Re: KNOPPIX CD to check computer's linux compatibility?
thanks for your information i am a Linux Newbie, and have a lot of troube in fixing audio drvier. so i install knoppix on my computer. and it works. but the problem is i have install a lot of dummy stuff on my computer too, i wonder if there is a kind of live debian based cd like knoppix, but rather light-weighted? in another word, the live cd will drive your audio/video system and will not install other dummy program .such as KDE thank you. On Wed, May 19, 2004 at 01:19:23AM -0400, Silvan wrote: ?On Monday 17 May 2004 08:35 pm, alex wrote: ? ? It looks like there is no shortcut to check compatibility with a ? KNOPPIX CD other than try to make all the devices work. ? ?A suggestion. Grab the DeMuDi image from AGNULA. (No URL handy, but it's ?easy to google up I'm sure.) It's a special version of Knoppix done up with ?Linux audio applications in mind. ? ?If you boot the thing, and if everything goes well, the first thing on your ?screen will be QJackCtl. That means modern, next generation audio is ?working. Video on-screen means video is working. Go into a Konsole and try ?running glxgears and you know you have 3D support (or not). If you really ?want to know more, you can find the KInfoCenter easily enough, which is a ?really handy little utility that provides the equivalent of catting around ?in /proc to look at stuff, and a very spiffy memory status display. ? ?Boom. You'd have to spend a lot longer trying to do it some other way, I'd ?think. It's not that fast to boot up far enough to get to the point where ?you can run these few commands, but you'd have to issue a *lot* of commands ?to come up with the same info you can get by just letting it do its thing. ?You'd either have to do a lot of typing, or go to the trouble to figure out ?how to do up your own hacked version of Knoppix to run your custom show me ?scripts. Or put the scripts on a floppy, maybe, if the computers still have ?floppies. ? ?Besides, think of it this way. Someone will be looking over your shoulder. ?Wouldn't you rather show them KDE, glxgears, and KInfoCenter than a bunch of ?cryptic messages on a text screen? :) ? ? But, I haven't tried the CD on a computer with integrated video ? or audio so I have no idea how that would show up during bootup. ? ?I have. It works fine. i810 video, i845 video, ac97 audio, sis900 ethernet, ?maybe some other stuff. All the usual crap hardware offenders. I haven't ?tested it *extensively*, but I've looked at enough different computers to be ?really impressed with how well it works. It even supported a USB mouse, I'm ?almost positive. (That box actually had two mice, and I'm only mostly sure I ?was using the USB one.) ? ?-- ?Michael McIntyre Silvan [EMAIL PROTECTED] ?Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621 ?http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/ ? ? ?-- ?To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ?with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] ? -- I was gratified to be able to answer promptly, and I did. I said I didn't know. -- Mark Twain -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: KNOPPIX CD to check computer's linux compatibility?
On Mon, May 17, 2004 at 08:35:17PM -0400, alex wrote: alex wrote: This is followup to my previously posted 'Integrated video and audio-OK for Linux?' What I'm looking for is a way to run quick compatibility checks with a KNOPPIX CD on display computers in computer stores, something that could be done in a matter of a few minutes per computer. I'd prefer to use terminal commands to do quick checks just to see if a computer is fully compatible with Linux. However, this doesn't exclude an Xwindows approach if there is one. Any suggestions? alex It looks like there is no shortcut to check compatibility with a KNOPPIX CD other than try to make all the devices work. I did notice that during KNOPPIX CD bootup, a 'autoconfiguring devices' display shows which devices are being recognized for presence and then listed. Perhaps this is all that is needed. But, I haven't tried the CD on a computer with integrated video or audio so I have no idea how that would show up during bootup. I saw somewhere a claim that mepis can check for compatibility before installation, but haven't looked into it, maybe it can help. Thanks all, alex -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] +++ This Mail Was Scanned By Mail-seCure System at the Tel-Aviv University CC. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: KNOPPIX CD to check computer's linux compatibility?
