : hundred of storaged mails no longer have a body !

[thib]

Wow.  If you haven't already, you should immediately backup the box before 
trying some magic on it.  It's probably located at 
~/.mozilla-thunderbird/$profile/Mail/Local Folders/Inbox.


What's the size of the box?  If it looks too small, open it with a text 
editor or another mail agent and check if your older mails are actually in 
there.


If nothing is lost, you could firstly try compacting the box in thunderbird 
(right click on it, then "Compact").  That might fix the error as a 
side-effect, but I wouldn't bet too much money on it.


Can't think of anything clever, maybe someone has an idea.

Bonne chance.

-thib


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Pénz az Interneten - Akár napi 40.000 Ft

[Steve]

Hello,

Steve Terence vagyok.

Azért írok, mert kidolgoztam egy jó pénzkeresési lehetőséget.

Az Interneten, napi néhány órával, akár mellékesként is megkereshet, akár napi 
200 - 400 Eurót, ami most olyan 50 - 100.000.- HUF.

http://www.penzeso.com/?utm_source=mail01

Ez egy hatékony és teljesen ingyenes módszer.

Győződjön meg róla Ön is.

Kattintson ide : http://www.penzeso.com/?utm_source=mail01


Üdvözlettel:

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Re: IMAP timing issue-SOLVED

[Paul Cartwright]

On Tue March 2 2010, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
> Those are both the same protocol has far as what's "on the wire".  As a
> KMail user, I'd never use "IMAP" it has minimal caching so a server
> round-trip is required for most operations, including reading mail.  It
> would only be appropriate for a computer on the same LAN as the server, and
> even then only if the client could not spare the disk space for the cache.
>
> "disconnected IMAP" has some problems as well, but they aren't chronic the
> way the performance issues are with "IMAP".  Sometimes the caches/indexes
> get out of sync, but there are way to fix that from the GUI.

I created a new disconnected IMAP account, and it instantly brought in 87 
messages, 36 of them new, so I think that is the answer, thanks!

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Re: IMAP timing issue

[Paul Cartwright]

On Tue March 2 2010, Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
> I don't use kmail, but AIUI, it should only be loading the email
> _headers_ and not the entire emails. It should only load the email
> when she tries to view it. That said, if there are a whole lot of
> emails, it could still take a few seconds to load all the headers. But
> unless we're talking thousands of emails and a slow connection, it
> should still only take a few seconds. Iwould look at kmail and see
> whether it's pulling only headers or the entire emails.
ok, I just switched over to her account & clicked on the inbox ( which showed 
no emails). After sitting there for 2 minutes while it showed " retrieving 
headers"...
>
> > What can I do? I'm not that familiar with IMAP, would disconnected IMAP
> > be better?
>
> disconnected IMAP might help because it would have a local copy to
> load, speeding the process. But I suspect that's not really the
> problem.
that might help.
>
> BTW, what do you mean by "forever?

more than 2 minutes?


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Re: debian-user-digest Digest V2010 #364

[Jason Filippou]

> I have no idea on how kdeglobals is recreated, but the culprit may in whatever
> recreates it. That' s why, in my case moving away both .kde and .kde4 did
> work. Now, maybe moving only one of the 2 should have be sufficient, but I did
> not want to spend to much time on it.
> Thierry

Apparently the newest updates have made it hard for me to run kde
effects and I suspect that it is kde effects that crashed in the first
place. I followed the advice that Thierry have and after deleting my
.kde4 folder I was able to log into kde, but of course I had to set up
the entire session again (gtk and qt co-ordination, layouts and
switching, default apps, etc), which was rather tedious. However, I am
unable to run kde effects the way I used to. When I try to enable them
through system settings, first I see that the "Compositing state" area
is grayed out and bearing the message "compositing is disabled".
Here's the relevant screenshot:

http://s128.photobucket.com/albums/p190/Bulgarian_Toothpaste/?action=view¤t=nocompositing.png

If I click on "apply" right there I'll get a message saying that
compositing couldn't be activated and the entire GUI crashes, forcing
me to either kill the X server or restart/power down with keyboard
combinations. If, however, I play a smart one and choose "xrender" in
the "advanced" tab, I'm able to start compositing. Numerous effects
don't work, though, including desktop cube and wobbly windows (I get
notifications from the kde windows manager that they could not be
started).

Now, I do realize that this is a debian and not an ubuntu list, yet I
don't see why I shouldn't be frustrated when my functionality (cube)
and aesthetics (wobbly) are suddenly broken. I can work without
effects, but why should I not have the option to use them in their
entirety?

My system runs on an Nvidia GT 220 with the latest drivers downloaded
from their website:

http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_display_ia32_190.53.html

Any information as to what might've been broken by the newest updates
would be greatly appreciated. I'm probably registering on the KDE
forum to ask the same questions as well.

Cheers,

Jason


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host trying to connect using IPv6 without having IPv6 global address

[Γιώργος Πάλλας]

Hello to all!

I am having the following strange problem on a fully updated squeeze.

It sits behind an ordinary adsl router, with no IPv6 capabilities, it
gets its private 192.168.x.x address etc.

Now the problem is that it tries to connect to hosts returning quad-A
records using IPv6, but it has no IPv6 global address. Ifconfig shows
only  the normal 'link' IPv6 address. So, eventually it does not connect.

For example, using the browser I can't go to http://www.ipv6.org

Aptitude update stalls, writing:

84% [Connecting to security.debian.org (2001:610:1908:a000::149:225)]

Or even:

$ telnet security.debian.org
Trying 2001:610:1908:a000::149:225...

I would appreciate any help, because this problem starts to get me!

Below, in the bz2 file, I give a transcript of various useful command
outputs, if someone bothers to dive into it! I include a telnet strace,
netstat IPv6 output, ifconfig, my IPv6 routing table, and other things.
Something I suspect is this entry in my routing table:
::/0   fe80::4432:f215:1283:2320  UGDAe 1024
090 eth2

should that be there?


Thanks for any help,
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Re: ACPI problem on linux-image-2.6.32-trunk-amd64 powering off

[Stephen Powell]

On Tue, 2 Mar 2010 15:37:28 -0500 (EST), campbell mcleay wrote:
> 
> I am running 64-bit Debian Squeeze with kernel
> linux-image-2.6.32-trunk-vserver-amd64, and when
> I initiate a shutdown to halt/poweroff the system, either within a
> Gnome session or on the console,
> it reboots instead of powering off. I can see what looks like a kernel
> oops error message at the
> very end of the shutdown process, and then it reboots (it is too quick
> for me to see the exact error).
> My suspicion was that ACPI was the issue, so I disabled it at boot
> with 'acpi=off', and indeed it no longer
> reboots when I issue shutdown to halt it, but I lose hyperthreading
> and it won't power off at all.

OK, first of all, there's obviously a bug somewhere.
But the machine not powering off is no big deal.  Once it halts you
simply turn it off.  But losing hyperthreading is obviously not good.

> I have
> used Ubuntu 9.04 and 10.04 (which uses 2.6.32 kernel) to test the
> hardware as well, and these shut
> the machine down with no issue. I would use another linux-image
> package, but there seems to be only
> one for Squeeze (aside from a vserver image).
> 
> Any suggestions on a way round this? I don't want to boot with
> 'acpi=off', as it won't shutdown and
> hyperthreading won't work.

