Re: OT - Dilbert on the ethics of e-mail etiquette
Ron Johnson wrote in Article [EMAIL PROTECTED] posted to gmane.linux.debian.user: But you're using Google Groups, and Paul is axing about Google Mail. Not that they're much better. GG is such a massive usenet spew source that many sites won't carry them at all. The post you replied to never propagated to my feed of gmane. -- Paul Johnson Email and IM (XMPP Google Talk): [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT - Dilbert on the ethics of e-mail etiquette
Am 2007-05-09 09:50:30, schrieb Andrew Sackville-West: On Wed, May 09, 2007 at 01:17:43PM +0200, Florian Kulzer wrote: On Mon, May 07, 2007 at 14:52:28 -0700, Andrew Sackville-West wrote: :0 * ^.*debianhelp.org /dev/null is approved!!! It may be better to use * ^Message-Id:.*debianhelp.org otherwise there might be some collateral damage: Since debianhelp.org puts this string into their (long and ugly) message IDs it tends to propagate into other people's mail headers via the In-Reply-To and References fields. I'm not sure that's a bad thing. as disjointed as the threads with the debianhelp stuff already in there, they'd be even more so with it removed, but the messages that follow still intact. I suppose a killfile would be the way to go instead of using /dev/null. Then the whole sub-thread would disappear. Why not: 8-- :0 * ^Message-ID:.*debianhelp.org /dev/null :0fw * ^References:.*debianhelp.org |sed 's/debianhelp.\org/xx.xxx/g' 8-- which will kill all messages coming from debianhelp.org and then remove the reference to debianhelp.org from other messages without breaking threads... Thanks, Greetings and nice Day Michelle Konzack Systemadministrator Tamay Dogan Network Debian GNU/Linux Consultant -- Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/ # Debian GNU/Linux Consultant # Michelle Konzack Apt. 917 ICQ #328449886 50, rue de Soultz MSN LinuxMichi 0033/6/6192519367100 Strasbourg/France IRC #Debian (irc.icq.com) signature.pgp Description: Digital signature
Re: OT - Dilbert on the ethics of e-mail etiquette
On May 16, 10:30 am, Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 05/16/07 03:15, Atis wrote: [snip] Proper MUAs auto-snip everything under the -- . (Web gmail is *not* a proper MUA.) If you miss it, why don't you request for it. I don't use gmail, so don't have any standing with Them. So far, all my feature requests have been implemented. You have standing, though, so it would be nice if you made the request... :) Such a request is really not necessary. Instead of using the gmail interface to post to a group, use the Google groups interface (which I am using right now). You use your gmail login, but you have a much better interface to the newsgroup. It defaults to bottom posting, doesn't munge the subject, tracks your postings, and automatically keeps you in the right context. Up until a few days ago, I was reading the digest via email, and that sucked. Then I needed to post, and switched over to groups interface. Wow, night and day. Like they say, right tool for the right job... -Ped -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT - Dilbert on the ethics of e-mail etiquette
Ron Johnson wrote in Article [EMAIL PROTECTED] posted to gmane.linux.debian.user: Proper MUAs auto-snip everything under the -- . (Web gmail is *not* a proper MUA.) Do they support threads yet? Reply-to-list? -- Paul Johnson Email and IM (XMPP Google Talk): [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT - Dilbert on the ethics of e-mail etiquette
Chris Bannister wrote in Article [EMAIL PROTECTED] posted to gmane.linux.debian.user: On Thu, May 10, 2007 at 09:46:21AM -0400, Manaen Schlabach wrote: Their MS outlook defaults to top posting...therefore it must be ok. Microsoft said so =_) It could be argued that it defaults to putting the cursor at the top so to enable easy snipping of unnecessary text. If it defaulted to bottom posting then even less snipping would occur. :-( There's a little more to Schlabach's statement than you seem to have an understanding of: Outlook throws on a five-line forward-style header and does not indent by default, making replies in OE very hard to make look like anything other than a forwarded email. IMHO top posting is preferable to bottom posting without snipping. But that makes it even harder for the next person to fix the problem on their reply. Top posting just compounds the problem in any situtaion. -- Paul Johnson Email and IM (XMPP Google Talk): [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT - Dilbert on the ethics of e-mail etiquette
