Re: [b2g] Never again will I buy a ZTE anymore.
Hi jerzra, I see the point of that. I wonder how that decoupling will play with the rocket-bar (I believe the idea is to remove the browser completely and make it ubiquitous or something like that). I could be misunderstanding what the plans and timelines are. On 2014-04-15, 5:49 PM, jezra wrote: I would say that step 1 is to uncouple the single most important application from the OS and put it in the market place so that users aren't beholden to OEMs for updates to the browser. There is already a ticket for this. https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=973372 On Tue, 15 Apr 2014 10:10:12 -0400 Armen Zambrano G. arme...@mozilla.com wrote: Hi Max, Adrian, I agree that the situation is less than ideal, however, this is not what things will be like forever. I want to point out, that Firefox OS coming out on 2013 was a 1.0 release. That means that a lot of sacrifices had to made to hit the schedule. The mobile industry is very demanding specifically with schedules. There's a saying in software development which is you have to get to 1.0 to even be able to ship a 2.0. It is very unfortunate that early adopters have to face these difficulties; knowing that you're supporting us and trusting something very dear to you (your phone and personal time if not more than that). As you can probably imagine, dealing with EOMs is not easy. The mobile industry in general is not easy. It is very cut-throat and don't necessarily look towards long-term support. As far as I know, Mozilla is here to change things for the sake of the public. There is a limit on how much we can influence the industry, however, we have already seen a lot of changes which eventually will percolate to the end-users (e.g. EOMs working in open issues rather than behind closed doors or contributing code to an open source initiative). I don't know how to help you in this specific issue, however, look for the Let's fix updates thread in this mailing thread. I assume good stuff will come out of it. Thank you for supporting the open web and I hope that a way to help you can come out of all the conversations. sincerely yours, Armen On 2014-04-14, 7:46 AM, maxrottenkol...@googlemail.com wrote: I can only wholeheartedly agree with adrian on this. What i expected from fxos was one thing primarily: a good web browser. Instead i get this excuse of a firefox that: * can not be upgraded * can not be configured * does not run adblock * crashes on 80% of all websites i get weekly updates for marketplace and wikipedia. I couldnt care less. -- Zambrano Gasparnian, Armen (armenzg) Mozilla Senior Release Engineer https://mozillians.org/en-US/u/armenzg/ http://armenzg.blogspot.ca ___ dev-b2g mailing list dev-b2g@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/dev-b2g
Re: [b2g] Never again will I buy a ZTE anymore.
Hi Jezra, I don't know really know what is the path forward or the scope of the rocket bar. On 2014-04-16, 12:34 PM, jezra wrote: Armen, I'm a ZTE Open owner so I don't have access to firefoxos images that contain the rocket bar. However, if the bar is anything like the v1.1 search bar on the homescreen that I never use and I can't remove and replace with what I want, then I hope the rocket bar gets decoupled as well so that I as a user can remove it from my device. On Wed, 16 Apr 2014 08:23:46 -0400 Armen Zambrano G. arme...@mozilla.com wrote: Hi jerzra, I see the point of that. I wonder how that decoupling will play with the rocket-bar (I believe the idea is to remove the browser completely and make it ubiquitous or something like that). I could be misunderstanding what the plans and timelines are. On 2014-04-15, 5:49 PM, jezra wrote: I would say that step 1 is to uncouple the single most important application from the OS and put it in the market place so that users aren't beholden to OEMs for updates to the browser. There is already a ticket for this. https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=973372 On Tue, 15 Apr 2014 10:10:12 -0400 Armen Zambrano G. arme...