Re: insserv + apache2 + bind9 = pain

[Arthur Machlas]

On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 4:45 PM, Mike Bird  wrote:
> If the Apache configuration needs DNS to start, Apache silently
> and without logging anything fails to start in Squeeze.  This
> used to work correctly under the old startup mechanism in Lenny.

Create a new group in /etc/insserv.conf, and name the scripts that are
required to start. Then list that group as a required start.


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Re: Power-down/halt problem in Debian Squeeze

[Неумник Некий]

> Looks like the system is doing it's thing, but fails to actually power
> down the hardware. This could indicate some ACPI problems. You could
> search for ACPI related problems with your mainboard. Also a BIOS update
> might help.

It started happening after a kernel upgrade.
Before that everything was fine.


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Re: Monitor question

[George]

On Fri, Dec 24, 2010 at 5:30 PM, Mark Neidorff  wrote:

> I'm tempted by the crop of wide screen 25" monitors on the market.

snip

> 2. Are there monitors that do not support text mode out there?  I'm asking
> because I do as much work on my server as possible in text mode, only using X
> when absolutely necessary.  I also feel the need to watch the boot messages
> go by at times.  If a monitor can't display text mode, then it will be
> useless to me.

If you do your work in text mode, why do you want a widescreen monitor?
Widescreen is good for films but horrible when it comes to reading, which is
what you normally use your computer for.


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Re: Any kmail filtering advice?

[Steve McCarthy]

On Monday 27 Dec 2010, Camaleón wrote:
> Hum... maybe you are looking for a way of telling Kmail that e-mails 
> coming from selected users (in address book or by manually selection)
> is  "ham" (and never tagged as spam, kinda whitelisting in SA
> parlance).
> 
> This should be easy to achieve by using anti-spam measures (SA, 
> bogofilter) along with filtering actions (rules). 
> 
> Here there are some tips:
> 
> http://maketecheasier.com/how-to-create-email-filters-with-kmail/2010/0
> 1/11 http://userbase.kde.org/KMail/Tools#Anti-Spam_Tools


Thanks for an interesting idea.  I'll explore existing SPAM methods 
further.  I admit I've never looked under the hood of SA.

steve


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Re: RLIMIT_MEMLOCK prevents burning CDROM

[shawn wilson]

First, I would burn something to see if it works. Look at the bottom of the
wodim man page for examples of the process. Then dd the cd back to a file
(ex - dd if=/dev/cdrom of=copy.iso). Then ls -l and compare sizes and do a
diff if they compare ok. Then let us know.
Btw, your options *look* correct, just thought I'd let you know of those
examples. Also about a week or so, we had a discussion about scripting cd
verification - some of that might be worth a read. I don't really use k3b so
can't really offer much advise there. But, once you can burn something from
command, k3b should be easy enough to figure out.

Re: RLIMIT_MEMLOCK prevents burning CDROM

[Chris Bannister]

On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 06:13:15PM -0500, Ken Heard wrote:
> Chris Bannister wrote:
> 
> > On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 03:21:11PM -0500, Ken Heard wrote:
> > That is just an example. 
> > You need to replace cdimage.raw with the image you wish to burn to CD.
> 
> I have finally just now tried what you suggested.  My first problem was
> lack of a cdimage to burn.

The initial problem was that you had an image BUT it wouldn't burn with
k3b. My suggestion was to use the command above WITH the image that
wouldn't burn with k3b to see what the result was.

> purpose the genisoimage package which was already installed in my box
> because k3b depends on it.
> 
> So first I created the cdimage by running
> 
> genisoimage -v WQ2009 -r -o WQ2009.iso (I think)

So this is a different image which you have just now created to try out
the above command, and you are not sure if you created it properly?
 
> - From the googling I also discovered that mislabeling IDE drives can
> cause errors.  I checked them and discovered that both /dev/hda (the
> CD-DVD drive) and /dev/hdb (the Iomega 750 mb zip drive) were slaves; so
> I changed the hda to be the master and leave hdb as the slave.  I must

So now you have added another variable to the equation. Complicates
things, and who knows, this change alone might fix your original
problem. Note: I have no idea whether this is the case, but the act of
taking the drives out etc, may have some affect depending on what is
causing the problem.

> I then ran, as you suggested, with one change:
> 
> wodim -v -multi speed=2 dev=/dev/hda WQ2009.iso
> which returned the following:
> 
> d...@sol:~/mine$ wodim -v -multi speed=2 dev=/dev/hda WQ2009.iso
> ATIP info from disk:
>   Indicated writing power: 5
>   Is not unrestricted
>   Is not erasable
>   Disk sub type: Medium Type A, high Beta category (A+) (3)
>   ATIP start of lead in:  -11634 (97:26/66)
>   ATIP start of lead out: 359846 (79:59/71)
> Disk type:Short strategy type (Phthalocyanine or similar)
> Manuf. index: 3
> Manufacturer: CMC Magnetics Corporation
> Blocks total: 359846 Blocks current: 359846 Blocks remaining: 158621

This is not a brand spanking new CDR?

> Forcespeed is OFF.
> Speed set to 1411 KB/s
> Starting to write CD/DVD at speed   8.0 in real TAO mode for multi session.
> Last chance to quit, starting real write in0 seconds. Operation starts.
> Waiting for reader process to fill input buffer ... input buffer ready.
> Performing OPC...
> Starting new track at sector: 0
> Track 01:0 of  393 MB written.Errno: 0 (Success), write_g1 scsi
> sendcmd: no error
> CDB:  2A 00 00 00 00 3E 00 00 1F 00
> status: 0x2 (CHECK CONDITION)
> Sense Bytes: 70 00 04 00 00 00 00 0A 00 00 00 00 08 03 00 00
> Sense Key: 0x4 Hardware Error, Segment 0
 ^

> Sense Code: 0x08 Qual 0x03 (logical unit communication crc error
> (ultra-dma/32)) Fru 0x0
> Sense flags: Blk 0 (not valid)
> resid: 63488
> cmd finished after 0.004s timeout 40s

> So I still cannot write CDs and presumably DVDs as well.  Line 15 and
> below of the message contain the error message which I do not understand.

Try with a good iso image, a netinst or similar should do. Try again
with *that* known good image and with out any multi mumbo jumbo.


> I added the -multi option in the hope that I would not render unusable
> any more CD disks beyond the four already so rendered. 

Unfortunately, that is one of the side effects with problems such as
this. It is also a problem with printer problems. :( 

I think there is a dry run option with wodim.

> that Konqueror opened the CD and listed the directories and files, but I
> when I tried to open the files all I got as a blank page.

The disk is crook!

> I then tried to see what would happen in K3b.  Clicking on the icon to
> import a previous multisession into the current project worked, and the
   
???

> projects window showed all the names of the directories and of the files
> which were ostensibly burned.
> I next tried to move one from the upper to the lower window one of the
> files in the lower window list.  I was then asked whether I wanted to
> overwrite the file listed but not in fact there.  I answered yes and K3b
> did so.

Yes, but the disk is crook right? So anything else won't magically fix
it, despite what the program says.

> I would certainly appreciate it if you could explain to what the error
> message means and what I need to do to be able to burn disks again.

I read it as the drive doesn't like the disk or the image.

"Sense Key: 0x4 Hardware Error, Segment 0" and "logical unit
communication crc error" with "Sense flags: Blk 0 (not valid)"

Try burning a netinst image on to a new CDR disk with the command:

wodim -v speed=2 dev=/dev/hda .iso

where .iso is the netinst image you download from the Debian site.

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Re: Any kmail filtering advice?

[Steve McCarthy]

On Friday 24 Dec 2010, Chris Davies wrote:
> To do this is straightforward if somewhat fiddly.
> 
> - Enable junk/spam processing (I assume KMail can do this)
> - Create a filter for each of the known shops and mailing lists

Yes, I think this is essentially the Thunderbird approach.  Each 
acceptable address must be captured somewhere for future comparison.  If 
not the address book, the filter chain will do the trick.  Thanks.

steve


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Re: Activating Emacs packages without restarting Emacs

[Bob Proulx]

Jordi Gutiérrez Hermoso wrote:
> No, this has got nothing to do with system-wide locations or Debian
> packaging. :-(
> 
> I've tried things like looking at the .el files that a Debian package
> provides and try to execute them, but that's error-prone. I was hoping
> for a method like "eval this elisp file" and see if that worked.

Since you are running a dpkg/apt system try this:

  dpkg -L someemacspackage

For example emacs-jabber or emacs-goodies-el or some such.  You will
almost always find a file in /etc/emacs/site-start.d that initializes
that package.  Load just that file in emacs.

  $ dpkg -L w3m-el | grep site-start.d/
  /etc/emacs/site-start.d/50w3m-el.el

Then in emacs you can try:

  M-x load-file
  Load file: /etc/emacs/site-start.d/50w3m-el.el

Or

  M-: (load-file "/etc/emacs/site-start.d/50w3m-el.el")

Bob


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Re: chronyc settime and digital clock in LXDE in Squeeze

[John Hasler]

Slicky Johnson writes:
> Perhaps when evoking 'settime' chrony adds it's own format.

Chrony does nothing that has anything to do with formats.
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Re: need motherboard recommendation

[Stan Hoeppner]

Russell L. Harris put forth on 12/27/2010 7:10 PM:

> Ah-so!  Now I see your point of confusion.  At the start of the
> thread, I mentioned two motherboards -- a P5Q-EM and a M3A78-T.  With
> the M3A78-T there were line artifacts.  But with the P5Q-EM, the
> problem was simply that the display went blank when X started; there
> were no line artifacts.

Thank you for clarifying that.  Yes, I understood that you had the line
problem with both motherboards.

> I understand what you are saying; but from my perspective, life is too
> short and components are too inexpensive to spend hours and days with
> this, when there is a work-around.  I replaced the M3A78-T with
> another motherboard, using the same chassis and power supply, and
> there is no problem with line artifacts.  The M3A78-T obviously is
> defective.

Given my understanding of the problem, no matter how many times you
swapped the motherboards the problem would persist because it lay in
something other than the electronics.

However, depending on the dollar value of one's time, I can wholly agree
with your point.  Replacing an entire PC with a branded unit can be done
for around $300-400 sans monitor today, or with a cheap bundled 17" LCD
during a sale (Dell, HP, etc).  Replacing the entire unit would have
solved the problem I foresaw.  Although, one still has drive cloning or
OS/app/data reinstall labor on the bill.  If you have an easy and
reliable drive cloning process this time is minimal.

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Re: chronyc settime and digital clock in LXDE in Squeeze

[John Hasler]

peasthope writes:
> "Clock Format" is set to %R, which according to strftime.man specifies
> a 24 hour format.

Try %H:%M:%S

> After chronyc settime 16:50 the clock displays 4:50.

What did it display before the chronyc command?

> Am I misusing chronyc? 

Chronyc merely talks to chronyd which messes with the system clock.  It
has nothing to do with display formats.

> Is the digital clock in LXDE unable to display the 24 hour format?

A quick Google indicates that it can.
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Re: Monitor question

[Stan Hoeppner]

Chris Jones put forth on 12/27/2010 7:00 PM:
> On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 10:57:31AM EST, Camaleón wrote:
>> On Fri, 24 Dec 2010 10:30:57 -0500, Mark Neidorff wrote:
> 
> [..]
> 
>> When it comes to LCD/TFT, you have to pay attention to native
>> resolution. 
> 
> I agree. And the highest you can get. 

Not necessarily.  This is highly dependent on the users(s) of the monitor.

I built my folks a new PC last year (Athlon II X2 Rigor 2.8 w/ ATI north
bridge video) and got them a 24" Asus widescreen LCD to go with it.  Dad
is 73 Mom is 68.  Dad wears trifocals and Mom bifocals.  No matter what
font size (WinXP) I selected, the native 1920x1080 panel res just didn't
work for them although it was perfect for me.  I ended up setting the
res at 1280x720 with small fonts.  It's not as sharp (to me) but perfect
for them, and they can't fathom how they got along with a 17" MAG CRT
for for the 5 prior years.  Dad no longer has to lean forward and tilt
his head back simultaneously.  I'm surprised the old 17" CRT didn't
cause a permanent craning of his neck.

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Re: need motherboard recommendation

[Russell L. Harris]

* Stan Hoeppner  [101228 00:28]:
> consider 10 years of pretty harsh duty a "long life".  Who knows how
> many years my BP6 has left in it.  Hopefully at least a few, as I still
> love this board, and it works great in its current role.

When one speaks of the lifetime of a capacitor, the usual meaning is
the USEFUL lifetime; this lifetime is limited by the ability of the
capacitor to provide sufficient capacitance without excessive
resistance, as well as by catastrophic failure of the device.

Capacity decreases with time and heat; resistance increases with time
and heat.  Excessive resistance leads to heating, and excessive
heating causes internal pressure which leads to shorting or bursting.

