Re: [marketing] birthday cake

[Rosana Ardila]

Hi,

the second link was wrong, here's the right one:
http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/w/images/8/86/OOoCon_cake.JPG

Regards,
Rosana

Rosana Ardila wrote:

Hi Bernhard,

We can still have a cake withouth the logo, just with the symbol. 
Here's an example:

http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/w/images/f/f0/OOo_cake.png

Or we can find good pictures of the cake at the OOoCon, this one would 
need to be cropped and the candles are missing:

http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/w/images/f/f0/OOo_cake.png

What do you think?

Regards,
Rosana


Bernhard Dippold wrote:

Hi Louis,

Louis Suárez-Potts schrieb:

I'd like to focus attention on a fairly urgent matter. Specifically,
the "baking" of the traditional cake, this time with 10 candles, to
represent our 10th anniversary. [...]  In the past, the
community composed of the Website team (which I used to lead) and the
Marketing/Art teams made the image. [...]
We need a cake (or at least want one) and we need for it to do what
birthday cakes always do: be pretty and show that there is some grace
left in life for now and in the future.


The past logo was allowed to be combined with images like the cakes:
http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/File:Logo_bcake_9th.png

For the new logo we've been told that it is necessary to define a 
minimal white space around it (discussion not yet finished, but 
probably half the height of the "O" for community internal use). 
there was a consensus in the branding team that seasonal logos for 
the website are the least important ones and therefore should not be 
supported.


If there is any different decision, please let me know.

Linked to the image of the 9th birthday at the wiki there is sthe SVG 
source with the cake and candles.


It doesn't take too much work to add another candle and move the 
others around to make it look decent...


Best regards

Bernhard

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Re: [marketing] birthday cake

[Rosana Ardila]

Hi Bernhard,

We can still have a cake withouth the logo, just with the symbol. Here's 
an example:

http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/w/images/f/f0/OOo_cake.png

Or we can find good pictures of the cake at the OOoCon, this one would 
need to be cropped and the candles are missing:

http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/w/images/f/f0/OOo_cake.png

What do you think?

Regards,
Rosana


Bernhard Dippold wrote:

Hi Louis,

Louis Suárez-Potts schrieb:

I'd like to focus attention on a fairly urgent matter. Specifically,
the "baking" of the traditional cake, this time with 10 candles, to
represent our 10th anniversary. [...]  In the past, the
community composed of the Website team (which I used to lead) and the
Marketing/Art teams made the image. [...]
We need a cake (or at least want one) and we need for it to do what
birthday cakes always do: be pretty and show that there is some grace
left in life for now and in the future.


The past logo was allowed to be combined with images like the cakes:
http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/File:Logo_bcake_9th.png

For the new logo we've been told that it is necessary to define a 
minimal white space around it (discussion not yet finished, but 
probably half the height of the "O" for community internal use). there 
was a consensus in the branding team that seasonal logos for the 
website are the least important ones and therefore should not be 
supported.


If there is any different decision, please let me know.

Linked to the image of the 9th birthday at the wiki there is sthe SVG 
source with the cake and candles.


It doesn't take too much work to add another candle and move the 
others around to make it look decent...


Best regards

Bernhard

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Re: [marketing] OOo History page updated

[Maho NAKATA]

http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/A_Brief_History_Of_OpenOffice.org

I think
> 2001-04 Source code to Mac OS X port released
would be
2001-04-11 Source code to Mac OS X port released
.

I found the original e-mails etc.
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 09:01:27 -0700
Subject: Mac OS X Port Available on OpenOffice.org
From: Bill Roth 

http://www.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=announce&msgNo=47
> Starting today, OpenOffice.org announces the availability of the Macintosh
>  OS X port of the OpenOffice.org code.

http://porting.openoffice.org/source/browse/*checkout*/porting/www/index.html?rev=1.25
2001-04-11 17:56:48+ (9 yes, 5 month) by br

I guess "br" would be Bill Roth. looks consistent.