On May 17, 2:10 pm, Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ron Johnson wrote in Article [EMAIL PROTECTED] posted to gmane.linux.debian.user: Proper MUAs auto-snip everything under the -- . (Web gmail is *not* a proper MUA.) Do they support threads yet? Reply-to-list? Threads, yes (but they call them topics), if you mean that you can view the thread. The whole thread shows up post-for-post with the opportunity to reply to any post. Reply-to-list, I'm not totally sure what you mean. When I reply, it automatically replies to the list, not the individual (unless I click on reply to author). Hopefully there is nothing wrong with this post, I just clicked on reply, snipped your sig , wrote and sent. Unless you meant something else. As far as I can tell, it conforms to the norms of newsgroup posting, and has many of the nicities that you would expect from a newsgroup reader. -Ped P.S. Looking at this thread, it looks like I have inadvertently joined a long and venerable OT thread. I am not worthy! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT - Dilbert on the ethics of e-mail etiquette
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 05/17/07 18:58, pedxing wrote: On May 17, 2:10 pm, Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ron Johnson wrote in Article [EMAIL PROTECTED] posted to gmane.linux.debian.user: Proper MUAs auto-snip everything under the -- . (Web gmail is *not* a proper MUA.) Do they support threads yet? Reply-to-list? Threads, yes (but they call them topics), if you mean that you can view the thread. The whole thread shows up post-for-post with the opportunity to reply to any post. Reply-to-list, I'm not totally sure what you mean. When I reply, it automatically replies to the list, not the individual (unless I click on reply to author). Hopefully there is nothing wrong with this post, I just clicked on reply, snipped your sig , wrote and sent. Unless you meant something else. As far as I can tell, it conforms to the norms of newsgroup posting, and has many of the nicities that you would expect from a newsgroup reader. -Ped P.S. Looking at this thread, it looks like I have inadvertently joined a long and venerable OT thread. I am not worthy! But you're using Google Groups, and Paul is axing about Google Mail. - -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA Give a man a fish, and he eats for a day. Hit him with a fish, and he goes away for good! -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFGTQl3S9HxQb37XmcRAmDgAKDupvTxTywYv25aQ2Fv6OLutLrFRwCgi9SB msjnWmrIL5I5o1ZhupjeXjk= =z6OR -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT - Dilbert on the ethics of e-mail etiquette
On Wed, May 16, 2007 at 05:36:57PM +1200, Chris Bannister wrote: It could be argued that it defaults to putting the cursor at the top so to enable easy snipping of unnecessary text. If it defaulted to bottom posting then even less snipping would occur. :-( No, in the default setup it is very difficult to snip anything. IMHO top posting is preferable to bottom posting without snipping. Preferable? No. Both are bad, but in different ways. Regards, Andrei -- If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough. (Albert Einstein) signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: OT - Dilbert on the ethics of e-mail etiquette
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 05/16/07 00:36, Chris Bannister wrote: On Thu, May 10, 2007 at 09:46:21AM -0400, Manaen Schlabach wrote: On 5/10/07, Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rick Thomas wrote in Article [EMAIL PROTECTED] posted to gmane.linux.debian.user: http://www.dilbert.com/comics/dilbert/archive/dilbert-20070507.html Almost as bad is when people top post their replies. Did these people utterly fail in grade school, or are they deliberately ignoring the flow of language? [snipped stuff which should have been snipped by previous poster] Their MS outlook defaults to top posting...therefore it must be ok. Microsoft said so =_) It could be argued that it defaults to putting the cursor at the top so to enable easy snipping of unnecessary text. If it defaulted to bottom posting then even less snipping would occur. :-( IMHO top posting is preferable to bottom posting without snipping. Also it is preferable to snip the sig and any disclaimers etc. Proper MUAs auto-snip everything under the -- . (Web gmail is *not* a proper MUA.) - -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA Give a man a fish, and he eats for a day. Hit him with a fish, and he goes away for good! -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFGSrxiS9HxQb37XmcRAvLZAJkBvfEOjnWi4fxjplAJqMy321TI/QCgt7eR o9dI2nHlLx3f0zeVtv5PgmM= =h8tN -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT - Dilbert on the ethics of e-mail etiquette
