Re: Schedule for Wednesday's FESCo Meeting (2013-11-06)

2013-11-06 Thread Toshio Kuratomi
On Wed, Nov 06, 2013 at 03:52:11PM +, Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 06, 2013 at 07:16:23AM -0800, Toshio Kuratomi wrote:
> > On Wed, Nov 06, 2013 at 01:05:22PM +, Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
> > > On Tue, Nov 05, 2013 at 10:19:12PM -0800, Toshio Kuratomi wrote:
> > > > #topic #1193 reboots for all updates -- are we ready for this?
> > > > .fesco 1193
> > > > https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1193
> > > 
> > > Didn't this terrible idea die already?
> > >
> > Do you have a link to the discussion/decision for this?
> > 
> > I've been looking around for the prior discussion and thus far I've found:
> > https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/869
> > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F18_release_announcement?stF18#For_systems_administrators
> > 
> > (Base feature approved for F18.)
> 
> Previous discussion:
> 
> https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel/2012-June/thread.html#168689
> 
> https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel/2013-February/thread.html#178112
> 
Thanks.

Those seem to be discussion of the cons and pros, though, rather than
a decision.  So the discussion is relevant in that one of the important
compromise points was that previously it only applied to a subset of
updates but nothing says that the idea was "dead" as in rejected for
Fedora, correct?

In other words, I just want to make sure status quo before AppInstaller is
that Offline Updates are live on Fedora's Gnome Desktop but only for "OS
Components"?

-Toshio


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Re: Schedule for Wednesday's FESCo Meeting (2013-11-06)

2013-11-06 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 06.11.2013 16:50, schrieb drago01:
> On Wednesday, November 6, 2013, Reindl Harald wrote:
> 
> Am 06.11.2013 16:43, schrieb drago01:
> > On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 2:05 PM, Richard W.M. Jones  > wrote:
> >> On Tue, Nov 05, 2013 at 10:19:12PM -0800, Toshio Kuratomi wrote:
> >>> #topic #1193 reboots for all updates -- are we ready for this?
> >>> .fesco 1193
> >>> https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1193
> >>
> >> Didn't this terrible idea die already?  Please don't do this.
> >
> > You somehow pressed send before finishing the part where you explain
> > why it is terrible
> 
> this was explained thousand times on this list the last few months
> 
> [citation needed] 

why?

you are not new on this list, so grab your archive and
stop delete any mail instantly after read it, this was
discussed the last few days

look at the thread "gnome software shell search provider"



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Re: Schedule for Wednesday's FESCo Meeting (2013-11-06)

2013-11-06 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Wed, Nov 06, 2013 at 04:43:18PM +0100, drago01 wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 2:05 PM, Richard W.M. Jones  wrote:
> > On Tue, Nov 05, 2013 at 10:19:12PM -0800, Toshio Kuratomi wrote:
> >> #topic #1193 reboots for all updates -- are we ready for this?
> >> .fesco 1193
> >> https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1193
> >
> > Didn't this terrible idea die already?  Please don't do this.
> 
> You somehow pressed send before finishing the part where you explain
> why it is terrible.

I did it already in this thread a year ago:

https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel/2012-June/thread.html#168689

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Re: Schedule for Wednesday's FESCo Meeting (2013-11-06)

2013-11-06 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Wed, Nov 06, 2013 at 07:16:23AM -0800, Toshio Kuratomi wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 06, 2013 at 01:05:22PM +, Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
> > On Tue, Nov 05, 2013 at 10:19:12PM -0800, Toshio Kuratomi wrote:
> > > #topic #1193 reboots for all updates -- are we ready for this?
> > > .fesco 1193
> > > https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1193
> > 
> > Didn't this terrible idea die already?
> >
> Do you have a link to the discussion/decision for this?
> 
> I've been looking around for the prior discussion and thus far I've found:
> https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/869
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F18_release_announcement?stF18#For_systems_administrators
> 
> (Base feature approved for F18.)

Previous discussion:

https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel/2012-June/thread.html#168689

https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel/2013-February/thread.html#178112

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Re: Schedule for Wednesday's FESCo Meeting (2013-11-06)

2013-11-06 Thread drago01
On Wednesday, November 6, 2013, Reindl Harald wrote:

>
>
> Am 06.11.2013 16:43, schrieb drago01:
> > On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 2:05 PM, Richard W.M. Jones 
> > >
> wrote:
> >> On Tue, Nov 05, 2013 at 10:19:12PM -0800, Toshio Kuratomi wrote:
> >>> #topic #1193 reboots for all updates -- are we ready for this?
> >>> .fesco 1193
> >>> https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1193
> >>
> >> Didn't this terrible idea die already?  Please don't do this.
> >
> > You somehow pressed send before finishing the part where you explain
> > why it is terrible
>
> this was explained thousand times on this list the last few months
>

