Re: [OSM-dev] How to get non-technical users easily editing (offline)?
On 2010-09-22 8:37 PM, Jonathan Bennett wrote: On 22/09/2010 11:10, Sam Wilson wrote: Unfortunately, this all has to work offline, so Potlatch can't help me. But really, that idea of limiting an editor to a specific set of tags (etc.) seems great; anyone know if one of the offline editors would lend itself to that sort of thing? As with JOSM, Merkaartor can take custom tag templates, which make entering data for specific tags easier, and they appear above the free-form tag entry fields. Merkaartor also allows you to customise the map rendering from within the application (no file editing). However, it does need installing, as opposed to JOSM's drop-in operation. If you're interested in trying Merkaartor, I can come up with a couple of simple examples, or pop into the Merkaartor mailing list. Jonathan I've been testing with Merkaartor, and the operations manager is jolly impressed. So it looks like we'll just be setting up the field assessors with OSM accounts, and getting them to record all information they think is useful. Then, the field maintenance crews will simply have OSM maps on their Garmins in the trucks, and all is done! My ideas to make editing simpler were misplaced, it seems. :-) ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
Re: [OSM-dev] How to get non-technical users easily editing (offline)?
> > the map rendering from within the application (no file editing). However, > it does need installing, as opposed to JOSM's drop-in operation. > > Note however that since 0.16, there is a "portable" version of Merkaartor for Windows, i.e. a plain zip file you extract anywhere and just double-click the exe. See "Merkaartor portable zip" at http://merkaartor.be/projects/merkaartor/files BTW, even the installed version can be started with "-p" for the same functionality. - Chris - ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
Re: [OSM-dev] How to get non-technical users easily editing (offline)?
On 22/09/2010 11:10, Sam Wilson wrote: Unfortunately, this all has to work offline, so Potlatch can't help me. But really, that idea of limiting an editor to a specific set of tags (etc.) seems great; anyone know if one of the offline editors would lend itself to that sort of thing? As with JOSM, Merkaartor can take custom tag templates, which make entering data for specific tags easier, and they appear above the free-form tag entry fields. Merkaartor also allows you to customise the map rendering from within the application (no file editing). However, it does need installing, as opposed to JOSM's drop-in operation. If you're interested in trying Merkaartor, I can come up with a couple of simple examples, or pop into the Merkaartor mailing list. Jonathan ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
Re: [OSM-dev] How to get non-technical users easily editing (offline)?
2010/9/22 Peter Körner : > You can completely configure the presets available in josm but you can't > remove the possibility of changing existing data or adding arbitrary tags > via the tag editor. You could simply not show the tag editor (I would actually do this for a declared "simple editor" directed to newbies). cheers, Martin ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
Re: [OSM-dev] How to get non-technical users easily editing (offline)?
Am 22.09.2010 12:10, schrieb Sam Wilson: Unfortunately, this all has to work offline, so Potlatch can't help me. But really, that idea of limiting an editor to a specific set of tags (etc.) seems great; anyone know if one of the offline editors would lend itself to that sort of thing? You can completely configure the presets available in josm but you can't remove the possibility of changing existing data or adding arbitrary tags via the tag editor. Peter ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
Re: [OSM-dev] How to get non-technical users easily editing (offline)?
On 22/09/10 5:55 PM, Shaun McDonald wrote: Have you taken a look at Potlatch2? It allows you to customise the interface easily, so that only the appropriate things that are needed for that group of editors is shown, thus making it easier for them. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Potlatch_2/Deploying_Potlatch_2 Unfortunately, this all has to work offline, so Potlatch can't help me. But really, that idea of limiting an editor to a specific set of tags (etc.) seems great; anyone know if one of the offline editors would lend itself to that sort of thing? - Sam. ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
Re: [OSM-dev] How to get non-technical users easily editing (offline)?
On Wed, September 22, 2010 9:10 am, Sam Wilson wrote: > On 2010-09-22 3:47 PM, Jonathan Bennett wrote: >> Take a look at Walking Papers: >> >> http://walking-papers.org/ >> >> This does a similar thing, but with printouts that can be given to >> non-technical mappers to make notes on. You then scan the annotated >> map back into Walking Papers, which makes it available as a background >> in Potlatch (or JOSM, if you like). >> >> The printouts are just PDFs, so you may already be able to hack >> something together using Walking Papers, but certain take a look and >> talk to Michal. >> > Yes, of course! I was working from the idea of Walking Papers, but > trying to apply it to screen-based editing. But I could just *use* > images straight from WP! > > The biggest problem I have is that not all of the notes made on the maps > will be of interest to OSM, and in some cases will contain private > data. So I was figuring on doing a fair bit of processing myself > (there's usually only three or four field assessors doing the data > collection). I shall look into getting the JOSM Walking Papers plugin > to use images from a local source. Have you taken a look at Potlatch2? It allows you to customise the interface easily, so that only the appropriate things that are needed for that group of editors is shown, thus making it easier for them. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Potlatch_2/Deploying_Potlatch_2 Shaun > > (This project, by the way, if anyone's interested, is to assist power > pole assessors in Western Australia; people who travel thousands of kms > a month all over the state, driving all the back ways and small roads, > and taking note of fences, gates, power lines. We've started using OSM > data for locating poles, and I thought it'd be nice to feed some of our > data back in to the map.) > > - Sam. > > ___ > dev mailing list > dev@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev > ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
Re: [OSM-dev] How to get non-technical users easily editing (offline)?
