New pastebin service on paste.fedoraproject.org
I'm not sure if this is the right mailing list for this issue. Basically, the paste.fedoraproject.org site has been recently changed, and it's basically useless for me now. This screenshot shows the issue: https://people.freedesktop.org/~hughsient/temp/Screenshot%20from%202017-02-23%2016-38-52.png My frustration is that with all the beautifully designed CSS and padded chrome around everything we can only fit 22 lines of actual text on the screen. That's about half of the lines that I can get when using http://pastebin.com and a third of what I can get with https://paste.opensuse.org. The paste URLs from the latter are also https://paste.opensuse.org/53391866 (35 chars) compared to https://paste.fedoraproject.org/paste/3epoM9U0i4oKyPlw7Z6nfl5M1UNdIGYhyRLivL9gydE= (82 chars) I find myself no longer using paste.fedoraproject.org -- it can't just be me being a grumpy old man, can it? Am I holding it wrong? Richard. ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: New pastebin service on paste.fedoraproject.org
On Thu, 2017-02-23 at 16:47 +, Richard Hughes wrote: > I'm not sure if this is the right mailing list for this issue. > Basically, the paste.fedoraproject.org site has been recently changed, > and it's basically useless for me now. This screenshot shows the > issue: > https://people.freedesktop.org/~hughsient/temp/Screenshot%20from%202017-02-23%2016-38-52.png > > My frustration is that with all the beautifully designed CSS and > padded chrome around everything we can only fit 22 lines of actual > text on the screen. That's about half of the lines that I can get when > using http://pastebin.com and a third of what I can get with > https://paste.opensuse.org. The paste URLs from the latter are also > https://paste.opensuse.org/53391866 (35 chars) compared to > https://paste.fedoraproject.org/paste/3epoM9U0i4oKyPlw7Z6nfl5M1UNdIGYhyRLivL9gydE= > (82 chars) > > I find myself no longer using paste.fedoraproject.org -- it can't just > be me being a grumpy old man, can it? Am I holding it wrong? You get a shortened URL when you create a paste with the CLI tool. Can't help with the layout, but I use vertically oriented screens so it doesn't bother me. :P -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Twitter: AdamW_Fedora | XMPP: adamw AT happyassassin . net http://www.happyassassin.net ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: New pastebin service on paste.fedoraproject.org
Le 23/02/2017 à 17:52, Adam Williamson a écrit : > On Thu, 2017-02-23 at 16:47 +, Richard Hughes wrote: >> I'm not sure if this is the right mailing list for this issue. >> Basically, the paste.fedoraproject.org site has been recently changed, >> and it's basically useless for me now. This screenshot shows the >> issue: >> https://people.freedesktop.org/~hughsient/temp/Screenshot%20from%202017-02-23%2016-38-52.png >> >> My frustration is that with all the beautifully designed CSS and >> padded chrome around everything we can only fit 22 lines of actual >> text on the screen. That's about half of the lines that I can get when >> using http://pastebin.com and a third of what I can get with >> https://paste.opensuse.org. The paste URLs from the latter are also >> https://paste.opensuse.org/53391866 (35 chars) compared to >> https://paste.fedoraproject.org/paste/3epoM9U0i4oKyPlw7Z6nfl5M1UNdIGYhyRLivL9gydE= >> (82 chars) >> >> I find myself no longer using paste.fedoraproject.org -- it can't just >> be me being a grumpy old man, can it? Am I holding it wrong? > > You get a shortened URL when you create a paste with the CLI tool. > Can't help with the layout, but I use vertically oriented screens so it > doesn't bother me. :P > And fpaste command in broken in EPEL https://bugzilla.redhat.com/1426322 Remi ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: New pastebin service on paste.fedoraproject.org
On Thu, 23 Feb 2017 16:47:45 + Richard Hughes wrote: > I'm not sure if this is the right mailing list for this issue. Probibly not. The infrastructure one would be better, but oh well. > Basically, the paste.fedoraproject.org site has been recently changed, > and it's basically useless for me now. This screenshot shows the > issue: > https://people.freedesktop.org/~hughsient/temp/Screenshot%20from%202017-02-23%2016-38-52.png > > My frustration is that with all the beautifully designed CSS and > padded chrome around everything we can only fit 22 lines of actual > text on the screen. That's about half of the lines that I can get when > using http://pastebin.com and a third of what I can get with > https://paste.opensuse.org. So, some of that could be our theme, which is already being discussed at: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/issue/5816 You could chime in there and see if things could be made more compact. Or it could be an upstream issue (yea for having an upstream again!): Looking at their demo site: https://demo.modernpaste.com/ it does seem the layout is pretty set. So, perhaps you could ask them to make things more compact there? https://github.com/LINKIWI/modern-paste/issues The paste URLs from the latter are also > https://paste.opensuse.org/53391866 (35 chars) compared to > https://paste.fedoraproject.org/paste/3epoM9U0i4oKyPlw7Z6nfl5M1UNdIGYhyRLivL9gydE= > (82 chars) If you use the command line 'fpaste' util it gives you a shortened url. We have been discussing how to also include that in the web side. > > I find myself no longer using paste.fedoraproject.org -- it can't just > be me being a grumpy old man, can it? Am I holding it wrong? Well, it's change and everyone dislikes that. I hope we can convince upstream to make changes that our users (like yourself) wish so it's nice for everyone. kevin pgpiIU1kIAV6H.