Re: Old Computers

[Rick Thomas]

On Jun 1, 2015, at 5:56 PM, Jose Martinez  wrote:

> Hey guys,
> I'm about to be blessed with several old PC computers.  By old I mean that 
> some of them will not even have CDROM drives on them.  I will probably tear 
> them all down, mix-and-match parts and make the best system(s) I can from 
> those parts.  This is something I've done before, so the technical aspects 
> are not a problem.  I expect to use the resulting system(s) solely for "play" 
> purposes to experiment with and delve into the depths of the system 
> programming primarily for educational purposes.  If any of you remember 
> Scotty from the original Star Trek series and how he spent his off/vacation 
> time pouring over tech manuals and playing with gadgets, well that's me!
> 
> The question is, will jessie install and run on these old systems? If not, 
> can I still get a debian distro that will?  I expect that the processors on 
> at least one of them will be at least i386 or better, so I also expect that 
> jessie will install and run, but that my main problem will be with drivers 
> for the legacy peripherals.
> 
> I just can't find it within me to throw out what is, other than being old, a 
> good usable computer system.
> 
> I appreciate any information y'all can send my way.

Welcome to the club, Jose!   I do the same sort of thing for old Macintosh 
PowerPC machines.  It’s actually kind of fun… (for certain definitions of “fun” 
 <-: )

You may find a distro targeted at so called “embedded” computers that will run 
on your hardware.  Do a Google search for “debian linux embedded x86”.   That 
seems to have some useful pointers.

Top of the list is “emdebian”.  The Emdebian page says:

> Embedded_Debian
> 
> Change of status
> As of July 2014, Emdebian Grip stopped receiving updates to the unstable-grip 
> distribution. Updates to the jessie-grip suite stopped some months before 
> that. The last stable release of Emdebian Grip was 3.1 based on Debian 
> GNU/Linux 7.1 Wheezy. 
> There will be no further updates of Emdebian Grip. 
> This information is retained for historical purposes but can be removed when 
> wheezy is finally removed from the Debian mirrors (which will happen at some 
> point before the next stable release after Debian Jessie 8.0).

So you can at least get a version of Wheezy that might work on your hardware.  
Jessie looks to be not in the cards.  I guess porting Systemd to minimal 
hardware was just too hard…  )-:

A little further down the list is Voyage Linux, which is a Debian derivative.  
I’ve used Voyage.  Some of the things they do to make it fit in a very small 
footprint are quite creative!  I learned a lot when I was doing that work.

Good luck, and have lots of fun!

Rick

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Re: Old Computers

[Petter Adsen]

On Mon, 01 Jun 2015 23:39:15 -0400
Gary Dale  wrote:

> On 01/06/15 10:10 PM, Martin Read wrote:
> > On 02/06/15 01:56, Jose Martinez wrote:
> >> The question is, will jessie install and run on these old systems?
> >> If not, can I still get a debian distro that will?  I expect that
> >> the processors on at least one of them will be at least i386 or
> >> better, so I also expect that jessie will install and run, but
> >> that my main problem will be with drivers for the legacy
> >> peripherals.
> >
> > https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch02s01.html.en says:
> >
> > "However, Debian GNU/Linux jessie will not run on 486 or earlier 
> > processors. Despite the architecture name "i386", support for
> > actual 80386 and 80486 processors (and their clones) was dropped
> > with the Sarge (r3.1) and Squeeze (r6.0) releases of Debian,
> > respectively. The Intel Pentium and clones, including those without
> > an FPU (Floating-Point Unit or math coprocessor), are supported.
> > The Intel Quark is not supported, due to hardware errata. "
> >
> >
> Where you will also find problems is with various distros that 
> supposedly support Pentiums but that require PAE, which is missing
> from a lot of them.
> 
> Another huge issue is finding a windowing system that will be 
> lightweight enough to run in the memory older Pentium-based computers 
> are likely to support.

Look around and see if you can find a copy of fvwm 1.24r - I ran that
for years on a 386 with little RAM without any problems. Version 2 is a
little heavier, but you can compile it yourself and leave out options
you don't need, like pixmap support for the titlebars etc.

Petter

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Re: Old Computers

[Gary Dale]

On 01/06/15 10:10 PM, Martin Read wrote:

On 02/06/15 01:56, Jose Martinez wrote:

The question is, will jessie install and run on these old systems? If
not, can I still get a debian distro that will?  I expect that the
processors on at least one of them will be at least i386 or better, so I
also expect that jessie will install and run, but that my main problem
will be with drivers for the legacy peripherals.


https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch02s01.html.en says:

"However, Debian GNU/Linux jessie will not run on 486 or earlier 
processors. Despite the architecture name "i386", support for actual 
80386 and 80486 processors (and their clones) was dropped with the 
Sarge (r3.1) and Squeeze (r6.0) releases of Debian, respectively. The 
Intel Pentium and clones, including those without an FPU 
(Floating-Point Unit or math coprocessor), are supported. The Intel 
Quark is not supported, due to hardware errata. "



Where you will also find problems is with various distros that 
supposedly support Pentiums but that require PAE, which is missing from 
a lot of them.