Well, you could try using APM instead of ACPI, if your BIOS supports it.
That might get you an automated power-off.  But probably not
hyperthreading.  Probably not worth it.

But there are newer kernels in Sid that you can try, such as
linux-image-2.6.32-2-vserver-amd64 and linux-image-2.6.32-3-vserver-amd64.


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Easy way to permanently change font size in xterm?

[Edward C. Jones]

I am presently using a recent Debian Testing, i386 port, on a computer 
with a Intel i3-530 chip. I installed KDE. Is there an easy way to 
permanently change the font size in all xterms? My previous machine had 
Debian 5.0 Stable where I could permanently change fonts and font sizes 
in xterms without editing the X config files.



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Re: Squeeze Frozen, NOT

[Freeman]

On Tue, Mar 02, 2010 at 10:28:57PM +0200, Andrei Popescu wrote:
> On Tue,02.Mar.10, 11:15:19, Andrei Popescu wrote:
> > On Mon,01.Mar.10, 17:46:11, Stephen Powell wrote:
> > 
> > > Since the resources are fixed at $0 (donated free labor) and the time
> > > interval is fixed at one year, the release goals go out the window.
> > > You just can't eat your cake and have it too.
> > 
> > I don't think this is a fair comparison. Yes, it is free donated labor, 
> > but it doesn't mean that it's worth $0!
> 
> Hmm, I think I misunderstood your original comment, let me retry:
> 
> With the same amount of resources (the same number of DDs), but less 
> time of course you have to cut somewhere. One possibility would be 
> reducing the amount of new features, as in not package the absolutely 
> latest version of softwares, but focus on versions that are already 
> known to be stable.
> 
> It seems though that the lenny -> squeeze migration will not be the 
> easiest as there are several major changes that you just can't avoid 
> (ex. KDE3 -> KDE4) and probably this is why the freeze date has been 
> postponed.
> 

According to Marc Brockschmidt, the desired target for a freeze is no more
than 300 RC bugs. That leaves 577 to go, and counting up most recently.
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ACPI problem on linux-image-2.6.32-trunk-amd64 powering off

[campbell mcleay]

Hi,

I am running 64-bit Debian Squeeze with kernel
linux-image-2.6.32-trunk-vserver-amd64, and when
I initiate a shutdown to halt/poweroff the system, either within a
Gnome session or on the console,
it reboots instead of powering off. I can see what looks like a kernel
oops error message at the
very end of the shutdown process, and then it reboots (it is too quick
for me to see the exact error).
My suspicion was that ACPI was the issue, so I disabled it at boot
with 'acpi=off', and indeed it no longer
reboots when I issue shutdown to halt it, but I lose hyperthreading
and it won't power off at all. I have
used Ubuntu 9.04 and 10.04 (which uses 2.6.32 kernel) to test the
hardware as well, and these shut
the machine down with no issue. I would use another linux-image
package, but there seems to be only
one for Squeeze (aside from a vserver image).

Any suggestions on a way round this? I don't want to boot with
'acpi=off', as it won't shutdown and
hyperthreading won't work.

Hardware is dual Xeon x5550 with 6GB ram and SSD hard disk.

Cheers,

Campbell


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Re: Squeeze Frozen, NOT

[Andrei Popescu]

On Tue,02.Mar.10, 11:15:19, Andrei Popescu wrote:
> On Mon,01.Mar.10, 17:46:11, Stephen Powell wrote:
> 
> > Since the resources are fixed at $0 (donated free labor) and the time
> > interval is fixed at one year, the release goals go out the window.
> > You just can't eat your cake and have it too.
> 
> I don't think this is a fair comparison. Yes, it is free donated labor, 
> but it doesn't mean that it's worth $0!

Hmm, I think I misunderstood your original comment, let me retry:

With the same amount of resources (the same number of DDs), but less 
time of course you have to cut somewhere. One possibility would be 
reducing the amount of new features, as in not package the absolutely 
latest version of softwares, but focus on versions that are already 
known to be stable.

It seems though that the lenny -> squeeze migration will not be the 
easiest as there are several major changes that you just can't avoid 
(ex. KDE3 -> KDE4) and probably this is why the freeze date has been 
postponed.

What I'm trying to say is that, yes it seems like the Release Team is 
pushing a bit to *freeze* as soon as possible, but I do trust them to 
not release squeeze until ready.

Regards,
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Re: -i386 to amd64

[Angus Hedger]

On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 6:35 PM, Charles Kroeger <
ckro...@frankensteinface.com> wrote:

> 
>
> You're right Angus, and I did take precautions, that is why I was still
> able
> to post to the newsgroup, however I thought maybe an extra emphasis
> wouldn't
> hurt. I'm not confident that getting the upgrades for the listed libs is
> going to help. Do you think it would?
>
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>

Hey,

Yes, I think it would, the versions you installed would be very old, for
example, ia32-libs is on version 2.7 even in lenny, compared to version 1.19
that the site has listed.

Grab the newest versions of the libs which match the version of debian you
are running from http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages and give it another
go ;)

(Note, I am assuming you grabbed the listed version of the package rather
than the newest version, if this is not the case and you got the newest
version, then I apologize for my mistake.)

Regards,

Angus

Re: w32codecs

[Andrei Popescu]

On Mon,01.Mar.10, 10:30:39, Celejar wrote:
 
> Ah, thanks.  My problem was that I hadn't realized that d-m had a
> non-free section at all.  I had always assumed that everything there
> was basically non-free anyway.  In Oldstable, the package is indeed in
> main, but not in more recent flavors.

The most of the packages at debian-multimedia are free (as in free 
speech), but they *might* cause troubles due to patents. That's why 
mplayer in Debian main is compiled differently and some things like lame 
are not available at all.

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Re: Fresh Debian Install w/o Exim?

[John Hasler]

Carlos Williams writes:
> This purges a bunch more. I think thats the best I am going to get on
> Debian...until we have the choice to omit specific packages.

You do have that choice.
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Re: -i386 to amd64

[Charles Kroeger]

> I think I'll just wait for:
> 
> aptitude -a amd64 --arch_upgrade
> 
> Surely that's right around the corner...  Maybe for Squeeze?
> 
> :)
> 
> James

Damn right, keep a watch on your  /etc/dpkg/dpkg.cfg file for an upgrade.

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Re: -i386 to amd64

[Charles Kroeger]

> Anyway, I think the huge **WARNING** notes should have been enough to let
> you know the whole thing was not without risk ;)
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Angus
> 

You're right Angus, and I did take precautions, that is why I was still able
to post to the newsgroup, however I thought maybe an extra emphasis wouldn't
hurt. I'm not confident that getting the upgrades for the listed libs is
going to help. Do you think it would?

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Re: Two Lenny problems

[Tony Nelson]

On 10-03-02 01:26:39, Cecil Knutson wrote:
 ...
> ...and the news that Linux can address 63 partitions. ...
 ...

Modern kernels use SCSI emulation for ATA and are restricted to 16 
partitions per drive, so don't go wild here.  (LVM is not affected.)  
The reduced limit has been a problem for some Fedora users.

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Re: Fresh Debian Install w/o Exim?

[Carlos Williams]

On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 1:14 PM, Robert Holtzman  wrote:
> The command you ran was not apt-get --purge exim4 but (from your
> original post) apt-get remove --purge exim4. Is there any chance apt-get
> invoked remove and ignored purge?