Electrolytic capacitors are not precision devices; the capacitance of
an electrolytic typically is specified as +100 percent/-10 percent (or
thereabouts).  So a capacitor which has a nominal value of 100
microFarad may, when new, actually have a capacity anywhere in the
range of 90mF to 200mF.  It should be obvious that a nominal 100mF
capacitor which starts out at 200mF is likely to have a longer useful
life than is one which starts out at 90mF.

If the capacitor is used in a filter circuit, the ripple increases as
the capacitance falls.  When the ripple becomes so great that the
circuit no longer functions properly, the capacitor has reached the
end of its useful life, even though it may still hold a charge.

RLH



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Re: need motherboard recommendation

[Russell L. Harris]

* Stan Hoeppner  [101228 00:28]:
> Paul I get the feeling you've read a lot of forums and magazines, and
> know some people who might know their stuff, but that you personally
> don't really have any experience as a PC/server hardware tech.  Is this
> an accurate assessment?

I am not a technician; I am an engineer.  My experience includes
electronic design.  

But this is not a question of my credentials.  As a trip to the
library would verify, the capacitor problem was front-page news and
the subject of feature articles in respected professional publications
such as Electronic Design, Electronic Engineering Times, and EDN.

Furthermore, the limited life of electrolytics is well-known in
industry.  A typical Sprague data sheet from the 1970's lists the
shelf life of a particular electrolytic as two or three years; and the
service life as five years.

Accordingly, in the petrochemical industry, spare electronic modules
for critical machinery -- such as the governor for a large steam
turbine -- were stored in special racks which kept them powered up
continuously.

But enough of this; the thread has gotten far off-topic.

RLH


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Re: whats wrong with my internet connection checker script?

[shawn wilson]

On Dec 27, 2010 7:54 AM, "Joe"  wrote:
>
> On Sun, 26 Dec 2010 23:57:42 +
> Chris Davies  wrote:
>
> > S Mathias  wrote:
> > > ping -W 1 -c 4 google.com >& /dev/null | grep "100% packet loss"
> > > ping -W 1 -c 4 www.yahoo.com >& /dev/null | grep "100% packet loss"
> >
> > > both sides "false", because they have no output, because google.com
> > > and www.yahoo.com is reachable.
> >
> > Or because your local system is so offline that it's got no way of
> > resolving those names to IP addresses.
> >
> > I'd recommend you turn your pattern match around to look for any sort
> > of success, rather than one specific instance of failure.
> >
>
> I would recommend going further than that: I've often seen a router
> pass pings and replies by DNS but not web pages or some other protocols.
> My current scripts check for specific strings from up to six websites,
> rotating the order each time so one site doesn't get too much traffic.
> There is a log kept which I check every month or two to confirm the
> sites still contain the strings.
>
> It may seem a bit overengineered, but I made progressively more and more
> complex scripts until they worked reliably and without false positives,
> and I'm afraid this was the point I reached. They haven't changed for
> some years now, nor has the number increased beyond six.
>
> Here's a fragment from script rw1:
>
> logfile="/var/log/routerboot"
> echo -e -n `date`  >> $logfile
> echo -n " -rw1- "  >> $logfile
> count=0
> count=$((count+`curl -s www.google.com | grep -c content-type`))
> echo -n $count >> $logfile
> if [ $count -eq 0 ]
> then
>  count=$((count+`curl -s www.google.co.uk | grep -c content-type`))
>  echo -n $count >> $logfile
>  if [ $count -eq 0 ]
>  then
> .. etc, culminating in router reboot code ...

First, your correct that ping tests aren't the end all be all and if you
can't access the web, you've got issues one way or the other. However, if
you're going to go as far as to start testing different protocols on a line,
you might as well base your script on scapy framework and call it a day
(complete low level control of the build up and breakdown of a protocol).
Also, you can ask nmap to do a full handshake.

Re: chronyc settime and digital clock in LXDE in Squeeze

[Slicky Johnson]

On Mon, 27 Dec 2010 05:01:19 -0700
peasth...@shaw.ca wrote:

> Folk,
> 
> "Clock Format" is set to %R, which according to strftime.man 
> specifies a 24 hour format.
> 
> After chronyc settime 16:50 the clock displays 4:50.  
> 
> Am I misusing chronyc?  Is the digital clock in LXDE unable 
> to display the 24 hour format?
> 
> Thanks for any ideas, ... Peter E.
> 


I use chrony as well but with gnome. I've never used 'settime'
and have allowed chrony to manage the time on its own which has worked
well for a couple of years now. Perhaps when evoking 'settime' chrony
adds it's own format. Maybe dig around in chrony's rc file?


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Re: need motherboard recommendation

[Russell L. Harris]

* Stan Hoeppner  [101228 00:28]:
> The line artifacts you describe, if you are indeed describing them
> accurately, are nearly always caused by static stray magnetic fields.
> Something as innocuous as a small decorative refrigerator magnet stuck
> to the PC case can cause things like this.
> 
> I can almost guarantee you from knowledge and experience that if you
> have the same line artifacts with two different mobo models or two
> different vid cards that it's not the mobos or vid cards causing the
> problem.

Ah-so!  Now I see your point of confusion.  At the start of the
thread, I mentioned two motherboards -- a P5Q-EM and a M3A78-T.  With
the M3A78-T there were line artifacts.  But with the P5Q-EM, the
problem was simply that the display went blank when X started; there
were no line artifacts.

The X problem began with the installation of Lenny (stable); it was
not present in Etch, and it disappeared once I installed Squeeze
(testing).

The line artifacts problem has persisted with multiple monitors (each
with its own cable), multiple physical locations, and three trips back
to the US Asus facility.  Moreover, I have no external video card; the
problem is in the on-board graphics of the M3A78-T.  The only thing in
common was the chassis and an Asus power supply.


 
> Did you ever actually bench test your components?  I highly doubt you
> did or you'd have already discovered the boards aren't the problem.  You
> have not described any detailed troubleshooting or bench testing
> procedures, only anecdotal evidence.
> 
> For instance, if you are doing all your mobo testing inside the case,
> then you haven't followed proper thorough testing procedure.  You need
> to eliminate _every_ component, including "inert components" of the
> system, including the case itself.

I understand what you are saying; but from my perspective, life is too
short and components are too inexpensive to spend hours and days with
this, when there is a work-around.  I replaced the M3A78-T with
another motherboard, using the same chassis and power supply, and
there is no problem with line artifacts.  The M3A78-T obviously is
defective.

RLH


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Re: Monitor question

[Chris Jones]

On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 10:57:31AM EST, Camaleón wrote:
> On Fri, 24 Dec 2010 10:30:57 -0500, Mark Neidorff wrote:

[..]

> When it comes to LCD/TFT, you have to pay attention to native
> resolution. 

I agree. And the highest you can get. 

> Look, 17" displays tend to use the same resolution (dots per inch)
> than 19" ones (1280x1024) so people tend to think they gain when
> buying a 17" screen because they get the same viewable area but they
> pay less (17" monitors are cheaper).

Being near-sighted, a 17" monitor suits me best: with larger monitors,
I am so close to the display that I constantly have to move my head to
the right, to the left, to the right.. and end up with a crick in the
neck. :-)

> But I prefer to stick to 19" LCD screens (and avoid as much as I can
> those wide/narrow screens, 16:9 or 16:10) because text and icons are
> larger than in 17" displays and I get a good resolution (1280x1024 is
> better than a wide screen (1280x800).

Have you had too much champagne over the holiday? :-) 

Last time I looked, all _affordable_ monitors I could find were 16:9
aka. Hollywood's preferred 1080p. And as far as recent laptop models are
concerned, they are all 16:9. From what I understand, the manufacturers
have stopped making proper _computer_ displays.

The 4:3 aspect ratio displays that I like.. or the possibly even better
5:4 that you recommend are pretty much a thing of the past. If I had the
money, I might purchase a couple of QSXGA 2560x2048 screens right now..
while they last. But apart from the fact that I am unsure they would
play well with X/linux and run-of-the-mill hardware, the price of such
fiends is rather a deterrent.

[..]

> OTOH, you can always adjust your DPI to a higher value (i.e., 120dpi) so 
> while you keep your current/recommended resolution, all, icons and text 
> will display bigger and your eyes will suffer less :-)

Yes, that's usually the sensible approach when you want to stick with
the native resolution of your physical screen (as you should) and
globally adjust the size of your fonts, icons, etc. to whatever suits
your particular preferences or your eyesight's idiosyncrasies. 

I have noticed that out of the box, and before you fool him by running
X with a lower dpi (such as 96), gnome presents you with large fonts and
icons that make your high-res display look as if it were a 1024x768 or
less. Rather than change font sizes in all kind of never obvious places,
reduce the height or the panels, etc. it is considerably easier and more
reliable to change the dpi and restart X.

cj


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chronyc settime and digital clock in LXDE in Squeeze

[peasthope]

Folk,

"Clock Format" is set to %R, which according to strftime.man 
specifies a 24 hour format.

After chronyc settime 16:50 the clock displays 4:50.  

Am I misusing chronyc?  Is the digital clock in LXDE unable 
to display the 24 hour format?

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Re: Activating Emacs packages without restarting Emacs

[Jordi Gutiérrez Hermoso]

On 12 December 2010 10:02, Camaleón  wrote:
> On Sun, 12 Dec 2010 08:03:09 -0600, Jordi Gutiérrez Hermoso wrote:
>
>> If I install an Emacs package with apt, how do I make it take hold in
>> Emacs without restarting Emacs? Does it vary per package?
>
> Maybe this helps:
>
> How To Install Emacs Packages
> http://xahlee.org/emacs/emacs_installing_packages.html

No, this has got nothing to do with system-wide locations or Debian
packaging. :-(

I've tried things like looking at the .el files that a Debian package
provides and try to execute them, but that's error-prone. I was hoping
for a method like "eval this elisp file" and see if that worked.

- Jordi G. H.


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Re: RLIMIT_MEMLOCK prevents burning CDROM

[Ken Heard]

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Chris Bannister wrote:

> On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 03:21:11PM -0500, Ken Heard wrote:
>> I assume that at some point during the burn process 'cdimage.raw' is
>> created by wodim from the files selected for burning.  If it had been
> 
> wodim -v speed=2 dev=/dev/hda cdimage.raw
> 
> That is just an example. 
> You need to replace cdimage.raw with the image you wish to burn to CD.

I have finally just now tried what you suggested.  My first problem was
lack of a cdimage to burn.  After some googling I discovered for the
purpose the genisoimage package which was already installed in my box
because k3b depends on it.

So first I created the cdimage by running

genisoimage -v WQ2009 -r -o WQ2009.iso (I think)

- From the googling I also discovered that mislabeling IDE drives can
cause errors.  I checked them and discovered that both /dev/hda (the
CD-DVD drive) and /dev/hdb (the Iomega 750 mb zip drive) were slaves; so
I changed the hda to be the master and leave hdb as the slave.  I must
say that the hda change had no effect on reading CDs and DVDs; I could
read both as before.  I could also continued read to and write from the
zip drive as before.

