AW: [digitalradio] Echolink Re: Ham HF networking digital communication systems
No no no echolink is a system to connect different hams together via internet but not as a messenger It is for audio and you can connect your radio to your pc and walk through your city and others can talk to you even if they are on the other side of the world .. okay only the last mile is ham radio (if you are not on your keyboard) but it is a hamradio tool .. that´s WHAT I THINK about echolink . You thoughts may be different .. Sigi Dg9bfc _ Von: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com [mailto:digitalra...@yahoogroups.com] Im Auftrag von Dan Hensley Gesendet: Dienstag, 24. November 2009 20:26 An: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Betreff: Re: [digitalradio] Echolink Re: Ham HF networking digital communication systems Echolink is just another computer messenger. Echolink is not ham radio, it has no place in ham radio, and fails the test even as a tool of ham radio. Echolink is for those who can't figure out how to make a real radio work! --- On Tue, 11/24/09, expeditionradio mailto:expeditionradio%40yahoo.com> yahoo.com> wrote: From: expeditionradio mailto:expeditionradio%40yahoo.com> yahoo.com> Subject: [digitalradio] Echolink Re: Ham HF networking digital communication systems To: digitalradio@ <mailto:digitalradio%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, November 24, 2009, 7:02 AM Hi Sigi, Yes, Echolink is a wonderful example of a modern networked radio communication system. Can you please tell me which HF frequencies and modes in europe you use to ring up your friend with echolink? How can you ring up your friend day and night with it on HF? Does anyone have a multi-band HF node on Echolink? I ran an HF-SSB voice echolink node for over a year, on 5371.5kHz and 18157.5kHz. It was fun and useful. Over 1000 hams used it during that year. Some of the more interesting QSOs on it were the ones with the most distant and unusual situations.. . such as: A european ham on holiday, walking along a beach in Canary Islands on a 2m FM HT, talking with an american ham hiking with a PRC-1099 manpack on 20W SSB 18MHz in Colorado USA. But of course, all the connections were manual operation with voice calling. Echolink lacked the key signaling and alerting feature to ring up someone if they were not listening to the speaker. It also lacked "remote PTT", so it had to be manually monitored, the old way. Perhaps the recent software updates have added new alert methods or remote PTT? The use of DTMF tones for signaling from end-to-end is not available in most systems due to many repeaters auto-muting DTMF. This makes it difficult to add any type of universal on-channel audio signalling. Bonnie VR2/KQ6XA > dg9bfc sigi wrote: > > > .snip Bonnie VR2/KQ6XA wrote: > > From our mobile phone, we can instantly call a friend > > on their mobile phone in a distant part of the world, > > and it will ring... Can you do the same thing with > >your ham radio? > > -snip > > Yes I can do .. with echolink but there is > something missing in the system > > It should be possible to connect to an echolink > node and tell the node that you are available > via this node (with dtmf tones) > > Something like the mybbs in the packet net . > .
AW: [digitalradio] Echolink Re: Ham HF networking digital communication systems
Snip... Can you please tell me which HF frequencies and modes in europe you use to ring up your friend with echolink? Snip.. Vhf and uhf . in germany there are so many nodes that even with a rubberduck and a ht you can access the system most of the time .. Snip.. I ran an HF-SSB voice echolink node for over a year, on 5371.5kHz and 18157.5kHz. It was fun and useful. Over 1000 hams used it during that year. Some of the more interesting QSOs on it were the ones with the most distant and unusual situations... such as: A european ham on holiday, walking along a beach in Canary Islands on a 2m FM HT, talking with an american ham hiking with a PRC-1099 manpack on 20W SSB 18MHz in Colorado USA. snip... Surely a lot of fun .. I sometimes did this on 80 and on topband for fun and replaying audio to others . Snip... The use of DTMF tones for signaling from end-to-end is not available in most systems due to many repeaters auto-muting DTMF. This makes it difficult to add any type of universal on-channel audio signalling. snip.. I do not wanna use dtmf for on channel signalling ... Just e number code that the echolink node knows YOUR nodenumber .. The number is normaly in the system when you connect via your home pc ... Now if you move trough the country your node pc is off or switched to -r or -l mode . (maybe for bringing another node on the air for other hams) so your normal number is not in the system.. With a special number (say your own number is 22334) for instance **99*22334 you tell the system that your number is 22334 and you are now in the area of the node where you played your number in and if any calls you the call should be forwarded (or a stored message of maybe 30sec. is store and forward to the node where you are and played to you) Everything is possible with only the dtmf tones on the rf side (not via internet audio) The other way is right . the dtmf tones MUST be muted via internet audio . or the system will not know if the tone is for the node where you connected or for the node that you are connected with... I am sure that this function is possible ... maybe with another number behind it for giving your MYNODEnumber a lifetime .. (**99*22334*(1-24)* for lifetime of 1 hour to one day max... So if you are on holiday somewhere ore are working somewhere in the country you have to tell the next available node your number and you are available with your homenodenumber ... So you do not have to connect your friends manually and tell them where you are now and what nodenumber you are connected with... that function would make echolink work as a cellphone (almost) No automatic roaming .. But a manual roaming .. If this would be implemented in the soft it would be only a small step to mute your receiver and have a dtmf receiver built in that rings when your number is transmitted from the node Next connect your car alarm horn to a relais .. just kidding ... But the other things I wrote are an idea how the system could be upgraded .. Just my 2 cents Dg9bfc Sigi Ps we should not make another and another and another system like echolink, wires, amfones, and the new d-star etc We should try to bring up a system on the air that is cheap, easy to work with, and can be used with a simple dtmf mic as the minimum requirement ... and upgrading echolink would be such a system .
