Re: [digitalradio] Recent regulation changes in USA
I hope none. CW ops, and PSK ops have little enough of their own bandwidth under the new rules, without having to go someplace else to be intefered with by wide modes. "Here is a more significant issue: Just because you can do something, doesn't necessarily mean you should do it. How many of us will continue to operate wide bandwith digital modes in the CW/Data areas? Especially, 80 and 40 which lost so much bandwidth for CW/Data?" Danny Douglas N7DC ex WN5QMX ET2US WA5UKR ET3USA SV0WPP VS6DD N7DC/YV5 G5CTB all DX 2-6 years each. moderator [EMAIL PROTECTED] Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to Telnet://cluster.dynalias.org Other areas of interest: The MixW Reflector : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themixwgroup/ DigiPol: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Digipol (band plan policy discussion) Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [digitalradio] Recent regulation changes in USA
The current rules restrict emissions in various requency segents by tye of information being transmitted (RTTY, data, phone, image) and usually allow either analog or digital transmission (this is the second character in the emission designator). 73, John KD6OZH . - Original Message - From: Danny Douglas To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 17:52 UTC Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Recent regulation changes in USA I would think so, since it is digital- and if it is over 500 hz. but I dontknow that much about that.Danny Douglas N7DCex WN5QMX ET2US WA5UKR ET3USASV0WPP VS6DD N7DC/YV5 G5CTB allDX 2-6 years each.moderator digital_modes@yahoogroups.com- Original Message - From: "kd4e" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]net>To: <digitalradio@yahoogroups.com>Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 11:42 PMSubject: Re: [digitalradio] Recent regulation changes in USA> > SSTV is NOT digital so should not be affected.> > Danny Douglas N7DC>> Would DSSTV be affected?>> -- >> Thanks! & 73,> doc, KD4E> ... somewhere in FL> URL: bibleseven (dot) com>>> Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to Telnet://cluster.dynalias.org>> Other areas of interest:>> The MixW Reflector : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themixwgroup/> DigiPol: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Digipol (band plan policydiscussion)>>> Yahoo! Groups Links>>>>>>> -- > No virus found in this incoming message.> Checked by AVG Free Edition.> Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.17/505 - Release Date:10/27/2006>> __._,_.___ Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to Telnet://cluster.dynalias.org Other areas of interest: The MixW Reflector : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themixwgroup/ DigiPol: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Digipol (band plan policy discussion) SPONSORED LINKS Ham radio Ham radio antenna Ham radio store Digital voice Digital voice recorder mp3 Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch to Fully Featured Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe __,_._,___
Re: [digitalradio] Recent regulation changes in USA
I specificly asked about Pactor III and was told that it would be illegal. This is why the ARRL is upset with the FCC. 73, John KD6OZH - Original Message - From: DuBose Walt Civ AETC CONS/LGCA To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 13:53 UTC Subject: RE: [digitalradio] Recent regulation changes in USA If this is so, then Pactor III, MT631K and MT63-2K and I suppose several other wide PSK modes will not be permitted.Walt/K5YFW-Original Message-From: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com [mailto:digitalradio@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of John B. StephensenSent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 5:54 AMTo: digitalradio@yahoogroups.comSubject: Re: [digitalradio] Recent regulation changes in USAThe ARRL told me that any data transmission mode (defined as computer to computer file transfer) wider than 500 Hz would be prohibited on all HF bands if the rules changes go into effect. Image transmission bandwidth is unchanged. They also said that they are working to convince the FCC to change the bandwidth restriction before the rules are published. What I'd like to see the FCC do is just have different bandwidth restrictions in different band segments with out restricting the content (data, image or voice).73,JohnKD6OZH- Original Message - From: Roger J. Buffington To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 03:57 UTCSubject: Re: [digitalradio] Recent regulation changes in USADo the recent FCC reg changes affect our ability to use 1Khz Olivia or SSTV? Are there any negative aspects to the changes that affect digital other than on 80M? Thanks, RJB.- --Roger, W6VZV __._,_.___ Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to Telnet://cluster.dynalias.org Other areas of interest: The MixW Reflector : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themixwgroup/ DigiPol: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Digipol (band plan policy discussion) SPONSORED LINKS Ham radio Ham radio antenna Ham radio store Digital voice Digital voice recorder mp3 Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch to Fully Featured Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe __,_._,___