I then ran, as you suggested, with one change:

wodim -v -multi speed=2 dev=/dev/hda WQ2009.iso

which returned the following:

d...@sol:~/mine$ wodim -v -multi speed=2 dev=/dev/hda WQ2009.iso
wodim: No write mode specified.
wodim: Asuming -tao mode.
wodim: Future versions of wodim may have different drive dependent defaults.
TOC Type: 3 = CD-ROM XA mode 2
scsidev: '/dev/hda'
devname: '/dev/hda'
scsibus: -2 target: -2 lun: -2
Linux sg driver version: 3.5.27
Wodim version: 1.1.9
SCSI buffer size: 64512
Device type: Removable CD-ROM
Version: 0
Response Format: 2
Capabilities   :
Vendor_info: 'SONY'
Identification : 'DVD RW DW-D26A  '
Revision   : 'JYS2'
Device seems to be: Generic mmc2 DVD-R/DVD-RW.
Current: 0x0009 (CD-R)
Profile: 0x002B (DVD+R/DL)
Profile: 0x001B (DVD+R)
Profile: 0x001A (DVD+RW)
Profile: 0x0014 (DVD-RW sequential recording)
Profile: 0x0013 (DVD-RW restricted overwrite)
Profile: 0x0011 (DVD-R sequential recording)
Profile: 0x0010 (DVD-ROM)
Profile: 0x000A (CD-RW)
Profile: 0x0009 (CD-R) (current)
Profile: 0x0008 (CD-ROM)
Using generic SCSI-3/mmc   CD-R/CD-RW driver (mmc_cdr).
Driver flags   : MMC-3 SWABAUDIO BURNFREE FORCESPEED
Supported modes: TAO PACKET SAO SAO/R96P SAO/R96R RAW/R16 RAW/R96P RAW/R96R
Drive buf size : 1895168 = 1850 KB
Beginning DMA speed test. Set CDR_NODMATEST environment variable if device
communication breaks or freezes immediately after that.
FIFO size  : 12582912 = 12288 KB
Track 01: data   393 MB
Total size:  451 MB (44:43.00) = 201225 sectors
Lout start:  451 MB (44:45/00) = 201225 sectors
Current Secsize: 2048
ATIP info from disk:
  Indicated writing power: 5
  Is not unrestricted
  Is not erasable
  Disk sub type: Medium Type A, high Beta category (A+) (3)
  ATIP start of lead in:  -11634 (97:26/66)
  ATIP start of lead out: 359846 (79:59/71)
Disk type:Short strategy type (Phthalocyanine or similar)
Manuf. index: 3
Manufacturer: CMC Magnetics Corporation
Blocks total: 359846 Blocks current: 359846 Blocks remaining: 158621
Forcespeed is OFF.
Speed set to 1411 KB/s
Starting to write CD/DVD at speed   8.0 in real TAO mode for multi session.
Last chance to quit, starting real write in0 seconds. Operation starts.
Waiting for reader process to fill input buffer ... input buffer ready.
Performing OPC...
Starting new track at sector: 0
Track 01:0 of  393 MB written.Errno: 0 (Success), write_g1 scsi
sendcmd: no error
CDB:  2A 00 00 00 00 3E 00 00 1F 00
status: 0x2 (CHECK CONDITION)
Sense Bytes: 70 00 04 00 00 00 00 0A 00 00 00 00 08 03 00 00
Sense Key: 0x4 Hardware Error, Segment 0
Sense Code: 0x08 Qual 0x03 (logical unit communication crc error
(ultra-dma/32)) Fru 0x0
Sense flags: Blk 0 (not valid)
resid: 63488
cmd finished after 0.004s timeout 40s

write track data: error after 126976 bytes
wodim: A write error occured.
wodim: Please properly read the error message above.
Writing  time:   13.951s
Average write speed 320.6x.
Fixating...
Fixating time:   32.203s
BURN-Free was never needed.
wodim: fifo had 194 puts and 3 gets.
wodim: fifo was 0 times empty and 2 times full, min fill was 99%.
d...@sol:~/mine$

So I still cannot write CDs and presumably DVDs as well.  Line 15 and
below of the message contain the error message which I do not understand.

I added the -multi option in the hope that I would not render unusable
any more CD disks beyond the four already so rendered.  I found first
that Konqueror opened the CD and listed the directories and files, but I
when I tried to open the files all I got as a blank page.

I then tried to see what would happen in K3b.  Clicking on the icon to
import a previous multisession into the current project worked, and the
projects window showed all the names of the directories and of the files
which were 

insserv + apache2 + bind9 = pain

[Mike Bird]

If the Apache configuration needs DNS to start, Apache silently
and without logging anything fails to start in Squeeze.  This
used to work correctly under the old startup mechanism in Lenny.


In order to make Apache startup under insserv in cases where
the Apache config needs DNS information I eventually created
/etc/insserv/overrides/apache2 containing only:

#!/bin/sh
### BEGIN INIT INFO
# Provides:  apache2
# Required-Start:$local_fs $remote_fs $network $syslog $named
# Required-Stop: $local_fs $remote_fs $network $syslog $named
# Default-Start: 2 3 4 5
# Default-Stop:  0 1 6
# X-Interactive: true
# Short-Description: Start/stop apache2 web server
### END INIT INFO

... and then ran "insserv" and rebooted.


Is there a simpler solution?


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Re: curator replacement

[Stan Hoeppner]

godo put forth on 12/27/2010 2:01 PM:

> http://bins.sautret.org/
> http://marginalhacks.com/Hacks/album/


Camaleón put forth on 12/27/2010 2:01 PM:

> I dunno if "photon" (python based), "imageindex" (perl) or "jigl" (perl)
> can make use of multi-core/multi-threading capabilities but their
> features look pretty similar to "curator".


Thanks for the suggestions guys.  Imageindex looks the most promising,
so I'll give it a go first.  jigl has limited multiprocessing support
but I like the rest of imageindex better so far for my needs. I didn't
care for sautret or album much at all.

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Re: need motherboard recommendation

[tv.deb...@googlemail.com]

Le 27/12/2010 19:45, Stan Hoeppner a écrit :
> tv.deb...@googlemail.com put forth on 12/27/2010 3:24 AM:
> 
>> Frankly, I am not sure those technos are worth it on mother/gfx boards
>> unless you're a keeper, it will probably be replaced long before it
>> bursts a capacitor, much cheaper boards with whatever capacitors can
>> last for a couple of years should be good enough for most use.
> 
> FWIW, I have a manufactured in 1999 Abit BP6 PPGA 370 mobo with _dual_
> Mendocino Celeron 366s o'clocked to 550.  Currently it's in my headless
> home office Lenny smtpd/imapd/smbd/httpd/ftpd/webmail Swiss Army Knife
> server.  I bought the board in used condition off Ebay in 2002, so the
> original owner ran it for at least a couple of years before I acquired it.
> 
>>From 2002'ish to 2006 all it did was crunch 4 processes of the Linux
> s...@home client 24x7x365.  It's been running 24x7 for 8 years now, 4 of
> those at constant full CPU load.  It has the old industry standard
> cheapo caps.  It still runs fine, although a little slow at times by
> today's standards, mainly when manipulating photos and videos
> (imagemagick and ffmpeg) and running curator against dirs with thousands
> of jpgs.
> 
> AFAIK the caps haven't burst, though last I looked at the board, a year
> or so ago when I added a new SATA controller and drive, a few caps
> around the ZIF sockets were bulging a slight bit.  This board has seen
> more current load on its caps than most boards ever will due to the
> constant s...@home for 4 years.
> 
> My point is that tantalum caps might be nice and on average give longer
> life, but, they aren't absolutely necessary for long life.  If you
> consider 10 years of pretty harsh duty a "long life".  Who knows how
> many years my BP6 has left in it.  Hopefully at least a few, as I still
> love this board, and it works great in its current role.
> 

Nice, that's what I meant by "unless you're a keeper". I have an IBM
small form factor tower with some Pentium II, can't check since it's
retired at my mother's but still worked the last time I tried, was a
mt-daapd server for years. It is rather unlikely that it would fit the
OP as a replacement for his motherboards though...
I keep around an ECS board with a AMD Athlon XP socket A, it's been
working great and still does (4 years old loves it) despite the complete
lack of any fancy capacitor or such. But the main workhorses are
multimedia (video, mostly HD) stations, performances usually get dwarfed
by newer hardware every couple of years, and the (relatively) "old" gear
is replaced. In this league the computer is very unlikely to outlive
high quality components. Of course it doesn't hurt.


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Re: curator replacement

[Sven Hoexter]

On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 08:01:24PM +, Camaleón wrote:
> On Mon, 27 Dec 2010 13:09:26 -0600, Stan Hoeppner wrote:
> 
> > What's a good replacement for the curator photo album generating
> > package?  It was dropped from Debian at least a couple of years ago.
> 
> (...)
> 
> I dunno if "photon" (python based), "imageindex" (perl) or "jigl" (perl) 
> can make use of multi-core/multi-threading capabilities but their 
> features look pretty similar to "curator". 

I've replaced curator with jigl for myself. Though I think I still have
the last package I uploaded to Debian around. If someone dares to
use it (I think jigl is much better) mail me and I'll dig it out but this
should not go back into Debian. It's dead upstream and IIRC it still had
some open issue.

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Re: Problems download images in cdimage.debian.org

[Santiago José López Borrazás]

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El 27/12/10 21:47, godo escribió:
> I just tried it and works, I guess it was temporary error.

It is done. And work.

There are only errors that I have mentioned before to do with jigdo-lite.

The rest is all right.

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Re: Problems download images in cdimage.debian.org

[godo]

On 12/27/2010 07:34 PM, Santiago José López Borrazás wrote:

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Hi:

There is a problem, I do not know if it's widespread or not.

When I download something, for example here:

http://hammurabi.acc.umu.se/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/i386/iso-cd/debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso

The system shows me this error:

Forbidden

You don't have permission to access
/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/i386/iso-cd/debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso
on this server.
Apache/2.2.14 (Unix) Server at ftp.acc.umu.se Port 80

I wonder. Is it a temporary problem, or has bad permissions server?
Where or what I under the image server?



Thank's in advance.

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I just tried it and works, I guess it was temporary error.

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Re: need motherboard recommendation

[Stan Hoeppner]

Russell L. Harris put forth on 12/27/2010 4:40 AM:

> In view of the fact that capacitors are the Achilles Heel of the PC
> motherboard

Cheap case designs and motherboard designs with poor ventilation around
the CPU socket VRM mosfets are, not caps.  Far more motherboards fail
due to VRM fets burning up than from caps popping, or anything else for
that matter.  And these failures occur long before cheap caps pop,
especially during summer in non air conditioned environments.

In the few years early in my career when I did almost exclusively
PC/server builds and maintenance, I never saw a dead board with blown
caps.  ALL of them were due to, roughly in order of frequency:

1.  Manufacturing defect (board trace)
2.  Burned VRMs due to inadequate airflow or defective FETs
3.  Direct shorts due to improper installation (screw stuck between the
PCB and the mounting tray).  These usually caught during burn-in.
4.  PSU going south and taking out the VRMs due to DC voltage surges
5.  Lightning strikes through phone lines into ISA/PCI modems

Interestingly I remember one server I repaired that lost the fax modem,
the SCSI card next to it, and the NIC next to the SCSI card.  All 3 PCI
slots were dead, but the motherboard otherwise functioned flawlessly.
Every other lighting strike victim I serviced had a fried mobo.  This
one was unique.  Thus I kept it, and still have it in storage somewhere.
 I pulled it out a fews years later to fire it up and convince a
non-believer.  It still smelled of burned epoxy resin (and still worked,
but for those 3 PCI slots).

Paul I get the feeling you've read a lot of forums and magazines, and
know some people who might know their stuff, but that you personally
don't really have any experience as a PC/server hardware tech.  Is this
an accurate assessment?

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Re: curator replacement

[godo]

On 12/27/2010 08:09 PM, Stan Hoeppner wrote:

What's a good replacement for the curator photo album generating
package?  It was dropped from Debian at least a couple of years ago.

I'd like something that doesn't suck performance wise due to python code
that can't be optimized by psyco.  Something that uses multiple
processes or threads would be fantastic as I'll be running it on a dual
CPU box, one that is rather old, 500 MHz CPUs.  Curator is a serial
single threaded process and thus only uses on CPU (or core).

Basically I want the features of curator, but in something that runs
much faster.  Generating the individual image pages takes _forever_ on
dirs with thousands of jpg files.  I'm guessing if someone with the
necessary python skill rewrote curator's function layout in a manner
that psyco could optimize, that it would be plenty fast on the
aforementioned machine.  Currently it takes on the order of .5 seconds
to generate each ~2K html page.  A 500 MHz CPU should be able to
generate at least 10 times as many html pages per second if the curator
python code performance didn't suck.

I'd like something similar that generates static image pages with the
nice index pages curator does.  A db driven system won't work for
creating CDs full of images to distribute.


Hi,
I'm not using any photo album so I don’t know how this 2 works but they 
generate html/css/js without db. It seems that they are very 
customizable and that have lot of options. Both are in Perl.


http://bins.sautret.org/
http://marginalhacks.com/Hacks/album/




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Re: curator replacement

[Camaleón]

On Mon, 27 Dec 2010 13:09:26 -0600, Stan Hoeppner wrote:

> What's a good replacement for the curator photo album generating
> package?  It was dropped from Debian at least a couple of years ago.

(...)

I dunno if "photon" (python based), "imageindex" (perl) or "jigl" (perl) 
can make use of multi-core/multi-threading capabilities but their 
features look pretty similar to "curator". 

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Re: need motherboard recommendation

[Stan Hoeppner]

Russell L. Harris put forth on 12/27/2010 4:28 AM:

> None of these are a factor; the nearest potential source of
> interference is a ceiling fluorescent fixture.  And I see the same
> pattern with the machine in different rooms.

The line artifacts you describe, if you are indeed describing them
accurately, are nearly always caused by static stray magnetic fields.
Something as innocuous as a small decorative refrigerator magnet stuck
to the PC case can cause things like this.

I can almost guarantee you from knowledge and experience that if you
have the same line artifacts with two different mobo models or two
different vid cards that it's not the mobos or vid cards causing the
problem.

Did you ever actually bench test your components?  I highly doubt you
did or you'd have already discovered the boards aren't the problem.  You
have not described any detailed troubleshooting or bench testing
procedures, only anecdotal evidence.

For instance, if you are doing all your mobo testing inside the case,
then you haven't followed proper thorough testing procedure.  You need
to eliminate _every_ component, including "inert components" of the
system, including the case itself.