@mozilla.com wrote: Hi Max, Adrian, I agree that the situation is less than ideal, however, this is not what things will be like forever. I want to point out, that Firefox OS coming out on 2013 was a 1.0 release. That means that a lot of sacrifices had to made to hit the schedule. The mobile industry is very demanding specifically with schedules. There's a saying in software development which is you have to get to 1.0 to even be able to ship a 2.0. It is very unfortunate that early adopters have to face these difficulties; knowing that you're supporting us and trusting something very dear to you (your phone and personal time if not more than that). As you can probably imagine, dealing with EOMs is not easy. The mobile industry in general is not easy. It is very cut-throat and don't necessarily look towards long-term support. As far as I know, Mozilla is here to change things for the sake of the public. There is a limit on how much we can influence the industry, however, we have already seen a lot of changes which eventually will percolate to the end-users (e.g. EOMs working in open issues rather than behind closed doors or contributing code to an open source initiative). I don't know how to help you in this specific issue, however, look for the Let's fix updates thread in this mailing thread. I assume good stuff will come out of it. Thank you for supporting the open web and I hope that a way to help you can come out of all the conversations. sincerely yours, Armen On 2014-04-14, 7:46 AM, maxrottenkol...@googlemail.com wrote: I can only wholeheartedly agree with adrian on this. What i expected from fxos was one thing primarily: a good web browser. Instead i get this excuse of a firefox that: * can not be upgraded * can not be configured * does not run adblock * crashes on 80% of all websites i get weekly updates for marketplace and wikipedia. I couldnt care less. -- Zambrano Gasparnian, Armen (armenzg) Mozilla Senior Release Engineer https://mozillians.org/en-US/u/armenzg/ http://armenzg.blogspot.ca ___ dev-b2g mailing list dev-b2g@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/dev-b2g
Re: [b2g] Never again will I buy a ZTE anymore.
Armen, I'm a ZTE Open owner so I don't have access to firefoxos images that contain the rocket bar. However, if the bar is anything like the v1.1 search bar on the homescreen that I never use and I can't remove and replace with what I want, then I hope the rocket bar gets decoupled as well so that I as a user can remove it from my device. On Wed, 16 Apr 2014 08:23:46 -0400 Armen Zambrano G. arme...@mozilla.com wrote: Hi jerzra, I see the point of that. I wonder how that decoupling will play with the rocket-bar (I believe the idea is to remove the browser completely and make it ubiquitous or something like that). I could be misunderstanding what the plans and timelines are. On 2014-04-15, 5:49 PM, jezra wrote: I would say that step 1 is to uncouple the single most important application from the OS and put it in the market place so that users aren't beholden to OEMs for updates to the browser. There is already a ticket for this. https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=973372 On Tue, 15 Apr 2014 10:10:12 -0400 Armen Zambrano G. arme...@mozilla.com wrote: Hi Max, Adrian, I agree that the situation is less than ideal, however, this is not what things will be like forever. I want to point out, that Firefox OS coming out on 2013 was a 1.0 release. That means that a lot of sacrifices had to made to hit the schedule. The mobile industry is very demanding specifically with schedules. There's a saying in software development which is you have to get to 1.0 to even be able to ship a 2.0. It is very unfortunate that early adopters have to face these difficulties; knowing that you're supporting us and trusting something very dear to you (your phone and personal time if not more than that). As you can probably imagine, dealing with EOMs is not easy. The mobile industry in general is not easy. It is very cut-throat and don't necessarily look towards long-term support. As far as I know, Mozilla is here to change things for the sake of the public. There is a limit on how much we can influence the industry, however, we have already seen a lot of changes which eventually will percolate to the end-users (e.g. EOMs working in open issues rather than behind closed doors or contributing code to an open source initiative). I don't know how to help you in this specific issue, however, look for the Let's fix updates thread in this mailing thread. I assume good stuff will come out of it. Thank you for supporting the open web and I hope that a way to help you can come out of all the conversations. sincerely yours, Armen On 2014-04-14, 7:46 AM, maxrottenkol...@googlemail.com wrote: I can only wholeheartedly agree with adrian on this. What i expected from fxos was one thing primarily: a good web browser. Instead i get this excuse of a firefox that: * can not be upgraded * can not be configured * does not run adblock * crashes on 80% of all websites i get weekly updates for marketplace and wikipedia. I couldnt care less. ___ dev-b2g mailing list dev-b2g@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/dev-b2g
Re: [b2g] Never again will I buy a ZTE anymore.
