Re: Are spammers subscibing to the lists?
On Wed, 18 Jun 1997, joost witteveen wrote: Seriously, though: Is there a way (with procmail or other) that I can automatically forward all email with non-existant Reply-To: addresses to /dev/null? That would probably halve the amount of spam I get. Most of the spam seems to come from a half a dozen or so domains. I send everything from those domains to /dev/null with procmail. Like this ( part of .procmailrc )- :0: * ^(To|From|Sender).*savetrees.com /dev/null :0: * ^(To|From|Sender).*cyberpromo.com /dev/null :0: * ^(To|From|Sender).*ispam.net /dev/null :0: * ^(To|From|Sender).*spamford.com /dev/null :0: * ^(To|From|Sender).*public.com /dev/null :0: * ^(To|From|Sender).*quantcom.com /dev/null http://www.sound.net/~wpmills/ - : W. Paul Mills : Bill, I was there several years ago. : : Topeka, Kansas, U.S.A. : Why would I want to go back tomorrow?: : [EMAIL PROTECTED] : Where were you! : : [EMAIL PROTECTED] : : : [EMAIL PROTECTED] : Linux: Tomorrow's operating system, : : [EMAIL PROTECTED] :here, today. : : [EMAIL PROTECTED] : : : compuserve 70023,1750 : #define MY_TRUE_LOVE computer: -- http://homepage.midusa.net/~wpmills/ - -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Are spammers subscibing to the lists?
I am testing some spam filtering measures on debian.novare.net, if they work I will suggest that the regular posters here forward their mail through that site. I installed a domain filter and will put in IP filtering as soon as I can find the list of IP addresses to filter. I also made a spam-address-list-pollution hack that changes my email address to a valid but different one of the form bruce-%d for each message I send. You need a .qmail-default file to receive messages when using this sort of scheme. I'll get to work on a filter that catches duplicate messages sent to those addresses. Thanks Bruce -- Bruce Perens K6BP [EMAIL PROTECTED] 510-215-3502 Finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for PGP public key. PGP fingerprint = 88 6A 15 D0 65 D4 A3 A6 1F 89 6A 76 95 24 87 B3 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Are spammers subscibing to the lists?
On Wed, 18 Jun 1997, Paul Wade wrote: On Wed, 18 Jun 1997, Sudhakar Chandrasekharan wrote: Talking of spam - Have you folks ever wondered how they never want to sell anything that is worth buying? All the spam that I have got seem to belong to one of the following categories - * Make money fast (rehash of the old pyramid scheme) * Advertise your site in a gazillion search engine for pennies * Scantily clad persons are waiting for me to visit their pages. * 10,000 fresh email addresses are available for 19.95 (this should be the spam equivalent of recursion ;-) You forgot one type: Some months ago, after posting to this list, a junkmailer urged me several times to accept Jesus Christ as my personal saviour. Well, as long as they don't e-mail bibles along with it this kind of spam is probably the most bearable. Dear debian users, I am looking for a way to make money fast while advertising my website in all the search engines. Hopefully, scantily clad persons are waiting to sell me thousands of email addresses. While you're at it, you might want to start a cult too. Seriously, I think they are fishing in the wrong place for idiots. Seriously, why not share some countermeasures with the rest of the list? For example if I get spam/junkmail and I feel like taking time to react, I'll spell the message header carefully and traceroute the site. Depending on where the message came from I'll reply to: - if the spam is sent by [EMAIL PROTECTED], send it to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and also to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - an account that's very likely not aliased to /dev/null. Most big isp's do reasonably actively maintain an abuse address, though not all do. - if the spam is coming from an address like [EMAIL PROTECTED], the output from traceroute becomes very important. I'll email my complaint to the abuses and postmasters of two or three upstream isp's _and_ I'll fill the bcc: lines with all account names at the spammer site that I can think of and care to type. In the message that I send to complain about the spam, I always include the full header and relevant parts of the message (often just k's and k's of predictable drivel, but sometimes they include (web)addresses.) I clearly state that the message was sent unsollicited and against my wish. That this is illegal in the US and many other countries (latter is just a guess by me.) That their systems have been participating in these breaches of law. That I urge them to take some kind of action so that I will not undergo further harrassments supported by their systems. Of course I am not a lawyer and most of the above is pure bluff. I am not a US citizen and would probably never start a lawsuit in the US - where most of the spammers and their isp's reside. It is just my impression that americans tend to be quite paranoid about possible lawsuits. Naturally I try to word everything in a friendly and concerned tone and I dear sirs/ladies them, but I also try to maximize the suggestion of liability. This is the reason to bcc: the spammer. Maybe he doen't take these threats very seriously, he might think that his isp does take it seriously. To make sure that the spammer notices this, I bcc: him on as many accounts and hosts/domains as possible. I bet that pisses the spammers off, because I never get follow-up spams after I have complained in the above explained manner. I'm very curious about other methods of fighting back. What does abuse.net do for example? Let the spammers know that this is the wrong place to collect spam victims. If enough debian-related email addresses give them bad feedback, they might sooner or later figure out that it is better policy for them to not collect their addresses from this list. Joost -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Are spammers subscibing to the lists?