Re: [digitalradio] Recent regulation changes in USA
Since SSTV would be "image," it can operate on the phone portions of the bands, whether digital or analog modulation. The same thing holds true with digital voice or analog voice since they are both "phone" and have equal status. At least the FCC has been clear on that. They also were clear on allowing image on the CW/Data portions of the bands as long as the bandwidth does not exceed 500 Hz. What they are not clear on is whether exisiting wide band modes can continue to operate on the CW/Data portions of the bands. Some say that the R&O says no. The Winlink 2000 spokesperson seemed to suggest that he has inside information that wide bandwidth modes such as Pactor 3 will still be able to operate. When I read the FCC R&O, it find comments in the document that seem to be saying things either way. Here is a more significant issue: Just because you can do something, doesn't necessarily mean you should do it. How many of us will continue to operate wide bandwith digital modes in the CW/Data areas? Especially, 80 and 40 which lost so much bandwidth for CW/Data? 73, Rick, KV9U kd4e wrote: >>SSTV is NOT digital so should not be affected. >>Danny Douglas N7DC >> >> > >Would DSSTV be affected? > > > Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to Telnet://cluster.dynalias.org Other areas of interest: The MixW Reflector : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themixwgroup/ DigiPol: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Digipol (band plan policy discussion) Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [digitalradio] Recent regulation changes in USA
For your info, this following is an excerpt from the Canadian regulations regarding bandwidth: to the best of my knowledge, there are no plans to change this. John VE5MU Printable Version RIC-2 - Standards for the Operation of Radio Stations in the Amateur Radio Service Schedule I - Frequency Bands and Bandwidths for Use by Amateur Stations Operating in Canada and in Region 2 Column I Column II Column III Column IV Item Frequency Band Maximum Bandwidth Operating Provisions Operator Qualifications 1 1.800 - 2.000 MHz 6 kHz B and 5, B/H, B&A 2 3.500 - 4.000 MHz 6 kHz B and 5, B/H, B&A 3 7.000 - 7.300 MHz 6 kHz B and 5, B/H, B&A 4 10.100 - 10.150 MHz 1 kHz B and 5, B/H, B&A 5 14.000 - 14.350 MHz 6 kHz B and 5, B/H, B&A 6 18.068 - 18.168 MHz 6 kHz B and 5, B/H, B&A 7 21.000 - 21.450 MHz 6 kHz B and 5, B/H, B&A 8 24.890 - 24.990 MHz 6 kHz B and 5, B/H, B&A 9 28.000 - 29.700 MHz 20 kHz B and 5, B/H, B&A 10 50.000 - 54.000 MHz 30 kHz B 11 144.000 - 148.000 MHz 30 kHz B 12 220.000 - 225.000 MHz 100 kHz B 13 430.000 - 450.000 MHz 12 MHz 1 B 14 902.000 - 928.000 MHz 12 MHz 1 B 15 1.240 - 1.300 GHz Not specified 1 B 16 2.300 - 2.450 GHz Not specified 1 B 17 3.300 - 3.500 GHz Not specified 1 B 18 5.650 - 5.925 GHz Not specified 1 B 19 10.000 - 10.500 GHz Not specified 1 B 20 24.000 - 24.050 GHz Not specified B 21 24.050 - 24.250 GHz Not specified 1 B 22 47.000 - 47.200 GHz Not specified B 23 75.500 - 76.000 GHz Not specified B 24 76.000 - 81.000 GHz Not specified 1 B 25 142.000 - 144.000 GHz Not specified B 26 144.000 - 149.000 GHz Not specified 1 B 27 241.000 - 248.000 GHz Not specified 1 B 28 248.000 - 250.000 GHz Not specified B Note: In Column III, "1" means that transmissions may not cause interference nor be protected from interference from stations licensed in other services operating in that band, and in Column IV, "B" means an Amateur Radio Operator Certificate with Basic Qualification, "B/H" means Basic with honours (score of 80% or above), "5" means an Amateur Radio Operator Certificate with Morse Code (5 w.p.m.) Qualification, and "A" means an Advanced Amateur Radio Operator Certificate. __._,_.___ Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to Telnet://cluster.dynalias.org Other areas of interest: The MixW Reflector : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themixwgroup/ DigiPol: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Digipol (band plan policy discussion) SPONSORED LINKS Ham radio Ham radio antenna Ham radio store Digital voice Digital voice recorder mp3 Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch to Fully Featured Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe __,_._,___