Re: [digitalradio] Echolink Re: Ham HF networking digital communication systems
Echolink is just another computer messenger. Echolink is not ham radio, it has no place in ham radio, and fails the test even as a tool of ham radio. Echolink is for those who can't figure out how to make a real radio work! --- On Tue, 11/24/09, expeditionradio wrote: From: expeditionradio Subject: [digitalradio] Echolink Re: Ham HF networking digital communication systems To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, November 24, 2009, 7:02 AM Hi Sigi, Yes, Echolink is a wonderful example of a modern networked radio communication system. Can you please tell me which HF frequencies and modes in europe you use to ring up your friend with echolink? How can you ring up your friend day and night with it on HF? Does anyone have a multi-band HF node on Echolink? I ran an HF-SSB voice echolink node for over a year, on 5371.5kHz and 18157.5kHz. It was fun and useful. Over 1000 hams used it during that year. Some of the more interesting QSOs on it were the ones with the most distant and unusual situations.. . such as: A european ham on holiday, walking along a beach in Canary Islands on a 2m FM HT, talking with an american ham hiking with a PRC-1099 manpack on 20W SSB 18MHz in Colorado USA. But of course, all the connections were manual operation with voice calling. Echolink lacked the key signaling and alerting feature to ring up someone if they were not listening to the speaker. It also lacked "remote PTT", so it had to be manually monitored, the old way. Perhaps the recent software updates have added new alert methods or remote PTT? The use of DTMF tones for signaling from end-to-end is not available in most systems due to many repeaters auto-muting DTMF. This makes it difficult to add any type of universal on-channel audio signalling. Bonnie VR2/KQ6XA > dg9bfc sigi wrote: > > > ….snip Bonnie VR2/KQ6XA wrote: > > From our mobile phone, we can instantly call a friend > > on their mobile phone in a distant part of the world, > > and it will ring... Can you do the same thing with > >your ham radio? > > -snip > > Yes I can do ….. with echolink … but there is > something missing in the system … > > It should be possible to connect to an echolink > node and tell the node that you are available > via this node (with dtmf tones) > > Something like the mybbs in the packet net …. > .
[digitalradio] Echolink Re: Ham HF networking digital communication systems
Hi Sigi, Yes, Echolink is a wonderful example of a modern networked radio communication system. Can you please tell me which HF frequencies and modes in europe you use to ring up your friend with echolink? How can you ring up your friend day and night with it on HF? Does anyone have a multi-band HF node on Echolink? I ran an HF-SSB voice echolink node for over a year, on 5371.5kHz and 18157.5kHz. It was fun and useful. Over 1000 hams used it during that year. Some of the more interesting QSOs on it were the ones with the most distant and unusual situations... such as: A european ham on holiday, walking along a beach in Canary Islands on a 2m FM HT, talking with an american ham hiking with a PRC-1099 manpack on 20W SSB 18MHz in Colorado USA. But of course, all the connections were manual operation with voice calling. Echolink lacked the key signaling and alerting feature to ring up someone if they were not listening to the speaker. It also lacked "remote PTT", so it had to be manually monitored, the old way. Perhaps the recent software updates have added new alert methods or remote PTT? The use of DTMF tones for signaling from end-to-end is not available in most systems due to many repeaters auto-muting DTMF. This makes it difficult to add any type of universal on-channel audio signalling. Bonnie VR2/KQ6XA > dg9bfc sigi wrote: > > > .snip Bonnie VR2/KQ6XA wrote: > > From our mobile phone, we can instantly call a friend > > on their mobile phone in a distant part of the world, > > and it will ring... Can you do the same thing with > >your ham radio? > > -snip > > Yes I can do .. with echolink but there is > something missing in the system > > It should be possible to connect to an echolink > node and tell the node that you are available > via this node (with dtmf tones) > > Something like the mybbs in the packet net . > .