I just got everything sorted out. If I run:

# apt-get remove --purge exim4*

This purges a bunch more. I think thats the best I am going to get on
Debian...until we have the choice to omit specific packages.


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Re: VLC no longer plays *.flv and *.mpg files

[godo]

AG wrote:

Hi

VLC has suddenly, and for no apparent reason, stopped playing *.flv and 
*.mpg files.  I believe that I have all of the right codecs - w32codecs 
is the latest and kmplayer plays such files without problem.


Anybody else experienced this recently and/ or is there a likely fix?

Thanks in advance.

AG



Hi,
I can play .mpg, but not .flv with VLC but can with ffplay.
That's maybe doesn't count because I have also Kdenlive and he is 
withdrew lot's staff with him.


My ffprobe -i *.mpg:
Stream #0.0(eng): Video: h264, yuv420p, 320x240 [PAR 1:1 DAR 4:3], 25 
tbr, 2500 tbn, 50 tbc

Stream #0.1(eng): Audio: aac, 48000 Hz, stereo, s16, 138 kb/s


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Re: after upgrade etch -> lenny, problem with vim syntax highlighting in bash scripts

[Mart Frauenlob]

On 01.03.2010 16:59, Mart Frauenlob wrote:
> On 01.03.2010 12:06, Mart Frauenlob wrote:
>> On 28.02.2010 09:29, Mart Frauenlob wrote:
> 
>>> after I upgraded from etch to lenny a few days ago (new config files
>>> have been installed for vim), I noticed that syntax highlighting for my
>>> bash scripts is not working as before.
>>>
>>> There are some things i've noticed, where of the first is worse to me.
>>>
>>> 1: If I put the following statement onto a single line, it does not
>>> cause problems:
>>> RESULT_ARR[IDX++]="[$((m_count++))]=\"${str_attr_name}[$((opt_idx++))]=\\\"${tmp_content}\\\"\""
>>>
>>> But as soon as i put it into a for loop:
>>>
>>> for tmp_content in ${str_attr_val}; do
>>>
>>> RESULT_ARR[IDX++]="[$((m_count++))]=\"${str_attr_name}[$((opt_idx++))]=\\\"${tmp_content}\\\"\""
>>> done
>>>
>>> Everything from the 'done' word is marked with as syntax error, making
>>> the whole file unreadable (could turn of syntax highlighting).
>>>
>>>
>>> 2:
>>> if [[ $1 = +([[:digit:]]) ]]; then
>>> ...
>>> fi
>>>
>>> is good, but with:
>>>
>>> case "$1" in
>>> +([[:digit:]])) :
>>> ;;
>>> esac
>>>
>>> the last 2 `]]' are shown in red background (syntax error).
>>>
>>> 3: This one causes everything after the `'' (single quote) to be
>>> rendered as error:
>>> [[ $x = *\'* ]] && ...
>>>
>>>
>>> this is my .vimrc:
>>>
>>> set ts=4
>>> set sw=4
>>> let g:is_bash= 1
>>> let sh_minlines= 500
>>>
>>> Any ideas how I could get that fixed?
>>> Many of my scripts are garbled now. they are more readable without
>>> syntax highlighting.
> 
>>
>> I've tried to look up this problem with vim syntax highlighting a bit more.
>> It seems to me that escaping (single|double quotes?) in any loop
>> statement does not work.
>> So I've to correct my first report, those escaping problems lead to the
>> result, that all following code is formatted as it was inside quotes
>> (not rendered as error, like the [[:digit:]] string).
>>
>> So this one:
>> for tmp_content in ${str_attr_val}; do
>>
>> RESULT_ARR[IDX++]="[$((m_count++))]=\"${str_attr_name}[$((opt_idx++))]=\\\"${tmp_content}\\\"\""
>> done
>> needs a `"' (double quote) added, to become valid for vim (while
>> becoming invalid in case of shell syntax).
>> Same thing inside an if statement:
>> if true; then
>>
>> RESULT_ARR[IDX++]="[$((m_count++))]=\"${str_attr_name}[$((opt_idx++))]=\\\"${tmp_content}\\\"\""
>> fi
>> while inside a case statement it remains rendered valid.
>>
>> And this one:
>> [[ $x = *\'* ]] &&
>> needs `' ]]' to become valid for vim.
>>
>> I guess that could be fixed by modifying
>> /usr/share/vim/vim71/syntax/sh.vim - but I'm lost on how to.
>> It all worked out of the box on sarge and etch.
>> Most of the work I do on linux is write bash scripts with vim. This is
>> now messed up since the upgrade to lenny.
>> Any hints? Please anyone?
> 
> 
> Trimming it down more:
> var[0]="\"foo bar\"" is valid on a line for itself.
> 
> But:
> if true; then
> echo "\"foo\""
> var="\"foo bar\""
> var[0]="\"foo bar\""
> fi
> 
> the 'echo' and the 'var=' escape well, but the 'var[0]=' array member
> assignment fails.

Hello,

though I'm mainly talking to myself here, I got some updates.
I manually compiled/installed the vim versions 6.4, 7.0, 7.1 and 7.2.
Running version 6.4 and 7.0 with a slightly modified vimrc from the etch
version (vimrc.dpkg-old) (leaving out some debian specific things), I
get back the bash script syntax highlighting I was used to in sarge and
etch.
However vim versions 7.1 and 7.2 seem to have changed. I get different
results with both. I don't know if this is caused by the sh.vim or the
actual vim code, but however it does not seem to be a debian specific
problem, as far as I can tell.
Guess I need to find the time to talk to the people in the vim mailing list.

Good day

Mart


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Re: Fresh Debian Install w/o Exim?

[Robert Holtzman]

On Tue, Mar 02, 2010 at 09:54:51AM -0500, Carlos Williams wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 9:23 AM, Sven Joachim  wrote:
> > Please elaborate.  Which files are left?
> >
> > Sven
> 
> If you remove Exim manually using apt-get --purge exim4 or if you
> install an alternative MTA and the package manager uninstalls Exim,
> either way you're left with this much mess & that doesn't include the
> user accounts and groups:

The command you ran was not apt-get --purge exim4 but (from your
original post) apt-get remove --purge exim4. Is there any chance apt-get
invoked remove and ignored purge? 

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Re: Clearing Screen on Logout?

[Carlos Williams]

I found a pretty global / easy resolution.

http://www.patoche.org/LTT/screen/0004.html


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RE: Clearing Screen on Logout?

[James Zuelow]

> -Original Message-
> From: ludovico van [mailto:ludovicova...@gmail.com] 
> Sent: Tuesday, 02 March, 2010 09:00
> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Subject: Re: Clearing Screen on Logout?
> 
> On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 6:52 PM, Carlos Williams 
>  wrote:
> > I noticed that with Debian when I logout of my system, it doesn't
> > clear the screen to the login screen via bash only (non GUI).
> 
> i have this in $HOME/.bash_logout :
> # ~/.bash_logout: executed by bash(1) when login shell exits.
> 
> # when leaving the console clear the screen to increase privacy
> 
> if [ "$SHLVL" = 1 ]; then
> [ -x /usr/bin/clear_console ] && /usr/bin/clear_console -q
> fi
> 
> however a simple "clear" should be enough
> 
> bye
> 

Another way of doing that is:

  mv /etc/issue /etc/issue.original
  clear > /etc/issue
  cat /etc/issue.original >> /etc/issue

Then the console will clear when /etc/issue is read.