Joost Kooij wrote: On Wed, 18 Jun 1997, Paul Wade wrote: On Wed, 18 Jun 1997, Sudhakar Chandrasekharan wrote: Talking of spam - Have you folks ever wondered how they never want to sell anything that is worth buying? All the spam that I have got seem to belong to one of the following categories - * Make money fast (rehash of the old pyramid scheme) * Advertise your site in a gazillion search engine for pennies * Scantily clad persons are waiting for me to visit their pages. * 10,000 fresh email addresses are available for 19.95 (this should be the spam equivalent of recursion ;-) You forgot one type: Some months ago, after posting to this list, a junkmailer urged me several times to accept Jesus Christ as my personal saviour. Well, as long as they don't e-mail bibles along with it this kind of spam is probably the most bearable. Perhaps we have a real Debian Jock spammer. (S)He seems to know that the Debian distribution contains the King James version of the text. ;-) snip I'm very curious about other methods of fighting back. What does abuse.net do for example? snip I have been using the net for more almost 4 years now and this kind of spam seems to have started fairly recently (about a year back). The net.pests of yesteryears were an entirely different species mainly menacing usenet. Do others around here remember net.history the same way I do? Sudhakar -- Reverend, I think I am coveting my own wife. -- Ned Flanders Sudhakar Chandrasekharan(415) 937-2354 (O) International Web Engineer Type of Guy (415) 940-1896 (H) http://home.netscape.com/people/thaths/ smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Re: Are spammers subscibing to the lists?
On Jun 18, joost witteveen wrote Seriously, though: Is there a way (with procmail or other) that I can automatically forward all email with non-existant Reply-To: addresses to /dev/null? That would probably halve the amount of spam I get. Huh? You meant 'invalid', not 'non-existant', right? Most email doesn't have an Reply-To... no need if the From address is correct. Assuming you were talking about 'invalid' addresses, you'd probably need a small C/perl program to check the addresses (you have to do a DNS lookup for MXes, etc.) Christian pgpRIZcxlcVoh.pgp Description: PGP signature
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On Jun 18, Bruce Perens wrote It looks as if someone is trolling the Debian mailing lists and spamming their subscribers. The spammer may be getting them via the news gateway. Hmm. But wasn't the news gateway taken down a few monts ago? Christian pgpNLeBtO04r7.pgp Description: PGP signature
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OK. Here is a good summary of how to fight spam. I have several messages informing me that abuser accounts were suspended or terminated. Only one apologized. Others have foolishly tried revenge. I'll put my email address anywhere I want. I won't cede my rights or territory to the spammers. Look at my method. If enough people would use it, the spammers would leave the internet and go back to telemarketing. On Wed, 18 Jun 1997, Christian Hudon wrote: On Jun 18, Bruce Perens wrote It looks as if someone is trolling the Debian mailing lists and spamming their subscribers. The spammer may be getting them via the news gateway. Hmm. But wasn't the news gateway taken down a few monts ago? All I have to do is subscribe to a bunch of lists with a name like [EMAIL PROTECTED] and use fetchmail/procmail to put them in one folder so I don't have to read them at all. Then run them through a simple perl script to add newly found addresses to a database and delete the messages when done. There are so many lists available that it could keep a machine very busy. Many list archives are also available via ftp. Someone could pick up addresses more efficiently by downloading an entire month of traffic in a gunzipped file. To fight spam, visit http://www.abuse.net and start using their system. It helps build their database of addresses to complain to. For domains which are actually spam providers or unresponsive/unreachable, they 'climb the traceroute ladder'. I have gotten acknowledgement from mci.net when I actually complained about another domain because of this strategy. They also have some sample scripts for decoding headers and such. When I get spam, I save it to folder spam.new in pine. I usually get up very early and while I drink my first cup