If anyone ever in the history of that case stuck a magnet on it,
especially one of any strength, for any length of time, the case itself
will now be magnetized, unless it's an all aluminum jobby.  Alums make
up less than 1% of the market and this isn't a home gaming/overclocking
kids, so odds are very high you have a steel case.  A magnetized case
could cause the exact problem you describe.

I've seen this exact scenario before in custom car stereo shop.  One of
the trunk monkeys (installers) had affixed a coax door speaker to the PC
case in the owners office, being the dichotomous ignorant know-it-all
kid he was.  He'd stealthily removed it when the owners wife started
complaining about lines on the screen.  They wanted to replace the CRT,
so I took it back to the shop when I went for the replacement.  I tested
it first.  No lines.  Took the new one out--lines.  I touched a paper
clip to the case and it stuck.  Bingo.  The installer later copped to
sticking a speaker to the case and apologized, claiming ignorance.  At
least he was being honest.

It's touch for a know-it-all to admit ignorance.

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Re: Problems download images in cdimage.debian.org

[Santiago José López Borrazás]

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El 27/12/10 19:34, Santiago José López Borrazás escribió:

More:

I download the debian-testing packages with jigdo-lite just gives me
this error:

FINISHED --2010-12-27 20:27:24--
Downloaded: 5 files, 3,9K in 0s (42,7 MB/s)
Found 5 of the 5 files required by the template

Error:
`debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso.tmpdir/us.cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/snapshot/Debian/pool/main/c/choose-mirror/choose-mirror_2.37_all.udeb'
does not match checksum in template data
Error:
`debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso.tmpdir/us.cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/snapshot/Debian/pool/main/a/auto-install/ai-console-setup-udeb_1.9_all.udeb'
does not match checksum in template data
Error:
`debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso.tmpdir/us.cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/snapshot/Debian/pool/main/a/auto-install/ai-kbd-chooser_1.9_all.udeb'
does not match checksum in template data
Error:
`debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso.tmpdir/us.cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/snapshot/Debian/pool/main/a/auto-install/ai-localechooser_1.9_all.udeb'
does not match checksum in template data
Error:
`debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso.tmpdir/us.cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/snapshot/Debian/pool/main/a/auto-install/auto-install-nonet_1.9_all.udeb'
does not match checksum in template data

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Just give me what the checksum that are not well of those 5 files.

Other Debian files are correct. I just fail them.

Any ideas?

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Re: matching udev attribute keys

[Camaleón]

On Mon, 27 Dec 2010 13:20:37 -0500, Tom H wrote:

> On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 10:17 AM, Camaleón  wrote:
>> On Sun, 26 Dec 2010 15:58:08 -0800, briand wrote:
>>
>>> how do I know that "SerialNumber" is a valid udev key other than the
>>> fact that it is listed in dmesg when the device is plugged in.
>>
>> For instance, my USB key has at least one "ATTRS{serial}" value:
>>
>> s...@stt008:~$ udevinfo -a -p /sys/block/sdc | grep serial
>>    ATTRS{serial}==":00:1a.7"
>>
>> But not my internal hard disks, neither from udevinfo:
>>
>> s...@stt008:~$ udevinfo -a -p /sys/block/sda | grep serial
>> s...@stt008:~$ udevinfo -a -p /sys/block/sdb | grep serial
>> s...@stt008:~$
> 
> Question:
> 
> You use the equivalent of "udevadm info --attribute-walk
> --path=/sys/block/sda".
> 
> What if you use "udevadm info --query=property --path=/sys/block/sda"
> and it outputs an "ID_SERIAL"? Can it be used in a udev rule?

I'd say yes, provided it is an ENV (E) key and you write the propper rule:

http://www.reactivated.net/writing_udev_rules.html#env

Look:

stt008:~# udevadm info --query all --name=/dev/sdb
P: /block/sdb
N: sdb
S: block/8:16
S: disk/by-id/ata-ST3500320NS_
S: disk/by-id/scsi-SATA_ST3500320NS_
S: disk/by-path/pci-:00:1f.2-scsi-1:0:0:0
E: ID_VENDOR=ATA
E: ID_MODEL=ST3500320NS
E: ID_REVISION=SN06
E: ID_SERIAL=SATA_ST3500320NS_
E: ID_SERIAL_SHORT=
E: ID_TYPE=disk
E: ID_BUS=scsi
E: ID_ATA_COMPAT=ST3500320NS_xxx
E: ID_PATH=pci-:00:1f.2-scsi-1:0:0:0

"P" must be "path", "N" must be "name", "S" must be "symlink" and "E" has 
to be "environment".

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curator replacement

[Stan Hoeppner]

What's a good replacement for the curator photo album generating
package?  It was dropped from Debian at least a couple of years ago.

I'd like something that doesn't suck performance wise due to python code
that can't be optimized by psyco.  Something that uses multiple
processes or threads would be fantastic as I'll be running it on a dual
CPU box, one that is rather old, 500 MHz CPUs.  Curator is a serial
single threaded process and thus only uses on CPU (or core).

Basically I want the features of curator, but in something that runs
much faster.  Generating the individual image pages takes _forever_ on
dirs with thousands of jpg files.  I'm guessing if someone with the
necessary python skill rewrote curator's function layout in a manner
that psyco could optimize, that it would be plenty fast on the
aforementioned machine.  Currently it takes on the order of .5 seconds
to generate each ~2K html page.  A 500 MHz CPU should be able to
generate at least 10 times as many html pages per second if the curator
python code performance didn't suck.

I'd like something similar that generates static image pages with the
nice index pages curator does.  A db driven system won't work for
creating CDs full of images to distribute.

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Problems download images in cdimage.debian.org

[Santiago José López Borrazás]

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Hi:

There is a problem, I do not know if it's widespread or not.

When I download something, for example here:

http://hammurabi.acc.umu.se/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/i386/iso-cd/debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso

The system shows me this error:

Forbidden

You don't have permission to access
/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/i386/iso-cd/debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso
on this server.
Apache/2.2.14 (Unix) Server at ftp.acc.umu.se Port 80

I wonder. Is it a temporary problem, or has bad permissions server?
Where or what I under the image server?

The link points to another direction. That is, instead of being in
CDImage, points directly to another server that it appears above.

Also indicate, links do not work under Bittorrent.

And there are also problems with Jigdo, who apparently are missing to
complete 5 files (scripts).

I assume that this is a problem temproal.

To know.

Thank's in advance.

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Re: need motherboard recommendation

[Stan Hoeppner]

tv.deb...@googlemail.com put forth on 12/27/2010 3:24 AM:

> Frankly, I am not sure those technos are worth it on mother/gfx boards
> unless you're a keeper, it will probably be replaced long before it
> bursts a capacitor, much cheaper boards with whatever capacitors can
> last for a couple of years should be good enough for most use.

FWIW, I have a manufactured in 1999 Abit BP6 PPGA 370 mobo with _dual_
Mendocino Celeron 366s o'clocked to 550.  Currently it's in my headless
home office Lenny smtpd/imapd/smbd/httpd/ftpd/webmail Swiss Army Knife
server.  I bought the board in used condition off Ebay in 2002, so the
original owner ran it for at least a couple of years before I acquired it.

>From 2002'ish to 2006 all it did was crunch 4 processes of the Linux
s...@home client 24x7x365.  It's been running 24x7 for 8 years now, 4 of
those at constant full CPU load.  It has the old industry standard
cheapo caps.  It still runs fine, although a little slow at times by
today's standards, mainly when manipulating photos and videos
(imagemagick and ffmpeg) and running curator against dirs with thousands
of jpgs.

AFAIK the caps haven't burst, though last I looked at the board, a year
or so ago when I added a new SATA controller and drive, a few caps
around the ZIF sockets were bulging a slight bit.  This board has seen
more current load on its caps than most boards ever will due to the
constant s...@home for 4 years.

My point is that tantalum caps might be nice and on average give longer
life, but, they aren't absolutely necessary for long life.  If you
consider 10 years of pretty harsh duty a "long life".  Who knows how
many years my BP6 has left in it.  Hopefully at least a few, as I still
love this board, and it works great in its current role.

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Re: matching udev attribute keys

[Tom H]

On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 10:17 AM, Camaleón  wrote:
> On Sun, 26 Dec 2010 15:58:08 -0800, briand wrote:
>
>> how do I know that "SerialNumber" is a valid udev key other than the
>> fact that it is listed in dmesg when the device is plugged in.
>
> For instance, my USB key has at least one "ATTRS{serial}" value:
>
> s...@stt008:~$ udevinfo -a -p /sys/block/sdc | grep serial
>    ATTRS{serial}==":00:1a.7"
>
> But not my internal hard disks, neither from udevinfo:
>
> s...@stt008:~$ udevinfo -a -p /sys/block/sda | grep serial
> s...@stt008:~$ udevinfo -a -p /sys/block/sdb | grep serial
> s...@stt008:~$

Question:

You use the equivalent of "udevadm info --attribute-walk --path=/sys/block/sda".

What if you use "udevadm info --query=property --path=/sys/block/sda"
and it outputs an "ID_SERIAL"? Can it be used in a udev rule?


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Re: matching udev attribute keys

[Tom H]

On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 7:07 PM,   wrote:
> On Mon, 27 Dec 2010 15:17:01 + (UTC)
> Camaleón  wrote:
>> On Sun, 26 Dec 2010 15:58:08 -0800, briand wrote:
>>
>> > how do I know that "SerialNumber" is a valid udev key other than the
>> > fact that it is listed in dmesg when the device is plugged in.
>>
>> Available information for the sysfs attributes can be fetched (if
>> present):
>>
>> http://reactivated.net/writing_udev_rules.html#sysfstree
>>
>> For what I see, this means that you can use both ("sysfstree"
>> attribute values and "udevinfo" ones) for writing rules, just ensure
>> the attribute you are going to use is present in one of the locations
>> from where udev gathers the data.
>>
>> For instance, my USB key has at least one "ATTRS{serial}" value:
>>
>> s...@stt008:~$ udevinfo -a -p /sys/block/sdc | grep serial
>>     ATTRS{serial}==":00:1a.7"
>>
>
> This is the problem, I can't get the above format because I can't find
> the udevinfo program !
>
> I'm running unstable and the package search says it doesn't exist.
>
> Is there some way to use udev to give the same format ?

udevadm info ...


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Re: dpkg upgrade: no query to proceed with upgrade

[Bob Proulx]

Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:
> My Sid upgraded dpkg from 1.15.8.6->1.15.8.7 and now apt-get
> dist-upgrade no longer asks if I want to proceed, but starts the
> upgrade immediately.
> 
> Anybody else notice this, or is it just me?

I have:

  ii  apt0.8.10 Advanced front-end for dpkg
  ii  dpkg   1.15.8.7   Debian package management system

And dist-upgrade is behaving normally for me today:

  ...
  16 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
  Need to get 11.2 MB/37.8 MB of archives.
  After this operation, 188 kB of additional disk space will be used.
  Do you want to continue [Y/n]?

Bob


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Re: Re: whats wrong with my internet connection checker script?

[Bob Proulx]

Jasper Noë wrote:
> >$ ping -c 4 -w 4 google.com &> /dev/null && ping -c 4 -w 4 www.yahoo.com &> 
> >/dev/null || echo "no internet connection"
> 
> But, but, ... if the ping to google succeeds, and the ping to yahoo
> fails, it prints "no internet".
> 
> $ ping -c 4 -w 4 google.com &> /dev/null || ping -c 4 -w 4 www.yahoo.com &> 
> /dev/null || echo "no internet connection"

I think the intent of S Mathias's original was that both sites needed
to be up and online or a failure would be reported.  I think the
intent was that if either one or the other didn't work then report a
failure.  Because of the included four test cases that showed all four
of the possibilities.

Your test here changes that behavior.  As to whether this is a good
idea to do it one way or the other way is a different question.  As to
whether it should be the other way around with a success being if
either ping succeeds that I don't know.  I am not sure what this test
is being used for.  But it is a different test.

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Re: o/t ipod

[Camaleón]

On Sun, 26 Dec 2010 06:32:34 -0600, Ted Wager wrote:

> My son has bought me an ipodtouch for Xmas..Anyone tell me how I can
> transfer the music files on his ipod to mine ?..I only have Linux on my
> machines but can get access to a Winbox at a neighbours...