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Subject: Re: [marketing] OOo History page updated
Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2010 12:49:06 +0900 (JST)

> From: Maho NAKATA 
> Subject: Re: [marketing] OOo History page updated
> Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2010 12:16:19 +0900 (JST)
> 
>> Hi Drew,
>> 
>> Very interesting. Just 10 min my contribution to this page...
>> 
>> From: Drew Jensen 
>> Subject: [marketing] OOo History page updated
>> Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2010 22:18:22 -0400
>> 
>>> http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/A_Brief_History_Of_OpenOffice.org
>> 
>> 2000-07-19 OpenOffice.org announced; StarOffice 5.2 code open-sourced under 
>> LGPL/SISSL
>> cf. http://www.openoffice.org/press/sun_release.html
> 
> 2000-07-19 02:24:52+ (10 years, 2 month old) by jrobbins
> http://www.openoffice.org/source/browse/*checkout*/www/www/press/sun_release.html?rev=1.1
> yes. this is actually 2000/07/19.
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Re: [marketing] OOo History page updated

[Maho NAKATA]

From: Maho NAKATA 
Subject: Re: [marketing] OOo History page updated
Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2010 12:16:19 +0900 (JST)

> Hi Drew,
> 
> Very interesting. Just 10 min my contribution to this page...
> 
> From: Drew Jensen 
> Subject: [marketing] OOo History page updated
> Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2010 22:18:22 -0400
> 
>> http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/A_Brief_History_Of_OpenOffice.org
> 
> 2000-07-19 OpenOffice.org announced; StarOffice 5.2 code open-sourced under 
> LGPL/SISSL
> cf. http://www.openoffice.org/press/sun_release.html

2000-07-19 02:24:52+ (10 years, 2 month old) by jrobbins
http://www.openoffice.org/source/browse/*checkout*/www/www/press/sun_release.html?rev=1.1
yes. this is actually 2000/07/19.

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Re: [marketing] OOo History page updated

[Maho NAKATA]

Hi

http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/A_Brief_History_Of_OpenOffice.org
> 1999-04 Sun Microsystems, Inc., buys StarDivision

I'm looking for the original announcement. Does anybody know about it???

Following is from a news site.

http://news.cnet.com/2100-1001-230096.html
>  Sun buying Microsoft Office competitor
> A deal to purchase Star Division was signed August 11, and an announcement is 
> expected August 31,

http://slashdot.org/articles/99/08/30/1417210.shtml
kwelty wrote in to tell us that this morning's Wall Street Journal has a bit 
more about Sun buying Star Office. The crazier bit tho (and the bit for while 
there currently is no URL following: "Sun, of Palo Alto, Calif., plans to make 
the Star Office applications available via the Internet and may give away the 
program's underlying source code free as well, these people said." Cross your 
fingers. 
Hmmm...

From wikipedia, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oracle_Open_Office
I found an interesting part. 
> The German company StarDivision in Lüneburg (founded by 16-year-old Marco 
> Börries in 1984) wrote the original components of StarOffice.

16 years old Marco wrote the original components of StarOffice?
I found a wiki describing Marco. http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marco_B%C3%B6rries
Sorry I cannot read German, but a bit.
see also http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Division
.

From: Maho NAKATA 
Subject: Re: [marketing] OOo History page updated
Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2010 12:20:37 +0900 (JST)

> From: Drew Jensen 
> Subject: [marketing] OOo History page updated
> Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2010 22:18:22 -0400
> 
>>  Hi
>> 
>> http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/A_Brief_History_Of_OpenOffice.org
>> 
>> Made a few updates - will try to get a few more in between now and the
>> 13th
>> 
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> a bit more:
> 
> For MacOSX 2002/5/7
> http://www.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=announce&msgNo=115
> Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 13:57:13 +0100 (BST)
> From: Sander Vesik 
> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=X-UNKNOWN
> Subject: [announce] DEVELOPER RELEASE OF THE OPENOFFICE.ORG OFFICE SUITE  FOR 
> MAC OS X
> 
> see also http://porting.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=dev&msgNo=2631
> 
> thanks!
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Re: [marketing] OOo History page updated

[Maho NAKATA]

From: Drew Jensen 
Subject: [marketing] OOo History page updated
Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2010 22:18:22 -0400

>  Hi
> 
> http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/A_Brief_History_Of_OpenOffice.org
> 
> Made a few updates - will try to get a few more in between now and the
> 13th
> 
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a bit more:

For MacOSX 2002/5/7
http://www.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=announce&msgNo=115
Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 13:57:13 +0100 (BST)
From: Sander Vesik 
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=X-UNKNOWN
Subject: [announce] DEVELOPER RELEASE OF THE OPENOFFICE.ORG OFFICE SUITE  FOR 
MAC OS X

see also http://porting.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=dev&msgNo=2631

thanks!
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Re: [marketing] OOo History page updated

[Maho NAKATA]

Hi Drew,

Very interesting. Just 10 min my contribution to this page...