Although I do not usually change my shell so while I think it is a bit more 
portable if you use something like csh, etc. I am not absolutely positive.

James

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Re: Clearing Screen on Logout?

[Chris Jackson]

Carlos Williams wrote:


I think having to type 'clear' before log out is crazy. Also if I have
1,000 users, thats a log of files to edit. Is there no global file
config that will achieve this?



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Re: Clearing Screen on Logout?

[Carlos Williams]

On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 1:00 PM, ludovico van  wrote:
> i have this in $HOME/.bash_logout :
> # ~/.bash_logout: executed by bash(1) when login shell exits.
>
> # when leaving the console clear the screen to increase privacy
>
> if [ "$SHLVL" = 1 ]; then
>    [ -x /usr/bin/clear_console ] && /usr/bin/clear_console -q
> fi
>
> however a simple "clear" should be enough
>
> bye

I think having to type 'clear' before log out is crazy. Also if I have
1,000 users, thats a log of files to edit. Is there no global file
config that will achieve this?


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Re: Clearing Screen on Logout?

[Stephen Powell]

On Tue, 2 Mar 2010 12:52:31 -0500 (EST), Carlos Williams wrote:
> 
> I noticed that with Debian when I logout of my system, it doesn't
> clear the screen to the login screen via bash only (non GUI). Normally
> in RHEL, Arch, Ubuntu, and most other distributions when a user logs
> out or exits from a shell, their history is not visible on the screen
> but in Debian, it is. Is there any way to change this? How can I exit
> a shell window in Debian and have it clear my scrolled up commands and
> actions to a blank login screen?

This is true only for the root user.  If you logout from a virtual
terminal as a normal user, the screen clears.  If you logout from
a virtual terminal as root, the screen does not clear.  That's because
root does not have the standard .bash_logout file.  It's easy to fix.
Just copy it from your non-superuser self.  For example, if your
normal user account is "carlos", then issue this command as root:

   cp /home/carlos/.bash_logout ~

I can't remember if it takes effect on the logout from this session,
but it will for sure on logout after the next login.


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Re: Clearing Screen on Logout?

[ludovico van]

On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 6:52 PM, Carlos Williams  wrote:
> I noticed that with Debian when I logout of my system, it doesn't
> clear the screen to the login screen via bash only (non GUI).

i have this in $HOME/.bash_logout :
# ~/.bash_logout: executed by bash(1) when login shell exits.

# when leaving the console clear the screen to increase privacy

if [ "$SHLVL" = 1 ]; then
[ -x /usr/bin/clear_console ] && /usr/bin/clear_console -q
fi

however a simple "clear" should be enough

bye


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Clearing Screen on Logout?

[Carlos Williams]

I noticed that with Debian when I logout of my system, it doesn't
clear the screen to the login screen via bash only (non GUI). Normally
in RHEL, Arch, Ubuntu, and most other distributions when a user logs
out or exits from a shell, their history is not visible on the screen
but in Debian, it is. Is there any way to change this? How can I exit
a shell window in Debian and have it clear my scrolled up commands and
actions to a blank login screen?


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Skype stopped working on three different computers with Debian Lenny

[Kum G.]

Hi All!

We have 3 computers with Debian Lenny and the newest Skype. Two are usually 
upgraded, one absolutely not. Some months ago, when we tried, Skype was 
working perfectly, but now on all computers microphones are silent.
Settings were not changed, and tried with the default settings too. (Sound 
recording in Audacity works)

Does anybody have an idea?

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Re: Driver for Gigabyte NVidia GV-N220OC-1GI card?

[Angus Hedger]

On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 5:22 PM, Mathieu Malaterre <
mathieu.malate...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 6:18 PM, Angus Hedger  wrote:
> 
> > 1) The easy automatic way, with sgfxi:
> > http://techpatterns.com/forums/about933.html
>
> Wow ! The script is 6268 line long !
>
> What does it bring that module-assistant a-i nvidia does not provide ?
>
> Thanks,
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>

Hey,

Well, really it allows a quick and easy way to move back and forwards
between nv and the nVidia binary driver.

The reason its so large is that it does ATI/nVidia free and non free drivers
for multiple distros.

But really its just there to make life easier ;)

Regards,

Angus.

Re: Driver for Gigabyte NVidia GV-N220OC-1GI card?

[Mathieu Malaterre]

On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 6:18 PM, Angus Hedger  wrote:
> Hey,
> As far as I know, Lenny and squeeze do not have the newest nVidia binary
> driver packaged, and I think you need the newest ( 19X.XXX )  driver to use
> that card, I cant check because nVidias website seems to be down at the
> moment though.
> There is two ways to install the nVidia driver the "nVidia way" rather than
> the debian way.
> 1) The easy automatic way, with sgfxi:
> http://techpatterns.com/forums/about933.html

Wow ! The script is 6268 line long !

What does it bring that module-assistant a-i nvidia does not provide ?

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Re: Driver for Gigabyte NVidia GV-N220OC-1GI card?

[Angus Hedger]

Hey,

As far as I know, Lenny and squeeze do not have the newest nVidia binary
driver packaged, and I think you need the newest ( 19X.XXX )  driver to use
that card, I cant check because nVidias website seems to be down at the
moment though.

There is two ways to install the nVidia driver the "nVidia way" rather than
the debian way.

1) The easy automatic way, with sgfxi:

http://techpatterns.com/forums/about933.html

2) The Manual "nVidia" way:

http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/debian-linux-help/113053-apt-get-older-versions-applications.html#post548590

I
use #1 without any problems.

(note this email assumes you are looking for the nVidia binary driver,
though sgfxi can also install and setup the nv free driver as well, read the
page)

Regards,

Angus.

On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 5:48 AM, Linux User  wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I was wondering if there was a generic driver I could use for my
> Gigabyte GT220 or GV-N220OC-1GI card:
>
> The product page:
>
> http://www.gigabyte.com.au/Support/VGA/Driver_Model.aspx?ProductID=3188
>
> Thanks for any help. It seemed like other distributions auto-detect it
> and try to use a generic NVidia card, but unfortunately it crashed and
> didn't work.
>
> Cheers.
>
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Re: Fresh Debian Install w/o Exim?

[Sven Joachim]

On 2010-03-02 15:54 +0100, Carlos Williams wrote:

> If you remove Exim manually using apt-get --purge exim4 or if you
> install an alternative MTA and the package manager uninstalls Exim,
> either way you're left with this much mess & that doesn't include the
> user accounts and groups:
>
> r...@mail:~# locate exim
> [snip]
> /var/lib/dpkg/info/exim4-base.list
> /var/lib/dpkg/info/exim4-base.postrm
> /var/lib/dpkg/info/exim4-config.list
> /var/lib/dpkg/info/exim4-config.postrm
> /var/lib/dpkg/info/exim4-daemon-light.list
> /var/lib/dpkg/info/exim4-daemon-light.postrm
> /var/lib/dpkg/info/exim4.list
> /var/lib/dpkg/info/exim4.postrm

Well, you did *not* purge the exim4 packages if these files exist.
Run "dpkg --purge exim4{,-base,-config,-daemon-light}" and see if
anything is left then.

Sven


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Re: Fresh Debian Install w/o Exim?

[Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.]