On Monday 17 May 2004 08:35 pm, alex wrote: It looks like there is no shortcut to check compatibility with a KNOPPIX CD other than try to make all the devices work. A suggestion. Grab the DeMuDi image from AGNULA. (No URL handy, but it's easy to google up I'm sure.) It's a special version of Knoppix done up with Linux audio applications in mind. If you boot the thing, and if everything goes well, the first thing on your screen will be QJackCtl. That means modern, next generation audio is working. Video on-screen means video is working. Go into a Konsole and try running glxgears and you know you have 3D support (or not). If you really want to know more, you can find the KInfoCenter easily enough, which is a really handy little utility that provides the equivalent of catting around in /proc to look at stuff, and a very spiffy memory status display. Boom. You'd have to spend a lot longer trying to do it some other way, I'd think. It's not that fast to boot up far enough to get to the point where you can run these few commands, but you'd have to issue a *lot* of commands to come up with the same info you can get by just letting it do its thing. You'd either have to do a lot of typing, or go to the trouble to figure out how to do up your own hacked version of Knoppix to run your custom show me scripts. Or put the scripts on a floppy, maybe, if the computers still have floppies. Besides, think of it this way. Someone will be looking over your shoulder. Wouldn't you rather show them KDE, glxgears, and KInfoCenter than a bunch of cryptic messages on a text screen? :) But, I haven't tried the CD on a computer with integrated video or audio so I have no idea how that would show up during bootup. I have. It works fine. i810 video, i845 video, ac97 audio, sis900 ethernet, maybe some other stuff. All the usual crap hardware offenders. I haven't tested it *extensively*, but I've looked at enough different computers to be really impressed with how well it works. It even supported a USB mouse, I'm almost positive. (That box actually had two mice, and I'm only mostly sure I was using the USB one.) -- Michael McIntyre Silvan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621 http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: KNOPPIX CD to check computer's linux compatibility?
Carl Fink wrote: On Sun, May 16, 2004 at 08:56:41PM -0400, alex wrote: What I'm looking for is a way to run quick compatibility checks with a KNOPPIX CD on display computers in computer stores, something that could be done in a matter of a few minutes per computer. I'd prefer to use terminal commands to do quick checks just to see if a computer is fully compatible with Linux. However, this doesn't exclude an Xwindows approach if there is one. You're going to have to boot off the CD to do the test. Once you do that, Knoppix will try to boot into its graphical environment anyway. There's no way to use a shell from it without booting. You could suppress the graphical environment, but why? Of course, I'd have to boot the CD. It's just that I'd prefer to work in terminal mode. alex -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: KNOPPIX CD to check computer's linux compatibility?
Paul Johnson wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 alex [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What I'm looking for is a way to run quick compatibility checks with a KNOPPIX CD on display computers in computer stores, something that could be done in a matter of a few minutes per computer. Why not just try Knoppix on it? Sorry for the direct reply--too hasty. It's a matter of doing it as quickly as possible because of the environment. Surely there must be way of checking compatibility without a full installation. alex - -- Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux. You can find a worse OS, but it costs more. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFAqFMIUzgNqloQMwcRArm/AJ0RFNhpccReBvD0SqaXiikUQ/bofgCgmCVL UPAKvFQR/WRkHScN0VXSgpQ= =2+n6 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: KNOPPIX CD to check computer's linux compatibility?
On Mon, 2004-05-17 at 07:58, alex wrote: Carl Fink wrote: On Sun, May 16, 2004 at 08:56:41PM -0400, alex wrote: You could suppress the graphical environment, but why? Of course, I'd have to boot the CD. It's just that I'd prefer to work in terminal mode. what is wrong with CTRL-ALT-[ F2 | F3 | F4 ] As F1 is taken up by X. That way you can have both worlds. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] REMEMBER ED CURRY! http://www.iwethey.org/ed_curry Novell's Directory Services is a competitive product to Microsoft's Active Directory in much the same way that the Saturn V is a competitive product to those dinky little model rockets that kids light off down at the playfield. -- Thane Walkup signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: KNOPPIX CD to check computer's linux compatibility?