[snip] Proper MUAs auto-snip everything under the -- . (Web gmail is *not* a proper MUA.) If you miss it, why don't you request for it. So far, all my feature requests have been implemented. Regards, Atis -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT - Dilbert on the ethics of e-mail etiquette
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 05/16/07 03:15, Atis wrote: [snip] Proper MUAs auto-snip everything under the -- . (Web gmail is *not* a proper MUA.) If you miss it, why don't you request for it. I don't use gmail, so don't have any standing with Them. So far, all my feature requests have been implemented. You have standing, though, so it would be nice if you made the request... :) - -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA Give a man a fish, and he eats for a day. Hit him with a fish, and he goes away for good! -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFGSr85S9HxQb37XmcRAqDaAJ44p9o5iJbFjsZGJPFeEpnl4Ji4JgCfbfMB DQaHqims9T3DeanDaRJq9Rw= =irSS -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT - Dilbert on the ethics of e-mail etiquette
On Wed, May 16, 2007 at 03:10:10AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: Also it is preferable to snip the sig and any disclaimers etc. Proper MUAs auto-snip everything under the -- . Interesting, I don't find this option in mutt (though I bet vim could do this). But I couldn't use it anyway as I am subscribed to a *LUG* mailinglist where I often see some very bad postings: beneath the sig without for the quote and without any space between the old sig and the new text. Sometimes you have to look twice to actualy find the answer. Regards, Andrei -- If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough. (Albert Einstein) signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: OT - Dilbert on the ethics of e-mail etiquette
Ron Johnson wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 05/16/07 00:36, Chris Bannister wrote: On Thu, May 10, 2007 at 09:46:21AM -0400, Manaen Schlabach wrote: On 5/10/07, Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rick Thomas wrote in Article [EMAIL PROTECTED] posted to gmane.linux.debian.user: http://www.dilbert.com/comics/dilbert/archive/dilbert-20070507.html Almost as bad is when people top post their replies. Did these people utterly fail in grade school, or are they deliberately ignoring the flow of language? [snipped stuff which should have been snipped by previous poster] Their MS outlook defaults to top posting...therefore it must be ok. Microsoft said so =_) It could be argued that it defaults to putting the cursor at the top so to enable easy snipping of unnecessary text. If it defaulted to bottom posting then even less snipping would occur. :-( IMHO top posting is preferable to bottom posting without snipping. Also it is preferable to snip the sig and any disclaimers etc. Proper MUAs auto-snip everything under the -- . (Web gmail is *not* a proper MUA.) - -- Dang it. Another improper tool :-( Hugo -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT - Dilbert on the ethics of e-mail etiquette
On Thu, May 10, 2007 at 09:46:21AM -0400, Manaen Schlabach wrote: On 5/10/07, Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rick Thomas wrote in Article [EMAIL PROTECTED] posted to gmane.linux.debian.user: http://www.dilbert.com/comics/dilbert/archive/dilbert-20070507.html Almost as bad is when people top post their replies. Did these people utterly fail in grade school, or are they deliberately ignoring the flow of language? [snipped stuff which should have been snipped by previous poster] Their MS outlook defaults to top posting...therefore it must be ok. Microsoft said so =_) It could be argued that it defaults to putting the cursor at the top so to enable easy snipping of unnecessary text. If it defaulted to bottom posting then even less snipping would occur. :-( IMHO top posting is preferable to bottom posting without snipping. Also it is preferable to snip the sig and any disclaimers etc. -- Chris. == -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT - Dilbert on the ethics of e-mail etiquette