Le 16/04/2014 18:34, jezra a écrit : Armen, I'm a ZTE Open owner so I don't have access to firefoxos images that contain the rocket bar. However, if the bar is anything like the v1.1 search bar on the homescreen that I never use and I can't remove and replace with what I want, then I hope the rocket bar gets decoupled as well so that I as a user can remove it from my device. The rocket bar is basically making that search bar actually useful for everybody. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ dev-b2g mailing list dev-b2g@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/dev-b2g
Re: [b2g] Never again will I buy a ZTE anymore.
Hopefully the scope includes the ability for owners/users to remove the bar. Not having the option to use my device the way I want to is extremely frustrating. Currently, someone else has made the decision for me in regards to how I should use my device; and that is definitely not user friendly. Yes, there is a ticket for this as well https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=968500 On Wed, 16 Apr 2014 12:39:22 -0400 Armen Zambrano Gasparnian arme...@mozilla.com wrote: Hi Jezra, I don't know really know what is the path forward or the scope of the rocket bar. On 2014-04-16, 12:34 PM, jezra wrote: Armen, I'm a ZTE Open owner so I don't have access to firefoxos images that contain the rocket bar. However, if the bar is anything like the v1.1 search bar on the homescreen that I never use and I can't remove and replace with what I want, then I hope the rocket bar gets decoupled as well so that I as a user can remove it from my device. On Wed, 16 Apr 2014 08:23:46 -0400 Armen Zambrano G. arme...@mozilla.com wrote: Hi jerzra, I see the point of that. I wonder how that decoupling will play with the rocket-bar (I believe the idea is to remove the browser completely and make it ubiquitous or something like that). I could be misunderstanding what the plans and timelines are. On 2014-04-15, 5:49 PM, jezra wrote: I would say that step 1 is to uncouple the single most important application from the OS and put it in the market place so that users aren't beholden to OEMs for updates to the browser. There is already a ticket for this. https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=973372 On Tue, 15 Apr 2014 10:10:12 -0400 Armen Zambrano G. arme...@mozilla.com wrote: Hi Max, Adrian, I agree that the situation is less than ideal, however, this is not what things will be like forever. I want to point out, that Firefox OS coming out on 2013 was a 1.0 release. That means that a lot of sacrifices had to made to hit the schedule. The mobile industry is very demanding specifically with schedules. There's a saying in software development which is you have to get to 1.0 to even be able to ship a 2.0. It is very unfortunate that early adopters have to face these difficulties; knowing that you're supporting us and trusting something very dear to you (your phone and personal time if not more than that). As you can probably imagine, dealing with EOMs is not easy. The mobile industry in general is not easy. It is very cut-throat and don't necessarily look towards long-term support. As far as I know, Mozilla is here to change things for the sake of the public. There is a limit on how much we can influence the industry, however, we have already seen a lot of changes which eventually will percolate to the end-users (e.g. EOMs working in open issues rather than behind closed doors or contributing code to an open source initiative). I don't know how to help you in this specific issue, however, look for the Let's fix updates thread in this mailing thread. I assume good stuff will come out of it. Thank you for supporting the open web and I hope that a way to help you can come out of all the conversations. sincerely yours, Armen On 2014-04-14, 7:46 AM, maxrottenkol...@googlemail.com wrote: I can only wholeheartedly agree with adrian on this. What i expected from fxos was one thing primarily: a good web browser. Instead i get this excuse of a firefox that: * can not be upgraded * can not be configured * does not run adblock * crashes on 80% of all websites i get weekly updates for marketplace and wikipedia. I couldnt care less. ___ dev-b2g mailing list dev-b2g@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/dev-b2g
Re: [b2g] Never again will I buy a ZTE anymore.
