Re: [digitalradio] Re: I second the motion

2010-03-05 Thread Dave Ackrill
Mark T Egan wrote:
 Let's continue the experiment in the true spirit of HAM radio.
 So far no one has tabled an actual piece of legal document stating the 
 legality of the mode. So continue to use the mode until otherwise told.
 Mark (VK2KLJ)

I'm with you Mark,

Unfortunately I think that Jose now has to suffer yet more from various 
directions.

This is why I still point out that Jose is one person and the people who 
have taken against, in one form or another, are a multiple, so don't be 
surprised if the one seems to be raging against the many at times.

Even if Jose seems to raging against you remember that 'you' are now 
just one amongst many against him.

If the roles were reversed, how would 'you' feel against so many people 
who were, or seemed to be, against you?

Dave (G0DJA)


Re: [digitalradio] Re: I second the motion

2010-03-05 Thread Mike M
Dave -

I completely disagree with you.

You say 'you' are now just one amongst many against him.  Most of the
folks that Jose has been raging against on this list have actually been
trying to help him.

73,
Mike, KL7MJ


[digitalradio] Re: I second the motion

2010-03-03 Thread Mark T Egan
Let's continue the experiment in the true spirit of HAM radio.
So far no one has tabled an actual piece of legal document stating the legality 
of the mode. So continue to use the mode until otherwise told.
Mark (VK2KLJ)




On 04/03/2010, at 6:33 AM, pd4u_dares p...@hotmail.com wrote:

Oh ja... someone raises a supposed illegality, and Jose changed the discription 
BECAUSE of that SUPPOSED illegaly. And he is to blame... I think all of us are 
to blaim for this flaming thread. No one excluded.

So let's continue betatesting since we do not know if it illegal or not, in the 
through ham spirit.

We enjoy experiments as HAM's by definition of the 'ham spirit', isn't it? So 
let's leave the history of this debate to HAM radio historians, and await 
their official publication HI.

Marc


--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, KH6TY kh...@... wrote:

I really don't think there any ROS haters. ROS is a mode that is fun 
to use and works well. There may be some who complain that it interferes 
with the NCDXF beacon network, but the suggested frequency was then 
moved upward, in the true spirit of cooperation.

However, there is a misconception about those whose motives are only to 
obey the regulations they MUST live under, and the understandable need 
to clarify what is legal or not, so they do not risk penalties or 
citations for illegal operation.

The problem was created by the author himself by first posting a seven 
page document purportedly claiming it was FHSS (and in no uncertain 
terms!), and then totally revising the description to say it is 
actually FSK144 (at the suggestion of someone who said that would make 
it legal somehow). It was the author that first characterized that 
anyone who is not with me is against me and that anyone even 
questioning the legality of ROS should be banned ( such as myself) or 
punished ( locked out of using the mode by being singled out and 
included in a non grata list).

I do feel sympathy for Jose, and appreciation for his very fine work, 
but it was HIS mistake in the beginning and continuing to make more 
mistakes that made it even worse that has led to the current situation. 
He is not being banned by Andy, only not actively promoted, which I 
think is a totally appropriate and diplomatic response to the banning of 
others. Especially in an open forum and world of amateur radio, banning 
or punishing anyone for their stated opinions is simply unacceptable.

An apology from Jose might result in forgiveness from those harmed and 
we could then can get on with the job of either using the mode, or being 
sure we use it in accordance with our own administrations, or petition 
for use under whatever limitations are necessary to accomodate other 
users of the same bands in a cooperative manner.

73 - Skip KH6TY




pd4u_dares wrote:




--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com 
mailto:digitalradio%40yahoogroups.com, Toby Burnett ruffdog@ 
.. But to be honest I don'' t think I shall bother too now as there 
seems much to much grief happening from this.
Like I say, it seemed a fair experimental mode but it is wider than ..
It'd be nice to see something other than ROS comments on the digi 
reflector
group. For a change.


Yeah let's stop our support for ROS on this group as well as on K3UK's 
sked page... Let us created two camps: the ROS haters and the ROS 
lovers...the good guys and the bad guys, and all in the name of the 
ham radio spirit of course!!

:-O

Marc, PD4U









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