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: New pastebin service on paste.fedoraproject.org
On Thu, Feb 23, 2017 at 04:47:45PM +, Richard Hughes wrote: > I'm not sure if this is the right mailing list for this issue. > Basically, the paste.fedoraproject.org site has been recently changed, > and it's basically useless for me now. This screenshot shows the > issue: > https://people.freedesktop.org/~hughsient/temp/Screenshot%20from%202017-02-23%2016-38-52.png > > My frustration is that with all the beautifully designed CSS and > padded chrome around everything we can only fit 22 lines of actual > text on the screen. That's about half of the lines that I can get when > using http://pastebin.com and a third of what I can get with > https://paste.opensuse.org. The paste URLs from the latter are also > https://paste.opensuse.org/53391866 (35 chars) compared to > https://paste.fedoraproject.org/paste/3epoM9U0i4oKyPlw7Z6nfl5M1UNdIGYhyRLivL9gydE= > (82 chars) > > I find myself no longer using paste.fedoraproject.org -- it can't just > be me being a grumpy old man, can it? Am I holding it wrong? I agree with the url being too long. About the sizes, you can alway append '/raw' in the end of the URL or use --rawurl on fpaste. I am not aware of the details on why we moved to this new paste, but I also agree that we do not need a fancy website for that and maybe that was not the reason we moved. -- Athos Ribeiro http://www.ime.usp.br/~athoscr ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: New pastebin service on paste.fedoraproject.org
On 23 February 2017 at 11:47, Richard Hughes wrote: > I'm not sure if this is the right mailing list for this issue. > Basically, the paste.fedoraproject.org site has been recently changed, > and it's basically useless for me now. This screenshot shows the > issue: > https://people.freedesktop.org/~hughsient/temp/Screenshot%20from%202017-02-23%2016-38-52.png > > My frustration is that with all the beautifully designed CSS and > padded chrome around everything we can only fit 22 lines of actual > text on the screen. That's about half of the lines that I can get when > using http://pastebin.com and a third of what I can get with > https://paste.opensuse.org. The paste URLs from the latter are also > https://paste.opensuse.org/53391866 (35 chars) compared to > https://paste.fedoraproject.org/paste/3epoM9U0i4oKyPlw7Z6nfl5M1UNdIGYhyRLivL9gydE= > (82 chars) > > I find myself no longer using paste.fedoraproject.org -- it can't just > be me being a grumpy old man, can it? Am I holding it wrong? > So there are multiple things that you don't seem aware about going on here. 1. The code bases for most pastebins are Norwegian parrots. Trying to find one that was maintained and in a code base we use was not simple. 2. Pastebins are a security code nightmare. Hackers like to figure out ways to stick their crap into them all the time just to send someone to pown them. If you don't have regular maintenance upstream it is all on you. The opensuse pastebin would probably be a lot of patching on their side. 3. Pastebins are a nightmare to run. The daily scans by pirates and command and control systems looking for child porn is a pain in the ass to deal with and have to be responsible for. For every legitimate user there are 8 or nine systems which like to dump everything from personal threats to credit card info to child porn. 4. The problem with the short code pastebins is that every C&C bots do brute force searches for the threats, credit cards, child porn and ip addresses of infected systems. This way they don't have to actually talk to their systems they use an indirect channel which allows them to be less likely caught. Yes the modernpaste system we are using has some major issues.. but the previous one was a nightmare to run, the other ones on the market are not great either. And with an active upstream we have a chance of getting things fixed. This isn't a "you have to put up and use what we give you".. if this ones does not meet your needs please use one that does. If the service can't be fixed and doesn't work overall it was a good try and its time to retire it. > Richard. > ___ > devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org > To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org -- Stephen J Smoogen. ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: New pastebin service on paste.fedoraproject.org