Rick Thomas wrote in Article [EMAIL PROTECTED] posted to gmane.linux.debian.user: http://www.dilbert.com/comics/dilbert/archive/dilbert-20070507.html Almost as bad is when people top post their replies. Did these people utterly fail in grade school, or are they deliberately ignoring the flow of language? -- Paul Johnson Email and IM (XMPP Google Talk): [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT - Dilbert on the ethics of e-mail etiquette
On 5/10/07, Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rick Thomas wrote in Article [EMAIL PROTECTED] posted to gmane.linux.debian.user: http://www.dilbert.com/comics/dilbert/archive/dilbert-20070507.html Almost as bad is when people top post their replies. Did these people utterly fail in grade school, or are they deliberately ignoring the flow of language? -- Paul Johnson Email and IM (XMPP Google Talk): [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] Their MS outlook defaults to top posting...therefore it must be ok. Microsoft said so =_) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT - Dilbert on the ethics of e-mail etiquette
On Thu, 2007-05-10 at 09:46 -0400, Manaen Schlabach wrote: On 5/10/07, Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Almost as bad is when people top post their replies. Did these people utterly fail in grade school, or are they deliberately ignoring the flow of language? Their MS outlook defaults to top posting...therefore it must be ok. Microsoft said so =_) Firsts in top posting, that I know of: The first M$ program was MS-MAIL. The first I know about was SYSM. Anyone else care to comment? -- greg, [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP key: 1024D/B524687C 2003-08-05 Fingerprint: E1D3 E3D7 5850 957E FED0 2B3A ED66 6971 B524 687C Alternate Fingerprint: 09F9 1102 9D74 E35B D841 56C5 6356 88C0 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: OT - Dilbert on the ethics of e-mail etiquette
* Greg Folkert [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2007 May 10 12:00 -0500]: On Thu, 2007-05-10 at 09:46 -0400, Manaen Schlabach wrote: On 5/10/07, Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Almost as bad is when people top post their replies. Did these people utterly fail in grade school, or are they deliberately ignoring the flow of language? Their MS outlook defaults to top posting...therefore it must be ok. Microsoft said so =_) Firsts in top posting, that I know of: The first M$ program was MS-MAIL. The first I know about was SYSM. Anyone else care to comment? $DIETY help you if you ever decide to format an email correctly in Lotus Notes. It is fiercely top post oriented. I so enjoy scrolling up and down to read a multiple forwarded and replied to mail in context. - Nate -- Wireless | Amateur Radio Station N0NB | Successfully Microsoft Amateur radio exams; ham radio; Linux info @ | free since January 1998. http://www.qsl.net/n0nb/ | Debian, the choice of My Kawasaki KZ-650 SR @| a GNU generation! http://www.networksplus.net/n0nb/ | http://www.debian.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT - Dilbert on the ethics of e-mail etiquette
On Mon, May 07, 2007 at 14:52:28 -0700, Andrew Sackville-West wrote: On Mon, May 07, 2007 at 09:55:19PM +0200, Florian Kulzer wrote: On Mon, May 07, 2007 at 15:28:14 -0400, Rick Thomas wrote: http://www.dilbert.com/comics/dilbert/archive/dilbert-20070507.html You could have made this even funnier if you had posted it using a debianhelp.org account ;) LMAO. thanks! oh and that means :0 * ^.*debianhelp.org /dev/null is approved!!! It may be better to use * ^Message-Id:.*debianhelp.org otherwise there might be some collateral damage: Since debianhelp.org puts this string into their (long and ugly) message IDs it tends to propagate into other people's mail headers via the In-Reply-To and References fields. I only know this by pure coincidence; a friend of mine has recently started experimenting with banning debianhelp.org from his inbox... -- Regards,| http://users.icfo.es/Florian.Kulzer Florian | -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT - Dilbert on the ethics of e-mail etiquette