Another huge issue is finding a windowing system that will be 
lightweight enough to run in the memory older Pentium-based computers 
are likely to support.


Debian is good starting point but you may want to start with as minimal 
an install as possible and only add things as you need them.



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Re: Old Computers

[Jose Martinez]

On 06/01/2015 09:10 PM, Martin Read wrote:

On 02/06/15 01:56, Jose Martinez wrote:

The question is, will jessie install and run on these old systems? If
not, can I still get a debian distro that will?  I expect that the
processors on at least one of them will be at least i386 or better, so I
also expect that jessie will install and run, but that my main problem
will be with drivers for the legacy peripherals.


https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch02s01.html.en says:

"However, Debian GNU/Linux jessie will not run on 486 or earlier 
processors. Despite the architecture name "i386", support for actual 
80386 and 80486 processors (and their clones) was dropped with the 
Sarge (r3.1) and Squeeze (r6.0) releases of Debian, respectively. The 
Intel Pentium and clones, including those without an FPU 
(Floating-Point Unit or math coprocessor), are supported. The Intel 
Quark is not supported, due to hardware errata. "



Hmm, that is a little disappointing.  But, I can probably run Squeeze.  
Nothing like stone knives and bear skins!:-)


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Re: Old Computers

[Martin Read]

On 02/06/15 01:56, Jose Martinez wrote:

The question is, will jessie install and run on these old systems? If
not, can I still get a debian distro that will?  I expect that the
processors on at least one of them will be at least i386 or better, so I
also expect that jessie will install and run, but that my main problem
will be with drivers for the legacy peripherals.


https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch02s01.html.en says:

"However, Debian GNU/Linux jessie will not run on 486 or earlier 
processors. Despite the architecture name "i386", support for actual 
80386 and 80486 processors (and their clones) was dropped with the Sarge 
(r3.1) and Squeeze (r6.0) releases of Debian, respectively. The Intel 
Pentium and clones, including those without an FPU (Floating-Point Unit 
or math coprocessor), are supported. The Intel Quark is not supported, 
due to hardware errata. "



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Old Computers

[Jose Martinez]

Hey guys,
I'm about to be blessed with several old PC computers.  By old I mean 
that some of them will not even have CDROM drives on them.  I will 
probably tear them all down, mix-and-match parts and make the best 
system(s) I can from those parts.  This is something I've done before, 
so the technical aspects are not a problem.  I expect to use the 
resulting system(s) solely for "play" purposes to experiment with and 
delve into the depths of the system programming primarily for 
educational purposes.  If any of you remember Scotty from the original 
Star Trek series and how he spent his off/vacation time pouring over 
tech manuals and playing with gadgets, well that's me!


The question is, will jessie install and run on these old systems? If 
not, can I still get a debian distro that will?  I expect that the 
processors on at least one of them will be at least i386 or better, so I 
also expect that jessie will install and run, but that my main problem 
will be with drivers for the legacy peripherals.


I just can't find it within me to throw out what is, other than being 
old, a good usable computer system.


I appreciate any information y'all can send my way.

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Install from writeable USB

[Charles Chambers]

Subject:
Re: Install from writeable USB
From:
Brian 
Date:
06/01/2015 06:19 AM

To:
debian-user@lists.debian.org


Your first post was to debian-user. Your reply was sent to debian-boot,
where most people on this list will not see it. The reply has been made
visible by bouncing it to -user. Please ensure any further mails come
here.

Sorry.

 On Sun 31 May 2015 at 16:48:51 -0700, Charles wrote:

> The results from
>
> fdisk -l /dev/sdb
>
> after:
>
> dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdb bs=4M count=60 && sync
> dd if=debian-7.8.0-[arch]-netinst.iso && sync
>
>  for both a i386 and amd64 netinst image, correct?

Yes.

> for an i386 netinst ISO:
>
> Disk /dev/sdb: 15.5 GB, 15502147584 bytes
> 64 heads, 32 sectors/track, 14784 cylinders, total 30277632 sectors
> Units = sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes
> Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
> I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
> Disk identifier: 0x178e0fca
>
>Device Boot  Start End  Blocks   Id  System
> /dev/sdb1   *  64  567295  283616   17  Hidden HPFS/NTFS

1. Create a second partition with fdisk or cfdisk. 

Done.  By default, fdisk created a Type 83 partition.  I added "mkfs.ext2 
/dev/sdc2" after physically removing/reinserting the drive to give it a file 
system.  This causes problems later on.  I changed the partition type to Type 7 
(HPFS/NTFS/exFat) and formatted as such because it mounts when I get to step 6.

1a. Mount the partition and copy preseed.cfg to it.

Done.  I also ran "chmod 777 preseed.cfg" to eliminate any possible permissions 
problems.  

2. Boot into the installer. Select expert mode from the Advanced menu.

Selected advanced options, cursor down to Expert Install.  Done.


