Re: shared-mime-info minimum version update
Le jeudi 21 juin 2007 à 11:05 -0400, Matthias Clasen a écrit : > On 6/21/07, Luca Ferretti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > The shared-mime-info product itself is not translatable[1] 'cause you > > are not using launchpad to manage it. > > Thats nonsense. Why? It's saying that you can't translate shared-mime-info there because upstream is not using launchpad, which is true. Sebastien Bacher ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
Re: shared-mime-info minimum version update
On Thu, 2007-06-21 at 11:05 -0400, Matthias Clasen wrote: > On 6/21/07, Luca Ferretti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > The shared-mime-info product itself is not translatable[1] 'cause you > > are not using launchpad to manage it. > > Thats nonsense. If Ubuntu are not feeding their translations back > upstream, they are effectively forking the project, for translation > purposes. Saying "if everybody came to use our closed-source > collaboration tool the world would be a better place" is not a valid > excuse. The issue is not so black and white as that (per my understanding). There are sync issues that block the translations coming upstream. It is up to translators to get translations upstream. It would be fantastic if Launchpad had an easy way for GNOME to pickup translations when we want. PS. I am not on the Launchpad translation team, but I do hack on Launchpad Answers. Ubuntu *does* want it's translations going back to GNOME, our favorite desktop. -- __C U R T I S C. H O V E Y___ Guilty of stealing everything I am. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
Re: shared-mime-info minimum version update
On 6/21/07, Luca Ferretti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The shared-mime-info product itself is not translatable[1] 'cause you > are not using launchpad to manage it. Thats nonsense. If Ubuntu are not feeding their translations back upstream, they are effectively forking the project, for translation purposes. Saying "if everybody came to use our closed-source collaboration tool the world would be a better place" is not a valid excuse. ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
Re: shared-mime-info minimum version update
Il giorno gio, 21/06/2007 alle 14.16 +0100, Bastien Nocera ha scritto: > On Tue, 2007-06-12 at 14:42 +0200, Luca Ferretti wrote: > > Il giorno mar, 12/06/2007 alle 10.14 +0100, Bastien Nocera ha scritto: > > > On Tue, 2007-06-12 at 09:25 +0200, Luca Ferretti wrote: > > > I have no idea how to interact with TP, > > > > http://www.iro.umontreal.ca/translation/HTML/maintainers.html Translation Project Robot should automatically send PO files to maintainers after the syntax check (for example, the Italian translation for shared-mime-info I sent -using my other address- this morning was accepted by Robot, and should be bounced to you). > > > and people have been sending > > > updated translations directly to me, to the list, or committing > > > themselves if they have access. > > > > There is also Launchpad.net from Canonical/Ubuntu to manage > > translations, see https://translations.launchpad.net/+about and > > https://help.launchpad.net/FeatureHighlights/SoftwareTranslation > > > > Just a note: the FAQ[1] says Launchpad translations are under BSD > > licence, the TermOfUse page says that submitted translations are under > > the same licence as the software. > > And why aren't those translations getting back upstream, where they > belong? The shared-mime-info product itself is not translatable[1] 'cause you are not using launchpad to manage it. The Ubuntu package (maybe with patched/added/changed strings), instead, is translatable[2], but only for Ubuntu releases, not for upstream. You can browse and download them at [3], but manually. PS yes, sometimes launchpad it's a mess. And note that often anyone can translate: this is good, but sometimes very bad (imagine anyone could add patches... brrr..) PPS you could also set up a custom Web2.0-style translation system. See aNobii[4] :-) [1] https://translations.launchpad.net/shared-mime-info/ [2] https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy/+source/shared-mime-info/ [3] https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy/+source/shared-mime-info/+pots/shared-mime-info [4] http://www.anobii.com/anobi/anobii_translate.php ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
Re: shared-mime-info minimum version update