Can users remove the rocket-bar and have a homescreen with launchers of the users choosing? On Wed, 16 Apr 2014 19:09:11 +0200 Julien Wajsberg jwajsb...@mozilla.com wrote: Le 16/04/2014 18:34, jezra a écrit : Armen, I'm a ZTE Open owner so I don't have access to firefoxos images that contain the rocket bar. However, if the bar is anything like the v1.1 search bar on the homescreen that I never use and I can't remove and replace with what I want, then I hope the rocket bar gets decoupled as well so that I as a user can remove it from my device. The rocket bar is basically making that search bar actually useful for everybody. signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ dev-b2g mailing list dev-b2g@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/dev-b2g
Re: [b2g] Never again will I buy a ZTE anymore.
Since the rocketbar is a tightly integrated part of the OS, the primary navigation, its going to be hard to make user replaceable, part of designing an operating system is deciding how people are going to use it, it is of course possible to fork gaia and build an alternative UI And we are hoping the rocketbar will be a huge improvement over the current search implementation, of course would be happy for people to try it out as we work on it and give feedback / contribute Also I share your disappointment with the currently available devices, There is a reference device that in the works that hopefully vastly improves the situation - https://blog.mozilla.org/blog/2014/02/23/new-developer-hardware-and-tools-show-firefox-os-ecosystem-momentum-2/ Cheers Dale On 16 April 2014 18:16, jezra je...@jezra.net wrote: Can users remove the rocket-bar and have a homescreen with launchers of the users choosing? On Wed, 16 Apr 2014 19:09:11 +0200 Julien Wajsberg jwajsb...@mozilla.com wrote: Le 16/04/2014 18:34, jezra a écrit : Armen, I'm a ZTE Open owner so I don't have access to firefoxos images that contain the rocket bar. However, if the bar is anything like the v1.1 search bar on the homescreen that I never use and I can't remove and replace with what I want, then I hope the rocket bar gets decoupled as well so that I as a user can remove it from my device. The rocket bar is basically making that search bar actually useful for everybody. ___ dev-b2g mailing list dev-b2g@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/dev-b2g ___ dev-b2g mailing list dev-b2g@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/dev-b2g
Re: [b2g] Never again will I buy a ZTE anymore.
The rocket bar doesn't need to be replaceable, it needs to be removable; which in my opinion, would be the biggest improvement to the current search bar. Forcing the users to always have a certain application on their homescreen removes the user's choice of how they want to use the homescreen. Decisions such as this should be left up to the users. On Wed, 16 Apr 2014 22:03:54 +0100 Dale Harvey d...@arandomurl.com wrote: Since the rocketbar is a tightly integrated part of the OS, the primary navigation, its going to be hard to make user replaceable, part of designing an operating system is deciding how people are going to use it, it is of course possible to fork gaia and build an alternative UI And we are hoping the rocketbar will be a huge improvement over the current search implementation, of course would be happy for people to try it out as we work on it and give feedback / contribute Also I share your disappointment with the currently available devices, There is a reference device that in the works that hopefully vastly improves the situation - https://blog.mozilla.org/blog/2014/02/23/new-developer-hardware-and-tools-show-firefox-os-ecosystem-momentum-2/ Cheers Dale On 16 April 2014 18:16, jezra je...@jezra.net wrote: Can users remove the rocket-bar and have a homescreen with launchers of the users choosing? On Wed, 16 Apr 2014 19:09:11 +0200 Julien Wajsberg jwajsb...@mozilla.com wrote: Le 16/04/2014 18:34, jezra a écrit : Armen, I'm a ZTE Open owner so I don't have access to firefoxos images that contain the rocket bar. However, if the bar is anything like the v1.1 search bar on the homescreen that I never use and I can't remove and replace with what I want, then I hope the rocket bar gets decoupled as well so that I as a user can remove it from my device. The rocket bar is basically making that search bar actually useful for everybody. ___ dev-b2g mailing list dev-b2g@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/dev-b2g ___ dev-b2g mailing list dev-b2g@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/dev-b2g
Re: [b2g] Never again will I buy a ZTE anymore.