 3. Press TAB and add file=/mnt/preseed.cfg to end of the displayed
   command.

Done.

 4. Boot the kernel.

Done.


 5. At the first screen switch to a console (ALT-F2). 'ls -l /dev/sdb*' 
  
   should help identify the second partition on the USB stick. Mount
   this partition; e.g: mount -t vfat /dev/sdc2 /mnt.

The first screen of the install is to select language, for which there is an 
option in preseed.cfg.  At this point, the install does not appear to be 
parsing preseed.cfg, but I haven't yet customized preseed.cfg.

However, setting the partition type of /dev/sdb2 to Type 7 lets me mount 
/dev/sdb2 on /mnt as vfat, so I have some progress.

6. Proceed with the install.

What makes it go?  The objective is a totally hands off install, but I exit the 
console and I'm still on the first screen of the Expert Install with the 
process awaiting input.



=

 

> For an amd64 netinst ISO:
>
> Disk /dev/sdb: 15.5 GB, 15502147584 bytes
> 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 1884 cylinders, total 30277632 sectors
> Units = sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes
> Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
> I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
> Disk identifier: 0x42a6671b
>
>Device Boot  Start End  Blocks   Id  System
> /dev/sdb1   *   0  454655  2273280  Empty
> /dev/sdb234404335 448   ef  EFI (FAT-12/16/32)
>
> Both look somewhat odd, but not so bad.
>
> I'd prefer using the amd64 image, if it gets that far.  The Dells are all 64-
> bit.

As above, but make sure the third partition starts after the end of the
first partition.

I tried.  Each and every attempt to create /dev/sdb3 ends up with the tool 
trying to replace /dev/sdb1.  I understand clearly that I may use space from 
sector 454656 to the end of the drive, but what tool best sets up that third 
partition?  I tried fdisk, cfdisk, GNU parted, Kparted, and Gparted.

Re: why libreoffice (writer) having trouble with tables

[Fabrizio Carrai]

Just to be sure I also created. saved and reopened a .odt fiiles with no
problem at all.
Please, post a short example.

F.

2015-06-01 23:13 GMT+02:00 Ric Moore :

> On 06/01/2015 04:45 PM, Leonardo Cuyar Morales wrote:
>
>> The problem can be reproduce by anyone who have inserted a table with
>> libreoffice. The table just don't keep the format, I mean, the
>> dimensions of the cells, the inside formats...anyway libreoffice
>> forums dont know either...
>>
>
> Is this a file you created fresh with writer or an imported docx file?? Ric
>
>
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Re: why libreoffice (writer) having trouble with tables

[Ric Moore]

On 06/01/2015 04:45 PM, Leonardo Cuyar Morales wrote:

The problem can be reproduce by anyone who have inserted a table with
libreoffice. The table just don't keep the format, I mean, the
dimensions of the cells, the inside formats...anyway libreoffice
forums dont know either...


Is this a file you created fresh with writer or an imported docx file?? Ric



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Re: why libreoffice (writer) having trouble with tables

[Reco]

 Hi.

On Mon, 1 Jun 2015 20:45:04 +
Leonardo Cuyar Morales  wrote:

> The problem can be reproduce by anyone who have inserted a table with
> libreoffice. The table just don't keep the format, I mean, the
> dimensions of the cells, the inside formats...anyway libreoffice
> forums dont know either...

Please do not top-post.

I've just created a fresh ODT document with some text, and a table with
custom formatting. Saving and re-opening produced the expected outcome -
every cell format was preserved. Said document is small enough so I
attach it to e-mail.

Please describe the problem in more detail, or (better) provide some
text document which illustrates the problem.

Reco


1.odt
Description: application/vnd.oasis.opendocument.text

Re: why libreoffice (writer) having trouble with tables

[Leonardo Cuyar Morales]

The problem can be reproduce by anyone who have inserted a table with
libreoffice. The table just don't keep the format, I mean, the
dimensions of the cells, the inside formats...anyway libreoffice
forums dont know either...

On 6/1/15, Fabrizio Carrai  wrote:
> A few points:
>
> 1) Can the problem be reproduced ?
> 2) Is a table example available ?
> 3) ...maybe you will have more support on a libreoffice forum. I don't
> think it is something related to Debian...
>
> F.
>
> 2015-06-01 22:29 GMT+02:00 Leonardo Cuyar Morales :
>
>> I made a document  with tables, when a open the same document later I
>> found all tables off format. How can I fix this? Is there any better
>> libre office version with this issue fixed?
>>
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Re: why libreoffice (writer) having trouble with tables

[Fabrizio Carrai]

A few points:

1) Can the problem be reproduced ?
2) Is a table example available ?
3) ...maybe you will have more support on a libreoffice forum. I don't
think it is something related to Debian...

F.

2015-06-01 22:29 GMT+02:00 Leonardo Cuyar Morales :

> I made a document  with tables, when a open the same document later I
> found all tables off format. How can I fix this? Is there any better
> libre office version with this issue fixed?
>
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why libreoffice (writer) having trouble with tables

[Leonardo Cuyar Morales]

I made a document  with tables, when a open the same document later I
found all tables off format. How can I fix this? Is there any better
libre office version with this issue fixed?