Beside all the good advice you got, you may also find interesthing this 
wiki page:

http://wiki.debian.org/iPhone


I still fail to see what people find exciting in Apple devices. Yes, they 
look nice but they're also even more closed than any MS product >:-)


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Re: Debian Squeeze and Intel 82830 GC on Thinkpad X30

[Richard Riley]

Stefan Monnier  writes:

>> Possibly someone out there has a working xorg.conf for this amazingly
>> long lived little laptop?
>
> I use Debian testing on my X30 with an empty xorg.conf.
> The switch to "kernel mode setting" (KMS) seems to have brought its
> share of problems, tho: without KMS the i810 driver won't start any
> more, and with KMS, the text console doesn't display (so I get a blank
> screen for a large part of the boot, until X starts up, which is
> a problem when X fails to start up or when booting to single user mode).
>
> In case it matters, it seems that KMS is controlled via
> /etc/modprobe.d/i810.conf (and you may have to update-initramfs after
> changing that file).
>
> Stefan

So you use KMS and get good performance? I'll give it a go. Any ideas if
its something being worked on - old workhorses like this are perfect low
cost Linux workstations and it's a shame things break so regularly in
video-land. I use testing on all my machines and its only this one that
video is a hit and miss affair. When Squeeze goes stable I'll probably
keep it there then.




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Re: Debian Squeeze Cannot Paste From Epiphany Browser to Evolution or Gnome Terminal

[Camaleón]

On Thu, 23 Dec 2010 12:10:19 +0800, Jackie Wang wrote:

> I'm using Debian Squeeze on my laptop (Upgraded from Lenny 5.0.4 to
> Squeeze). I cannot paste some text from epiphany to evolution or Gnome
> terminal. I first select some text from the browser then use right-click
> and select command copy and then in evolution or Gnome terminal
> right-click and select command paste but nothing pasted. But I can first
> paste the text to epiphany's address line and copy it again in the
> address line, and then can paste to Gnome terminal or evolution.
> 
> Why? Can anybody help?
> 
> I searched the internet and tried install pastie according the below
> link, but not resolved:
> 
> http://www.khattam.info/howto-install-pastie-in-debian-squeezetesting-2010-11-13.html

Yep, same here.

Maybe this bug (still unsolved):

epiphany-browser: Copy and Paste does not work so well
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=582544

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Re: Debian Squeeze and Intel 82830 GC on Thinkpad X30

[Stefan Monnier]

> Possibly someone out there has a working xorg.conf for this amazingly
> long lived little laptop?

I use Debian testing on my X30 with an empty xorg.conf.
The switch to "kernel mode setting" (KMS) seems to have brought its
share of problems, tho: without KMS the i810 driver won't start any
more, and with KMS, the text console doesn't display (so I get a blank
screen for a large part of the boot, until X starts up, which is
a problem when X fails to start up or when booting to single user mode).

In case it matters, it seems that KMS is controlled via
/etc/modprobe.d/i810.conf (and you may have to update-initramfs after
changing that file).


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RE: PPTP Issues in Debian Testing/Squeeze

[Roland Rosier]

Hello Russell,
 
Thank you for your reply,
 
I have got the old firewall running (possibly briefly - I think the HD is 
nearly dead).
 
It still gets full speed on my Internet connection.
 
I do get 2 log messages in syslog, they are a pair:
Dec 27 16:25:26 OLD pptp[4373]: anon log[ctrlp_rep:pptp_ctrl.c:243]: Sent 
control packet type is 5 'Echo-Request'
Dec 27 16:25:26 OLD pptp[4373]: anon log[logecho:pptp_ctrl.c:659]: Echo 
Reply received.
 
I don't get any of the messages about buffering packets being lost or reordered.
 
ICMP type 5 is Source Route failed from RFC 792 
(http://www.rfc-archive.org/getrfc.php?rfc=792)
 
I don't seem to have any type 5 control packet logs in the new syslog.
 
I wonder if Shorewall is blocking these control packets, where the firewall in 
my old setup didn't?
 
My old Debian was Debian Sarge, release 3.1.  My old firewall was ipmasq.
My old kernel was 2.6.8-2-686.
 
My new Debian is Debian Testing/Squeeze.  My new firewall is Shorewall 
(4.4.11.6).
My new kernel is 2.6.32-5-amd64.
 
Regards,
Roland Rosier
 
> > I am using the Shorewall firewall with the "two-interfaces"
> > configuration.
>
> You might get a clue as to what is happening by installing another
> system such as SmoothWall3 (www.smoothwall.org) on the machine and
> then inspecting the logs and statistics.
>
> SmoothWall takes over the entire drive, so you might wish to plug in a
> spare small drive for the test. The installation and configuration of
> SmoothWall can be done in about fifteen minutes, using a gui. The
> system is very well documented.
>
> RLH 

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Re: erratum

[Andrei Popescu]

On Lu, 27 dec 10, 10:19:15, green wrote:
> Andrei Popescu wrote at 2010-12-27 04:40 -0600:
> > On Sb, 18 dec 10, 21:01:12, Frank McCormick wrote:
> > >Use it for a while...you just may change your mind. Speedier than
> > > the foxand enough extensions to make your head swim
> > 
> > Unfortunately vrome is no match for vimperator :(
> 
> Then perhaps vimperator is no match for uzbl?

How does one open (follow) a link in a new tab with uzbl-tabbed?

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Re: need motherboard recommendation

[Hugo Vanwoerkom]

Russell L. Harris wrote:

* Hugo Vanwoerkom  [101226 22:56]:
No Asus? Too bad. I really like my Asus M4N98TD EVO. First mobo I bought 
that worked out-of-the-box.


Hi, Hugo,

Thanks for the recommendation.  I suppose that I should look again at Asus,
now that Squeeze has X working on the M3A78-T.



BTW I put an AMD Athlon(tm) II X2 250 Processor of 3000 MHz in it (65W) 
and 4GB of memory. I did not use the CPU cooler that came with the CPU 
but used a XIGMATEK cobra – d984 92mm HYPRO Bearing CPU Cooler. The CPU 
temp never goes over 30C and the CPU busy never exceeds 60%, but those 
numbers probably need to be taken with a grain of salt.


Hugo


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dpkg upgrade: no query to proceed with upgrade

[Hugo Vanwoerkom]

Hi,

My Sid upgraded dpkg from 1.15.8.6->1.15.8.7 and now apt-get 
dist-upgrade no longer asks if I want to proceed, but starts the upgrade 
immediately.


Anybody else notice this, or is it just me?

Hugo


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Re: matching udev attribute keys

[Camaleón]

On Mon, 27 Dec 2010 16:09:06 -0800, briand wrote:

> On Mon, 27 Dec 2010 15:17:01 + (UTC) Camaleón wrote:
> 
>> On Sun, 26 Dec 2010 15:58:08 -0800, briand wrote:
>> 
>> > how do I know that "SerialNumber" is a valid udev key other than the
>> > fact that it is listed in dmesg when the device is plugged in.
>> 
>> (...)
>> 
>> Available information for the sysfs attributes can be fetched (if
>> present):
>> 
>> http://reactivated.net/writing_udev_rules.html#sysfstree

(...)

> the scroogle provides:
> 
> $ udevinfo -a -p $(udevinfo -q path -n /dev/ttyS1) # NOTE: Debian sid
> has renamed this utility to udevadm. The equivalent command is below: #
> udevadm info --name=/dev/ttyS1 --attribute-walk

http://wiki.debian.org/udev

Then use the suggested tool, it should be same with another name ;-)

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Re: erratum

[green]

Andrei Popescu wrote at 2010-12-27 04:40 -0600:
> On Sb, 18 dec 10, 21:01:12, Frank McCormick wrote:
> >Use it for a while...you just may change your mind. Speedier than
> > the foxand enough extensions to make your head swim
> 
> Unfortunately vrome is no match for vimperator :(

Then perhaps vimperator is no match for uzbl?


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Re: whats wrong with my internet connection checker script?

[Camaleón]

On Sun, 26 Dec 2010 14:30:36 -0800, S Mathias wrote:

(...)

> ping -W 1 -c 4 google.com >& /dev/null | grep "100% packet loss" $
> ping -W 1 -c 4 www.yahoo.com >& /dev/null | grep "100% packet loss" $
> 
> 
> 
> ...both sides "false", because they have no output, because google.com
> and www.yahoo.com is reachable. how come it writes "no internet
> connection"? [at the longest line] i just want a "oneliner" that checks
> if theres "internet connection" or no. :\
> 
> where did i screw up? 8)

Just a side note. 

A "ping" test is not a proof that your connection is "alive". There can 
be situations (outside your scope) in that your connection goes through a 
firewall or router that is configured to reject pings and your test will 
fail but that is not a sympthom that your DSL link is down.

Whether possible, you better monitor your dsl router and query about its 
connection status (there are some models that allow sending internal logs 
to your syslog and you can then make an alert -i.e., send an e-mail- when 
DSL status goes down. Another devices can trigger these alerts -system/
link down- automatically).

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Re: matching udev attribute keys

[briand]

On Mon, 27 Dec 2010 15:17:01 + (UTC)
Camaleón  wrote:

> On Sun, 26 Dec 2010 15:58:08 -0800, briand wrote:
> 
> > how do I know that "SerialNumber" is a valid udev key other than the
> > fact that it is listed in dmesg when the device is plugged in.
> 
> (...)
> 
> Available information for the sysfs attributes can be fetched (if 
> present):
> 
> http://reactivated.net/writing_udev_rules.html#sysfstree
> 
> For what I see, this means that you can use both ("sysfstree"
> attribute values and "udevinfo" ones) for writing rules, just ensure
> the attribute you are going to use is present in one of the locations
> from where udev gathers the data. 
> 
> For instance, my USB key has at least one "ATTRS{serial}" value:
> 
> s...@stt008:~$ udevinfo -a -p /sys/block/sdc | grep serial
> ATTRS{serial}==":00:1a.7"
> 

the scroogle provides:

$ udevinfo -a -p $(udevinfo -q path -n /dev/ttyS1)
# NOTE: Debian sid has renamed this utility to udevadm. The equivalent
command is below: # udevadm info --name=/dev/ttyS1 --attribute-walk

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Re: matching udev attribute keys

[briand]

On Mon, 27 Dec 2010 15:17:01 + (UTC)
Camaleón  wrote:

> On Sun, 26 Dec 2010 15:58:08 -0800, briand wrote:
> 
> > how do I know that "SerialNumber" is a valid udev key other than the
> > fact that it is listed in dmesg when the device is plugged in.
> 
> (...)
> 
> Available information for the sysfs attributes can be fetched (if 
> present):
> 
> http://reactivated.net/writing_udev_rules.html#sysfstree
> 
> For what I see, this means that you can use both ("sysfstree"
> attribute values and "udevinfo" ones) for writing rules, just ensure
> the attribute you are going to use is present in one of the locations
> from where udev gathers the data. 
> 
> For instance, my USB key has at least one "ATTRS{serial}" value:
> 
> s...@stt008:~$ udevinfo -a -p /sys/block/sdc | grep serial
> ATTRS{serial}==":00:1a.7"
> 

This is the problem, I can't get the above format because I can't find
the udevinfo program !

I'm running unstable and the package search says it doesn't exist.

Is there some way to use udev to give the same format ?

Thanks for the examples.

Brian


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Re: Monitor question

[Camaleón]

On Fri, 24 Dec 2010 10:30:57 -0500, Mark Neidorff wrote:

> Running Lenny updated.
> I'm wondering what I lose if I switch to a large wide screen monitor.  I
> currently have a "regular" 17" Viewsonic (VP171s).  Works fine, but
> since my eyes are getting older, I'm tempted by the crop of wide screen
> 25" monitors on the market.  If you want to tell me how great a
> particular brand of monitor is, please e-mail me off the list (I don't
> want to start a flame war on the list).  My systems currently use the
> on-board video that comes with the motherboards.  (I have multiple
> systems connected to the monitor)  For my server, I want to keep using
> the on-board video, but for my desktop machine, putting in a video card
> is not out of the question.

When it comes to LCD/TFT, you have to pay attention to native resolution. 
Look, 17" displays tend to use the same resolution (dots per inch) than 
19" ones (1280x1024) so people tend to think they gain when buying a 17" 
screen because they get the same viewable area but they pay less (17" 
monitors are cheaper).

But I prefer to stick to 19" LCD screens (and avoid as much as I can 
those wide/narrow screens, 16:9 or 16:10) because text and icons are 
larger than in 17" displays and I get a good resolution (1280x1024 is 
better than a wide screen (1280x800).

As per display brand, I like Eizo the most. They are very expensive but 
they provide a superb quality :-}

> So, questions:
> 1. Will my on-board video cards be able to drive a new monitor to full
> resolution?  If not, will I be able to run the GUI in a usable fashion
> or will I get a fuzzy display or will there be other compromises?

Modern cards, yes, they are capable of managing higher resolutions. Check 
your card specs to be sure.

> 2. Are there monitors that do not support text mode out there?  I'm
> asking because I do as much work on my server as possible in text mode,
> only using X when absolutely necessary.  I also feel the need to watch
> the boot messages go by at times.  If a monitor can't display text mode,
> then it will be useless to me.

I don't think so. You will only have to setup the resolution that fits 
your needs.
 
> 3. Are there any other general suggestions about the wide screen
> monitors that I should be aware of?

None that I can think, just care about resolution, it can be "misleading".

