[Declude.Virus] FORGE question.

2003-04-03 Thread paul
Hey gang, I was curious about something.

We have gotten an e-mail to our abuse account at least 3 times stating we're
sending him spam/infected mail. This is the bottom header line of what he
sees.

Received: from Satumqc ([63.160.179.245]) by out016.verizon.net
   (InterMail vM.5.01.05.27 201-253-122-126-127-20021220) with SMTP
   id [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   for user; Wed, 2 Apr 2003 19:35:37 -0600

Now that IP shown IS ours, but the brackets tell me it's fake. Besides our
mailserver is obviously not verizon. Comments / suggestions? This guys
starting to tick me off.

Paul


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Re: [Declude.Virus] FORGE question.

2003-04-03 Thread R. Scott Perry

Received: from Satumqc ([63.160.179.245]) by out016.verizon.net
   (InterMail vM.5.01.05.27 201-253-122-126-127-20021220) with SMTP
   id [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   for user; Wed, 2 Apr 2003 19:35:37 -0600
Now that IP shown IS ours, but the brackets tell me it's fake. Besides our
mailserver is obviously not verizon. Comments / suggestions? This guys
starting to tick me off.
Actually, the bracket doesn't mean it is fake.  The bracket just indicates 
an IP address.  This header means that the mailserver claims to be called 
out016.verizon.net, and that it received the E-mail from a mailserver (or 
mail client) claiming to be Saturmqc, from the IP 63.160.179.245.

Most likely, this E-mail *did* originate from 63.160.179.245.  The only way 
to be sure is to have verizon.net confirm it, but they are very unlikely to 
do that, given the volume of viruses that are transmitted via their 
mailservers.
   -Scott

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Re: [Declude.Virus] FORGE question.

2003-04-03 Thread paul
 Actually, the bracket doesn't mean it is fake.  The bracket just indicates
 an IP address.  This header means that the mailserver claims to be called
 out016.verizon.net, and that it received the E-mail from a mailserver (or
 mail client) claiming to be Saturmqc, from the IP 63.160.179.245.

Ok, I figured fake since it was a KLEZ sent mail message..

  Most likely, this E-mail *did* originate from 63.160.179.245.  The only
way
 to be sure is to have verizon.net confirm it, but they are very unlikely
to
 do that, given the volume of viruses that are transmitted via their
 mailservers.

Hmmm, that's really odd. When someone logs onto our system and is assigned
an an IP, and this particular one was not in us at the time of this
least not issued by us...

Thanks Scott. Any other ideas?

Paul


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Re: [Declude.Virus] FORGE question.

2003-04-03 Thread R. Scott Perry

 Actually, the bracket doesn't mean it is fake.  The bracket just indicates
 an IP address.  This header means that the mailserver claims to be called
 out016.verizon.net, and that it received the E-mail from a mailserver (or
 mail client) claiming to be Saturmqc, from the IP 63.160.179.245.
Ok, I figured fake since it was a KLEZ sent mail message..
It's (virtually) impossible for a virus, spammer, or hacker to forge an IP 
address.  What they *can* forge, very easily, is Received: headers.

In this case, Klez will often use *.verizon.net mailservers to spread 
(apparently, they are open relays).  So the Received: header was almost 
certainly added by Verizon, which would mean that the virus could not forge it.

  Most likely, this E-mail *did* originate from 63.160.179.245.  The 
only way
 to be sure is to have verizon.net confirm it, but they are very unlikely to
 do that, given the volume of viruses that are transmitted via their
 mailservers.

Hmmm, that's really odd. When someone logs onto our system and is assigned
an an IP, and this particular one was not in us at the time of this
least not issued by us...
Have you double-checked and triple-checked?
 -Scott
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