alex wrote: What I'm looking for is a way to run quick compatibility checks with a KNOPPIX CD on display computers in computer stores, something that could be done in a matter of a few minutes per computer. There seems to be some misunderstanding about this. First, testing a computer with a KNOPPIX CD under the watchful eyes of an impatient computer store salesperson who has no knowledge of Linux whatsoever and doesn't want you to open the computer to have a looksee is not the best environment for that test. So, the test would have to be quick, whether it is done with graphics or typed commands. I prefer typing in commands but if it can be done with KDE, that would be acceptable. It might even demonstrate Linux to the watchful Linux-ignorant salesperson. I realize that the surest way to do a Linux compatibility check is to do a full installation of everything. But, how would you perform a quick check with a KNOPPIX CD under the conditions mentioned above? Specifics, please. alex -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: KNOPPIX CD to check computer's linux compatibility?
alex wrote: Paul Johnson wrote: alex [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What I'm looking for is a way to run quick compatibility checks with a KNOPPIX CD on display computers in computer stores, something that could be done in a matter of a few minutes per computer. Why not just try Knoppix on it? Sorry for the direct reply--too hasty. It's a matter of doing it as quickly as possible because of the environment. Surely there must be way of checking compatibility without a full installation. Don't worry about the environment. You're the customer. If they don't like it, go to another store. Take a reasonable approach, and explain that you just want to ensure compatibility. If they don't like it, they don't have the service standard that deserves the business. An online acquaintance in Canada took exactly this approach when he was shopping for a new laptop. He took a Knoppix disc into the shop, and ran tests on every laptop in there. When the proprietor understood what he wanted, he asked him to. A lot of customers had been making enquiries concerning linux compatibilty, and he needed to know for himself. Ralph stayed there all day, and at the end of it, he got $500.00 Canadian of a purchase of his new H.P. That's not bad for a days work. He accidentally left the disc behind, too. I wonder who is going to have a bit of a play, when the shop is quiet? Regards, David. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: KNOPPIX CD to check computer's linux compatibility?
alex wrote: I realize that the surest way to do a Linux compatibility check is to do a full installation of everything. But, how would you perform a quick check with a KNOPPIX CD under the conditions mentioned above? [ie, without getting the attention of a salesdroid] You probably will have to get the salesperson involved anyway, simply because they'll have the BIOS password protected and you won't be able to configure the unit to boot off the CD. (And booting into graphical mode will let you know if the video chipset and sound chipset works out of the box.) About the only other thing you can do is to forego Knoppix altogether and use the Device Manager in Windows to see what hardware is in the box and then checking the compatibility of that hardware, which is quite painful and prone to error. -- Kent -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: KNOPPIX CD to check computer's linux compatibility?
alex wrote: This is followup to my previously posted 'Integrated video and audio-OK for Linux?' What I'm looking for is a way to run quick compatibility checks with a KNOPPIX CD on display computers in computer stores, something that could be done in a matter of a few minutes per computer. I'd prefer to use terminal commands to do quick checks just to see if a computer is fully compatible with Linux. However, this doesn't exclude an Xwindows approach if there is one. Any suggestions? alex It looks like there is no shortcut to check compatibility with a KNOPPIX CD other than try to make all the devices work. I did notice that during KNOPPIX CD bootup, a 'autoconfiguring devices' display shows which devices are being recognized for presence and then listed. Perhaps this is all that is needed. But, I haven't tried the CD on a computer with integrated video or audio so I have no idea how that would show up during bootup. Thanks all, alex -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
KNOPPIX CD to check computer's linux compatibility?
This is followup to my previously posted 'Integrated video and audio-OK for Linux?' What I'm looking for is a way to run quick compatibility checks with a KNOPPIX CD on display computers in computer stores, something that could be done in a matter of a few minutes per computer. I'd prefer to use terminal commands to do quick checks just to see if a computer is fully compatible with Linux. However, this doesn't exclude an Xwindows approach if there is one. Any suggestions? alex -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: KNOPPIX CD to check computer's linux compatibility?
