Re: [VOTE] Drop support for Java 5 in Tapestry 5.4 (2nd attempt)
Am 22.05.2014 21:30, schrieb Andreas Andreou: > Andreas Andreou: +1 (binding) Phew, thanks, that makes it easier. :-) signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [VOTE] Drop support for Java 5 in Tapestry 5.4 (2nd attempt)
Andreas Andreou: +1 (binding) On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 10:18 PM, Kalle Korhonen wrote: > Right, that's the principle but not a strict requirement. I don't want us > to get stuck with procedural issues. Voting is supposed to help us with > coding, not prevent it. We don't vote on all code changes and in this case, > we wanted to ask the community's opinion and it looks we have it. We can go > by the lazy-consensus as well, I see that Thiago just copied the paragraph > in his email. > > Kalle > > > On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 11:58 AM, Jochen Kemnade wrote: > >> I thought that only PMC members can cast binding votes, so, if none of the >> others vote +1, the vote will eventually fail? >> -- Andreas Andreou - andy...@apache.org - http://blog.andyhot.gr Apache Tapestry PMC / http://chesstu.be owner Open Source / JEE Consulting - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@tapestry.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@tapestry.apache.org
Re: [VOTE] Drop support for Java 5 in Tapestry 5.4 (2nd attempt)
Right, that's the principle but not a strict requirement. I don't want us to get stuck with procedural issues. Voting is supposed to help us with coding, not prevent it. We don't vote on all code changes and in this case, we wanted to ask the community's opinion and it looks we have it. We can go by the lazy-consensus as well, I see that Thiago just copied the paragraph in his email. Kalle On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 11:58 AM, Jochen Kemnade wrote: > I thought that only PMC members can cast binding votes, so, if none of the > others vote +1, the vote will eventually fail? >
Re: [VOTE] Drop support for Java 5 in Tapestry 5.4 (2nd attempt)
On Thu, 22 May 2014 15:58:09 -0300, Jochen Kemnade wrote: I thought that only PMC members can cast binding votes, That's correct. so, if none of the others vote +1, the vote will eventually fail? I guess lazy consensus apply here. If I'm correct, the answer is no, it won't fail. From http://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html: "Votes on code modifications follow a different model. In this scenario, a negative vote constitutes a veto , which cannot be overridden. Again, this model may be modified by a lazy consensus declaration when the request for a vote is raised, but the full-stop nature of a negative vote is unchanged. Under normal (non-lazy consensus) conditions, the proposal requires three positive votes and no negative ones in order to pass; if it fails to garner the requisite amount of support, it doesn't -- and typically is either withdrawn, modified, or simply allowed to languish as an open issue until someone gets around to removing it." -- Thiago H. de Paula Figueiredo Tapestry, Java and Hibernate consultant and developer http://machina.com.br - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@tapestry.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@tapestry.apache.org
Re: [VOTE] Drop support for Java 5 in Tapestry 5.4 (2nd attempt)
I thought that only PMC members can cast binding votes, so, if none of the others vote +1, the vote will eventually fail?
Re: [VOTE] Drop support for Java 5 in Tapestry 5.4 (2nd attempt)
To get on with this, Jochen please change your vote to binding and close the vote as successful. We don't want to be paralyzed by non-voting when there are no votes against. Kalle On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 7:20 AM, Howard Lewis Ship wrote: > Howard M. Lewis Ship: +1 (binding) > > > On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 9:05 PM, Ulrich Stärk wrote: > > > Ulrich Stärk: +0 (binding) > > > > For the same reasons as stated before. > > > > On 2014-05-18 18:29, Jochen Kemnade wrote: > > > There have been discussions whether we want to keep compatibility with > > Java 5 for the upcoming > > > 5.4 release. Java 5 is EOSL since October 2009. While requiring Java 6 > > would not bring us much > > > benefits, there might be some libraries that we cannot use because they > > do not support Java 5. > > > Also, we'd spare ourselves some efforts not having to support Java 5 > > anymore. The vote will run > > > for 3 days and, if it succeeds, I will increase the minimum required > > Java version to 1.6. > > > > > > Jochen Kemnade: +1 (non-binding) > > > > > > - > To > > unsubscribe, e-mail: > > > dev-unsubscr...@tapestry.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: > > > dev-h...@tapestry.apache.org > > > > > > > > > > - > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@tapestry.apache.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@tapestry.apache.org > > > > > > > -- > Howard M. Lewis Ship > > Creator of Apache Tapestry > > The source for Tapestry training, mentoring and support. Contact me to > learn how I can get you up and productive in Tapestry fast! > > (971) 678-5210 > http://howardlewisship.com > @hlship >
Re: [VOTE] Drop support for Java 5 in Tapestry 5.4 (2nd attempt)