I only get 21 lines. I'm know nothing about web page design and even less about image editing as you'll see but the attached pic seems like what I would do placement wise. Does it give away too much horizontal space for vertical screen users? Could it detect orientation and choose this one for horizontal only? On Thu, Feb 23, 2017 at 11:20 AM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > On Thu, 23 Feb 2017 16:47:45 + > Richard Hughes wrote: > > > I'm not sure if this is the right mailing list for this issue. > > Probibly not. The infrastructure one would be better, but oh well. > > > Basically, the paste.fedoraproject.org site has been recently changed, > > and it's basically useless for me now. This screenshot shows the > > issue: > > https://people.freedesktop.org/~hughsient/temp/ > Screenshot%20from%202017-02-23%2016-38-52.png > > > > My frustration is that with all the beautifully designed CSS and > > padded chrome around everything we can only fit 22 lines of actual > > text on the screen. That's about half of the lines that I can get when > > using http://pastebin.com and a third of what I can get with > > https://paste.opensuse.org. > > So, some of that could be our theme, which is already being discussed > at: > https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/issue/5816 > You could chime in there and see if things could be made more compact. > > Or it could be an upstream issue (yea for having an upstream again!): > Looking at their demo site: > https://demo.modernpaste.com/ > it does seem the layout is pretty set. So, perhaps you could ask them > to make things more compact there? > https://github.com/LINKIWI/modern-paste/issues > > The paste URLs from the latter are also > > https://paste.opensuse.org/53391866 (35 chars) compared to > > https://paste.fedoraproject.org/paste/3epoM9U0i4oKyPlw7Z6nfl5M1UNdIG > YhyRLivL9gydE= > > (82 chars) > > If you use the command line 'fpaste' util it gives you a shortened url. > We have been discussing how to also include that in the web side. > > > > I find myself no longer using paste.fedoraproject.org -- it can't just > > be me being a grumpy old man, can it? Am I holding it wrong? > > Well, it's change and everyone dislikes that. I hope we can convince > upstream to make changes that our users (like yourself) wish so it's > nice for everyone. > > kevin > > ___ > devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org > To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org > > ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: New pastebin service on paste.fedoraproject.org
On Thu, 2017-02-23 at 08:52 -0800, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Thu, 2017-02-23 at 16:47 +, Richard Hughes wrote: > > I'm not sure if this is the right mailing list for this issue. > > Basically, the paste.fedoraproject.org site has been recently > > changed, > > and it's basically useless for me now. This screenshot shows the > > issue: https://people.freedesktop.org/~hughsient/temp/Screenshot%20 > > from%202017-02-23%2016-38-52.png > > > > My frustration is that with all the beautifully designed CSS and > > padded chrome around everything we can only fit 22 lines of actual > > text on the screen. That's about half of the lines that I can get > > when > > using http://pastebin.com and a third of what I can get with > > https://paste.opensuse.org. The paste URLs from the latter are also > > https://paste.opensuse.org/53391866 (35 chars) compared to > > https://paste.fedoraproject.org/paste/3epoM9U0i4oKyPlw7Z6nfl5M1UNdI > > GYhyRLivL9gydE= > > (82 chars) > > > > I find myself no longer using paste.fedoraproject.org -- it can't > > just > > be me being a grumpy old man, can it? Am I holding it wrong? > > You get a shortened URL when you create a paste with the CLI tool. That's actually a significant improvement with the new paste tool! :) The short URLs have been broken before and it has been a pain to type the full URL from environments where copy past does not work (console of a running Fedora installation, etc.). > Can't help with the layout, but I use vertically oriented screens so > it > doesn't bother me. :P ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: New pastebin service on paste.fedoraproject.org
On Thu, Feb 23, 2017 at 1:29 PM Athos Ribeiro . I am not aware > of the details on why we moved to this new paste, but I also agree that > we do not need a fancy website for that and maybe that was not the > reason we moved. > Seems pretty obvious it was done to get a more maintainable upstream project. Rahul ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: New pastebin service on paste.fedoraproject.org