On 2010-09-22 4:17 PM, John Smith wrote: On 22 September 2010 18:10, Sam Wilson wrote: (This project, by the way, if anyone's interested, is to assist power pole assessors in Western Australia; people who travel thousands of kms a month Are you planning to upload pole locations to OSM? The poles are of interest to some, but I'm thinking the pole reference numbers to lat/lon would be useful. Someone else expressed interest in emergency phone reference numbers, so they could be used to more quickly locate people, apparently private road ways don't need to supply this information to government. Ultimately, yes, but although I've got this data now (for all 3,340,068 of them), it's not allowed to be used. It's awfully wrong, too, in lots of cases! So, it's forming the basis for pole locating, and then the confirmed positions will come back, and hopefully be allowed to be used in OSM. Even if the locations and reference numbers of the poles are held back, the other stuff -- roads, tracks, fences, gates, etc. -- will be fine to upload. all over the state, driving all the back ways and small roads, and taking note of fences, gates, power lines. Do these people keep GPS tracks by any chance? Yes! And they *used* to be accessible to me. Recently, however, we moved to a different system, and I am still negotiating how they can be used. I'm hoping to impress management with the pole locating stuff, and then they'll see the value of helping make the map better and better. - Sam. ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
Re: [OSM-dev] How to get non-technical users easily editing (offline)?
On 22 September 2010 18:10, Sam Wilson wrote: > (This project, by the way, if anyone's interested, is to assist power pole > assessors in Western Australia; people who travel thousands of kms a month Are you planning to upload pole locations to OSM? The poles are of interest to some, but I'm thinking the pole reference numbers to lat/lon would be useful. Someone else expressed interest in emergency phone reference numbers, so they could be used to more quickly locate people, apparently private road ways don't need to supply this information to government. > all over the state, driving all the back ways and small roads, and taking > note of fences, gates, power lines. Do these people keep GPS tracks by any chance? ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
Re: [OSM-dev] How to get non-technical users easily editing (offline)?
On 2010-09-22 3:47 PM, Jonathan Bennett wrote: Take a look at Walking Papers: http://walking-papers.org/ This does a similar thing, but with printouts that can be given to non-technical mappers to make notes on. You then scan the annotated map back into Walking Papers, which makes it available as a background in Potlatch (or JOSM, if you like). The printouts are just PDFs, so you may already be able to hack something together using Walking Papers, but certain take a look and talk to Michal. Yes, of course! I was working from the idea of Walking Papers, but trying to apply it to screen-based editing. But I could just *use* images straight from WP! The biggest problem I have is that not all of the notes made on the maps will be of interest to OSM, and in some cases will contain private data. So I was figuring on doing a fair bit of processing myself (there's usually only three or four field assessors doing the data collection). I shall look into getting the JOSM Walking Papers plugin to use images from a local source. (This project, by the way, if anyone's interested, is to assist power pole assessors in Western Australia; people who travel thousands of kms a month all over the state, driving all the back ways and small roads, and taking note of fences, gates, power lines. We've started using OSM data for locating poles, and I thought it'd be nice to feed some of our data back in to the map.) - Sam. ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
Re: [OSM-dev] How to get non-technical users easily editing (offline)?
On 22/09/2010 06:52, Sam Wilson wrote: I'm currently thinking of changing this mud-map to use the relevant OSM tile as a starting point, and getting the users to sketch in their notes and modifications over the top, and then uploading these modified tiles to our server from where I can use them as backgrounds in JOSM. I'm just wondering whether anyone's done anything like this before. Take a look at Walking Papers: http://walking-papers.org/ This does a similar thing, but with printouts that can be given to non-technical mappers to make notes on. You then scan the annotated map back into Walking Papers, which makes it available as a background in Potlatch (or JOSM, if you like). The printouts are just PDFs, so you may already be able to hack something together using Walking Papers, but certain take a look and talk to Michal. Jonathan ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
[OSM-dev] How to get non-technical users easily editing (offline)?
Hi, I am looking for advice as to how best to give a bunch of non-technical users a means to contribute data to OSM. They currently draw 'mud maps' in a 'sketching' (i.e. a very pared-down MS Paint type of thing) component in a custom-built Java application, running on tablet PCs (with touch screens and inbuilt GPSs). I'm currently thinking of changing this mud-map to use the relevant OSM tile as a starting point, and getting the users to sketch in their notes and modifications over the top, and then uploading these modified tiles to our server from where I can use them as backgrounds in JOSM. I'm just wondering whether anyone's done anything like this before. One issue I've got is that not all of the notes would be suitable for OSM, so I don't think it's possible to just give everyone JOSM and get them uploading straight to OSM. There will be sketched-in fences, gates, etc., but also notes like "Go talk to the farmer up the road". I would be very grateful for any suggestions! Thanks, Sam. ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