Howard M. Lewis Ship: +1 (binding) On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 9:05 PM, Ulrich Stärk wrote: > Ulrich Stärk: +0 (binding) > > For the same reasons as stated before. > > On 2014-05-18 18:29, Jochen Kemnade wrote: > > There have been discussions whether we want to keep compatibility with > Java 5 for the upcoming > > 5.4 release. Java 5 is EOSL since October 2009. While requiring Java 6 > would not bring us much > > benefits, there might be some libraries that we cannot use because they > do not support Java 5. > > Also, we'd spare ourselves some efforts not having to support Java 5 > anymore. The vote will run > > for 3 days and, if it succeeds, I will increase the minimum required > Java version to 1.6. > > > > Jochen Kemnade: +1 (non-binding) > > > > - To > unsubscribe, e-mail: > > dev-unsubscr...@tapestry.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: > > dev-h...@tapestry.apache.org > > > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@tapestry.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@tapestry.apache.org > > -- Howard M. Lewis Ship Creator of Apache Tapestry The source for Tapestry training, mentoring and support. Contact me to learn how I can get you up and productive in Tapestry fast! (971) 678-5210 http://howardlewisship.com @hlship
Re: [VOTE] Drop support for Java 5 in Tapestry 5.4 (2nd attempt)
Ulrich Stärk: +0 (binding) For the same reasons as stated before. On 2014-05-18 18:29, Jochen Kemnade wrote: > There have been discussions whether we want to keep compatibility with Java 5 > for the upcoming > 5.4 release. Java 5 is EOSL since October 2009. While requiring Java 6 would > not bring us much > benefits, there might be some libraries that we cannot use because they do > not support Java 5. > Also, we'd spare ourselves some efforts not having to support Java 5 anymore. > The vote will run > for 3 days and, if it succeeds, I will increase the minimum required Java > version to 1.6. > > Jochen Kemnade: +1 (non-binding) > > - To > unsubscribe, e-mail: > dev-unsubscr...@tapestry.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: > dev-h...@tapestry.apache.org > > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@tapestry.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@tapestry.apache.org
Re: [VOTE] Drop support for Java 5 in Tapestry 5.4 (2nd attempt)
Thiago H. de Paula Figueiredo: +1 (binding) Again, I only see a Java 8 T5.5 if it's a separate JAR. -- Thiago H. de Paula Figueiredo Tapestry, Java and Hibernate consultant and developer http://machina.com.br - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@tapestry.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@tapestry.apache.org
Re: [VOTE] Drop support for Java 5 in Tapestry 5.4 (2nd attempt)
Can other PMC members please weigh in here. Jochen, no reason to close the vote till you have a binding majority decision either way. Kalle On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 6:11 AM, Kristian Marinkovic < kristian.marinko...@gmail.com> wrote: > Kristian Mairnkovic: +1 (non-binding) > > i don't see any reason not to raise the minimun requirement to 1.6. i've to > admit most of my Tapestry apps run on Java 1.6. anyways. > > > On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 1:54 PM, Bob Harner wrote: > > > Bob Harner: +1 (non-binding) > > On May 18, 2014 1:05 PM, "Jochen Kemnade" wrote: > > > > > There have been discussions whether we want to keep compatibility with > > > Java 5 for the upcoming 5.4 release. > > > Java 5 is EOSL since October 2009. > > > While requiring Java 6 would not bring us much benefits, there might be > > > some libraries that we cannot use because they do not support Java 5. > > > Also, we'd spare ourselves some efforts not having to support Java 5 > > > anymore. > > > The vote will run for 3 days and, if it succeeds, I will increase the > > > minimum required Java version to 1.6. > > > > > > Jochen Kemnade: +1 (non-binding) > > > > > > - > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@tapestry.apache.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@tapestry.apache.org > > > > > > > > > > > >
Re: [VOTE] Drop support for Java 5 in Tapestry 5.4 (2nd attempt)
Kristian Mairnkovic: +1 (non-binding) i don't see any reason not to raise the minimun requirement to 1.6. i've to admit most of my Tapestry apps run on Java 1.6. anyways. On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 1:54 PM, Bob Harner wrote: > Bob Harner: +1 (non-binding) > On May 18, 2014 1:05 PM, "Jochen Kemnade" wrote: > > > There have been discussions whether we want to keep compatibility with > > Java 5 for the upcoming 5.4 release. > > Java 5 is EOSL since October 2009. > > While requiring Java 6 would not bring us much benefits, there might be > > some libraries that we cannot use because they do not support Java 5. > > Also, we'd spare ourselves some efforts not having to support Java 5 > > anymore. > > The vote will run for 3 days and, if it succeeds, I will increase the > > minimum required Java version to 1.6. > > > > Jochen Kemnade: +1 (non-binding) > > > > - > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@tapestry.apache.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@tapestry.apache.org > > > > > > >