OTOH, you can always adjust your DPI to a higher value (i.e., 120dpi) so 
while you keep your current/recommended resolution, all, icons and text 
will display bigger and your eyes will suffer less :-)

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Re: Re: whats wrong with my internet connection checker script?

[Jasper Noë]

$ ping -c 4 -w 4 google.com &> /dev/null && ping -c 4 -w 4 www.yahoo.com &> /dev/null || 
echo "no internet connection"


But, but, ... if the ping to google succeeds, and the ping to yahoo 
fails, it prints "no internet".


$ ping -c 4 -w 4 google.com &> /dev/null || ping -c 4 -w 4 www.yahoo.com 
&> /dev/null || echo "no internet connection"


Better ?

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Re: what process is sending this packet?

[Camaleón]

On Mon, 27 Dec 2010 06:29:54 -0800, S Mathias wrote:

> I can see, that theres a program that keeps sending packets on port 25:
> 
> Dec 27 14:11:46 a kernel: [ 6336.992320] O_D_LOG: IN= OUT=lo
> SRC=127.0.0.1 DST=127.0.0.1 LEN=60 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=64 ID=61533 DF
> PROTO=TCP SPT=37263 DPT=25 WINDOW=32792 RES=0x00 SYN URGP=0 

(...)
 
> but where or how could i find out, that what process sends these
> packets?

The process is sending packets through the loopback interface to itself, 
on port 25, so maybe is your e-mail service sending a notification 
message :-?

netstat -apnt | grep 127.0.0.1:25

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Debian Squeeze and Intel 82830 GC on Thinkpad X30

[Richard Riley]

Evening all,

I've been running Testing on my Thinkpad X30 for a few years now and the
video set up has often to be tweaked - it even worked once with NO
xorg.conf which I believe is the ultimate aim for the developers of
Xorg. That is fine and why we use Testing ;)

I am now having to use a default xorg.conf using vesa but HW
acceleration is next to non existent as is to be expected I think. Flash
player runs about 2 frames a second - even small videos. It used to,
once upon a time, work fine. You can see the commented out "intel
specifics" that were once recommended that dont work with Squeeze.

With NO xorg.conf the laptop wont start : I just see a flickery cursor
in the top left. ctl-alt-f1 etc doesnt switch it back to a working
res/refresh either.

I'm looking for some advice on how I should go about configuring the
xorg.conf. The vesa one that works (slowly and tends to get corrupted after a
few hours usage) is below.

Is there some sort of utility which can create an xorg.conf for me that
works properly with the 82830?

Possibly someone out there has a working xorg.conf for this amazingly
long lived little laptop?

Thanks for your patience and any advice

(1) lspci:-

,
| 00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation 82830 830 Chipset Host Bridge (rev 04)
| 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82830 CGC [Chipset 
Graphics Controller] (rev 04)
| 00:02.1 Display controller: Intel Corporation 82830 CGC [Chipset Graphics 
Controller]
`

(2) Working xorg.conf (removing it leavces machine inoperable)

,
| Section "ServerLayout"
|   Identifier "X.org Configured"
|   Screen  0  "Screen0" 0 0
|   InputDevice"Mouse0" "CorePointer"
|   InputDevice"Keyboard0" "CoreKeyboard"
| EndSection
| 
| Section "Files"
|   ModulePath   "/usr/lib/xorg/modules"
|   FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/X11/misc"
|   FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/X11/cyrillic"
|   FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/X11/100dpi/:unscaled"
|   FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/X11/75dpi/:unscaled"
|   FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/X11/Type1"
|   FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/X11/100dpi"
|   FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/X11/75dpi"
|   FontPath "/var/lib/defoma/x-ttcidfont-conf.d/dirs/TrueType"
|   FontPath "built-ins"
| EndSection
| 
| Section "Module"
|   Load  "dri2"
|   Load  "glx"
|   Load  "extmod"
|   Load  "dri"
|   Load  "record"
|   Load  "dbe"
| EndSection
| 
| Section "InputDevice"
|   Identifier  "Keyboard0"
|   Driver  "kbd"
| EndSection
| 
| Section "InputDevice"
|   Identifier  "Mouse0"
|   Driver  "mouse"
|   Option  "Protocol" "auto"
|   Option  "Device" "/dev/input/mice"
|   Option  "ZAxisMapping" "4 5 6 7"
| EndSection
| 
| Section "Monitor"
|   Identifier   "Monitor0"
|   VendorName   "Monitor Vendor"
|   ModelName"Monitor Model"
| EndSection
| 
| Section "Device"
| ### Available Driver options are:-
| ### Values: : integer, : float, : "True"/"False",
| ### : "String", : " Hz/kHz/MHz"
| ### [arg]: arg optional
| #Option "NoAccel" # []
| #Option "SWcursor"# []
| #Option "ColorKey"# 
| #Option "CacheLines"  # 
| #Option "Dac6Bit" # []
| #Option "DRI" # []
| #Option "NoDDC"   # []
| #Option "ShowCache"   # []
| #Option "XvMCSurfaces"# 
| #Option "PageFlip"# []
|   Identifier  "Card0"
|   Driver  "vesa"
|   # VendorName  "Intel Corporation"
|   # BoardName   "82830 CGC [Chipset Graphics Controller]"
|   # BusID   "PCI:0:2:0"
| EndSection
| 
| 
| Section "Screen"
|   Identifier "Screen0"
|   Device "Card0"
|   Monitor"Monitor0"
|   DefaultDepth24
|   SubSection "Display"
|   Depth   24
|   Modes   "1024x768"
|   EndSubSection
| EndSection
| 
| 
| Section "DRI"
| Mode 0666
| EndSection
`

regards

r.


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Re: matching udev attribute keys

[Camaleón]

On Sun, 26 Dec 2010 15:58:08 -0800, briand wrote:

> how do I know that "SerialNumber" is a valid udev key other than the
> fact that it is listed in dmesg when the device is plugged in.

(...)

Available information for the sysfs attributes can be fetched (if 
present):

http://reactivated.net/writing_udev_rules.html#sysfstree

For what I see, this means that you can use both ("sysfstree" attribute 
values and "udevinfo" ones) for writing rules, just ensure the attribute 
you are going to use is present in one of the locations from where udev 
gathers the data. 

For instance, my USB key has at least one "ATTRS{serial}" value:

s...@stt008:~$ udevinfo -a -p /sys/block/sdc | grep serial
ATTRS{serial}==":00:1a.7"

But not my internal hard disks, neither from udevinfo:

s...@stt008:~$ udevinfo -a -p /sys/block/sda | grep serial
s...@stt008:~$ udevinfo -a -p /sys/block/sdb | grep serial
s...@stt008:~$ 

Nor from sysfs:

s...@stt008:~$ ls -l /sys/block/sda | grep -i serial
s...@stt008:~$ ls -l /sys/block/sdb | grep -i serial
s...@stt008:~$ 

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Re: what process is sending this packet?

[Jerome BENOIT]

quit all unnecessary applications as firefox, and as root enter:
 
lsof -i



it may give an idea.

On 27/12/10 22:29, S Mathias wrote:

I can see, that theres a program that keeps sending packets on port 25:

Dec 27 14:11:46 a kernel: [ 6336.992320] O_D_LOG: IN= OUT=lo SRC=127.0.0.1 
DST=127.0.0.1 LEN=60 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=64 ID=61533 DF PROTO=TCP SPT=37263 
DPT=25 WINDOW=32792 RES=0x00 SYN URGP=0
Dec 27 14:12:01 a kernel: [ 6352.635704] O_D_LOG: IN= OUT=lo SRC=127.0.0.1 
DST=127.0.0.1 LEN=60 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=64 ID=55853 DF PROTO=TCP SPT=40644 
DPT=25 WINDOW=32792 RES=0x00 SYN URGP=0
Dec 27 14:12:04 a kernel: [ 6355.641085] O_D_LOG: IN= OUT=lo SRC=127.0.0.1 
DST=127.0.0.1 LEN=60 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=64 ID=55854 DF PROTO=TCP SPT=40644 
DPT=25 WINDOW=32792 RES=0x00 SYN URGP=0
Dec 27 14:12:10 a kernel: [ 6361.649059] O_D_LOG: IN= OUT=lo SRC=127.0.0.1 
DST=127.0.0.1 LEN=60 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=64 ID=55855 DF PROTO=TCP SPT=40644 
DPT=25 WINDOW=32792 RES=0x00 SYN URGP=0

but where or how could i find out, that what process sends these packets?

thank you!








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what process is sending this packet?

[S Mathias]

I can see, that theres a program that keeps sending packets on port 25:

Dec 27 14:11:46 a kernel: [ 6336.992320] O_D_LOG: IN= OUT=lo SRC=127.0.0.1 
DST=127.0.0.1 LEN=60 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=64 ID=61533 DF PROTO=TCP SPT=37263 
DPT=25 WINDOW=32792 RES=0x00 SYN URGP=0 
Dec 27 14:12:01 a kernel: [ 6352.635704] O_D_LOG: IN= OUT=lo SRC=127.0.0.1 
DST=127.0.0.1 LEN=60 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=64 ID=55853 DF PROTO=TCP SPT=40644 
DPT=25 WINDOW=32792 RES=0x00 SYN URGP=0 
Dec 27 14:12:04 a kernel: [ 6355.641085] O_D_LOG: IN= OUT=lo SRC=127.0.0.1 
DST=127.0.0.1 LEN=60 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=64 ID=55854 DF PROTO=TCP SPT=40644 
DPT=25 WINDOW=32792 RES=0x00 SYN URGP=0 
Dec 27 14:12:10 a kernel: [ 6361.649059] O_D_LOG: IN= OUT=lo SRC=127.0.0.1 
DST=127.0.0.1 LEN=60 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=64 ID=55855 DF PROTO=TCP SPT=40644 
DPT=25 WINDOW=32792 RES=0x00 SYN URGP=0 

but where or how could i find out, that what process sends these packets?

thank you!


  


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Re: dual monitor setup fails (xrandr: Failed to get size of gamma for output default; warning: output LVDS not found; ignoring; warning: output VGA not found; ignoring)

[Camaleón]

On Mon, 27 Dec 2010 22:51:22 +0900, Dietrich Bollmann wrote:

> Hi Camaleón,
> 
> I am very grateful for your engagement and help! People like you make
> the Open Source world such an enjoyable experience!

Trying to help others is the best way for learning :-)

> On Mon, 2010-12-27 at 12:48 +, Camaleón wrote:
>> Better if you upload the whole file ("/var/log/Xorg.0.log") to any
>> online service, like www.pastebin.com so we can take a deep look.
> 
> Here it is: http://pastebin.com/UCzMjMb2

Thanks!

Hum... let me extract some entries I think are relevant:

***
(--) PCI:*(0:0:2:0) 8086:27a2:17aa:201a Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/
GMS, 943/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller rev 3, Mem @ 
0xee10/524288, 0xd000/268435456, 0xee20/262144, I/O @ 
0x1800/8

(II) VESA(0): Analog Display Input,  Input Voltage Level: 0.700/0.700 V

(--) VESA(0): Virtual size is 1280x1024 (pitch 1280)
***

1/ It seems you are using an Intel card
2/ As per my understanding, only one output is being detected
3/ Screen size is set to 1280x1024

Okay, the first problem I see here is that Xorg is loading "VESA" driver, 
while it should use the "intel" one.

The second problem is that Xorg is detecting only one display, instead 
the two ones (laptop/LCD? and external) but maybe this is a consequence 
of the driver in use :-?

Are you booting the system with both displays attached and powered on?

I would first ensure your kernel has KMS enabled, which should be the 
default while using a stock Debian kernel. I said this because of the 
recent posts about this same issue just some days ago:

http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2010/12/msg01239.html

Let's see if Sven has any tip for you :-)

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Re: dual monitor setup fails (xrandr: Failed to get size of gamma for output default; warning: output LVDS not found; ignoring; warning: output VGA not found; ignoring)

[Dietrich Bollmann]

Hi Camaleón,

I am very grateful for your engagement and help!  
People like you make the Open Source world such an enjoyable experience!

On Mon, 2010-12-27 at 12:48 +, Camaleón wrote:
> Better if you upload the whole file ("/var/log/Xorg.0.log") to any online 
> service, like www.pastebin.com so we can take a deep look.

Here it is: http://pastebin.com/UCzMjMb2

> Let's see your log file. Maybe you are giving "xrandr" the bad 
> parameters :-?

It used to work before - so I don't think that the parameters are the
problem.  Rather I fear that it was introduced by some update of my
system.

Curious to know, what kind of information in the log is relevant...

Thanks again, Dietrich


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Re: PPTP Issues in Debian Testing/Squeeze

[Russell L. Harris]

* Roland Rosier  [101227 13:14]:

> I have been using Debian for many years as a Firewall for my
> family's computers.

...

> I am using the Shorewall firewall with the "two-interfaces"
> configuration.  