From: Drew Jensen 
Subject: [marketing] OOo History page updated
Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2010 22:18:22 -0400

> http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/A_Brief_History_Of_OpenOffice.org

2000-07-19 OpenOffice.org announced; StarOffice 5.2 code open-sourced under 
LGPL/SISSL
cf. http://www.openoffice.org/press/sun_release.html

2000-10-13 OpenOffice.org goes live, with the source available for download
cf. http://www.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=announce&msgNo=6
Adam Gould 
this would be:
http://www.openoffice.org/source/browse/*checkout*/www/www/dev_docs/source/get_tarballs.html?rev=1.1
oo_605_src.tar.gz ~200MB
(does anybody have this tarball?)

2000-11-24 First port complete: PPC Linux
http://porting.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=dev&msgNo=492
From: Kevin B. Hendricks 
Subject: OpenOffice is Working on PPC Linux!

...

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[marketing] OOo History page updated

[Drew Jensen]

 Hi

http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/A_Brief_History_Of_OpenOffice.org

Made a few updates - will try to get a few more in between now and the 13th

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Re: [marketing] birthday cake

[Bernhard Dippold]

Hi Louis,

Louis Suárez-Potts schrieb:

I'd like to focus attention on a fairly urgent matter. Specifically,
the "baking" of the traditional cake, this time with 10 candles, to
represent our 10th anniversary. [...]  In the past, the
community composed of the Website team (which I used to lead) and the
Marketing/Art teams made the image. [...]
We need a cake (or at least want one) and we need for it to do what
birthday cakes always do: be pretty and show that there is some grace
left in life for now and in the future.


The past logo was allowed to be combined with images like the cakes:
http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/File:Logo_bcake_9th.png

For the new logo we've been told that it is necessary to define a 
minimal white space around it (discussion not yet finished, but probably 
half the height of the "O" for community internal use). there was a 
consensus in the branding team that seasonal logos for the website are 
the least important ones and therefore should not be supported.


If there is any different decision, please let me know.

Linked to the image of the 9th birthday at the wiki there is sthe SVG 
source with the cake and candles.


It doesn't take too much work to add another candle and move the others 
around to make it look decent...


Best regards

Bernhard

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Re: [marketing] birthday cake

[Louis Suárez-Potts]

Whoops.
:-)
louis


On 2010-10-07, at 12:19 , Kazunari Hirano wrote:

> Hi Louis,
> 
> On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 5:04 PM, Louis Suárez-Potts
>  wrote:
>> The tenth birthday, though, is actually 12 October.
> 
> You mean 13 October?
> http://www.openoffice.org/about_us/milestones.html
> 
> Thanks,
> khirano
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Re: [marketing] Result: Logo for the 10th anniversary - request for approval

[Jean Hollis Weber]

On Wed, 2010-10-06, Alex Fisher wrote:

> Secondly, "Libre Office"!? Come on! For a Francophone (and probably speakers 
> of the other Romance languages) the name might mean something. But to an 
> Anglophone, who is not "into" OSS, it conveys no meaning at all. The same 
> would apply to virtually all other non-Romance languages. 

So what? The "Open" in OpenOffice.org means nothing to most people, who
have never heard of "open source" or "open standards" or "open" anything
else. It conveys no meaning at all. If I explain, people don't care,
don't understand why they should care, and lose interest.

OTOH, if someone asks what "LibreOffice" means, it's easy: "Libre means
free, as in liberty or freedom." That is something people can understand
and relate to.

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Re: [marketing] birthday cake

[Kazunari Hirano]

Hi Louis,

On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 5:04 PM, Louis Suárez-Potts
 wrote:
> The tenth birthday, though, is actually 12 October.

