Re: failing to unsubscribe

2003-03-14 Thread Bob Proulx
martin f krafft wrote:
 an update:

Thank you for the update.  I found it useful.

 with excellent MLMs like sympa and Mailman, ...

I am the mailing list manager for several gnu.org lists running
mailman.  Mailman has a severe set of bugs of its own.  I would not
recommend it at this time.  Let's not jump from the frying pan into
the fire.

Ecartis anyone?  I have not tried it and so the bugs there that I
don't know about must be better than the ones I do know about.  :-)

Bob


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Re: failing to unsubscribe

2003-03-13 Thread martin f krafft
an update:

i am subscribed with addresses that involve the extension character
plus (+) like, e.g. so:

  [EMAIL PROTECTED]

when i sent messages to the unsubscription system with that address,
not even a confirmation would come back. not until i sent a subject
line like this:

  Subject: unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED]

(note the escaped plus)

since the plus is perfectly valid and widely used on mailing lists,
this is a bug, right?

now i am at least receiving confirmation messages. sending them back
still doesn't do jack. i now invalidated the subscribed users,
sending SMTP 550 bounces back each time. maybe the list
administrators could work toward a properly working list system.
with excellent MLMs like sympa and Mailman, i don't understand how
an organisation like debian can employ a mailing list system that
just doesn't work as expected.

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failing to unsubscribe

2003-03-12 Thread martin f krafft
i never had problems with this before even though i noticed a million
people complaining. i would like to unsubscribe from a debian-curiosa.
i know for a fact that i am subscribed to debian-curiosa as
[EMAIL PROTECTED] thus i do:

  /usr/sbin/sendmail [EMAIL PROTECTED]  EOM
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: unsubscribe
  EOM

and I get back:

  It has been requested that the following address:
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  should be deleted from the debian-news mailing list.
  Sorry, but this address has NOT been found on the list.

yet I receive debian-curiosa at exactly that address.

Are the list servers just plain broken or just in a bad mood?

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Re: failing to unsubscribe

2003-03-12 Thread Hall Stevenson
* martin f krafft ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [030312 20:20]:
 i never had problems with this before even though i noticed a million
 people complaining. i would like to unsubscribe from a debian-curiosa.
 i know for a fact that i am subscribed to debian-curiosa as
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] thus i do:
 
   /usr/sbin/sendmail [EMAIL PROTECTED]  EOM
   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Subject: unsubscribe
   EOM
 
 and I get back:
 
   It has been requested that the following address:
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   should be deleted from the debian-news mailing list.
   Sorry, but this address has NOT been found on the list.
 
 yet I receive debian-curiosa at exactly that address.
 
 Are the list servers just plain broken or just in a bad mood?

Let's see how many people ridicule *you* and accuse you of not knowing
how to follow simple directions and so on... :-) You know, they do it to
non-contributors or people who've been overwhelmed by the volume.


Hall


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Re: failing to unsubscribe

2003-03-12 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Thu, Mar 13, 2003 at 01:56:01AM +0100, martin f krafft wrote:
 i never had problems with this before even though i noticed a million
 people complaining. i would like to unsubscribe from a debian-curiosa.
 i know for a fact that i am subscribed to debian-curiosa as
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] thus i do:
 
   /usr/sbin/sendmail [EMAIL PROTECTED]  EOM
   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Subject: unsubscribe
   EOM
 
 and I get back:
 
   It has been requested that the following address:
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   should be deleted from the debian-news mailing list.
   Sorry, but this address has NOT been found on the list.
 
 yet I receive debian-curiosa at exactly that address.
 
 Are the list servers just plain broken or just in a bad mood?

Sometimes things are a bit spooky.  I'm not sure exactly what's wrong
but I assume that unsubscribe requests are processed using some form
of regex which doesn't always work.  For instance, a few months ago I
was subscribed as [EMAIL PROTECTED].  I subscribed to all the
debian lists I frequent as [EMAIL PROTECTED] and then sent
unsubscribe requests for [EMAIL PROTECTED].  Imagine my surprise
when [EMAIL PROTECTED] was unsubscribed instead 9and no, I didn't
send the requests from my incanus.net account).

Good luck!

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  A: A symphony is a very complex musical form, perhaps you should begin with
 some simple lieder and work your way up to a symphony.
  Q: But Herr Mozart, you were writing symphonies when you were 8 years old.
  A: But I never asked anybody how.


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