of coffee, I go through this folder. I use another virtual console to traceroute and then file the complaints. I always complain to the access and mailserver providers. If mail servers are open to relaying, they should keep logs so that they can verify that a message was accepted from an IP(i.e. modem) and delivered to another system. Any network that delivers unwanted mail to me has an obligation to investigate and notify the dialup ISP that their customer is spamming and trying to hide behind another network's mail server. Any network that provides dedicated or dialup access has an obligation to maintain logs that will show which account used the IP at a particular time. These logs should be kept for enough time to investigate complaints (a month would be fine). Reporting is easy in pine: Make sure full headers is on and the pine option to include them in replies. Reply change the To: header to something like: ([EMAIL PROTECTED],[EMAIL PROTECTED]) Read in a standard complaint file at the top of the body. Send it. This works. Tip - Whenever you get porno spam change the complaint to: 'This unsolicited email was received by several accounts in my domains, including minor schoolchildren.' The ISP's seem to be sensitive to this wording. +--+ + Paul Wade Greenbush Technologies Corporation + + mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.greenbush.com/ + +--+ + http://www.greenbush.com/cds.html Special Linux CD offer + +--+ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Are spammers subscibing to the lists?
On Jun 18, joost witteveen wrote
Seriously, though: Is there a way (with procmail or other) that
I can automatically forward all email with non-existant
Reply-To: addresses to /dev/null? That would probably halve the
amount of spam I get.
Huh? You meant 'invalid', not 'non-existant', right?
Well, whatever you call an adress [EMAIL PROTECTED]. I'd
say that adress doesn't exist, but it's invalid too, I guess.
Most email doesn't
have an Reply-To... no need if the From address is correct. Assuming you
were talking about 'invalid' addresses, you'd probably need a small C/perl
program to check the addresses (you have to do a DNS lookup for MXes, etc.)
OK, yes, I got that far. But _where_ do I put that C/perl wrapper?
It doesn't seem like I can put it in ~/.procmailrc, while that
is actually where I'd like to put it (I don't mind mails from
mailinglists having invalid return adresses, there are many people
with adresses like [EMAIL PROTECTED] on mailinglists, and
I'd like to be able to get email from them via the mailinglists).
Does anybody know the correct syntax for procmail/other mailfilter?
This actually doesn't work, and I couldn't find anything in
procmailrc(5).
:0
exec /usr/local/bin/check_sender
/dev/null
(where /usr/local/bin/check_sender would be started with the current
email as stdin, and if check_sender returns true (0), mail would
be saved in /dev/null (or another file -- probably /dev/null doesn't
work as procmail cannot really lock that file, I guess).)
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Re: Are spammers subscibing to the lists?
On Thu, Jun 19, 1997 at 02:36:12AM +0200, Joost Kooij wrote: You forgot one type: Some months ago, after posting to this list, a junkmailer urged me several times to accept Jesus Christ as my personal saviour. Well, as long as they don't e-mail bibles along with it this kind of spam is probably the most bearable. I received this spam about five times, from four different ISPs. Three out of four acknowledged my complaint messages and removed the user, or informed me that the user had already been removed. Although I did get some fairly strange automated replies. out of ibm.net. I think posting to news is probably far more dangerous. Luckily, your favourite mail sorter can also sort out and kill spam. I use sortmail here on this Solaris machine at uni, because procmail isn't installed and I've already filled my disk quota with other binaries. sortmail is only 20k odd, works quite well, and comes from comp.sources.unix or .misc or something. hamish -- Hamish Moffatt, StudIEAust[EMAIL PROTECTED] Student, computer science computer systems engineering.3rd year, RMIT. http://hamish.home.ml.org/ (PGP key here) CPOM: [ ] 47% The opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth. --Bohr -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Are spammers subscibing to the lists?