On Tue, 2007-06-12 at 14:42 +0200, Luca Ferretti wrote: > Il giorno mar, 12/06/2007 alle 10.14 +0100, Bastien Nocera ha scritto: > > On Tue, 2007-06-12 at 09:25 +0200, Luca Ferretti wrote: > > > > > Bastien (you are maintainer, aren't you?), please note that the latest > > > translation template officially sent to Transation Project was the > > > 0.17!! See [1] > > > > > > IMHO is better send new template to TP, wait for updated translations, > > > relase 0.22 with those and make GNOME depend on it (as recommended > > > version, of course) > > > > > > PS maybe fd.o should switch to a custom and automated translation > > > framework: fd.o stuff's translations (HAL, gst*, shared-mime-info...) > > > are always outdated. > > > > > > [1] > > > http://www.iro.umontreal.ca/translation/registry.cgi?domain=shared-mime-info > > > > Chris Neumair and Christophe Fergeau are the official maintainers. I'm a > > bug and release monkey :) > > You are still in MAINTAINER file, while it's 2 years old and not > included in EXTRA_DIST ;-) Bleh. No idea who did that :) > > I have no idea how to interact with TP, > > http://www.iro.umontreal.ca/translation/HTML/maintainers.html > > > and people have been sending > > updated translations directly to me, to the list, or committing > > themselves if they have access. > > There is also Launchpad.net from Canonical/Ubuntu to manage > translations, see https://translations.launchpad.net/+about and > https://help.launchpad.net/FeatureHighlights/SoftwareTranslation > > Just a note: the FAQ[1] says Launchpad translations are under BSD > licence, the TermOfUse page says that submitted translations are under > the same licence as the software. And why aren't those translations getting back upstream, where they belong? -- Bastien Nocera <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
Re: shared-mime-info minimum version update
On 6/13/07, Lucas Rocha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hei, > > I'm ok with just bumping the recommended version. Release team, what > do you think? Done; sorry for the slow response. Elijah ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
Re: shared-mime-info minimum version update
Hei, I'm ok with just bumping the recommended version. Release team, what do you think? --lucasr 2007/6/12, Matthias Clasen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On 6/11/07, Lucas Rocha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I'd like to propose to raise the minimum version of shared-mime-info > > from 0.19 to 0.21 for GNOME 2.20. Basically, this would solve bug > > #408591. I guess other modules would benefit from this update as well. > > I think we probably just want to raise the recommended version to be the > latest. > The minimum version does not really make that much sense for a pure > data module like this. And wbmp support is not exactly a killer > feature... > ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
Re: shared-mime-info minimum version update
Il giorno mar, 12/06/2007 alle 10.14 +0100, Bastien Nocera ha scritto: > On Tue, 2007-06-12 at 09:25 +0200, Luca Ferretti wrote: > > > Bastien (you are maintainer, aren't you?), please note that the latest > > translation template officially sent to Transation Project was the > > 0.17!! See [1] > > > > IMHO is better send new template to TP, wait for updated translations, > > relase 0.22 with those and make GNOME depend on it (as recommended > > version, of course) > > > > PS maybe fd.o should switch to a custom and automated translation > > framework: fd.o stuff's translations (HAL, gst*, shared-mime-info...) > > are always outdated. > > > > [1] > > http://www.iro.umontreal.ca/translation/registry.cgi?domain=shared-mime-info > > Chris Neumair and Christophe Fergeau are the official maintainers. I'm a > bug and release monkey :) You are still in MAINTAINER file, while it's 2 years old and not included in EXTRA_DIST ;-) > I have no idea how to interact with TP, http://www.iro.umontreal.ca/translation/HTML/maintainers.html > and people have been sending > updated translations directly to me, to the list, or committing > themselves if they have access. There is also Launchpad.net from Canonical/Ubuntu to manage translations, see https://translations.launchpad.net/+about and https://help.launchpad.net/FeatureHighlights/SoftwareTranslation Just a note: the FAQ[1] says Launchpad translations are under BSD licence, the TermOfUse page says that submitted translations are under the same licence as the software. [1] https://translations.launchpad.net/+faq [2] https://translations.launchpad.net/legal ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
Re: shared-mime-info minimum version update