You mean 13 October?
http://www.openoffice.org/about_us/milestones.html

Thanks,
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Re: [marketing] birthday cake [WAS: Re: [marketing] Result: Logo for the 10th anniversary - request for approval

[Danishka Navin]

On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 3:21 PM, Danishka Navin  wrote:

>
>
> On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 2:24 PM, Andreas Bartel 
> wrote:
>
>> Dear all,
>>
>> I am really wondering what this verbal crusade against Oracle and its
>> employees is all about? This all reminds me too much of Middle Ages
>> campaigns. Is that what you call social responsibility and soft skills?
>>
>> Here is maybe an appropriate quote:
>>
>> "Stop telling how good you are. Be good!"
>>
>
> I did not say anything to *...@oracle.com but Oracle.
> I do not have any personal issues with any of you.
> and you are appointed by Oracle to continue with OO.org with the community.
>
> I just gave an example related to Oracle.
>
> I know nobody want to listen any thing against his/her company as they love
> it...
>
>
>

btw, I was replying to Louis. its obvious that new move will be reaching
better possession in the Office application market share.


>
>
>
>
>> Regards,
>> Andreas
>>
>>
>> Am 07.10.2010 um 10:11 schrieb Danishka Navin:
>>
>> > On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 1:27 PM, Louis Suárez-Potts <
>> > louis.suarez-po...@oracle.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Hi all,
>> >>
>> >> On 2010-10-07, at 09:10 , Alex Fisher wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> My personal concern is that this move has sounded the death knell for
>> >> OO.o.
>> >>> IMO, it is the end of any real chance we had of seriously reducing the
>> >> market
>> >>> share of Microsoft Office.
>> >>
>> >> Nope.
>> >>
>> >>
>> > simple question;
>> >
>> > Oracle forked RHEL (and shamelessly promoting that faked spin as
>> > UNBREAKABLE Linux only with the latest kernel)
>> >
>> > Due to this poor approach making any advantage for Microsoft Server
>> Market?
>> >
>> > One of the best thing I love in FOSS is choice.
>> >
>> > Let community to chose what they want.
>> >
>> > This will be a good chance to see more cool features and enhanced HCI
>> from
>> > FOSS Office applications. :)
>> >
>> > Still Oracle have a chance to be a good boy in the family of FOSS.
>> >
>> > Best Regards,
>> > Danishka
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > Danishka Navin
>> > http://danishkanavin.blogspot.com
>> > http://twitter.com/danishkanavin
>> > http://identi.ca/danishka
>>
>>
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>> Phone: +49 (0)40 236 46 - 672
>> Oracle OFFICE GBU
>>
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>>
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>> Registergericht: Amtsgericht München, HRA 95603
>>
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>> Geschäftsführer: Jürgen Kunz, Marcel van de Molen, Alexander van der Ven
>>
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Re: [marketing] birthday cake [WAS: Re: [marketing] Result: Logo for the 10th anniversary - request for approval

[Danishka Navin]

On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 2:24 PM, Andreas Bartel wrote:

> Dear all,
>
> I am really wondering what this verbal crusade against Oracle and its
> employees is all about? This all reminds me too much of Middle Ages
> campaigns. Is that what you call social responsibility and soft skills?
>
> Here is maybe an appropriate quote:
>
> "Stop telling how good you are. Be good!"
>

I did not say anything to *...@oracle.com but Oracle.
I do not have any personal issues with any of you.
and you are appointed by Oracle to continue with OO.org with the community.

I just gave an example related to Oracle.

I know nobody want to listen any thing against his/her company as they love
it...


btw, I was replying to Louis and its obvious this move can gain more
community to get MS Office.





> Regards,
> Andreas
>
>
> Am 07.10.2010 um 10:11 schrieb Danishka Navin:
>
> > On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 1:27 PM, Louis Suárez-Potts <
> > louis.suarez-po...@oracle.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Hi all,
> >>
> >> On 2010-10-07, at 09:10 , Alex Fisher wrote:
> >>
> >>> My personal concern is that this move has sounded the death knell for
> >> OO.o.
> >>> IMO, it is the end of any real chance we had of seriously reducing the
> >> market
> >>> share of Microsoft Office.
> >>
> >> Nope.
> >>
> >>
> > simple question;
> >
> > Oracle forked RHEL (and shamelessly promoting that faked spin as
> > UNBREAKABLE Linux only with the latest kernel)
> >
> > Due to this poor approach making any advantage for Microsoft Server
> Market?
> >
> > One of the best thing I love in FOSS is choice.
> >
> > Let community to chose what they want.
> >
> > This will be a good chance to see more cool features and enhanced HCI
> from
> > FOSS Office applications. :)
> >
> > Still Oracle have a chance to be a good boy in the family of FOSS.
> >
> > Best Regards,
> > Danishka
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Danishka Navin
> > http://danishkanavin.blogspot.com
> > http://twitter.com/danishkanavin
> > http://identi.ca/danishka
>
>
> Andreas Bartel | User Experience Engineer
> Phone: +49 (0)40 236 46 - 672
> Oracle OFFICE GBU
>
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Re: [marketing] birthday cake [WAS: Re: [marketing] Result: Logo for the 10th anniversary - request for approval