joost witteveen wrote: ... :0 exec /usr/local/bin/check_sender /dev/null (where /usr/local/bin/check_sender would be started with the current email as stdin, and if check_sender returns true (0), mail would be saved in /dev/null (or another file -- probably /dev/null doesn't work as procmail cannot really lock that file, I guess).) 1) :0: or :0:/dev/null.lock would try to lock the file, :0 shouldn't. 2) isn't it ? /usr/local/bin/check_sender (hint, hint.) -- Dimitri -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (joost witteveen) :0 exec /usr/local/bin/check_sender /dev/null :0 h * ? /usr/local/bin/check_sender /dev/null Bruce -- Bruce Perens K6BP [EMAIL PROTECTED] 510-215-3502 Finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for PGP public key. PGP fingerprint = 88 6A 15 D0 65 D4 A3 A6 1F 89 6A 76 95 24 87 B3 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Are spammers subscibing to the lists?
Seems like the incoming spam has picked up, although I haven't been on usenet for weeks. Makes me wonder if we have a spammer subscribed to the lists just to collect email addresses. Anybody else with the same problem? +--+ + Paul Wade Greenbush Technologies Corporation + + mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.greenbush.com/ + +--+ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
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Seems like the incoming spam has picked up, although I haven't been on usenet for weeks. Makes me wonder if we have a spammer subscribed to the lists just to collect email addresses. Anybody else with the same problem? I've been spammed like crazy after going on Usenet on an unprotected account. By that I mean, that I had my e-mail address in the From: and Reply-to: fields. To go around this you can put a blank space (leandro @ifront.com for example). At least in the mailing lists like this one there isn't that much of a worry for spamming =) Perhaps we could have that the mail program checks the domain from where the mail is coming from, and if the domain is invalid it rejects the mail. Leandro+ ___ Leandro Asnaghi-Nicastro (LA672) Assistant to the Editor and Localization, GAMESMANIA Internet Frontier Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel: (416) 656-2659 Fax: (416) 656-0863 There was of course no way of knowing whether you were being watched at any given moment...You had to live--did live, from habit that became instinct--in the assumption that every sound you made was overheard, and, except in darkness, every movement scrutinized. --From George Orwell's 1984 ZimID 46B98555 1993/12/15 0D 6E 96 68 D6 B3 9A 96 20 ED 1F AF 11 46 13 79 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Are spammers subscibing to the lists?
On Wed, 18 Jun 1997, Leandro Asnaghi-Nicastro wrote: Seems like the incoming spam has picked up, although I haven't been on usenet for weeks. Makes me wonder if we have a spammer subscribed to the lists just to collect email addresses. Anybody else with the same problem? I've been spammed like crazy after going on Usenet on an unprotected account. By that I mean, that I had my e-mail address in the From: and Reply-to: fields. To go around this you can put a blank space (leandro @ifront.com for example). I don't like to do that. It makes it inconvenient for people to reply. Besides, name mangling (paulwadeATgreenbushDOTcom) is a form of surrender to the abusers. I use traceroute and then abuse.net to file complaints. Perhaps we could have that the mail program checks the domain from where the mail is coming from, and if the domain is invalid it rejects the mail. That gets complicated because many people are at the mercy of a technically challenged ISP. It would be great if everyone could get a static IP with DNS. Besides, anybody can subscribe to the list and never post a thing. Then they just extract addresses from the messages that pass through. A list server that requires a password somewhere in the message and removes it before remailing would be nice. Another spam generator is people using my domain names in false addresses on usenet. I would need a program that scans 19000 newsgroups for domain names in order to catch these people. They usually do this in the porno groups and the email volume is high as a result. +--+ + Paul Wade Greenbush Technologies Corporation + + mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.greenbush.com/ + +--+ + http://www.greenbush.com/cds.html Special Linux CD offer + +--+ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Are spammers subscibing to the lists?
Paul Wade wrote: Seems like the incoming spam has picked up, although I haven't been on usenet for weeks. Makes me wonder if we have a spammer subscribed to the lists just to collect email addresses. Anybody else with the same problem? Talking of spam - Have you folks ever wondered how they never want to sell anything that is worth buying? All the spam that I have got seem to belong to one of the following categories - * Make money fast (rehash of the old pyramid scheme) * Advertise your site in a gazillion search engine for pennies * Scantily clad persons are waiting for me to visit their pages. * 10,000 fresh email addresses are available for 19.95 (this should be the spam equivalent of recursion ;-) If people are going to spam me, why don't they ever sell books, s/w, h/w for cheap? Sudhakar -- Sudhakar Chandrasekharan(415) 937-2354 (O) International Web Engineer Type of Guy (415) 940-1896 (H) http://home.netscape.com/people/thaths/ smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Re: Are spammers subscibing to the lists?