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Jessie - Mate - LibreOffice Need larger fonts everywhere

[Richard Owlett]

I just installed Jessie with Mate DE.
I had no trouble setting font size for menu-bars/drop down menus/etc.
I wish to use LibreOffice Calc.
Two problems:
  1. I need the text of Help Screens to be large enough to read.
  2. I want to force a specific default Font Family and Font 
Size for cells on
 *ALL* spreadsheets. I can set for specific region of 
current spreadsheet only.



Secondary question:
Any way to force minimum Font Size for any operator input 
independent of application?


TIA



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Hurray!

[notoneofmy]

Hat's off to the dev team.

I just plugged my laptop on the network with my NAS and was able to
search the NAS for files. And it worked great.

I'm so happy; this has been a great pain as it was possible in OSX and
then removed in 10.7.

I no longer have to suffer the indignity of Apple's bait and switch.

And what more; I kept changing the file name I'm searching for and the
update to the new searches were quite fast. For me, this is reason
enough to be this happy to write and say, thanks a lot guys!

If I can right click and arrange files by types, dates, etc, this would
be wonderful.

Keep up the great work!


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Re: webpage spell error

[Chris Bannister]

On Mon, Jun 01, 2015 at 08:52:24PM +0800, mudongliang wrote:
> https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/ch-compat.zh-cn.html
> 
> 3.6 IDebian 可以运行 libc5 程序吗?
> 
> 
> 
>3.6 IDebian 可以运行 libc5 程序吗?
> 
> IDebian is an spell error! It should be "Debian"!

Waste of time telling us, you should send the message to the 
debian-www list instead.

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Re: cloudprint Message: https://developers.google.com/accounts/docs/AuthForInstalledApps

[Reco]

 Hi.

On Mon, 01 Jun 2015 20:37:19 +0200
Håkon Alstadheim  wrote:

> Trying to run cloudprintd from the cloudprint package in debian jessie
> recently started giving errors like so:
> 
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "/usr/sbin/cloudprintd", line 9, in 
> load_entry_point('cloudprint==0.11', 'console_scripts',
> 'cloudprint-cmd')()
>   File "/usr/share/cloudprint/cloudprint/cloudprint.py", line 496, in main
> sync_printers(cups_connection, cpp)
>   File "/usr/share/cloudprint/cloudprint/cloudprint.py", line 330, in
> sync_printers
> remote_printers = dict([(p.name, p) for p in cpp.get_printers()])
>   File "/usr/share/cloudprint/cloudprint/cloudprint.py", line 177, in
> get_printers
> r = self.get_rest()
>   File "/usr/share/cloudprint/cloudprint/cloudprint.py", line 173, in
> get_rest
> auth = self.get_auth()
>   File "/usr/share/cloudprint/cloudprint/cloudprint.py", line 99, in
> get_auth
> 'application/x-www-form-urlencoded')
>   File "/usr/share/cloudprint/cloudprint/rest.py", line 122, in post
> return self.rest_call('POST', path, data, content_type, headers,
> response_type)
>   File "/usr/share/cloudprint/cloudprint/rest.py", line 105, in rest_call
> raise REST.RESTException('REST Error', resp.status, data)
> cloudprint.rest.RESTException: REST Error:404
> Message: https://developers.google.com/accounts/docs/AuthForInstalledApps
> 
> The page at the link in the last line says:
> " *Important:* ClientLogin has been officially deprecated
> 
> since April 20, 2012 and is now no longer available. Requests to
> ClientLogin will fail with a HTTP 404 response. We encourage you to
> migrate to OAuth 2.0
>  as soon as
> possible."
> 
> Ideas, anybody ? (preferably ideas not involving installing windows)

The page you've clicked explained it all. Cloudprint they ship in
Debian uses discontinued ClientLogin Google service. There's even bug
#787102 filled about it (although I'd raise severity of that bug to 'grave').

>From here you can move in three directions:

1) Convince Google to bring ClientLogin back.

2) Patch cloudprint to use OAuth.

3) Use anything else to do whatever you're trying to accomplish.

Reco


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Re: cloudprint Message: https://developers.google.com/accounts/docs/AuthForInstalledApps

[Frank]

On 01/06/15 03:21 PM, Reco wrote:

  Hi.