[Andreas Bartel]

Dear all,

I am really wondering what this verbal crusade against Oracle and its employees 
is all about? This all reminds me too much of Middle Ages campaigns. Is that 
what you call social responsibility and soft skills?

Here is maybe an appropriate quote:

"Stop telling how good you are. Be good!"

Regards,
Andreas


Am 07.10.2010 um 10:11 schrieb Danishka Navin:

> On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 1:27 PM, Louis Suárez-Potts <
> louis.suarez-po...@oracle.com> wrote:
> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> On 2010-10-07, at 09:10 , Alex Fisher wrote:
>> 
>>> My personal concern is that this move has sounded the death knell for
>> OO.o.
>>> IMO, it is the end of any real chance we had of seriously reducing the
>> market
>>> share of Microsoft Office.
>> 
>> Nope.
>> 
>> 
> simple question;
> 
> Oracle forked RHEL (and shamelessly promoting that faked spin as
> UNBREAKABLE Linux only with the latest kernel)
> 
> Due to this poor approach making any advantage for Microsoft Server Market?
> 
> One of the best thing I love in FOSS is choice.
> 
> Let community to chose what they want.
> 
> This will be a good chance to see more cool features and enhanced HCI from
> FOSS Office applications. :)
> 
> Still Oracle have a chance to be a good boy in the family of FOSS.
> 
> Best Regards,
> Danishka
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [marketing] birthday cake [WAS: Re: [marketing] Result: Logo for the 10th anniversary - request for approval

[Danishka Navin]

On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 1:27 PM, Louis Suárez-Potts <
louis.suarez-po...@oracle.com> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> On 2010-10-07, at 09:10 , Alex Fisher wrote:
>
> > My personal concern is that this move has sounded the death knell for
> OO.o.
> > IMO, it is the end of any real chance we had of seriously reducing the
> market
> > share of Microsoft Office.
>
> Nope.
>
>
simple question;

Oracle forked RHEL (and shamelessly promoting that faked spin as
UNBREAKABLE Linux only with the latest kernel)

Due to this poor approach making any advantage for Microsoft Server Market?

One of the best thing I love in FOSS is choice.

Let community to chose what they want.

This will be a good chance to see more cool features and enhanced HCI from
FOSS Office applications. :)

Still Oracle have a chance to be a good boy in the family of FOSS.

Best Regards,
Danishka





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[marketing] birthday cake

[Louis Suárez-Potts]

I'd like to focus attention on a fairly urgent matter. Specifically, the 
"baking" of the traditional cake, this time with 10 candles, to represent our 
10th anniversary. OOo celebrated this birthday in Budapest last month, and 
there were even (coincidental, to be sure) fireworks and a huge cake, thanks to 
Rosana and Péter's team. It was, for all there and for those who could view the 
pictures, a lot of fun. 

The tenth birthday, though, is actually 12 October. In the past, the community 
composed of the Website team (which I used to lead) and the Marketing/Art teams 
made the image.  Obviously, there has been considerable discussion on related 
issues. But this is quite simple. We need a cake (or at least want one) and we 
need for it to do what birthday cakes always do: be pretty and show that there 
is some grace left in life for now and in the future.

best,
Louis



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[marketing] birthday cake [WAS: Re: [marketing] Result: Logo for the 10th anniversary - request for approval

[Louis Suárez-Potts]

Hi all,

On 2010-10-07, at 09:10 , Alex Fisher wrote:

> My personal concern is that this move has sounded the death knell for OO.o. 
> IMO, it is the end of any real chance we had of seriously reducing the market 
> share of Microsoft Office.

Nope.