I've thought the same thing. I've _never_ posted to USENET from this machine (maybe once in February!), so it has to be either someone I know or this list that's let the spammers get my name! Still, they'd only get the names of those who are brave enough to post to the list, as I understand it. John Foster On Wed, 18 Jun 1997, Paul Wade wrote: Seems like the incoming spam has picked up, although I haven't been on usenet for weeks. Makes me wonder if we have a spammer subscribed to the lists just to collect email addresses. Anybody else with the same problem? +--+ + Paul Wade Greenbush Technologies Corporation + + mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.greenbush.com/ + +--+ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Are spammers subscibing to the lists?
It looks as if someone is trolling the Debian mailing lists and spamming their subscribers. The spammer may be getting them via the news gateway. Bruce -- Bruce Perens K6BP [EMAIL PROTECTED] 510-215-3502 Finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for PGP public key. PGP fingerprint = 88 6A 15 D0 65 D4 A3 A6 1F 89 6A 76 95 24 87 B3 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Are spammers subscibing to the lists?
That gets complicated because many people are at the mercy of a technically challenged ISP. It would be great if everyone could get a static IP with DNS. OK, so I'm technically challenged! How do I put 1200 clients in 2 C class networks with static IPs? Jon Foster -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Are spammers subscibing to the lists?
OK, so I'm technically challenged! How do I put 1200 clients in 2 C class networks with static IPs? Are these all unix stations or are some of these Win95/NT if the latter of the two you can buy a product from Bay Networks that lets you use IPX for 50 stations to one IP number it seems to work OK for alot of people.. Otherwise you have to get another 2 class C's. --Matt -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Are spammers subscibing to the lists?
PW == Paul Wade [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: PW Seems like the incoming spam has picked up, although I haven't PW been on usenet for weeks. Makes me wonder if we have a spammer PW subscribed to the lists just to collect email addresses. Anybody PW else with the same problem? Here in Munich there is a debian-user to newsgroup (muc.lists.debian.user) gateway. Maybe there are some other gateways out there too. -- Emilio C. Lopes mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
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PW == Paul Wade [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: PW A list server that requires a password somewhere in the message PW and removes it before remailing would be nice. Maybe a just header. Each reader of this list had to setup it just once in their mailreaders and forget it. -- Emilio C. Lopes mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
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On Thu, 19 Jun 1997, John Foster wrote: That gets complicated because many people are at the mercy of a technically challenged ISP. It would be great if everyone could get a static IP with DNS. OK, so I'm technically challenged! How do I put 1200 clients in 2 C class networks with static IPs? That doesn't make you dumb, but it is a handicap because the national providers don't want to give the numbers to the local ISP. I have configured Linux boxes with multiport cards to assign the IP when the user is logged in. The ISP that I did it for still had a problem with his original lines (Cisco router and NT Tacacs authentication). Goes to show that Linux systems are better than those ready-made boxes. +--+ + Paul Wade Greenbush Technologies Corporation + + mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.greenbush.com/ + +--+ + http://www.greenbush.com/cds.html Special Linux CD offer + +--+ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
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On Wed, 18 Jun 1997, M BAILEY wrote: OK, so I'm technically challenged! How do I put 1200 clients in 2 C class networks with static IPs? Are these all unix stations or are some of these Win95/NT if the latter of the two you can buy a product from Bay Networks that lets you use IPX for 50 stations to one IP number it seems to work OK for alot of people.. Otherwise you have to get another 2 class C's. Ah so this is a new maening of technically challenged that I've never met before! John F. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Are spammers subscibing to the lists?