In , Carlos 
Williams wrote:
>On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 10:24 AM, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.
> wrote:
>> It's nothing to do with the order your installed packages.  It is the
>> difference between removed and purged.  Confiles -- files where changes by
>> the local administrator are preserved when upgrading -- are kept after
>> removal. While this category covers files that are just configuration, it
>> also covers init scripts and cron jobs.  Confiles are not deleted when the
>> program is removed -- so the configuration is preserved if this is just a
>> temporary removal (required for some complex upgrades).  Confiles are
>> deleted when the package is purged.
>
>I thought I was purging the package, no?
>
>#apt-get remove --purge exim4

See my earlier reply on why this might not get all the exim files.  Summary: 
Most of the files aren't in a package called "exim4".

Use (aptitude search '~c') to see programs in the "Configured" state -- 
removed but not purged.  Use (aptitude purge '~c') to remove those confiles.
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Re: Fresh Debian Install w/o Exim?

[Eric Gerlach]

On Mon, Mar 01, 2010 at 02:59:23PM -0500, Carlos Williams wrote:
> I am trying to install Debian (Testing) via 'netinst' disk and for
> some reason am completely unable to install Debian w/o Exim. It
> appears that Cron is a default package and depends on Exim. Does
> anyone know how I can completely omit this from a fresh Debian
> install? When I run:

It's been a while since I've used the installer (I preseed my installations at
the office), but isn't there a point in expert mode where you can select
individual packages?  Could you select 'postfix' and unselect 'exim4' at that
point?  Or is that after the base system install?

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Re: Fresh Debian Install w/o Exim?

[Lisi]

On Tuesday 02 March 2010 13:17:27 Carlos Williams wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 3:27 AM, Lisi  wrote:
> > type
> > aptitude install nullmailer
> > in a root konsole.  Press .
> > Lisi
>
> Yes I understand now but as I stated before that installing Postfix,
> Sendmail, or any other alternative MTA has no impact on the real
> problem at hand. What ever MTA you choose to install, APT auto removes
> Exim but leaves tons of files and directories behind. For some this is
> no big deal but when you're an OCD Linux administrator, any rogue or
> orphaned files like this drive you crazy.
>
> If you did any kind of install, Exim is installed and when you attempt
> to install any alternative MTA, APT will auto remove Exim but leaves
> you with clutter. Also if you decide to 1st manually remove Exim from
> Debian using the '--purge' option, it still leaves behind all this
> mess.

You could always reinstall choosing the most basic system, than carefully 
choose only the applications you actually want ands install them one by one.  
And you could do aptitude -s before actually installing anything, so things 
won't get pulled in that you would rather not have!  You ought then to be 
able to have a system pure/clean enough to gladden the heart of the most C of 
OCD Linux administrators. ;-)

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Re: IMAP timing issue

[Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.]

In <201003020607.16885@pcartwright.com>, Paul Cartwright wrote:
>I'm not sure what to do about this, maybe I am doing something wrong..
>I setup my wifes account as IMAP so she could read her email from
> home(Kmail) & work (using web mail). The problem is, at home, on our debian
> box, she runs Kmail. When she clicks on the inbox it takes forever to bring
> in all the messages, and if she clicks on another folder NOT in her inbox,
> next time she goes back, it starts over again with zero messages, retrieves
> them all, and it takes forever. Part of the problem is people that send
> monster ( OUTLOOK) messages with megabyte attachments..
>What can I do? I'm not that familiar with IMAP, would disconnected IMAP be
>better?

Those are both the same protocol has far as what's "on the wire".  As a KMail 
user, I'd never use "IMAP" it has minimal caching so a server round-trip is 
required for most operations, including reading mail.  It would only be 
appropriate for a computer on the same LAN as the server, and even then only 
if the client could not spare the disk space for the cache.

"disconnected IMAP" has some problems as well, but they aren't chronic the way 
the performance issues are with "IMAP".  Sometimes the caches/indexes get out 
of sync, but there are way to fix that from the GUI.
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Re: Squeeze Frozen, NOT

[Lisi]

On Tuesday 02 March 2010 09:15:19 Andrei Popescu wrote:
> On Mon,01.Mar.10, 17:46:11, Stephen Powell wrote:
> > > There is no plan for timed release cycles, only timed freezes.
> >
> > Hmm.  Well, I suppose that timed freezes is better than timed
> > release cycles, but it still breaks the traditional concept of
> > "release goals", does it not?  Historically, a new release had
> > a set of release goals associated with it.  With timed release freezes,
> > that pretty much throws release goals out the window.
>
> I think it depends on whether the release goal is considered RC (release
> critical) or not. Even if you freeze the software versions, the release
> team can still grant exceptions in such cases and even without timed
> freezes, if a release goal is not ready it is not ready (dependency
> based boot for lenny, just to name an example).
>
> [...]
>
> > Since the resources are fixed at $0 (donated free labor) and the time
> > interval is fixed at one year, the release goals go out the window.
> > You just can't eat your cake and have it too.
>
> I don't think this is a fair comparison. Yes, it is free donated labor,
> but it doesn't mean that it's worth $0!

No - of course not - but it does mean that it *costs* $0.  There are those who 
know the price of everything and the value of nothing.

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Re: Fresh Debian Install w/o Exim?

[Stephen Powell]

On Tue, 2 Mar 2010 09:54:51 -0500 (EST), Carlos Williams wrote:
>
> If you remove Exim manually using apt-get --purge exim4 or if you
> install an alternative MTA and the package manager uninstalls Exim,
> either way you're left with this much mess & that doesn't include the
> user accounts and groups:
> 
> r...@mail:~# locate exim
> /etc/cron.daily/exim4-base
> /etc/default/exim4
> /etc/init.d/exim4
> /etc/logrotate.d/exim4-base
> /etc/logrotate.d/exim4-paniclog
> /etc/ppp/ip-up.d/exim4
> /etc/rc0.d/K01exim4
> /etc/rc1.d/K01exim4
> /etc/rc2.d/S02exim4
> /etc/rc3.d/S02exim4
> /etc/rc4.d/S02exim4
> /etc/rc5.d/S02exim4
> /etc/rc6.d/K01exim4
> /usr/share/vim/vim72/syntax/exim.vim
> /var/cache/apt/archives/exim4-base_4.71-3_amd64.deb
> /var/cache/apt/archives/exim4-config_4.71-3_all.deb
> /var/cache/apt/archives/exim4-daemon-light_4.71-3_amd64.deb
> /var/cache/apt/archives/exim4_4.71-3_all.deb
> /var/lib/exim4
> /var/lib/dpkg/info/exim4-base.list
> /var/lib/dpkg/info/exim4-base.postrm
> /var/lib/dpkg/info/exim4-config.list
> /var/lib/dpkg/info/exim4-config.postrm
> /var/lib/dpkg/info/exim4-daemon-light.list
> /var/lib/dpkg/info/exim4-daemon-light.postrm
> /var/lib/dpkg/info/exim4.list
> /var/lib/dpkg/info/exim4.postrm
> /var/lib/exim4/config.autogenerated
> /var/lib/update-rc.d/exim4
> /var/log/exim4
> /var/log/exim4/mainlog
> /var/run/exim4

Is the exim4 daemon still running?  Try this (as root):

# /etc/init.d/exim4 stop
# aptitude purge exim4

Maybe there are files that can't be purged if the daemon is still running.


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Re: Fresh Debian Install w/o Exim?