On Sun, May 16, 2004 at 08:56:41PM -0400, alex wrote: What I'm looking for is a way to run quick compatibility checks with a KNOPPIX CD on display computers in computer stores, something that could be done in a matter of a few minutes per computer. I'd prefer to use terminal commands to do quick checks just to see if a computer is fully compatible with Linux. However, this doesn't exclude an Xwindows approach if there is one. You're going to have to boot off the CD to do the test. Once you do that, Knoppix will try to boot into its graphical environment anyway. There's no way to use a shell from it without booting. You could suppress the graphical environment, but why? -- Carl Fink [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jabootu's Minister of Proofreading http://www.jabootu.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: KNOPPIX CD to check computer's linux compatibility?
On 16 May 2004, you wrote in linux.debian.user: You're going to have to boot off the CD to do the test. Once you do that, Knoppix will try to boot into its graphical environment anyway. There's no way to use a shell from it without booting. Sure you can. Just give the command knoppix 2 at the boot prompt and knoppix will not start X. You can also boot into a 2.6.x kernel this way (the default is 2.4.x). You could suppress the graphical environment, but why? Faster boot times. -Dan -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cutthatout.com Seattle, WA USA I can't spell and I don't care. Fight back against worms and blackhats - http://www.mynetwatchman.com SPAM bait: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: KNOPPIX CD to check computer's linux compatibility?
On Sun, May 16, 2004 at 08:20:44PM -0700, Dan Lawrence wrote: On 16 May 2004, you wrote in linux.debian.user: You're going to have to boot off the CD to do the test. Once you do that, Knoppix will try to boot into its graphical environment anyway. There's no way to use a shell from it without booting. Sure you can. Just give the command knoppix 2 at the boot prompt and knoppix will not start X. You can also boot into a 2.6.x kernel this way (the default is 2.4.x). Um, that would be booting. I didn't say you couldn't boot to a shell, I said you had to reboot the computer in Knoppix to use the Knoppix shell commands. You could suppress the graphical environment, but why? ... and this quote indicates that I knew perfectly well you could not start X, making your response very puzzling. My point was that, if one is testing a computer to see if it supports Linux, one might want a comprehensive test such as is produced by a full Knoppix boot. -- Carl Fink [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jabootu's Minister of Proofreading http://www.jabootu.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: KNOPPIX CD to check computer's linux compatibility?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 alex [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What I'm looking for is a way to run quick compatibility checks with a KNOPPIX CD on display computers in computer stores, something that could be done in a matter of a few minutes per computer. Why not just try Knoppix on it? - -- Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux. You can find a worse OS, but it costs more. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFAqFMIUzgNqloQMwcRArm/AJ0RFNhpccReBvD0SqaXiikUQ/bofgCgmCVL UPAKvFQR/WRkHScN0VXSgpQ= =2+n6 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: KNOPPIX CD to check computer's linux compatibility?
on Sun, May 16, 2004 at 08:56:41PM -0400, alex ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: This is followup to my previously posted 'Integrated video and audio-OK for Linux?' What I'm looking for is a way to run quick compatibility checks with a KNOPPIX CD on display computers in computer stores, something that could be done in a matter of a few minutes per computer. I'd prefer to use terminal commands to do quick checks just to see if a computer is fully compatible with Linux. However, this doesn't exclude an Xwindows approach if there is one. Any suggestions? http://twiki.iwethey.org/Main/LinuxSystemInfoScript A system-info script which will grab settings. In addition to its output (sample linked below), you'll want to grab /etc/X11/XF86Config-4. http://twiki.iwethey.org/twiki/pub/Main/LinuxSystemInfoScript/system-info-ego.txt Peace. -- Karsten M. Self [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://kmself.home.netcom.com/ What Part of Gestalt don't you understand? Rules of Spam: #3: Spammers are stupid. signature.asc Description: Digital signature