Re: [VOTE] Drop support for Java 5 in Tapestry 5.4 (2nd attempt)
Bob Harner: +1 (non-binding) On May 18, 2014 1:05 PM, "Jochen Kemnade" wrote: > There have been discussions whether we want to keep compatibility with > Java 5 for the upcoming 5.4 release. > Java 5 is EOSL since October 2009. > While requiring Java 6 would not bring us much benefits, there might be > some libraries that we cannot use because they do not support Java 5. > Also, we'd spare ourselves some efforts not having to support Java 5 > anymore. > The vote will run for 3 days and, if it succeeds, I will increase the > minimum required Java version to 1.6. > > Jochen Kemnade: +1 (non-binding) > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@tapestry.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@tapestry.apache.org > > >
Re: [VOTE] Drop support for Java 5 in Tapestry 5.4 (2nd attempt)
On Sun, May 18, 2014 at 6:29 PM, Jochen Kemnade wrote: There have been discussions whether we want to keep compatibility with > Java 5 for the upcoming 5.4 release. > Java 5 is EOSL since October 2009. > While requiring Java 6 would not bring us much benefits, there might be > some libraries that we cannot use because they do not support Java 5. > Also, we'd spare ourselves some efforts not having to support Java 5 > anymore. > The vote will run for 3 days and, if it succeeds, I will increase the > minimum required Java version to 1.6. > > Jochen Kemnade: +1 (non-binding) > > Massimo Lusetti: +0 (binding) I'm taking the arguments of new libraries versions and EOSL of Java5 but I actually don't see any benefit from this so "I'm okay with this but I don't feel strongly" I would like to see an upgrade to Java8, maybe this will be for 5.5 Cheers -- Massimo Lusetti
Re: [VOTE] Drop support for Java 5 in Tapestry 5.4 (2nd attempt)
Lance Semmens +0 (non-binding) I can't really see much benefit but I won't stand in the way. On 18 May 2014 18:05, "Jochen Kemnade" wrote: > There have been discussions whether we want to keep compatibility with > Java 5 for the upcoming 5.4 release. > Java 5 is EOSL since October 2009. > While requiring Java 6 would not bring us much benefits, there might be > some libraries that we cannot use because they do not support Java 5. > Also, we'd spare ourselves some efforts not having to support Java 5 > anymore. > The vote will run for 3 days and, if it succeeds, I will increase the > minimum required Java version to 1.6. > > Jochen Kemnade: +1 (non-binding) > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@tapestry.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@tapestry.apache.org > > >
Re: [VOTE] Drop support for Java 5 in Tapestry 5.4 (2nd attempt)
Andreas Ernst: +1 (non-binding) Am 18.05.14 18:29, schrieb Jochen Kemnade: There have been discussions whether we want to keep compatibility with Java 5 for the upcoming 5.4 release. Java 5 is EOSL since October 2009. While requiring Java 6 would not bring us much benefits, there might be some libraries that we cannot use because they do not support Java 5. Also, we'd spare ourselves some efforts not having to support Java 5 anymore. The vote will run for 3 days and, if it succeeds, I will increase the minimum required Java version to 1.6. Jochen Kemnade: +1 (non-binding) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@tapestry.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@tapestry.apache.org -- ae | Andreas Ernst | IT Spektrum Postfach 5, 65612 Beselich Schupbacher Str. 32, 65614 Beselich, Germany Tel: +49-6484-91002 Fax: +49-6484-91003 a...@ae-online.de | www.ae-online.de www.tachyon-online.de - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@tapestry.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@tapestry.apache.org
Re: [VOTE] Drop support for Java 5 in Tapestry 5.4 (2nd attempt)
Kalle Korhonen: +1 (non-binding) On Sun, May 18, 2014 at 9:29 AM, Jochen Kemnade wrote: > There have been discussions whether we want to keep compatibility with > Java 5 for the upcoming 5.4 release. > Java 5 is EOSL since October 2009. > While requiring Java 6 would not bring us much benefits, there might be > some libraries that we cannot use because they do not support Java 5. > Also, we'd spare ourselves some efforts not having to support Java 5 > anymore. > The vote will run for 3 days and, if it succeeds, I will increase the > minimum required Java version to 1.6. > > Jochen Kemnade: +1 (non-binding) > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@tapestry.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@tapestry.apache.org > > >
[VOTE] Drop support for Java 5 in Tapestry 5.4 (2nd attempt)
There have been discussions whether we want to keep compatibility with Java 5 for the upcoming 5.4 release. Java 5 is EOSL since October 2009. While requiring Java 6 would not bring us much benefits, there might be some libraries that we cannot use because they do not support Java 5. Also, we'd spare ourselves some efforts not having to support Java 5 anymore. The vote will run for 3 days and, if it succeeds, I will increase the minimum required Java version to 1.6. Jochen Kemnade: +1 (non-binding) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@tapestry.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@tapestry.apache.org signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