[Carlos Williams]

On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 10:24 AM, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.
 wrote:
> It's nothing to do with the order your installed packages.  It is the
> difference between removed and purged.  Confiles -- files where changes by the
> local administrator are preserved when upgrading -- are kept after removal.
> While this category covers files that are just configuration, it also covers
> init scripts and cron jobs.  Confiles are not deleted when the program is
> removed -- so the configuration is preserved if this is just a temporary
> removal (required for some complex upgrades).  Confiles are deleted when the
> package is purged.

I thought I was purging the package, no?

#apt-get remove --purge exim4

> Files that are created by the program at run-time, like logs, databases, and
> documents aren't tracked by the package management system, so they must be
> deleted manually if you want to get rid of them.

Makes sense.


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Re: Fresh Debian Install w/o Exim?

[Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.]

In <4b8cc633.7090...@hardwarefreak.com>, Stan Hoeppner wrote:
>Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. put forth on 3/2/2010 1:21 AM:
>> In <4b8c7c66.6070...@hardwarefreak.com>, Stan Hoeppner wrote:
> it auto removes Exim4 however still leaves all the
> orphaned files and junk.*

 I'm not convinced this is a statement of fact, but depending on how the
 installer does things it could be accurate.
>>>
>>> I don't recall doing any manual removal of Exim.  I've upgraded
>>> the system in place all the way to Lenny, over a 4 year period.
>>
>> Most of those should be cleaned up by a purge of all the exim packages. 
>> In particular all the init scripts, the dpkg data, and probably the cron
>> jobs.
>
>This is probably a result of me installing postfix without uninstalling exim
>first.  It's surprising that the apt scripts that installed postfix and
>removed exim left all this other stuff which can't possibly work now without
>that exim binary being present.

It's nothing to do with the order your installed packages.  It is the 
difference between removed and purged.  Confiles -- files where changes by the 
local administrator are preserved when upgrading -- are kept after removal.  
While this category covers files that are just configuration, it also covers 
init scripts and cron jobs.  Confiles are not deleted when the program is 
removed -- so the configuration is preserved if this is just a temporary 
removal (required for some complex upgrades).  Confiles are deleted when the 
package is purged.

Files that are created by the program at run-time, like logs, databases, and 
documents aren't tracked by the package management system, so they must be 
deleted manually if you want to get rid of them.
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Re: IMAP timing issue

[Andrew Sackville-West]

On Tue, Mar 02, 2010 at 06:07:16AM -0500, Paul Cartwright wrote:
[...]
> The problem is, at home, on our debian box, she runs 
> Kmail. When she clicks on the inbox it takes forever to bring in all the 
> messages, and if she clicks on another folder NOT in her inbox, next time she 
> goes back, it starts over again with zero messages, retrieves them all, and 
> it takes forever. Part of the problem is people that send monster ( OUTLOOK) 
> messages with megabyte attachments.. 

I don't use kmail, but AIUI, it should only be loading the email
_headers_ and not the entire emails. It should only load the email
when she tries to view it. That said, if there are a whole lot of
emails, it could still take a few seconds to load all the headers. But
unless we're talking thousands of emails and a slow connection, it
should still only take a few seconds. Iwould look at kmail and see
whether it's pulling only headers or the entire emails. 

> What can I do? I'm not that familiar with IMAP, would disconnected IMAP be 
> better?

disconnected IMAP might help because it would have a local copy to
load, speeding the process. But I suspect that's not really the
problem.

BTW, what do you mean by "forever?

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Re: Fresh Debian Install w/o Exim?

[Carlos Williams]

On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 9:23 AM, Sven Joachim  wrote:
> Please elaborate.  Which files are left?
>
> Sven

If you remove Exim manually using apt-get --purge exim4 or if you
install an alternative MTA and the package manager uninstalls Exim,
either way you're left with this much mess & that doesn't include the
user accounts and groups:

r...@mail:~# locate exim
/etc/cron.daily/exim4-base
/etc/default/exim4
/etc/init.d/exim4
/etc/logrotate.d/exim4-base
/etc/logrotate.d/exim4-paniclog
/etc/ppp/ip-up.d/exim4
/etc/rc0.d/K01exim4
/etc/rc1.d/K01exim4
/etc/rc2.d/S02exim4
/etc/rc3.d/S02exim4
/etc/rc4.d/S02exim4
/etc/rc5.d/S02exim4
/etc/rc6.d/K01exim4
/usr/share/vim/vim72/syntax/exim.vim
/var/cache/apt/archives/exim4-base_4.71-3_amd64.deb
/var/cache/apt/archives/exim4-config_4.71-3_all.deb
/var/cache/apt/archives/exim4-daemon-light_4.71-3_amd64.deb
/var/cache/apt/archives/exim4_4.71-3_all.deb
/var/lib/exim4
/var/lib/dpkg/info/exim4-base.list
/var/lib/dpkg/info/exim4-base.postrm
/var/lib/dpkg/info/exim4-config.list
/var/lib/dpkg/info/exim4-config.postrm
/var/lib/dpkg/info/exim4-daemon-light.list
/var/lib/dpkg/info/exim4-daemon-light.postrm
/var/lib/dpkg/info/exim4.list
/var/lib/dpkg/info/exim4.postrm
/var/lib/exim4/config.autogenerated
/var/lib/update-rc.d/exim4
/var/log/exim4
/var/log/exim4/mainlog
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Re: Fresh Debian Install w/o Exim?

[Jordan Metzmeier]

On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 9:23 AM, Sven Joachim  wrote:
> On 2010-03-02 14:17 +0100, Carlos Williams wrote:
>
>> Yes I understand now but as I stated before that installing Postfix,
>> Sendmail, or any other alternative MTA has no impact on the real
>> problem at hand. What ever MTA you choose to install, APT auto removes
>> Exim but leaves tons of files and directories behind. For some this is
>> no big deal but when you're an OCD Linux administrator, any rogue or
>> orphaned files like this drive you crazy.
>
> What does OCD mean?
>

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OCD

"Obsessive–compulsive disorder (OCD) is a mental disorder
characterized by intrusive thoughts that produce anxiety, by
repetitive behaviors aimed at reducing anxiety, or by combinations of
such thoughts (obsessions) and behaviors (compulsions). "



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Re: Fresh Debian Install w/o Exim?

[Sven Joachim]

On 2010-03-02 14:17 +0100, Carlos Williams wrote:

> Yes I understand now but as I stated before that installing Postfix,
> Sendmail, or any other alternative MTA has no impact on the real
> problem at hand. What ever MTA you choose to install, APT auto removes
> Exim but leaves tons of files and directories behind. For some this is
> no big deal but when you're an OCD Linux administrator, any rogue or
> orphaned files like this drive you crazy.

What does OCD mean?

> If you did any kind of install, Exim is installed and when you attempt
> to install any alternative MTA, APT will auto remove Exim but leaves
> you with clutter. Also if you decide to 1st manually remove Exim from
> Debian using the '--purge' option, it still leaves behind all this
> mess.

Please elaborate.  Which files are left?