Hi Max, Adrian, I agree that the situation is less than ideal, however, this is not what things will be like forever. I want to point out, that Firefox OS coming out on 2013 was a 1.0 release. That means that a lot of sacrifices had to made to hit the schedule. The mobile industry is very demanding specifically with schedules. There's a saying in software development which is you have to get to 1.0 to even be able to ship a 2.0. It is very unfortunate that early adopters have to face these difficulties; knowing that you're supporting us and trusting something very dear to you (your phone and personal time if not more than that). As you can probably imagine, dealing with EOMs is not easy. The mobile industry in general is not easy. It is very cut-throat and don't necessarily look towards long-term support. As far as I know, Mozilla is here to change things for the sake of the public. There is a limit on how much we can influence the industry, however, we have already seen a lot of changes which eventually will percolate to the end-users (e.g. EOMs working in open issues rather than behind closed doors or contributing code to an open source initiative). I don't know how to help you in this specific issue, however, look for the Let's fix updates thread in this mailing thread. I assume good stuff will come out of it. Thank you for supporting the open web and I hope that a way to help you can come out of all the conversations. sincerely yours, Armen On 2014-04-14, 7:46 AM, maxrottenkol...@googlemail.com wrote: I can only wholeheartedly agree with adrian on this. What i expected from fxos was one thing primarily: a good web browser. Instead i get this excuse of a firefox that: * can not be upgraded * can not be configured * does not run adblock * crashes on 80% of all websites i get weekly updates for marketplace and wikipedia. I couldnt care less. -- Zambrano Gasparnian, Armen (armenzg) Mozilla Senior Release Engineer https://mozillians.org/en-US/u/armenzg/ http://armenzg.blogspot.ca ___ dev-b2g mailing list dev-b2g@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/dev-b2g
Re: [b2g] Never again will I buy a ZTE anymore.
I would say that step 1 is to uncouple the single most important application from the OS and put it in the market place so that users aren't beholden to OEMs for updates to the browser. There is already a ticket for this. https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=973372 On Tue, 15 Apr 2014 10:10:12 -0400 Armen Zambrano G. arme...@mozilla.com wrote: Hi Max, Adrian, I agree that the situation is less than ideal, however, this is not what things will be like forever. I want to point out, that Firefox OS coming out on 2013 was a 1.0 release. That means that a lot of sacrifices had to made to hit the schedule. The mobile industry is very demanding specifically with schedules. There's a saying in software development which is you have to get to 1.0 to even be able to ship a 2.0. It is very unfortunate that early adopters have to face these difficulties; knowing that you're supporting us and trusting something very dear to you (your phone and personal time if not more than that). As you can probably imagine, dealing with EOMs is not easy. The mobile industry in general is not easy. It is very cut-throat and don't necessarily look towards long-term support. As far as I know, Mozilla is here to change things for the sake of the public. There is a limit on how much we can influence the industry, however, we have already seen a lot of changes which eventually will percolate to the end-users (e.g. EOMs working in open issues rather than behind closed doors or contributing code to an open source initiative). I don't know how to help you in this specific issue, however, look for the Let's fix updates thread in this mailing thread. I assume good stuff will come out of it. Thank you for supporting the open web and I hope that a way to help you can come out of all the conversations. sincerely yours, Armen On 2014-04-14, 7:46 AM, maxrottenkol...@googlemail.com wrote: I can only wholeheartedly agree with adrian on this. What i expected from fxos was one thing primarily: a good web browser. Instead i get this excuse of a firefox that: * can not be upgraded * can not be configured * does not run adblock * crashes on 80% of all websites i get weekly updates for marketplace and wikipedia. I couldnt care less. ___ dev-b2g mailing list dev-b2g@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/dev-b2g
Re: [b2g] Never again will I buy a ZTE anymore.