-louis
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Re: [marketing] Result: Logo for the 10th anniversary - request for approval

[Alex Fisher]

> On 10/06/2010 05:29 AM, Alex Fisher wrote:
> > Secondly, "Libre Office"!?
> 
> You might not understand the meaning.

I do, both in the OSS sense *and* in the sense conveyed by the original 
tongue...

> You might not know how to pronounce it.

I probably pronounce it better than you do. 

I speak French quite well, with less of an accent than most Anglophones. And 
because of that, I also read and comprehend at a reasonable level the other 3 
major members of the Romance group (I've not so far found any need to try my 
hand at Romanian, the fifth member of the group).

 I also speak some German, which also enables me to read and make sense of 
most of the Germanic languages (I have not so far taken much notice of 
Icelandic).

I even speak Finnish, and can read a some Hebrew and Greek.

> But both of those are solvable issues.

No, only the first is.
> 
> Branding is a black art.

And?
> 
> When a new brand is created, most of the money spent on naming it, goes
> to trademark searches, and determining if there are pre-existing
> negative, or obscene connotations to the proposed name, in languages
> that might be used where the new brand is to be marketed.

I'm fully aware of all that. Your point is?
> 
> > would apply to virtually all other non-Romance languages.
> 
> Any name that is chosen is going to have issues with people not being
> able to pronounce it, or not knowing what it means.
> 
> Try this sentence: "Sebeqabele gqi thapha bathi nguqo ngqothwane".

So?
> 
> If you learned to speak that language prior to age six, there is a 25%
> probability that you won't be able to pronounce that sentence correctly.
> If you didn't learn to speak that language prior to age six, you won't
> be able to pronounce it correctly.

Maybe, maybe not. Some linguists suggest the age of 8 as the age at which 
pronunciations and stress patterns become set, actually. 
> 
> Could you spell "i-ofisi ekhululekileyo " correctly?
> [I'm fairly confident that you couldn't pronounce it correctly.]

You might be surprised.
> 
> That is what LibO would be called, if that language were used, rather
> than the Romance languages that are used.
> 
> Ag, maybe somebody would give dem yankees a break, and use "vula
> i-ofisi" instead. They still couldn't pronounce it, but they might be
> able to spell it.
> 
> > The choice of "Libre" immediately gives me the impression that the whole
> > thing
> 
> People can learn new words.

If they want to. The "average" end user in most cases probably just couldn't 
care less (or, for the USAians, "could care less".)

> People can learn new meanings to existing words.

see above...
> 
> Governments have used Orwellian NewSpeak for decades, to make their
> crimes sound more palatable.
> 
> > I have trouble believing the figures put forward. Bear in mind that the
> > Community Council is *not* the entire community. The Developers are
> > *not* the entire community. They are *part* of the community, and *only*
> > part of it.
> 
> The Community Council represents the users.

That is how it is supposed to be. But that also implies some sort of 
consultation, which is completely lacking here

> The Developers are the people that work on the product.
> 
> Take a look at who registered the various LibreOffice domain names. And
> look at how fast those domain names were registered.

That (the hasty registration of domain names) only serves to increase my level 
of suspicion relating to the motivation.
> 
> [One reason why the formation of Document Foundation, and LibreOffice
> had to kept under wraps, was to minimize domain name cybersquatting.]

There could (and should) still have been much more consultation outside the CC 
and devs than there was. Such could have been achieved without prematurely 
revealing the putative names favoured by the breakaways.
> 
> >To the vast majority of people who comprise the community, this
> 
> announcement would have come as a complete shock.
> 
> It would have been a shock only to those people who don't pay any
> attention to the Community Council list, or the developer list.

Really? And what percentage of the community reads these lists? And which 
developer list(s) do you refer to?
> 
> By July 2010, it was clear that OOo developers, community council, and
> users would declare independence from Oracle. The only issue was when.

No, it was *not* clear. I've been following these sagas through several 
different media
> 
> Once OpenIndiana was announced, it should have been obvious to everybody
> that OOo was the next community project that Oracle would lose.

Not obvious. Several online sources reported the "birth" of that group. Those 
I read also speculated on the fate of other things within Oracle. OO.o was not 
mentioned by any of them. OTOH, Java was
> 
> jonathon

I still remain to be convinced that this is really what the majority of the 
community (which must include end-users and others who have any involvement 
with OO.o (the product), not just the