On Mon, 01 Jun 2015 20:37:19 +0200
Håkon Alstadheim  wrote:


Trying to run cloudprintd from the cloudprint package in debian jessie
recently started giving errors like so:

Traceback (most recent call last):
   File "/usr/sbin/cloudprintd", line 9, in 
 load_entry_point('cloudprint==0.11', 'console_scripts',
'cloudprint-cmd')()
   File "/usr/share/cloudprint/cloudprint/cloudprint.py", line 496, in main
 sync_printers(cups_connection, cpp)
   File "/usr/share/cloudprint/cloudprint/cloudprint.py", line 330, in
sync_printers
 remote_printers = dict([(p.name, p) for p in cpp.get_printers()])
   File "/usr/share/cloudprint/cloudprint/cloudprint.py", line 177, in
get_printers
 r = self.get_rest()
   File "/usr/share/cloudprint/cloudprint/cloudprint.py", line 173, in
get_rest
 auth = self.get_auth()
   File "/usr/share/cloudprint/cloudprint/cloudprint.py", line 99, in
get_auth
 'application/x-www-form-urlencoded')
   File "/usr/share/cloudprint/cloudprint/rest.py", line 122, in post
 return self.rest_call('POST', path, data, content_type, headers,
response_type)
   File "/usr/share/cloudprint/cloudprint/rest.py", line 105, in rest_call
 raise REST.RESTException('REST Error', resp.status, data)
cloudprint.rest.RESTException: REST Error:404
Message: https://developers.google.com/accounts/docs/AuthForInstalledApps

The page at the link in the last line says:
" *Important:* ClientLogin has been officially deprecated

since April 20, 2012 and is now no longer available. Requests to
ClientLogin will fail with a HTTP 404 response. We encourage you to
migrate to OAuth 2.0
 as soon as
possible."

Ideas, anybody ? (preferably ideas not involving installing windows)


The page you've clicked explained it all. Cloudprint they ship in
Debian uses discontinued ClientLogin Google service. There's even bug
#787102 filled about it (although I'd raise severity of that bug to 'grave').


From here you can move in three directions:


1) Convince Google to bring ClientLogin back.

2) Patch cloudprint to use OAuth.

3) Use anything else to do whatever you're trying to accomplish.

Reco




   The bug was filed by the Cloudprint maintainer so I don't think it'll
take too long before it's fixed.


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cloudprint Message: https://developers.google.com/accounts/docs/AuthForInstalledApps

[Håkon Alstadheim]

Trying to run cloudprintd from the cloudprint package in debian jessie
recently started giving errors like so:

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/sbin/cloudprintd", line 9, in 
load_entry_point('cloudprint==0.11', 'console_scripts',
'cloudprint-cmd')()
  File "/usr/share/cloudprint/cloudprint/cloudprint.py", line 496, in main
sync_printers(cups_connection, cpp)
  File "/usr/share/cloudprint/cloudprint/cloudprint.py", line 330, in
sync_printers
remote_printers = dict([(p.name, p) for p in cpp.get_printers()])
  File "/usr/share/cloudprint/cloudprint/cloudprint.py", line 177, in
get_printers
r = self.get_rest()
  File "/usr/share/cloudprint/cloudprint/cloudprint.py", line 173, in
get_rest
auth = self.get_auth()
  File "/usr/share/cloudprint/cloudprint/cloudprint.py", line 99, in
get_auth
'application/x-www-form-urlencoded')
  File "/usr/share/cloudprint/cloudprint/rest.py", line 122, in post
return self.rest_call('POST', path, data, content_type, headers,
response_type)
  File "/usr/share/cloudprint/cloudprint/rest.py", line 105, in rest_call
raise REST.RESTException('REST Error', resp.status, data)
cloudprint.rest.RESTException: REST Error:404
Message: https://developers.google.com/accounts/docs/AuthForInstalledApps

The page at the link in the last line says:
" *Important:* ClientLogin has been officially deprecated

since April 20, 2012 and is now no longer available. Requests to
ClientLogin will fail with a HTTP 404 response. We encourage you to
migrate to OAuth 2.0
 as soon as
possible."

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Re: Skype video question

[deloptes]

Haines Brown wrote:

which version of skype are you using and on what system?

> No luck. When I try to establish a connection, the interface still comes
> up with the camera icon crossed out. I assume that this icon should not be
> crossed out at any time, even before contact is made.

if it is grey and crossed while dialing it is ok. when call is established
the other party may enable video and then you see the normal icon

> 
> I notice that besides the crossed out video camera, to the left of the
> interface is the IM symbol. Does this mean that the communication mode
> I'm trying to establish is IM, not video? Under General Options, enabled
> is call rather than chat.

no - it looks like you never used skype, man. the symbol means chat - you
can start chat by pressing it with the person you are talking to.

> 
> I notice now that the contact with whom the problem first came up has a
> little blue video camera icon to the far right in my list of
> contacts. That icon is missing for another contact. What does this icon
> mean?

It means that the person has video camera setup and you can do a video call

Does the people you can not make video call have camera and can make video
call to other people using skype?

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Re: possibility of faking displays

[Curt]

On 2015-06-01, Venkat Ragavan Swaminathan  wrote:
> I am trying understand the possibility of achieving this:
>
> I have an N2600 motherboard and using Debian 6 (2.6.32).
>  I for sure know that, If  need to control my display devices I need
> to update my Xorg and Kernel.
>  Which in current situation i do not see any possibility due to
> business implications.
>  So. is there a way i make my kernel with MODPROBE or some mechanism
> to detect my displays (HDMI& VGA)
>  So that from application i can use both screens to display.
>  I am okay to use even VESA driver.
>
>

I've read that a virtualbox guest VM can run dual monitors (you could
install a more recent debian inside the VM); whether that fits the
problem space (probably doesn't) I dunno. 