On Wed, 18 Jun 1997, Sudhakar Chandrasekharan wrote: Talking of spam - Have you folks ever wondered how they never want to sell anything that is worth buying? All the spam that I have got seem to belong to one of the following categories - * Make money fast (rehash of the old pyramid scheme) * Advertise your site in a gazillion search engine for pennies * Scantily clad persons are waiting for me to visit their pages. * 10,000 fresh email addresses are available for 19.95 (this should be the spam equivalent of recursion ;-) Dear debian users, I am looking for a way to make money fast while advertising my website in all the search engines. Hopefully, scantily clad persons are waiting to sell me thousands of email addresses. Serious replies only. Please, no spam. Seriously, I think they are fishing in the wrong place for idiots. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
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On Wed, 18 Jun 1997, Paul Wade wrote: Seriously, I think they are fishing in the wrong place for idiots. The snagg rate can be very low and still be very profitable when the cost of doing business is being paid by others. Doesn't matter how small that percentage is, given enough spam the return is sufficient to appear profitable. Later, Dwarf -- _-_-_-_-_-_- _-_-_-_-_-_-_- aka Dale Scheetz Phone: 1 (904) 656-9769 Flexible Software 11000 McCrackin Road e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tallahassee, FL 32308 _-_-_-_-_-_- If you don't see what you want, just ask _-_-_-_-_-_-_- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Are spammers subscibing to the lists?
On Wed, 18 Jun 1997, Paul Wade wrote:
Seriously, I think they are fishing in the wrong place for idiots.
The snagg rate can be very low and still be very profitable when the
cost of doing business is being paid by others. Doesn't matter how small
that percentage is, given enough spam the return is sufficient to appear
profitable.
So, how about making everybody who wants to subscribe to debian-user
sign some statement that they will never by anything from spammers, ever?
Seriously, though: Is there a way (with procmail or other) that
I can automatically forward all email with non-existant
Reply-To: addresses to /dev/null? That would probably halve the
amount of spam I get.
--
joost witteveen, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: Are spammers subscibing to the lists?
On Wed, 18 Jun 1997, Dale Scheetz wrote: On Wed, 18 Jun 1997, Paul Wade wrote: Seriously, I think they are fishing in the wrong place for idiots. The snagg rate can be very low and still be very profitable when the cost of doing business is being paid by others. Doesn't matter how small that percentage is, given enough spam the return is sufficient to appear profitable. The easiest victims are those who partied hard the day before and aren't thinking clearly. Hope you had a happy birthday, Dale! +--+ + Paul Wade Greenbush Technologies Corporation + + mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.greenbush.com/ + +--+ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Are spammers subscibing to the lists?
Seriously, though: Is there a way (with procmail or other) that I can automatically forward all email with non-existant Reply-To: addresses to /dev/null? That would probably halve the amount of spam I get. You can do two things: From Abuse.net, get all the known addresses of spammers and set them in a filter. Also, you can have your mail server do an automatic check of the domain it's receiving mail from. If the mail is from [EMAIL PROTECTED] and your mail server program detects that the domain name BOY.COM doesn't exist, it can drop the mail. The unfortunate part about this is that the error would bounce to either someone else (to bad not back to the spammer) and that people who use fake domains that actually exists (I get tons from Compuserve and AOL) will still come through. My 10-user ISP works this way, and I get no spams there at all, although I am not sure how the system works (that's how it was explained to me). I have just installed Linux myself and although I am slowly converting myself to Linux from Windows 95, I have a lot to learn. I'm used at having my bed made. It crashes once in a while, but it's always made =) Perhaps the best way to get rid of spammers is to become filthy rich, so when we receive their mail, we can do a WHOIS on the website they advertise, and then send our boys to take care of them... just a dream. True, Spamming is part of the freedom and the Internet is an anarchy, with no control, but I still feel that if Spam should not stopped because we'd be interfeering with their freedom, they are interfeering my freedom (and my wallet). Leandro+ ___ Leandro Asnaghi-Nicastro (LA672) Assistant to the Editor and Localization, GAMESMANIA Internet Frontier Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel: (416) 656-2659 Fax: (416) 656-0863 Cynic, n.: A blackguard whose faulty vision sees things as they are, not as they ought to be. Hence the custom among the Scythians of plucking out a cynic's eyes to improve his vision. -- Ambrose Bierce, The Devil's Dictionary ZimID 46B98555 1993/12/15 0D 6E 96 68 D6 B3 9A 96 20 ED 1F AF 11 46 13 79 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Are spammers subscibing to the lists?