On 23 February 2017 at 17:56, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: > 2. Pastebins are a security code nightmare. Sure, agreed. > This isn't a "you have to put up and use what we give you".. if this > ones does not meet your needs please use one that does. If the service > can't be fixed and doesn't work overall it was a good try and its time > to retire it. I think a lot of the issues could be fixed just making the theme a lot more compact. I mean, there are 5 layers of header and a footer, which could easily be condensed down into 2 header layers and a much smaller footer. Richard. ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: New pastebin service on paste.fedoraproject.org
On Thu, 23 Feb 2017 12:20:10 -0600 Keith Keith wrote: > I only get 21 lines. I'm know nothing about web page design and even > less about image editing as you'll see but the attached pic seems > like what I would do placement wise. Does it give away too much > horizontal space for vertical screen users? Could it detect > orientation and choose this one for horizontal only? Seems like a pretty plausible thing to suggest to upstream and discuss with them. ;) kevin pgpSMESuoaHzG.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: New pastebin service on paste.fedoraproject.org
On Thu, 23 Feb 2017 18:32:05 + Rahul Sundaram wrote: > On Thu, Feb 23, 2017 at 1:29 PM Athos Ribeiro . I am not aware > > > of the details on why we moved to this new paste, but I also agree > > that we do not need a fancy website for that and maybe that was not > > the reason we moved. > > > > Seems pretty obvious it was done to get a more maintainable upstream > project. Yeah. We wanted something that had: * An active upstream project (sticky-notes, our old pastebin was explicitly no longer maintained by it's upsteam). * Prefer python (since thats what most of our other apps are using and we know it. modernpaste uses python-flask). * Something we could package in Fedora/EPEL. (Since modernpaste was flask based, it wasn't too hard to package up). Again, hopefully we can work with upstream and adjust things to make folks happy. kevin pgpjJ1vK13U54.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: New pastebin service on paste.fedoraproject.org
Yes, also notice that there's a lot of empty space to the right. On Thu, 2017-02-23 at 12:20 -0600, Keith Keith wrote: > I only get 21 lines. I'm know nothing about web page design and even > less about image editing as you'll see but the attached pic seems > like what I would do placement wise. Does it give away too much > horizontal space for vertical screen users? Could it detect > orientation and choose this one for horizontal only? > > On Thu, Feb 23, 2017 at 11:20 AM, Kevin Fenzi > wrote: > > On Thu, 23 Feb 2017 16:47:45 + > > > > Richard Hughes wrote: > > > > > > > > > I'm not sure if this is the right mailing list for this issue. > > > > > > > > Probibly not. The infrastructure one would be better, but oh well. > > > > > > > > > Basically, the paste.fedoraproject.org site has been recently > > changed, > > > > > and it's basically useless for me now. This screenshot shows the > > > > > issue: > > > > > https://people.freedesktop.org/~hughsient/temp/Screenshot%20from% > > 202017-02-23%2016-38-52.png > > > > > > > > > > My frustration is that with all the beautifully designed CSS and > > > > > padded chrome around everything we can only fit 22 lines of > > actual > > > > > text on the screen. That's about half of the lines that I can get > > when > > > > > using http://pastebin.com and a third of what I can get with > > > > > https://paste.opensuse.org. > > > > > > > > So, some of that could be our theme, which is already being > > discussed > > > > at: > > > > https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/issue/5816 > > > > You could chime in there and see if things could be made more > > compact. > > > > > > > > Or it could be an upstream issue (yea for having an upstream > > again!): > > > > Looking at their demo site: > > > > https://demo.modernpaste.com/ > > > > it does seem the layout is pretty set. So, perhaps you could ask > > them > > > > to make things more compact there? > > > > https://github.com/LINKIWI/modern-paste/issues > > > > > > > > The paste URLs from the latter are also > > > > > https://paste.opensuse.org/53391866 (35 chars) compared to > > > > > https://paste.fedoraproject.org/paste/3epoM9U0i4oKyPlw7Z6nfl5M1UN > > dIGYhyRLivL9gydE= > > > > > (82 chars) > > > > > > > > If you use the command line 'fpaste' util it gives you a shortened > > url. > > > > We have been discussing how to also include that in the web side. > > > > > > > > > > I find myself no longer using paste.fedoraproject.org -- it can't > > just > > > > > be me being a grumpy old man, can it? Am I holding it wrong? > > > > > > > > Well, it's change and everyone dislikes that. I hope we can > > convince > > > > upstream to make changes that our users (like yourself) wish so > > it's > > > > nice for everyone. > > > > > > > > kevin > > > > > > ___ > > > > devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org > > > > To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org > > > > > > ___ > devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org > To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org