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Re: much longer boot time with jessie

[D. R. Evans]

Fekete Tamás wrote on 06/01/2015 11:02 AM:

> The only thing I can add to this topic that the problem came not because of
> a
> bad apt-get dist-upgrade, because boot was slowly even if I installed a
> completely new jessie.
> 
> Based on your answers, it seems my problem is an exception and not the rule.
> But it seems something is not okay with the new jessie, that's sure.
> 

An additional datum that might help someone: I experienced the same thing on
Kubuntu. But when I installed jessie on the hardware, this problem went away.

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Re: Dual NIC network

[Fekete Tamás]

Hello,

you can find a lot of useful info on: http://www.aboutdebian.com/network.htm

2015-06-01 16:22 GMT+02:00 Darac Marjal :

> On Mon, Jun 01, 2015 at 03:48:51PM +0200, notoneofmy wrote:
> > Hallo,
> >
> > Would some please say, how to configure the wifi card and the Ethernet
> > port on my laptop, so that one can go online and the other can only
> > access the local network. And in such a way that connection from one
> > network, local, cannot be used to access another network, internet.
>
> In essence, you need to set the IP of each interface to be part of the
> network, set the netmask to encompass the part of the network which can
> be directly reachable on that network, and set the gateway address to
> point to a host which can forward packets on to hosts outside that
> network. (So, for the local network, there'd be no gateway). If you
> don't turn on IP_Forwarding ("cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
> /proc/sys/net/ipv6/conf/all/forwarding" should be 0,0), then the kernel
> won't sent packets between the interfaces.
>
> There are numerous ways to achieve this. You can set the information
> statically in /etc/network/interfaces. You can set the information
> statically in a GUI such as Network Manager or WICD. You can push the
> information to your host using DHCP.
>
> >
> > Thanks a lot in advance.
> >
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Re: much longer boot time with jessie

[Fekete Tamás]

Hello!

I was over of the 10'th reboot, when I gave up and reinstalled wheezy (I
was unable to
modify the starting processes as well. I wanted to do it, because I hate
starting into gdm3,
and the system was not able to handle update-rc.d -f gdm3 remove command. I
mean gdm3
was disappeared from rc.x directories, but systemd was still boot me into
gdm3.)

So, firstly the slowlyness was not because of the first boot (because I
tried more than 10times)
Secondly, I can not say how the system would act for commands given by
Michael (because
I moved back to wheezy)

The only thing I can add to this topic that the problem came not because of
a
bad apt-get dist-upgrade, because boot was slowly even if I installed a
completely new jessie.

Based on your answers, it seems my problem is an exception and not the rule.
But it seems something is not okay with the new jessie, that's sure.

2015-05-31 23:54 GMT+02:00 Michael Biebl :

> Am 31.05.2015 um 21:29 schrieb Fekete Tamás:
> > Hy everyone!
> >
> > I have 7 years old computer with wheezy installed on it. Temporarly or
> not
> > I decided to keep this older version of Debian, because I upgraded to
> > jessie and the boot time became extremey slower. To represent this with
> > numbers: when grub finished with countdown, took 52 seconds to boot into
> > GDM.
> > In wheezy it tooks only 30 sec (which is completely normal I think) with
> > the same conditions.
> >
> > Same conditions. Except two. (Sorry for those who believe of the success
> of
> > systemd.) I have to suspect systemd and new Gnome as well.
> >
>
> What does "systemd-analyze blame" and "systemd-analyze critical-chain" say?
>
>
> --
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> universe are pointed away from Earth?
>
>

Re: SOLVED Re: weird problem with one mail account in Thunderbird....ISP or what ?

[Frank]

On 31/05/15 03:55 PM, David Christensen wrote:

On 05/31/2015 12:10 PM, Frank wrote:

I really would like to switch ISPs but basically the only other one
available is Bell Canadawhom I dislike more than Videotron!!


I live in California.  Apparently, there are laws here that require the
telephone company -- AT&T in my case -- to allow smaller companies to
lease individual ADSL circuits and provide Internet service to customers
connected to AT&T equipment.  So, I have 1.5M/384k ADSL with static IP's
through qnet.com.  The upside is that I get an unfiltered 24x7
connection to the Internet and I don't have to deal with AT&T.  The
downside is that AT&T no longer invests in ADSL, so my connection will
never get faster.  Is there something similar where you live?


David




  A similar situation here with DSL...but I am too far from the central 
office to get decent DSL service. So I use cable from Videotron...the 
only other ISP is Bell Canada...at least as far as non-DSL services. So 
I am stuck between a rock and a hard place :)


Frank


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Re: Dual NIC network

[Darac Marjal]

On Mon, Jun 01, 2015 at 03:48:51PM +0200, notoneofmy wrote:
> Hallo,
> 
> Would some please say, how to configure the wifi card and the Ethernet
> port on my laptop, so that one can go online and the other can only
> access the local network. And in such a way that connection from one
> network, local, cannot be used to access another network, internet.