воскресенье, 13 апреля 2014 г., 5:53:51 UTC+11 пользователь Ernesto Acosta написал: It is intolerable lack of communication that exists with ZTE. It is intolerable that offer little support to ZTE Open, to the point that they have not even given an official explanation of why updates have not gone. In social networks ZTE only promotes and supports for their Android phones. Now there's a comment on the net that says that ZTE will not give more support to ZTE Open. Honestly, never, I will buy another product from ZTE, at least FirefoxOS included. I stay with my ZTE Open because I have no choice, but the next think about buying a Geekphone or any other phone to go on sale FirefoxOS if they sell any. Absolutely agree. ZTE ubnormally support ZTE Open, now start preorder of ZTE Open C - not think then many users buy this. Zte had a chance to make great reputation in community, but lost it. ___ dev-b2g mailing list dev-b2g@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/dev-b2g
Re: [b2g] Never again will I buy a ZTE anymore.
I can only wholeheartedly agree with adrian on this. What i expected from fxos was one thing primarily: a good web browser. Instead i get this excuse of a firefox that: * can not be upgraded * can not be configured * does not run adblock * crashes on 80% of all websites i get weekly updates for marketplace and wikipedia. I couldnt care less. ___ dev-b2g mailing list dev-b2g@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/dev-b2g
Re: [b2g] Never again will I buy a ZTE anymore.
On 12 April 2014 20:53, Ernesto Acosta elavdevelo...@gmail.com wrote: It is intolerable lack of communication that exists with ZTE. It is intolerable that offer little support to ZTE Open, to the point that they have not even given an official explanation of why updates have not gone. I think only 1.1 was official from ZTE . 1.2 on a drop box folder wouldn't count . Inari nightly builds for 1.3 and 1.4 are not official , they have hit a roadblock and stopped :( https://groups.google.com/d/topic/mozilla.dev.b2g/yw-DZEIah8A/discussion has no proper replies either from the community,mozilla or ZTE :( Also at bugzilla there are no replies https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=986004 I stay with my ZTE Open because I have no choice, but the next think about buying a Geekphone or any other phone to go on sale FirefoxOS if they sell any. Geeksphone devices are called as B2G devices which is a sad development , but there is some developer push from the early adopters who purchased the devices like keon or peak. Revolution a dual boot intel device comes with android by default but is a good device by specs. Regards, Pavithran -- pavithran sakamuri http://look-pavi.blogspot.com ___ dev-b2g mailing list dev-b2g@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/dev-b2g
Re: [b2g] Never again will I buy a ZTE anymore.
I believe the worst company is LG. There is no support LG Fireweb (lack of: updates and official information about the device) and I can't flash my own images. So, those who own the device are stuck on Firefox OS 1.1. I have also an Alcatel One Touch Fire. I don't have official updates for now, but I can build and flash my own images. Bruno On 12-04-2014 15:53, Ernesto Acosta wrote: It is intolerable lack of communication that exists with ZTE. It is intolerable that offer little support to ZTE Open, to the point that they have not even given an official explanation of why updates have not gone. In social networks ZTE only promotes and supports for their Android phones. Now there's a comment on the net that says that ZTE will not give more support to ZTE Open. Honestly, never, I will buy another product from ZTE, at least FirefoxOS included. I stay with my ZTE Open because I have no choice, but the next think about buying a Geekphone or any other phone to go on sale FirefoxOS if they sell any. ___ dev-b2g mailing list dev-b2g@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/dev-b2g ___ dev-b2g mailing list dev-b2g@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/dev-b2g
Re: [b2g] Never again will I buy a ZTE anymore.