Sven


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Re: KDE session dead

[Thierry Chatelet]

On Tuesday 02 March 2010 13:46:09 Philipp Pagel wrote:
> Jason Filippou  wrote:
> > Hello list,
> I see the same effect after a recent upgrade. I have spent some time
> debugging the problem and was able to identify the culprit:
> 
> ~/.kde/share/config/kdeglobals
> 
> If I remove the file I can log in normally. Unfortunately, the problem is
>  back once kde recreates the file. 
>   Philipp
> 

I have no idea on how kdeglobals is recreated, but the culprit may in whatever 
recreates it. That' s why, in my case moving away both .kde and .kde4 did 
work. Now, maybe moving only one of the 2 should have be sufficient, but I did 
not want to spend to much time on it.
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Re: confused by bug

[Kumar Appaiah]

On Tue, Mar 02, 2010 at 07:35:10PM +1300, Richard Hector wrote:
> > Contrast this with the "stable" version, which has migrated from
> > stable-proposed-updates to stable.
> 
> Sorted. After I realised you were talking about texlive-bin, while
> texlive-latex-base is built from texlive-base, I read the reports a
> little more thoroughly.

Ah, that was because I didn't read your original mail carefully, and
just glanced at the bug and concluded that it was texlive-bin. Apologies.

> It turns out (though this was still not clear from the reports) that if
> I upgraded texlive-base-bin (and texlive-pdfetex, though I suspect
> that's irrelevant)(which are built from texlive-bin) from
> oldstable-proposed-updates, that changed something (probably fmtutil)
> which enabled the existing texlive-latex-base to install.
> 
> A bit tortuous, but I got there :-)

Glad that you got there. But it's time to do the dist-upgrade dance
and move to Lenny! ;-)

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Re: Fresh Debian Install w/o Exim?

[Carlos Williams]

On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 3:27 AM, Lisi  wrote:
> type
> aptitude install nullmailer
> in a root konsole.  Press .
> Lisi

Yes I understand now but as I stated before that installing Postfix,
Sendmail, or any other alternative MTA has no impact on the real
problem at hand. What ever MTA you choose to install, APT auto removes
Exim but leaves tons of files and directories behind. For some this is
no big deal but when you're an OCD Linux administrator, any rogue or
orphaned files like this drive you crazy.

If you did any kind of install, Exim is installed and when you attempt
to install any alternative MTA, APT will auto remove Exim but leaves
you with clutter. Also if you decide to 1st manually remove Exim from
Debian using the '--purge' option, it still leaves behind all this
mess.


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Re: KDE session dead

[Philipp Pagel]

Jason Filippou  wrote:
> Hello list,

> After updating my debian  squeeze box yesterday I'm having trouble
> logging into my KDE session. More specifically, after I choose "KDE"
> from the available sessions from kdm,  the kde splash screen begins
> loading but then I get a white screen followed by a completely black
> screen, with which I can't interact, since it's all, like, black. The
> "logged in" music tune plays just fine though, which makes me feel
> there's something wrong with a KDE update as far as the desktop
> display's concerned. I had KDE effects turned on, if that's helping
> towards the right direction.

> Currently posting from a GNOME session. Anyboy with a problem similar
> to mine after recent upgrades? Anything I can do to revive my KDE
> session?

I see the same effect after a recent upgrade. I have spent some time
debugging the problem and was able to identify the culprit:

~/.kde/share/config/kdeglobals

If I remove the file I can log in normally. Unfortunately, the problem is back
once kde recreates the file. So I have to delete the file again before the next
login. So far I was unable to nail down exactly what the problem is or how to
permanently fix it.

cu
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Re: /etc/group

[Sven Joachim]

On 2010-03-02 12:34 +0100, Alexey Salmin wrote:

> Just wondering: why there are so many users and groups which are not
> created on package installation?

Historical reasons, often.  Most of these users and groups are expected
to exist on a Unix system.  Besides, the list of static system users and
groups is really append-only: base-passwd must not remove a user or
group from existing systems for obvious reasons, so a UID or GID that
has been given out once cannot be reallocated ever.

If this were to be redesigned today, I suspect that users like news,
uucp, www-data or list would be allocated dynamically.

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Re: /etc/group

[Alexey Salmin]

On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 5:53 PM, Sven Joachim  wrote:
> On 2010-03-02 12:20 +0100, Ansgar Burchardt wrote:
>
>> Users and groups that are not created on package installation are
>> documented in the base-passwd package.  For example, for the ssh group
>> you mention it contains the following information:
>>
>>   ssh: ssh-agent is setgid to ssh in order to prevent ptrace attacks.
>
> This is not really a very good example, because the ssh group is only
> created when you install the openssh-client package.  The static groups
> can be seen in the file /usr/share/base-passwd/group.master.
>
> Sven
>
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Those ones makes more sense, thanks.

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Re: /etc/group

[Sven Joachim]

On 2010-03-02 12:20 +0100, Ansgar Burchardt wrote:

> Users and groups that are not created on package installation are
> documented in the base-passwd package.  For example, for the ssh group
> you mention it contains the following information:
>
>   ssh: ssh-agent is setgid to ssh in order to prevent ptrace attacks.

This is not really a very good example, because the ssh group is only
created when you install the openssh-client package.  The static groups
can be seen in the file /usr/share/base-passwd/group.master.

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Re: Squeeze Frozen, NOT

[Klistvud]

Dne, 02. 03. 2010 10:15:19 je Andrei Popescu napisal(a):


Yes, it is free donated labor,
but it doesn't mean that it's worth $0!



Of *course* it doesn't (on the contrary, if I may add).
It simply means that you "can't increase the amount of donated labor at  
will", since, in donated labor, payment -- and thus the possibility of  
hiring any number of additional programmers when needed -- is out of  
the equation.


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ssh

[consul tores]

hello

If i do # ssh from Lenny against Slackware or OpenBSD, then i get only
1 key, but if i do # ssh from Lenny to Lenny, then i receive 2 keys!
It happens when i am outside of my lan which has a router DLink as
gateway, when i test it at inside, i recieve only 1 key for Slackware,
OpenBSD and Lenny.
Checking rsa ids, they are the same in both cases.

Could somebody please tell me what could be wrong, or if it is normal?

Thanks in advance.


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Re: /etc/group

[Alexey Salmin]

On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 5:20 PM, Ansgar Burchardt  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Alexey Salmin  writes:
>
>> Hello! /etc/group in default debain installation contains dozens of
>> groups and I'm wondering: how to determine their purpose? Which
>> package did some specific group came from? What purpose does it serve?
>
> Users and groups that are not created on package installation are
> documented in the base-passwd package.  For example, for the ssh group
> you mention it contains the following information:
>
>  ssh: ssh-agent is setgid to ssh in order to prevent ptrace attacks.
>
> Regards,
> Ansgar
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Thanks a lot! Didn't know that.
Just wondering: why there are so many users and groups which are not
created on package installation?

Alexey


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Re: /etc/group

[Ansgar Burchardt]

Hi,

Alexey Salmin  writes:

> Hello! /etc/group in default debain installation contains dozens of
> groups and I'm wondering: how to determine their purpose? Which
> package did some specific group came from? What purpose does it serve?

Users and groups that are not created on package installation are
documented in the base-passwd package.  For example, for the ssh group
you mention it contains the following information:

  ssh: ssh-agent is setgid to ssh in order to prevent ptrace attacks.

Regards,
Ansgar


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/etc/group

[Alexey Salmin]

Hello! /etc/group in default debain installation contains dozens of
groups and I'm wondering: how to determine their purpose? Which
package did some specific group came from? What purpose does it serve?
It's not very convenient to search info about group XXX in every
installed package documentation. And I didn't find corresponding info
in Debian Reference either. And even if you know the package group is
bound to it's purpose isn't completely clear.
For instance: there is an emtpy (no users) ssh group on my Debian Box.
It's clear that it's being used by the ssh package. But how? I wonder
if I can use it for AllowGroups in /etc/ssh/sshd_config. I mean will
interfere with something?