You might get a clue as to what is happening by installing another
system such as SmoothWall3 (www.smoothwall.org) on the machine and
then inspecting the logs and statistics.

SmoothWall takes over the entire drive, so you might wish to plug in a
spare small drive for the test.  The installation and configuration of
SmoothWall can be done in about fifteen minutes, using a gui.  The
system is very well documented.

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PPTP Issues in Debian Testing/Squeeze

[Roland Rosier]

Hello,
 
I am wondering if anyone has come across a similar issue to one I am 
encountering with Debian Testing/Squeeze.
 
I have been using Debian for many years as a Firewall for my family's computers.
 
I have a ppp interface as the Internet interface and another Ethernet / WiFi 
interface within my house.
 
Originally, the ppp interface was a dial-up modem, but since the advent of 
broadband it became a PPTP tunnel forwarded from my ADSL modem.
 
This had been working fine on Debian system I set up many years ago, but 
recently that PC died.
 
I have built a new system and installed Debian Testing on it (because it should 
shortly be released as Debian Squeeze and I hoped that if I got Testing working 
the upgrade to Squeeze should be relatively pain-free).
 
Unfortunately, my network speed appears to be less than 1/10th of what it was 
previously, even though I believe that I copied all the ppp configuration files 
over accurately from the old system.
 
I put ppp into debug mode and have been looking at the logs.
 
I get a huge number of lines in my syslog saying:
 
Dec 27 12:51:54 x pptp[5043]: anon log[decaps_gre:pptp_gre.c:414]: 
buffering packet 20895 (expecting 20894, lost or reordered)
 
(the packet numbers change).
 
I have tried leaving the MTU unset in the ppp configuration files, and I have 
also tried setting it to 1416, 1454, 1492 and 1500 (which seem to be common 
values recommended on the Internet).
 
I am using the Shorewall firewall with the "two-interfaces" configuration.  I 
have set IP_FORWARDING=On and CLAMPMSS=yes in shorewall.conf.
 
I am uncertain if the issue is with ppp, pptp, Shorewall or something else.
 
I am also uncertain if this could be an issue with the "Testing" distribution 
as I have never seen anything like this with any of the previous Debian 
distributions I have used.
 
I would be grateful if anyone has seen this before and could let me know what 
the issue could be.
 
Regards,
Roland Rosier 

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Re: need motherboard recommendation

[Camaleón]

On Sun, 26 Dec 2010 11:12:17 +, Russell L. Harris wrote:

> I am tossing into the dumpster the last two motherboards which I
> purchased -- Asus M3A78-T (AMD64) and Asus P5Q-EM (i386) -- because of
> video problems.  I purchased the boards because of the long-life solid
> capacitors.  (Motherboard life typically is limited by deterioration of
> conventional electrolytic capacitors with age and heat.)
> 
> With the M3A78-T, the POST screen displayed a cross-hatch pattern of
> horizontal and vertical red and green lines with a variety of monitors,
> both CRT and LCD.  The pattern also is visible in terminal mode outside
> of X.  Three trips back to Asus did not cure the problem.
> 
> With the P5Q-EM, the display goes blank ("out of range" message on the
> monitor) when X starts.

(...)

I don't think you need a new board but digging a bit more about your 
current problems. What would I check?

- BIOS update (check if there is any new BIOS revision for your board)

- Video card (if you are using an external card, just try with another 
one, if you are using an embedded card, just test with an external one)

- PCI-e slot (if your VGA is external, try by swapping the card into 
another free pci-e slot)

- Cables (DVI cables can do weird things, just try with another or even 
try with the VGA input/cable instead of using the digital signal, just 
for testing)

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Re: whats wrong with my internet connection checker script?

[Joe]

On Sun, 26 Dec 2010 23:57:42 +
Chris Davies  wrote:

> S Mathias  wrote:
> > ping -W 1 -c 4 google.com >& /dev/null | grep "100% packet loss"
> > ping -W 1 -c 4 www.yahoo.com >& /dev/null | grep "100% packet loss"
> 
> > both sides "false", because they have no output, because google.com
> > and www.yahoo.com is reachable.
> 
> Or because your local system is so offline that it's got no way of
> resolving those names to IP addresses.
> 
> I'd recommend you turn your pattern match around to look for any sort
> of success, rather than one specific instance of failure.
> 

I would recommend going further than that: I've often seen a router
pass pings and replies by DNS but not web pages or some other protocols.
My current scripts check for specific strings from up to six websites,
rotating the order each time so one site doesn't get too much traffic.
There is a log kept which I check every month or two to confirm the
sites still contain the strings.

It may seem a bit overengineered, but I made progressively more and more
complex scripts until they worked reliably and without false positives,
and I'm afraid this was the point I reached. They haven't changed for
some years now, nor has the number increased beyond six.

Here's a fragment from script rw1:

logfile="/var/log/routerboot"
echo -e -n `date`  >> $logfile
echo -n " -rw1- "  >> $logfile
count=0
count=$((count+`curl -s www.google.com | grep -c content-type`))
echo -n $count >> $logfile
if [ $count -eq 0 ]
then
  count=$((count+`curl -s www.google.co.uk | grep -c content-type`))
  echo -n $count >> $logfile
  if [ $count -eq 0 ]
  then
.. etc, culminating in router reboot code ...

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Re: dual monitor setup fails (xrandr: Failed to get size of gamma for output default; warning: output LVDS not found; ignoring; warning: output VGA not found; ignoring)

[Camaleón]

On Fri, 24 Dec 2010 16:19:37 +0900, Dietrich Bollmann wrote:

>> On Sat, 2010-12-18 at 15:17 +, Camaleón wrote:
>> > On Sat, 18 Dec 2010 14:06:25 +0900, Dietrich Bollmann wrote:
>> > 
>> > Since a couple of weeks my dual monitor setup fails:
>> > 
>> > # xrandr --output LVDS --output VGA --right-of LVDS --primary
>> > 
>> > xrandr: Failed to get size of gamma for output default warning:
> output
>> > LVDS not found; ignoring warning: output VGA not found; ignoring
>> 
>> Review your "/var/log/Xorg.0.log" file to find out what outputs is
>> detecting Xorg. You can also run "xrandr -q" to discover what is
>> connected.
> 
> Here some lines from the beginning:

(...)

Better if you upload the whole file ("/var/log/Xorg.0.log") to any online 
service, like www.pastebin.com so we can take a deep look.

> ls -la /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d

(...)

Nothing to look here :-)
 
> Can you give me a hint for what I should search for in the xorg log?

You should search for any indication that Xorg server is detecting your 
second screen. But better put the whole file online, do not remove nor 
trim nothing.
 
> By myself I couldn't find anything interesting...
> 
> xrandr -q
> 
> gives the following output:
> 
> xrandr: Failed to get size of gamma for output default Screen 0: minimum
> 640 x 480, current 1280 x 1024, maximum 1280 x 1024 default connected
> 1280x1024+0+0 0mm x 0mm
>1280x1024   0.0*
>1024x7680.0
>800x600 0.0
>640x480 0.0

Should you have an additional (and properly detected) display, your 
"xrandr -q" should also be aware of it, which does not seem to be the 
case :-?

>> It seems the external display is not being detected. Your xorg log
> should
>> contain more data.
> 
> Thanks.  What kind of data could that be?

Something about LVDS and VGA inputs, for instance.

>> > I erased the /etc/X11/xorg.conf as x windows didn't start anymore
> and
>> > this was the only way I found to make it start again and get back to
>> > work. Trying after to reconfigure xserver-xorg with
>> >   dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
>> > didn't recreate /etc/X11/xorg.conf. Could this be related?
>> 
>> locate xorg.conf
> 
> locate xorg.conf
> 
> /etc/X11/xorg.conf.20080418064505
> /etc/X11/xorg.conf.20080418064650
> /etc/X11/xorg.conf.20080418075252
> /etc/X11/xorg.conf.20090513151200
> /etc/X11/xorg.conf.20090514131411
> /etc/X11/xorg.conf.20090514131504
> /etc/X11/xorg.conf.bu-2009-05-14
> /etc/X11/xorg.conf.bu2010
> /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d
> /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/10-evdev.conf
> /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-wacom.conf
> /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/50-synaptics.conf
> /usr/share/xresprobe/xorg.conf

You are currently not using any "xorg.conf" file.

> The file
> /etc/X11/xorg.conf.bu2010
> is my backup from my last configuration which stopped to work, producing
> the following error:
> 
>   Failed to start the X server (your graphical interface). It is likely
>   that it is not set up correctly.  ...
> 
> The only way I found was to delete /etc/X11/xorg.conf ...

Yes, no xorg.conf should be needed at all, at least in Squeeze.
 
> Here its content:
> 
> cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf.bu2010 | egrep -v '^#|^\s*$'
> 
> Section "Device"
> Identifier  "Configured Video Device"
> EndSection
> Section "Screen"
> Identifier  "Default Screen"
> SubSection "Display"
> Virtual  2048 2048
> EndSubSection
> EndSection
> Section "ServerLayout"
> Identifier  "Default Layout"
> Screen  "Default Screen"
> EndSection
> 
> I remember to have read somewhere, that /etc/X11/xorg.conf is not used
> anymore as the configuration is dynamically generated.  Is that true?
> wrong?  Should I try to regenerate it?  If so, how?  dpkg-reconfigure
> xserver-xorg seems to not do anything at all...

True, Xorg server should be automatically configured and no static file 
needed anymore, just in a few cases when autodetection fails or when you 
want to use some specifics.

> But now only the external screen works - and in my office, the screen
> resolution is too low resulting in a horrible presentation :(

Let's see your log file. Maybe you are giving "xrandr" the bad 
parameters :-?

>> After running the above command ("dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"),
> your
>> "xorg.conf" file should be created under root's home (/root/
>> xorg.conf.new), if you want to make use of it, you'll have to move it
> to
>> the right folder.
> 
> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
> 
> seems to create nothing at all :(
> 
> find /root | grep -i xorg
> 
> ...no output...

(...)

***
What if I do not have an xorg config file?
http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg
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Maybe you can try with "Xorg -configure".

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Re: need motherboard recommendation

[Russell L. Harris]

* Russell L. Harris  [101227 00:28]:
> Finally, I was in error regarding the P5Q-EM; it employs solid
> capacitors only in the critical power supply circuitry surrounding the
> processor; other capacitors on the board are electrolytic.  This is
> typical of the garden-variety motherboards which I see on display at
> the local electronics emporium.

Forgive me; the above is incorrect.  All of the capacitors on the
P5Q-EM are solid; there are no electrolytics.

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Re: Any kmail filtering advice?

[Camaleón]

On Thu, 23 Dec 2010 19:13:21 -0800, Steve McCarthy wrote:

> On Thursday 23 Dec 2010, Lisi wrote:
>> On Thursday 23 December 2010 21:48:26 Steve McCarthy wrote:
>> > Has anyone else found a way to defer junk (not SPAM) mail in kmail?
>> 
>> It can use Spamassassin.  (It can integrate it.)  But I don't
>> understand the distinction between Spam and Junk.
>> 
>> To which version of KMail are we referring?  Or which version of
>> Debian?
>> 
> 
> Sorry I wasn't clearer.  I believe the distinction is: SPAM is
> unsolicited whereas junk is solicited but unwanted at the present time. 
> Stores you patronize or causes you support will all send you email which
> you may or may not want to read right now.  Just like junk snail mail,
> usually its tossed unopened,  but occasionally you're interested (or
> bored) enough to read it.
> 
> Ice Owl labels any mail not coming for a "friend" as junk and moves it
> out of your in-box.  I think friends are defined as being in your
> address book, but not entirely sure.

Hum... maybe you are looking for a way of telling Kmail that e-mails 
coming from selected users (in address book or by manually selection) is 
"ham" (and never tagged as spam, kinda whitelisting in SA parlance).

This should be easy to achieve by using anti-spam measures (SA, 
bogofilter) along with filtering actions (rules). 

Here there are some tips:

http://maketecheasier.com/how-to-create-email-filters-with-kmail/2010/01/11
http://userbase.kde.org/KMail/Tools#Anti-Spam_Tools

> As to your second question "Why move her?"  kmail is better integrated
> with kde, for whatever that's worth.  Plus, Ice owl uses a database
> rather than maildirs for storage.  Any new message means all stored
> messages are backed up nightly..  There may be a solution to this, but
> it wasn't obvious to me.

Agree :-)

But I hope your girlfriend does not care about HTML e-mails and advanced 
formatting options >:-)

> So, since kmail's address book filter appears broken, I'm searching for
> another approach.

Kmail anti-spam and filtering tools used to be very powerful and 
flexible, maybe you need to dig a bit more about how to get the same 
behaviour here than in Thunderbird.