In essence, you need to set the IP of each interface to be part of the
network, set the netmask to encompass the part of the network which can
be directly reachable on that network, and set the gateway address to
point to a host which can forward packets on to hosts outside that
network. (So, for the local network, there'd be no gateway). If you
don't turn on IP_Forwarding ("cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
/proc/sys/net/ipv6/conf/all/forwarding" should be 0,0), then the kernel
won't sent packets between the interfaces.

There are numerous ways to achieve this. You can set the information
statically in /etc/network/interfaces. You can set the information
statically in a GUI such as Network Manager or WICD. You can push the
information to your host using DHCP.

> 
> Thanks a lot in advance.
> 
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Re: Setting up symbolic links in Degian Jessie

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> Le 31/05/2015 00:30, John Hasler a écrit :
> >John J. Boyer writes:
> >>The symlink command does not exist on Debian Jessie.
> >man ln
> 
> If you refer to the symlink(2) in the manual that means it's a
> system call. See man 2 symlink. It's not a user-end executable
> command :-).

Or rather: when the user wants to wield this system call from a shell,
she'll invoke "ln -s".

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Dual NIC network

[notoneofmy]

Hallo,

Would some please say, how to configure the wifi card and the Ethernet
port on my laptop, so that one can go online and the other can only
access the local network. And in such a way that connection from one
network, local, cannot be used to access another network, internet.

Thanks a lot in advance.


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Re: Install from writeable USB

[Brian]

Your first post was to debian-user. Your reply was sent to debian-boot,
where most people on this list will not see it. The reply has been made
visible by bouncing it to -user. Please ensure any further mails come
here.


On Sun 31 May 2015 at 16:48:51 -0700, Charles wrote:

> The results from
> 
> fdisk -l /dev/sdb
> 
> after:
> 
> dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdb bs=4M count=60 && sync
> dd if=debian-7.8.0-[arch]-netinst.iso && sync
> 
>  for both a i386 and amd64 netinst image, correct?

Yes.

> for an i386 netinst ISO:
> 
> Disk /dev/sdb: 15.5 GB, 15502147584 bytes
> 64 heads, 32 sectors/track, 14784 cylinders, total 30277632 sectors
> Units = sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes
> Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
> I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
> Disk identifier: 0x178e0fca
> 
>Device Boot  Start End  Blocks   Id  System
> /dev/sdb1   *  64  567295  283616   17  Hidden HPFS/NTFS

1. Create a second partition with fdisk or cfdisk. Mount the partition
   and copy preseed.cfg to it.

2. Boot into the installer. Select expert mode from the Advanced menu.

3. Press TAB and add file=/mnt/preseed.cfg to end of the displayed
   command.

4. Boot the kernel.

5. At the first screen switch to a console (ALT-F2). 'ls -l /dev/sdb*'  
 
   should help identify the second partition on the USB stick. Mount
   this partition; e.g: mount -t vfat /dev/sdc2 /mnt.

6. Proceed with the install.

> For an amd64 netinst ISO:
> 
> Disk /dev/sdb: 15.5 GB, 15502147584 bytes
> 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 1884 cylinders, total 30277632 sectors
> Units = sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes
> Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
> I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
> Disk identifier: 0x42a6671b
> 
>Device Boot  Start End  Blocks   Id  System
> /dev/sdb1   *   0  454655  2273280  Empty
> /dev/sdb234404335 448   ef  EFI (FAT-12/16/32)
> 
> Both look somewhat odd, but not so bad.
> 
> I'd prefer using the amd64 image, if it gets that far.  The Dells are all 64-
> bit.

As above, but make sure the third partition starts after the end of the
first partition.


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webpage spell error

[mudongliang]

https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/ch-compat.zh-cn.html

3.6 IDebian 可以运行 libc5 程序吗? 




   3.6 IDebian 可以运行 libc5 程序吗?

IDebian is an spell error! It should be "Debian"!

mudongliang

Re: Setting up symbolic links in Degian Jessie

[David Demelier]

Le 31/05/2015 00:30, John Hasler a écrit :

John J. Boyer writes:

The symlink command does not exist on Debian Jessie.

man ln


If you refer to the symlink(2) in the manual that means it's a system 
call. See man 2 symlink. It's not a user-end executable command :-).


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Re: Skype video question

[Sven Arvidsson]

On Mon, 2015-06-01 at 05:45 -0400, Haines Brown wrote:
> No luck. When I try to establish a connection, the interface still comes up
> with the camera icon crossed out. I assume that this icon should not be
> crossed out at any time, even before contact is made.

Have you enabled the camera in the settings and restarted Skype?

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Re: Install from writeable USB

[Charles]

On Sun 31 May 2015 at 13:56:30 -0700, Charles wrote:

> Correct.  Sorry, I'm a little frustrated.