Alexey


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IMAP timing issue

[Paul Cartwright]

I'm not sure what to do about this, maybe I am doing something wrong..
I setup my wifes account as IMAP so she could read her email from home(Kmail) 
& work (using web mail). The problem is, at home, on our debian box, she runs 
Kmail. When she clicks on the inbox it takes forever to bring in all the 
messages, and if she clicks on another folder NOT in her inbox, next time she 
goes back, it starts over again with zero messages, retrieves them all, and 
it takes forever. Part of the problem is people that send monster ( OUTLOOK) 
messages with megabyte attachments.. 
What can I do? I'm not that familiar with IMAP, would disconnected IMAP be 
better? filtering all email larger than 1Mb to her local inbox?
other ideas?

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Re: Squeeze Frozen, NOT

[Andrei Popescu]

On Mon,01.Mar.10, 17:46:11, Stephen Powell wrote:

> > There is no plan for timed release cycles, only timed freezes.
> 
> Hmm.  Well, I suppose that timed freezes is better than timed
> release cycles, but it still breaks the traditional concept of
> "release goals", does it not?  Historically, a new release had
> a set of release goals associated with it.  With timed release freezes, that
> pretty much throws release goals out the window.
 
I think it depends on whether the release goal is considered RC (release 
critical) or not. Even if you freeze the software versions, the release 
team can still grant exceptions in such cases and even without timed 
freezes, if a release goal is not ready it is not ready (dependency 
based boot for lenny, just to name an example).

[...]

> Since the resources are fixed at $0 (donated free labor) and the time
> interval is fixed at one year, the release goals go out the window.
> You just can't eat your cake and have it too.

I don't think this is a fair comparison. Yes, it is free donated labor, 
but it doesn't mean that it's worth $0!

Regards,
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Re: setting sensor limits fails

[Klistvud]

Dne, 02. 03. 2010 10:29:32 je Klistvud napisal(a):
(However, your fan being so loud is actually a good sign.) The  
*passive* trip point is particularly crucial in this context.


Whoops, I managed to make two major mistakes in two short sentences:
1. The OT makes no mention of loud fans.
2. The *critical* trip point is even more crucial.
I've just had my coffe, but apparently it hasn't sunk in yet ...

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Re: Fresh Debian Install w/o Exim?

[Lisi]

On Tuesday 02 March 2010 00:32:10 Carlos Williams wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 5:59 PM, Lisi  wrote:
> >> I use nullmailer in these situations
> >
> > +1
> > Installing nullmailer will remove exim for you.
>
> I am sorry but I don't understand what you mean by 'install
> nullmailer'. Is this something I install before I begin the 'netinst'
> installation of Squeeze on my server? Is there an article that will
> help me achieve this?

type
aptitude install nullmailer
in a root konsole.  Press .
Lisi


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Re: setting sensor limits fails

[Klistvud]

Dne, 01. 03. 2010 23:55:43 je s. keeling napisal(a):


>  I don't think this should be a threat to your laptop, the sensors
>  only read temperature (and other data) they don't interfere with
>  the working of the CPU, hard drive or other components. I think you
>  have no reasons to worry.

They sure help here, otherwise the fan makes it sound like my Sun U30.



If "failing to set sensor limits" is what I think it is, then it's no  
joke. You should check whether this means that your thermal trip points  
are messed up (or absent altogether); if they are, your laptop may  
eventually overheat and die. (However, your fan being so loud is  
actually a good sign.) The *passive* trip point is particularly crucial  
in this context. I jotted down some indications about trip points and  
such on the website you'll find in my signature (once there, look for  
the heading "Laptops In Heat").


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Re: KDE session dead

[Thierry Chatelet]

On Tuesday 02 March 2010 08:55:51 Jason Filippou wrote:
> Hello list,
> 
> After updating my debian  squeeze box yesterday I'm having trouble
> logging into my KDE session. More specifically, after I choose "KDE"
> from the available sessions from kdm,  the kde splash screen begins
> loading but then I get a white screen followed by a completely black
> screen, with which I can't interact, since it's all, like, black. The
> "logged in" music tune plays just fine though, which makes me feel
> there's something wrong with a KDE update as far as the desktop
> display's concerned. I had KDE effects turned on, if that's helping
> towards the right direction.
> 
> Currently posting from a GNOME session. Anyboy with a problem similar
> to mine after recent upgrades? Anything I can do to revive my KDE
> session?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Jason
> 

You can either create a new user to see what happen, or move away your .kde 
and .kde4 folders, and see if it works.
Then you will have a starting point to analyze the problem.
Thierry


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KDE session dead

[Jason Filippou]

Hello list,

After updating my debian  squeeze box yesterday I'm having trouble
logging into my KDE session. More specifically, after I choose "KDE"
from the available sessions from kdm,  the kde splash screen begins
loading but then I get a white screen followed by a completely black
screen, with which I can't interact, since it's all, like, black. The
"logged in" music tune plays just fine though, which makes me feel
there's something wrong with a KDE update as far as the desktop
display's concerned. I had KDE effects turned on, if that's helping
towards the right direction.

Currently posting from a GNOME session. Anyboy with a problem similar
to mine after recent upgrades? Anything I can do to revive my KDE
session?

Thanks,

Jason


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Re: Fresh Debian Install w/o Exim?

[Stan Hoeppner]

Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. put forth on 3/2/2010 1:21 AM:
> In <4b8c7c66.6070...@hardwarefreak.com>, Stan Hoeppner wrote:
 it auto removes Exim4 however still leaves all the
 orphaned files and junk.*
>>>
>>> I'm not convinced this is a statement of fact, but depending on how the
>>> installer does things it could be accurate.
>>
>> Take this for what it's worth:  On my "Swiss Army Knife" server, I installed
>> Sarge fresh in 2006 using a compact net install from boot floppies.  After
>> the base install was complete, I installed Postfix via apt-get.  I don't
>> recall doing any manual removal of Exim.  I've upgraded the system in place
>> all the way to Lenny, over a 4 year period.
>>
>> I currently have the following related to Exim:
>>
>> ~$ locate exim
>> /etc/cron.d/exim
>> /etc/cron.daily/exim
>> /etc/init.d/exim
>> /etc/ppp/ip-up.d/exim
>> /etc/rc0.d/K20exim
>> /etc/rc1.d/K20exim
>> /etc/rc4.d/S20exim
>> /etc/rc5.d/S20exim
>> /etc/rc6.d/K20exim
>> /usr/share/doc/postgrey/README.exim
>> /usr/share/wwwconfig-common/exim-trust.sh
>> /var/cache/apt/archives/exim_3.36-18.2_i386.deb
>> /var/lib/dpkg/info/exim.list
>> /var/lib/dpkg/info/exim.postrm
>> /var/log/exim
>> /var/run/exim
> 
> Most of those should be cleaned up by a purge of all the exim packages.  In 
> particular all the init scripts, the dpkg data, and probably the cron jobs.

This is probably a result of me installing postfix without uninstalling exim
first.  It's surprising that the apt scripts that installed postfix and
removed exim left all this other stuff which can't possibly work now without
that exim binary being present.

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