On 18 Jun 1997, Emilio Lopes wrote: PW == Paul Wade [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: PW A list server that requires a password somewhere in the message PW and removes it before remailing would be nice. Maybe a just header. Each reader of this list had to setup it just once in their mailreaders and forget it. That's easy for pine, but some of those who need help aren't running Debian yet. They could be using Netscape, Eudora, or whatever with another OS to do mail. +--+ + Paul Wade Greenbush Technologies Corporation + + mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.greenbush.com/ + +--+ + http://www.greenbush.com/cds.html Special Linux CD offer + +--+ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: The technically challenged WAS Re: Are spammers subscibing to the lists?
On Thu, 19 Jun 1997, John Foster wrote: Ah so this is a new maening of technically challenged that I've never met before! When I originally used the term, I was referring to the ISP's who don't have DNS info for their IP's at all. If they could at least make sure that reverse lookup returns something like 'modem99.spamfactory.net' it would help. They should also let their accounts know that logs are kept and all posts and messages are traceable to the account. The people who hide behind anonymous remailers and such can be dealt with if most ISP's block all messages and traffic from those IP numbers. I do think that 'technically challenged' is appropriate for some ISP's here in Maine, USA. They don't know how to setup a nameserver or block traffic. +--+ + Paul Wade Greenbush Technologies Corporation + + mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.greenbush.com/ + +--+ + http://www.greenbush.com/cds.html Special Linux CD offer + +--+ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Are spammers subscibing to the lists?
On 18 Jun, Paul Wade wrote: Seems like the incoming spam has picked up, although I haven't been on usenet for weeks. Makes me wonder if we have a spammer subscribed to the lists just to collect email addresses. Anybody else with the same problem? I didn't have time to install a anti-spam filter yet, so look at this spam (some headers). Quite a few recipients look quite familiar. 3* Joey, Heiko and [EMAIL PROTECTED] for example. The Message-Id Header also looks strange to me. Well lets see what [EMAIL PROTECTED] thinks about this. Ciao, Martin Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED],[EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED],[EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED],[EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED],[EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED],[EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED],[EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED],[EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-Id: Mach10 1.1 fxpromo.com -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: The technically challenged WAS Re: Are spammers subscibing to the lists?
John Foster wrote: On Wed, 18 Jun 1997, M BAILEY wrote: OK, so I'm technically challenged! How do I put 1200 clients in 2 C class networks with static IPs? Are these all unix stations or are some of these Win95/NT if the latter of the two you can buy a product from Bay Networks that lets you use IPX for 50 stations to one IP number it seems to work OK for alot of people.. Otherwise you have to get another 2 class C's. I think what Bruce meant about everyone having static IPs was not Surely each ISP can get enough addresses so that each customer could be assigned a static IP thus providing a one-to-one mapping from IP address to person, then we could easily pin-down spammers from the sendmail tracks left in the email headers. but rather, Gee, wouldn't it be nice if every person had one and only one IP so we'd have a one-to-one mapping from IP address to person, then we could easily pin-down spammers from the sendmail tracks in the headers. -- Jens B. Jorgensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Are spammers subscibing to the lists?
The end of Debian. We all get rich stuffing envelopes at home and don't care about the project anymore. Do you think this is a Microsoft plot? On Wed, 18 Jun 1997 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 22:48:00 +0200 (CEST) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: Are spammers subscibing to the lists? Resent-Date: 18 Jun 1997 22:54:22 - Resent-From: debian-user@lists.debian.org Resent-cc: recipient list not shown: ; On 18 Jun, Paul Wade wrote: Seems like the incoming spam has picked up, although I haven't been on usenet for weeks. Makes me wonder if we have a spammer subscribed to the lists just to collect email addresses. Anybody else with the same problem? I didn't have time to install a anti-spam filter yet, so look at this spam (some headers). Quite a few recipients look quite familiar. 3* Joey, Heiko and [EMAIL PROTECTED] for example. The Message-Id Header also looks strange to me. Well lets see what [EMAIL PROTECTED] thinks about this. Ciao, Martin Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED],[EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED],[EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED],[EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED],[EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED],[EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED],[EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED],[EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-Id: Mach10 1.1 fxpromo.com -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . +--+ + Paul Wade Greenbush Technologies Corporation + + mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.greenbush.com/ + +--+ + http://www.greenbush.com/cds.html Special Linux CD offer + +--+ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