[citation needed]
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Re: Schedule for Wednesday's FESCo Meeting (2013-11-06)

2013-11-06 Thread Reindl Harald


Am 06.11.2013 16:43, schrieb drago01:
> On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 2:05 PM, Richard W.M. Jones  wrote:
>> On Tue, Nov 05, 2013 at 10:19:12PM -0800, Toshio Kuratomi wrote:
>>> #topic #1193 reboots for all updates -- are we ready for this?
>>> .fesco 1193
>>> https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1193
>>
>> Didn't this terrible idea die already?  Please don't do this.
> 
> You somehow pressed send before finishing the part where you explain
> why it is terrible

this was explained thousand times on this list the last few months



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Re: Schedule for Wednesday's FESCo Meeting (2013-11-06)

2013-11-06 Thread drago01
On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 2:05 PM, Richard W.M. Jones  wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 05, 2013 at 10:19:12PM -0800, Toshio Kuratomi wrote:
>> #topic #1193 reboots for all updates -- are we ready for this?
>> .fesco 1193
>> https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1193
>
> Didn't this terrible idea die already?  Please don't do this.

You somehow pressed send before finishing the part where you explain
why it is terrible.
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Re: Schedule for Wednesday's FESCo Meeting (2013-11-06)

2013-11-06 Thread Toshio Kuratomi
On Wed, Nov 06, 2013 at 01:05:22PM +, Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 05, 2013 at 10:19:12PM -0800, Toshio Kuratomi wrote:
> > #topic #1193 reboots for all updates -- are we ready for this?
> > .fesco 1193
> > https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1193
> 
> Didn't this terrible idea die already?
>
Do you have a link to the discussion/decision for this?

I've been looking around for the prior discussion and thus far I've found:
https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/869
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F18_release_announcement?stF18#For_systems_administrators

(Base feature approved for F18.)

-Toshio


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Re: Schedule for Wednesday's FESCo Meeting (2013-11-06)

2013-11-06 Thread Toshio Kuratomi
On Wed, Nov 06, 2013 at 07:38:18AM -0500, Jaroslav Reznik wrote:
> 
> Please, add also 
> 
> #topic #1191 Fedora 20 schedule adjustment
> .fesco 1191
> https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1191
> 
Added.

I scheduled this in right after the OpenH264 ticket because it also needs to
be decided on in a timely fashion.

-Toshio


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Re: Schedule for Wednesday's FESCo Meeting (2013-11-06)

2013-11-06 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Tue, Nov 05, 2013 at 10:19:12PM -0800, Toshio Kuratomi wrote:
> #topic #1193 reboots for all updates -- are we ready for this?
> .fesco 1193
> https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1193

Didn't this terrible idea die already?  Please don't do this.

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Re: Schedule for Wednesday's FESCo Meeting (2013-11-06)

2013-11-06 Thread Jaroslav Reznik
- Original Message -
> Following is the list of topics that will be discussed in the FESCo
> meeting Wednesday at 18:00UTC in #fedora-meeting on irc.freenode.net.
> 
> To convert UTC to your local time, take a look at
>   http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/UTCHowto
> 
> or run:
>   date -d '2013-11-06 18:00 UTC'
> 
> 
> Links to all tickets below can be found at:
> https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/report/9
> 
> = Followups =
> 
> #topic #1185 Enable "-Werror=format-security" by default
> .fesco 1185
> https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1185
> 
> = New business =
> 
> #topic #1192 OpenH264 as an automatic download by firefox/Statement to the
> ietf WebRTC working group
> .fesco 1192
> https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1192
> 
> #topic #1193 reboots for all updates -- are we ready for this?
> .fesco 1193
> https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1193
> 
> #topic #1188 Stalled bug 560361 -- requesting intervention
> .fesco 1188
> https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1188
> 
> .bug 560361
> Dhclient doesn't use client-identifier; may cause issues in certain bridged
> environments
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=560361
> 
> 
> #topic #1189 Stalled bug 758826 -- requesting intervention
> .fesco 1189
> https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1189
> 
> .bug 758826
> system-config-firewall should include 'submission' in list of known ports
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=758826
> 
> 
> #topic #1194 Ratify Server Working Group governance charter
> .fesco 1194
> https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1194

Please, add also 

#topic #1191 Fedora 20 schedule adjustment
.fesco 1191
https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1191

Thanks
Jaroslav

> = Open Floor =
> 
> For more complete details, please visit each individual ticket.  The
> report of the agenda items can be found at
> https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/report/9
> 
> If you would like to add something to this agenda, you can reply to
> this e-mail, file a new ticket at https://fedorahosted.org/fesco,
> e-mail me directly, or bring it up at the end of the meeting, during
> the open floor topic. Note that added topics may be deferred until
> the following meeting.
> 
> -Toshio
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