On Tue, 2007-06-12 at 09:25 +0200, Luca Ferretti wrote: > Bastien (you are maintainer, aren't you?), please note that the latest > translation template officially sent to Transation Project was the > 0.17!! See [1] > > IMHO is better send new template to TP, wait for updated translations, > relase 0.22 with those and make GNOME depend on it (as recommended > version, of course) > > PS maybe fd.o should switch to a custom and automated translation > framework: fd.o stuff's translations (HAL, gst*, shared-mime-info...) > are always outdated. > > [1] > http://www.iro.umontreal.ca/translation/registry.cgi?domain=shared-mime-info Chris Neumair and Christophe Fergeau are the official maintainers. I'm a bug and release monkey :) I have no idea how to interact with TP, and people have been sending updated translations directly to me, to the list, or committing themselves if they have access. -- Bastien Nocera <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
Re: shared-mime-info minimum version update
Il giorno mar, 12/06/2007 alle 00.53 +0100, Bastien Nocera ha scritto: > On Mon, 2007-06-11 at 18:53 -0400, Matthias Clasen wrote: > > On 6/11/07, Lucas Rocha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > > > I'd like to propose to raise the minimum version of shared-mime-info > > > from 0.19 to 0.21 for GNOME 2.20. Basically, this would solve bug > > > #408591. I guess other modules would benefit from this update as well. > > > > I think we probably just want to raise the recommended version to be the > > latest. > > The minimum version does not really make that much sense for a pure > > data module like this. And wbmp support is not exactly a killer > > feature... > > I second using the latest version as the recommended version, although > I'm not sure who wouldn't update to the latest version when updating all > the other packages. > Bastien (you are maintainer, aren't you?), please note that the latest translation template officially sent to Transation Project was the 0.17!! See [1] IMHO is better send new template to TP, wait for updated translations, relase 0.22 with those and make GNOME depend on it (as recommended version, of course) PS maybe fd.o should switch to a custom and automated translation framework: fd.o stuff's translations (HAL, gst*, shared-mime-info...) are always outdated. [1] http://www.iro.umontreal.ca/translation/registry.cgi?domain=shared-mime-info ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
Re: shared-mime-info minimum version update
On 6/11/07, Bastien Nocera <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Not a killer feature, but support for more formats is always nice. Look > at the number of changes I made to add rarely used formats in > shared-mime-info for Totem to use. > > I second using the latest version as the recommended version, although > I'm not sure who wouldn't update to the latest version when updating all > the other packages. > I guess it depends a bit on what we want to achieve with this list of external dependencies. I understand the "minimum version" column as a checklist for "can I build 2.19 on this machine ?" - for that, any version of shared-mime-info will do. ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
Re: shared-mime-info minimum version update
On Mon, 2007-06-11 at 18:53 -0400, Matthias Clasen wrote: > On 6/11/07, Lucas Rocha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I'd like to propose to raise the minimum version of shared-mime-info > > from 0.19 to 0.21 for GNOME 2.20. Basically, this would solve bug > > #408591. I guess other modules would benefit from this update as well. > > I think we probably just want to raise the recommended version to be the > latest. > The minimum version does not really make that much sense for a pure > data module like this. And wbmp support is not exactly a killer > feature... Not a killer feature, but support for more formats is always nice. Look at the number of changes I made to add rarely used formats in shared-mime-info for Totem to use. I second using the latest version as the recommended version, although I'm not sure who wouldn't update to the latest version when updating all the other packages. -- Bastien Nocera <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
Re: shared-mime-info minimum version update
On 6/11/07, Lucas Rocha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, > > I'd like to propose to raise the minimum version of shared-mime-info > from 0.19 to 0.21 for GNOME 2.20. Basically, this would solve bug > #408591. I guess other modules would benefit from this update as well. I think we probably just want to raise the recommended version to be the latest. The minimum version does not really make that much sense for a pure data module like this. And wbmp support is not exactly a killer feature... ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
shared-mime-info minimum version update
Hi, I'd like to propose to raise the minimum version of shared-mime-info from 0.19 to 0.21 for GNOME 2.20. Basically, this would solve bug #408591. I guess other modules would benefit from this update as well. Cheers! --lucasr ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