Let's see what we can do to remove the frustration

You are so kind .

> Two directions:
> 
> 1)  I've found lots of solutions regarding how to refer the install process 
> to 
> a URL (web server).  This is a bit of an overkill.

Fine. We'll agree with that.

Ideally, in a home environment with few machines available and certainly not 
one to load a web server just for this.
 
> 2)  I've been told repeatedly that doing a dd copy to a USB stick gives one 
> the ability to create a writeable partition on the same USB stick, only to 

That is correct.

> have such advice withdrawn when I point out that fdisk, gparted, and kparted 
> indicate that there are four partitions (fdisk) or no partitions (gparted and 
> kparted) on the USB thumb drive.  Fdisk won't add a partition beyond 
> /dev/sdb4, and gparted and kparted wipe out the existing (dd copy) data when 
> they create a new partition.

dd an i386 netinst image to a USB stick. Now do 'fdisk -l /dev/sdX' and
post the output. 'X' can be found from the the last few lines of the
output of the dmesg command. It might be a or b etc.

Repeat for an amd64 netinst image and again post the output.
I'll continue, but now I'm stupid.  The earlier attempts have involved doing a 
dd of boot.img to the USB thumb drive, and then copying the installation ISO 
intact to that same drive.   THAT'S the process that gives me the four 
partitions that look like gibberish. It was multiple efforts to get the ISO 
image onto a partition for read/write access.

This one may/may not look better, but I will comply.

The results from

fdisk -l /dev/sdb

after:

dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdb bs=4M count=60 && sync
dd if=debian-7.8.0-[arch]-netinst.iso && sync

 for both a i386 and amd64 netinst image, correct?

for an i386 netinst ISO:

Disk /dev/sdb: 15.5 GB, 15502147584 bytes
64 heads, 32 sectors/track, 14784 cylinders, total 30277632 sectors
Units = sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes
Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
Disk identifier: 0x178e0fca

   Device Boot  Start End  Blocks   Id  System
/dev/sdb1   *  64  567295  283616   17  Hidden HPFS/NTFS

For an amd64 netinst ISO:

Disk /dev/sdb: 15.5 GB, 15502147584 bytes
255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 1884 cylinders, total 30277632 sectors
Units = sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes
Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
Disk identifier: 0x42a6671b

   Device Boot  Start End  Blocks   Id  System
/dev/sdb1   *   0  454655  2273280  Empty
/dev/sdb234404335 448   ef  EFI (FAT-12/16/32)

Both look somewhat odd, but not so bad.

I'd prefer using the amd64 image, if it gets that far.  The Dells are all 64-
bit.

Re: Skype video question

[Haines Brown]

On Mon, Jun 01, 2015 at 01:22:49AM +0200, Kailash Kalyani wrote:
> 
> 
> On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 12:49 AM, Haines Brown  wrote:
> 
> I used to run skype without a problem, but now when someone calls, they
> can hear and see me. I can hear but cannot see them.
> 
> Try this:
> 
> LD_PRELOAD=/usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libv4l/v4l1compat.so /usr/bin/skype
> src: https://wiki.debian.org/skype

I am in video group, lib4l-0 library is installed and I replaced the line
Exec=skype %U with the line 
Exec=LD_PRELOAD=/usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libv4l/v4l1compat.so /usr/bin/skype %U
in /usr/local/applications/skype.desktop.

No luck. When I try to establish a connection, the interface still comes up
with the camera icon crossed out. I assume that this icon should not be
crossed out at any time, even before contact is made.

I notice that besides the crossed out video camera, to the left of the
interface is the IM symbol. Does this mean that the communication mode
I'm trying to establish is IM, not video? Under General Options, enabled
is call rather than chat. 

I notice now that the contact with whom the problem first came up has a
little blue video camera icon to the far right in my list of
contacts. That icon is missing for another contact. What does this icon
mean?




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Re: Do a MCQ

[Darac Marjal]

On Sun, May 31, 2015 at 07:23:09AM +, Alex PADOLY wrote:
>Hello, I look for one application in accommodated on a server to edit and
>manage MCQ. Thank you

A web search suggests to me that the most likely expansion of MCQ is
"Multiple Choice Questionnaire". In that case, this[1] is probably a
good place to start. I don't know how many, if any, of those
applications are in Debian, but Debian does make for a decent host to a
web application.

[1] https://alternativeto.net/software/surveymonkey/?platform=linux

> 
>Regards.
> 
>Alex
> 
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possibility of faking displays

[Venkat Ragavan Swaminathan]

I am trying understand the possibility of achieving this:

I have an N2600 motherboard and using Debian 6 (2.6.32).
 I for sure know that, If  need to control my display devices I need
to update my Xorg and Kernel.
 Which in current situation i do not see any possibility due to
business implications.
 So. is there a way i make my kernel with MODPROBE or some mechanism
to detect my displays (HDMI& VGA)
 So that from application i can use both screens to display.
 I am okay to use even VESA driver.


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