Re: [digitalradio] Recent regulation changes in USA
I would think so, since it is digital- and if it is over 500 hz. but I dont know that much about that. Danny Douglas N7DC ex WN5QMX ET2US WA5UKR ET3USA SV0WPP VS6DD N7DC/YV5 G5CTB all DX 2-6 years each. moderator [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: "kd4e" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 11:42 PM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Recent regulation changes in USA > > SSTV is NOT digital so should not be affected. > > Danny Douglas N7DC > > Would DSSTV be affected? > > -- > > Thanks! & 73, > doc, KD4E > ... somewhere in FL > URL: bibleseven (dot) com > > > Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to Telnet://cluster.dynalias.org > > Other areas of interest: > > The MixW Reflector : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themixwgroup/ > DigiPol: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Digipol (band plan policy discussion) > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.17/505 - Release Date: 10/27/2006 > > Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to Telnet://cluster.dynalias.org Other areas of interest: The MixW Reflector : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themixwgroup/ DigiPol: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Digipol (band plan policy discussion) Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [digitalradio] Recent regulation changes in USA
> SSTV is NOT digital so should not be affected. > Danny Douglas N7DC Would DSSTV be affected? -- Thanks! & 73, doc, KD4E ... somewhere in FL URL: bibleseven (dot) com Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to Telnet://cluster.dynalias.org Other areas of interest: The MixW Reflector : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themixwgroup/ DigiPol: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Digipol (band plan policy discussion) Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [digitalradio] Recent regulation changes in USA
SSTV is NOT digital so should not be affected. Danny Douglas N7DCex WN5QMX ET2US WA5UKR ET3USASV0WPP VS6DD N7DC/YV5 G5CTB allDX 2-6 years each.moderator [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: John B. Stephensen To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 6:53 AM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Recent regulation changes in USA The ARRL told me that any data transmission mode (defined as computer to computer file transfer) wider than 500 Hz would be prohibited on all HF bands if the rules changes go into effect. Image transmission bandwidth is unchanged. They also said that they are working to convince the FCC to change the bandwidth restriction before the rules are published. What I'd like to see the FCC do is just have different bandwidth restrictions in different band segments with out restricting the content (data, image or voice). 73, John KD6OZH - Original Message - From: Roger J. Buffington To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 03:57 UTC Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Recent regulation changes in USA Do the recent FCC reg changes affect our ability to use 1Khz Olivia or SSTV? Are there any negative aspects to the changes that affect digital other than on 80M? Thanks, RJB.- --Roger, W6VZV No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.17/505 - Release Date: 10/27/2006 __._,_.___ Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to Telnet://cluster.dynalias.org Other areas of interest: The MixW Reflector : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themixwgroup/ DigiPol: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Digipol (band plan policy discussion) SPONSORED LINKS Ham radio Ham radio antenna Ham radio store Digital voice Digital voice recorder mp3 Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch to Fully Featured Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe __,_._,___
RE: [digitalradio] Recent regulation changes in USA
If this is so, then Pactor III, MT631K and MT63-2K and I suppose several other wide PSK modes will not be permitted. Walt/K5YFW -Original Message- From: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of John B. Stephensen Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 5:54 AM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Recent regulation changes in USA The ARRL told me that any data transmission mode (defined as computer to computer file transfer) wider than 500 Hz would be prohibited on all HF bands if the rules changes go into effect. Image transmission bandwidth is unchanged. They also said that they are working to convince the FCC to change the bandwidth restriction before the rules are published. What I'd like to see the FCC do is just have different bandwidth restrictions in different band segments with out restricting the content (data, image or voice). 