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Re: Keeping Lenny via /etc/apt/sources.list when Squeeze becomes stable

[Camaleón]

On Mon, 27 Dec 2010 13:08:12 +0200, Andrei Popescu wrote:

> On Lu, 20 dec 10, 14:41:48, Camaleón wrote:
>> On Mon, 20 Dec 2010 08:17:06 -0600, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
>> > 
>> > This will work for a while, but eventually the 'lenny' directory will
>> > be moved off the main mirror system onto the archives and the
>> > 'oldstable -> lenny' will be updated.
>> 
>> Do you mean that there is no way to keep the same name for the time it
>> lasts a release?
>> 
>> I thought "lenny" repo would automatically point to "oldstable" when
>> squeeze is released, that is, no manual intervention required from
>> user's side :-?
>> 
>> http://wiki.debian.org/DebianOldStable
> 
> Yes, but oldstable is supported only for one year after the release or
> until the next release (whichever comes first, as the Security Team can
> not support 3 releases at the same time). After that it will be moved to
> archive.debian.org, so one needs to re-adjust sources.list

He, he... one year is "much" time (that gives ~2.5 years of support 
altogether) ;-)

Okay, I see your point. But "archived" releases do not have security 
patches, right? So having an unpatched system is not an option (at least 
for me) and so, when Lenny becomes "archived" (when Wheezy is released) 
is time to move up and upgrade the system.

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Re: Safe and easy ipgrade to unstable/testing.

[Andrei Popescu]

On Ma, 21 dec 10, 10:24:47, Alexander Batischev wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 07:27:37AM +, r...@upp.pt wrote:
> > I'm searhcing for the safe way to upgrade my current debian to
> > testing/unstable in order to install the newset verion of OpenAFS
> > (1.4.12.1). I don't want to fully upgrade my system -- only the the
> > necessary dependencies should be used from testing/unstable repositories.
> > Hw can I do that?
>  
> 1. Add testing/unstable repos to your sources.list
> 2. Add the following line to the /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/02release
>(if file doesn't exist yet, create it):
> 
>APT::Default-Release "lenny";
> 
>(you may use "stable" instead of "lenny" - that depends on what behavior 
> you
>expect when squeeze would release)

Lenny's apt still has a bug where the codename is not supported in 
default release and pinning. Let's see... it's #97564 and friends 
(#254716, #423234 and #509471#) and no, it's not a typo, that bug is 
from 2001.

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Re: lenny squeeze etc etc

[Andrei Popescu]

On Mi, 22 dec 10, 08:27:38, John Hasler wrote:
> Lisi writes:
> > It is, however, easier if the names are in some easily remembered
> > progression (e.g. Hardy, Intrepid, Jaunty etc.) than if they are
> > random (Woody, Sarge, Etch, Lenny ...)
> 
> They are characters from the movie "Toy Story".  I've never seen it, but
> I got the impression back when the decision to use them was made that
> the progression is obvious if you have.

Not really.

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Re: Experimental kernel on sid

[Andrei Popescu]

On Lu, 20 dec 10, 09:20:31, Brad Alexander wrote:
> It's been a long time since I went off-grid and used a kernel from
> experimental. So forgive me, my memory is not what it used to be.
> 
> Here is my problem:
> 
> I don't see a 2.6.36 kernel for amd64, however the kbuild for 2.6.36
> is available. I also see a 2.6.37rc5 kernel for amd64, but no kbuild
> for 2.6.37. I am running the amd64 kernel on a 686 system because of a
> time issue that occurred a while back. I need to rebuild the system,
> but I have a ton of data to migrate to the file server. In any case,
> what is the best approach to a newer kernel?

linux-image-2.6.36-trunk-amd64 is indeed not available in the 
repositories anymore, but you can get it from snapshot.debian.org

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Re: Keeping Lenny via /etc/apt/sources.list when Squeeze becomes stable

[Andrei Popescu]

On Lu, 20 dec 10, 14:41:48, Camaleón wrote:
> On Mon, 20 Dec 2010 08:17:06 -0600, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
> > 
> > This will work for a while, but eventually the 'lenny' directory will be
> > moved off the main mirror system onto the archives and the 'oldstable ->
> > lenny' will be updated.
> 
> Do you mean that there is no way to keep the same name for the time it 
> lasts a release? 
> 
> I thought "lenny" repo would automatically point to "oldstable" when 
> squeeze is released, that is, no manual intervention required from user's 
> side :-?
> 
> http://wiki.debian.org/DebianOldStable

Yes, but oldstable is supported only for one year after the release or 
until the next release (whichever comes first, as the Security Team can 
not support 3 releases at the same time). After that it will be moved to 
archive.debian.org, so one needs to re-adjust sources.list

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Re: need motherboard recommendation

[Russell L. Harris]

* tv.deb...@googlemail.com  [101227 09:28]:
 
> Asustek uses what they call "military grade" technology (chokes,
> capacitors and mofsets) on some boards (SABERTOOTH's at least), it's not
> tantalum but claimed to be at least as reliable.
...
> Having lost two expensive Samsung screens to crappy (CapXon) capacitors
> burst I can use the extra reinsurance ;-).

In view of the fact that capacitors are the Achilles Heel of the PC
motherboard, not long ago one manufacturer went so far as to develop
and market a PC motherboard which utilized no capacitors (other than
the tiny ceramic bypass capacitors, which are inexpensive, reliable,
and indispensable).

The function of a capacitor is energy storage; but this also is the
function of an inductor.  Accordingly, with a change of circuit
topology, the manufacturer was able to replace all the (electrolytic)
capacitors with inductors, and do so at a competitive price.  This was
a "garden-variety" motherboard, intended for general use.

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Re: erratum

[Andrei Popescu]

On Sb, 18 dec 10, 21:01:12, Frank McCormick wrote:
> 
> 
>Use it for a while...you just may change your mind. Speedier than
> the foxand enough extensions to make your head swim

Unfortunately vrome is no match for vimperator :(

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Re: need motherboard recommendation

[Russell L. Harris]

* Stan Hoeppner  [101227 08:28]:
> I seriously doubt a DIMM is the problem.  I can physically see what you
> describe with words, but it sure sound like an EMI/RFI issue, not the
> hardware, _especially_ after swapping mobo guts twice.

>From amateur radio experience in years past, I know a little about
EMI/RFI.  But aside from whatever radiation leaks from a home LAN, I
am not aware of a strong source of interference.  Besides, the
pattern which I see is regular and stable -- lines perfectly
horizontal and vertical, spaced about 1/8-inch or 1/4-inch as 
I recall.  One colour (red or green, I forget) for the horizontal
lines, and the other colour for the vertical lines.


 
> > No, I did not know that.  I have been running Debian for ten years
> > now, but I never have learned to use the logs.
> 
>  If you now tell us you have used the windows event viewer I will
> personally drive a wooden stake through your heart. ;)

I parted company with M$-DO$ and Window$ when the calendar rolled over
from A.D. 1999 to A.D. 2000, on which occasion M$-Word 5.0 (the last
rodent-independent version of WORD) began writing garbage to data
files.  This was one of the few _genuine_ Y2K bugs; M$ acknowledged
it, and abandoned Word 5.0.  

At that point, I came face-to-face with the evil of proprietary
formats for data storage, and I resolved never again to use editors
which stored documents in anything other than plain text.  

Having started out with MS-WORD 1.0 back about 1980, I lost hundreds
of documents, because there was no practical way to automate recovery
of the text, much less, of the formatting.  That experience led me to
Linux, Emacs, and TeX.  After a year of trying nearly every variety of
Linux, I decided to commit to Debian.  I am not a novice, but neither
am I a Linux guru.  For me, Linux is a means to an end.


 
> > No, each monitor has its own cable.  And the lines (horizontal and
> > vertical, red and green) do not appear with any other motherboard
> > which I have attached to these monitors.
> 
> Cabling is likely irrelevant.
> 
> To fix your problem Russell:
> 1.  Remove the electric pencil sharpener and/or stapler from your
> desk.
> 2.  If you have a florescent lamp/light remove it.
> 3.  Remove anything with an electric motor or transformer of any
> kind including charger bases for cell phones, cordless screwdrivers,
> VHS or other magnetic head recording device, etc, etc.

None of these are a factor; the nearest potential source of
interference is a ceiling fluorescent fixture.  And I see the same
pattern with the machine in different rooms.


 
> If you still see the screen artifacts, find different employment, as
> that office/site is dangerous.  :)

I've read warnings about cellular towers; but none is close by.

The problem is that this diagnosis does not address the fact that other
machines using the same monitors do not exhibit the lines in terminal
mode; that is one of the first things I checked.  It is difficult to
escape the conclusion that the M3A78-T is defective or else
overly-sensitive to emi/rfi.

%%%

Thanks all.

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Re: Tool to perform same task over several hosts at same time.

[Roman Khomasuridze]

thaks for suggestions,

I'll look at dsh and cssh, though from what i've read I prefer dsh, but i'll
give css chance..


Regards

Roman

Re: need motherboard recommendation

[tv.deb...@googlemail.com]

>26/12/2010 21:55, Doug wrote:
>> On 12/26/2010 11:19 AM, Joe wrote:
>> I've had a Giga GA-MA74GM-S2H for a year now. It hasn't died yet, and
>> I can't really say more than that. The most exotic stuff I do is gEDA
>> PCB layout, and I'm not aware of any performance problems. Built-in
>> sound and graphics, using 1440x900/60, running Sid in 2G RAM.
>>
>> I'd have thought MB trouble was rare enough that you won't get
>> statistically useful results. I have run two Asrock (cheap Asus brand)
>> boards for several years with no trouble, and still have them as I
>> don't like throwing things out when they still work normally, I just
>> wanted more power after a few years.
>>
>> As to capacitors: the only ones I would deliberately avoid are the
>> surface-mount aluminium types, the silver ones with the black arc on
>> top to show polarity. I've replaced many hundreds in the last fifteen
>> years or so, repaired the PCBs as necessary, and repaired and tested
>> boards after literally thousands of the little beasts have been
>> replaced by other people. Before they die they distribute electrolyte
>> over the surrounding PCB, and that stuff eats copper, particularly
>> plate-throughs. It's also, rather obviously, conductive, and I've seen
>> a puddle of the stuff draw half an amp from a five-volt rail. I've
>> never seen a wired capacitor do that kind of thing. The wired ones are
>> bigger, but there's not much height restriction on a MB.
> 
> Maybe it's time to buy tantalum capacitors.  More expensive, slightly
> smaller,
> and (I believe) less likely to blow up. Available with parallel wires or in
> surface mount configurations.  Military equipment has been using tantalum
> caps for years, so they must be reliable.  (If anybody from a QA
> department is
> on line, maybe you'd comment.)
> --doug
> 

Asustek uses what they call "military grade" technology (chokes,
capacitors and mofsets) on some boards (SABERTOOTH's at least), it's not
tantalum but claimed to be at least as reliable.
MSI uses it on some gfx boards, I have a "Twin Frozr" gfx card which
advertises on the box the use of tantalum capacitors. I assumed it was
more marketing hype directed toward teenage gamers, but anyway they both
have been doing well for months under heavy load (video processing and
encoding mainly).

Frankly, I am not sure those technos are worth it on mother/gfx boards
unless you're a keeper, it will probably be replaced long before it
bursts a capacitor, much cheaper boards with whatever capacitors can
last for a couple of years should be good enough for most use. If it
brings some extra peace of mind it's good, but something else could fail
before the capacitors.
Having lost two expensive Samsung screens to crappy (CapXon) capacitors
burst I can use the extra reinsurance ;-).


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Re: need motherboard recommendation

[Stan Hoeppner]

Russell L. Harris put forth on 12/26/2010 5:46 PM:

> If the problem indeed is in the video ram, am I correct in assuming
> that I should have no great concern regarding data integrity in the
> other systems of the motherboard?

I seriously doubt a DIMM is the problem.  I can physically see what you
describe with words, but it sure sound like an EMI/RFI issue, not the
hardware, _especially_ after swapping mobo guts twice.

> No, I did not know that.  I have been running Debian for ten years
> now, but I never have learned to use the logs.

 If you now tell us you have used the windows event viewer I will
personally drive a wooden stake through your heart. ;)

> No, each monitor has its own cable.  And the lines (horizontal and
> vertical, red and green) do not appear with any other motherboard
> which I have attached to these monitors.

Cabling is likely irrelevant.

To fix your problem Russell:

1.  Remove the electric pencil sharpener and/or stapler from your desk
2.  If you have a florescent lamp/light remove it.
3.  Remove anything with an electric motor or transformer of any kind
including charger bases for cell phones, cordless screwdrivers,
VHS or other magnetic head recording device, etc, etc.

Get any/all of these things at least 10 feet away from the PC with the
problem.  If you still have the problem, take a table or chair outside
the building to the parking lot, an extension cord, and ONLY the PC, KB,
mouse, and monitor, and fire it up there in isolation.

If you still see the screen artifacts, find different employment, as
that office/site is dangerous.  :)

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