On Wed, May 09, 2007 at 01:17:43PM +0200, Florian Kulzer wrote: On Mon, May 07, 2007 at 14:52:28 -0700, Andrew Sackville-West wrote: On Mon, May 07, 2007 at 09:55:19PM +0200, Florian Kulzer wrote: On Mon, May 07, 2007 at 15:28:14 -0400, Rick Thomas wrote: http://www.dilbert.com/comics/dilbert/archive/dilbert-20070507.html You could have made this even funnier if you had posted it using a debianhelp.org account ;) LMAO. thanks! oh and that means :0 * ^.*debianhelp.org /dev/null is approved!!! It may be better to use * ^Message-Id:.*debianhelp.org otherwise there might be some collateral damage: Since debianhelp.org puts this string into their (long and ugly) message IDs it tends to propagate into other people's mail headers via the In-Reply-To and References fields. I'm not sure that's a bad thing. as disjointed as the threads with the debianhelp stuff already in there, they'd be even more so with it removed, but the messages that follow still intact. I suppose a killfile would be the way to go instead of using /dev/null. Then the whole sub-thread would disappear. Despite my many posts about this, I still have some reservations though. I am reluctant to be so draconian. I view it as a personal flaw. A signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: OT - Dilbert on the ethics of e-mail etiquette
On Mon, May 07, 2007 at 16:55:14 -0400, Rick Thomas wrote: On May 7, 2007, at 3:55 PM, Florian Kulzer wrote: On Mon, May 07, 2007 at 15:28:14 -0400, Rick Thomas wrote: http://www.dilbert.com/comics/dilbert/archive/dilbert-20070507.html You could have made this even funnier if you had posted it using a debianhelp.org account ;) What makes you think I thought it was funny? (: Does that mean you work with (or for) people who use email like that? In that case, let me offer my heartfelt condolences. It was definitely not my intention to make light of your misery. :( -- Regards,| http://users.icfo.es/Florian.Kulzer Florian | -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT - Dilbert on the ethics of e-mail etiquette
Rick Thomas wrote: http://www.dilbert.com/comics/dilbert/archive/dilbert-20070507.html What you do to those people is add an X-Message header to your reply telling them they have a virus called Microsoft Outlook. Or do the two-spaces-then-START thing or whatever it is that makes Outlook think there's an attachment. -- Andrew J. Barr (614) 581-3537 (Verizon Wireless) When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying the cross. -- Sinclair Lewis, 1935 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT - Dilbert on the ethics of e-mail etiquette
On Mon, May 07, 2007 at 15:28:14 -0400, Rick Thomas wrote: http://www.dilbert.com/comics/dilbert/archive/dilbert-20070507.html You could have made this even funnier if you had posted it using a debianhelp.org account ;) -- Regards,| http://users.icfo.es/Florian.Kulzer Florian | -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT - Dilbert on the ethics of e-mail etiquette
On May 7, 2007, at 3:55 PM, Florian Kulzer wrote: On Mon, May 07, 2007 at 15:28:14 -0400, Rick Thomas wrote: http://www.dilbert.com/comics/dilbert/archive/dilbert-20070507.html You could have made this even funnier if you had posted it using a debianhelp.org account ;) What makes you think I thought it was funny? (: -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT - Dilbert on the ethics of e-mail etiquette
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 05/07/07 14:55, Florian Kulzer wrote: On Mon, May 07, 2007 at 15:28:14 -0400, Rick Thomas wrote: http://www.dilbert.com/comics/dilbert/archive/dilbert-20070507.html You could have made this even funnier if you had posted it using a debianhelp.org account ;) And funnier still if you had snipped out all of the OP. - -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA Give a man a fish, and he eats for a day. Hit him with a fish, and he goes away for good! -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFGP5wzS9HxQb37XmcRAtlVAKCh1LW5Gd8o5z5lpnV+f6pGzPts+ACg6etA EV6Q6TU8BgeVmXsXvoCzRHc= =f1Z8 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT - Dilbert on the ethics of e-mail etiquette
On Mon, May 07, 2007 at 09:55:19PM +0200, Florian Kulzer wrote: On Mon, May 07, 2007 at 15:28:14 -0400, Rick Thomas wrote: http://www.dilbert.com/comics/dilbert/archive/dilbert-20070507.html You could have made this even funnier if you had posted it using a debianhelp.org account ;) LMAO. thanks! oh and that means :0 * ^.*debianhelp.org /dev/null is approved!!! A signature.asc Description: Digital signature