On 4/12/14, 2:53 PM, Ernesto Acosta wrote: It is intolerable lack of communication that exists with ZTE. It is intolerable that offer little support to ZTE Open, to the point that they have not even given an official explanation of why updates have not gone. In social networks ZTE only promotes and supports for their Android phones. Now there's a comment on the net that says that ZTE will not give more support to ZTE Open. Honestly, never, I will buy another product from ZTE, at least FirefoxOS included. I stay with my ZTE Open because I have no choice, but the next think about buying a Geekphone or any other phone to go on sale FirefoxOS if they sell any. ___ dev-b2g mailing list dev-b2g@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/dev-b2g Hey, Bummer that you are having a bad time with a Firefox OS device. I know that it is totally frustrating to have one's phone, our most intimate device, not feel reliable and not be a joy to use. The blame, however, does not lie solely, or perhaps even at all, with ZTE. My own feeling is that the blame for lack of communication, explanation, and support lies much closer to home. While I originally blamed the hardware providers like you are doing, I now believe that Firefox OS itself, and Mozilla, deserve the core of the blame. The fundamental irony of Firefox OS is that Mozilla builds the *only* operating system on which the Firefox browser runs where that Firefox browser CAN NOT BE UPGRADED! Building a Firefox OS where the browser (i.e. the entire Gecko layer, not the 'browser' app) could be updated by end users would solve most of your issues: you would get an up to date browser environment and would be able to install the new version of the core Gaia apps. Conversely, the current situation, where you can not even install security updates to Gecko, leaves you and all of us users, vulnerable to any security flaws discovered in the software. This situation is also terrible for app developers since we are going to have to code either to the lowest common system (Firefox 18 if I remember correctly) or to support the multiple browser versions on the different devices using duplicate code. The situation also sucks for Mozilla developers because they will not be getting their great work out to the largest possible audience. This is lose, lose, lose. This design flaw, as best as I can tell, is purely architectural; there appears to be no fundamental technical limitation which would prevent such updates to Gecko. (The technical limitation of support for new Web API which depend on operating system level code changes is real and would require an upgrade to the operating system itself which is more complex and may or may not involve device manufacturer support; however, those API represent a small issue compared to security updates, updates to the core HTML/CSS/Js execution environment, and updates to the main Gaia applications which ought to be as regular as updates to the Firefox browser on any other, i.e. 'desktop', OS.) The design flaw preventing Gecko upgrades on Firefox OS is Mozilla's; the lack of a response to that flaw is also Mozilla's. A good response to your issue would be to acknowledge it and explain the various ways in which it is being addressed. However, there is no one on the Firefox OS team who has taken on the responsibility to foster communication between end users and the project leadership. This is a failure of the the leaders of the project who should either be doing that work or delegating it to make sure it gets done. We end users can not simply solve this on our own: developing a clean architectural separation between Gaia and Gonk requires a complete knowledge of both the multiple code layers and of the Android+B2G build system, something that only the whole project, working together, can achieve. The (re)focus on fixing your issue is also the responsibility of the leadership. A good response to your issue would be for the leadership to make sure communication around the issue happened, a decision was made as to how to go about fixing the issue, and the project stayed focused on fixing that complex and central issue. Instead, the Firefox OS project seems to be a bunch of separate code teams, each doing great work building new features and better applications but leaving the core issues unaddressed. (I have a long email set to go out to the Board of the Mozilla Foundation on this issue of the lack of effective communication, leadership, and end-user focus in the Firefox OS project since the board members are the only ones that I know of who could assess the project to see if my analysis makes sense and deal with it if I am right; however, that letter is on hold until the CEO and board situation settles down.) This of course does not help you, an end user and probably a developer. I only encourage you to see that it is as
[b2g] Never again will I buy a ZTE anymore.
It is intolerable lack of communication that exists with ZTE. It is intolerable that offer little support to ZTE Open, to the point that they have not even given an official explanation of why updates have not gone. In social networks ZTE only promotes and supports for their Android phones. Now there's a comment on the net that says that ZTE will not give more support to ZTE Open. Honestly, never, I will buy another product from ZTE, at least FirefoxOS included. I stay with my ZTE Open because I have no choice, but the next think about buying a Geekphone or any other phone to go on sale FirefoxOS if they sell any. ___ dev-b2g mailing list dev-b2g@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/dev-b2g