73, John KD6OZH - Original Message - From: Roger J. Buffington To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 03:57 UTC Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Recent regulation changes in USA Do the recent FCC reg changes affect our ability to use 1Khz Olivia or SSTV? Are there any negative aspects to the changes that affect digital other than on 80M? Thanks, RJB. - -- Roger, W6VZV Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to Telnet://cluster.dynalias.org Other areas of interest: The MixW Reflector : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themixwgroup/ DigiPol: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Digipol (band plan policy discussion) Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [digitalradio] Recent regulation changes in USA
Wide SSTV isn't affected by this, it can still be run in the phone bands as it is now. The 500 Hz limitation keeps it out of the digital bands. Anyway, despite the majority interpretation, I still don't think that the new rules will in fact eliminate the ability to run >500 Hz digital text modes. That all rests on what exactly is considered emission type F2D. Most seem to believe that this includes all of the digital text modes, but I don't think so. According to the ITU web site (you don't get more canonical than that), content type 'D' is "Data transmission, telemetry, [and] telecommand". Type 'B' (which isn't on the restricted list) is "Telegraphy - for automatic reception". So, it all comes down to what is or is not considered "data." It is already established that RTTY is {F,J}2B. My interpretation is that "data" refers to information to be stored in a file on a computer (including plain text format), and "telegraphy" is information (pure text only, no images or binary files) intended to be read on the spot by the recipient. BBSes are most likely in the business of handling data, so the mail handling stuff will be subject to the restriction no matter what mode they use. However, if you're just going keyboard-to-keyboard, 2 KHz Pactor III counts as 'telegraphy' and thus is legal. Cliff's notes: If you're going keyboard-to-keyboard, 1 KHz Olivia, MT63, Q15X25, Pactor III, et al. are mode J2*B*, and thus legal. I, for one, intend to keep using them until Riley himself tells me not to. -Joe, KD8ATU Roger J. Buffington wrote: > Do the recent FCC reg changes affect our ability to use 1Khz Olivia or > SSTV? Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to Telnet://cluster.dynalias.org Other areas of interest: The MixW Reflector : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themixwgroup/ DigiPol: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Digipol (band plan policy discussion) Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [digitalradio] Recent regulation changes in USA
The ARRL told me that any data transmission mode (defined as computer to computer file transfer) wider than 500 Hz would be prohibited on all HF bands if the rules changes go into effect. Image transmission bandwidth is unchanged. They also said that they are working to convince the FCC to change the bandwidth restriction before the rules are published. What I'd like to see the FCC do is just have different bandwidth restrictions in different band segments with out restricting the content (data, image or voice). 73, John KD6OZH - Original Message - From: Roger J. Buffington To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 03:57 UTC Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Recent regulation changes in USA Do the recent FCC reg changes affect our ability to use 1Khz Olivia or SSTV? Are there any negative aspects to the changes that affect digital other than on 80M? Thanks, RJB.- --Roger, W6VZV __._,_.___ Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to Telnet://cluster.dynalias.org Other areas of interest: The MixW Reflector : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themixwgroup/ DigiPol: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Digipol (band plan policy discussion) SPONSORED LINKS Ham radio Ham radio antenna Ham radio store Digital voice Digital voice recorder mp3 Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch to Fully Featured Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe __,_._,___
Re: [digitalradio] Recent regulation changes in USA
Do the recent FCC reg changes affect our ability to use 1Khz Olivia or SSTV? Are there any negative aspects to the changes that affect digital other than on 80M? Thanks, RJB. - -- Roger, W6VZV Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to Telnet://cluster.dynalias.org Other areas of interest: The MixW Reflector : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themixwgroup/ DigiPol: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Digipol (band plan policy discussion) Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/