[DNG] Xfce4 task uninstalled on upgrade to ascii

[Tom]

I've been having issues upgrading a standard Devuan Jessie install to
Ascii.  During upgrade, the task-xfce4-desktop package gets uninstalled and
can't be installed afterwards due to dependency problems.

Jessie has tasksel=3.33+devuan1.0 and Ascii has tasksel=3.33+devuan0.3
which is preventing task-xfce4-desktop from being installed in Ascii.  This
is also causing a number of xfce4-* and other packages to be marked as not
required and removable with apt-get autoremove.


# apt-cache policy tasksel
tasksel:
  Installed: 3.33+devuan1.0
  Candidate: 3.33+devuan1.0
  Version table:
 *** 3.33+devuan1.0 100
100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
 3.33+devuan0.3 500
500 http://auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged ascii/main amd64 Packages

# apt-cache policy task-xfce-desktop
task-xfce-desktop:
  Installed: (none)
  Candidate: 3.33+devuan0.3
  Version table:
 3.33+devuan0.3 500
500 http://auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged ascii/main amd64 Packages

# apt-get install task-xfce-desktop
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have
requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable
distribution that some required packages have not yet been created
or been moved out of Incoming.
The following information may help to resolve the situation:

The following packages have unmet dependencies:
 task-xfce-desktop : Depends: tasksel (= 3.33+devuan0.3) but 3.33+devuan1.0
is to be installed
 Depends: xfce4 but it is not going to be installed
 Recommends: xfce4-mixer but it is not installable
E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.


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Re: [DNG] new dbus packages for ASCII in experimental -- PLEASE HELP TESTING

[KatolaZ]

On Wed, Jun 14, 2017 at 09:59:45PM +0200, Massimiliano Baldinelli wrote:

[cut]

> 
> I booted today with the updated dbus (1.10.18-1+devuan2.2) and all is
> working until now.
> 
> Desktop is MATE 1.16.2, no login manager as I still use startx.
> 
> I also made a (very quick) test on a VM with ASCII + Enlightenment (e17),
> apparently no problem there, too.
> 
> All I said is referred to normal desktop usage (surfing the web, running
> vlc, watching some video on raiplay.it and youtube, etc.). If there's some
> more specific test to be done, please let me know :-)
> 
> Max.
> 


Thanks everybody for your reports (I have received several more in
private). We are moving the new dbus packages to ascii now, and close
the relevant issues and bugs as soon as they are merged by
amprolla.

HH

KatolaZ

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Re: [DNG] human reaable package index

[Ozi Traveller]

Yes I agree it would be nice.

I don't go through all the outer pages though. Usually just google "debian
slim package"  and go straight to the page

https://packages.debian.org/jessie/x11/slim

ozi

On Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 8:46 AM, Hendrik Boom 
wrote:

> On Wed, Jun 14, 2017 at 02:16:45PM -0400, fsmithred wrote:
> > On 06/13/2017 11:01 AM, goli...@dyne.org wrote:
> > > On 2017-06-13 06:59, aitor wrote:
> > >> Hi,
> > >>  On 06/12/2017 12:00 PM, Jaromil wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> On Sun, 11 Jun 2017, Hendrik Boom wrote:
> > >>>
> >  Debian has a useful page, https://www.debian.org/distrib/packages
> >  [1],
> >  which you get to via packages.debian.org
> > 
> >  Is there anything similar for devuan?
> > 
> >  https://www.devuan.org/distrib/packages [2] does not work.
> >  Nor does https://packages.devuan.org/ [3]
> > >>>
> > >>> indeed, we are lacking behind on this front.
> > >>>
> > >>> these were some past attempts lead by hellekin, but I think we may
> > >>> have to start from scratch. we shall discuss this in the next
> > >>> dev-meeting.
> > >>>
> > >>> ciao
> > >>
> > >>  The second one works for me.
> > >>
> > >>Aitor.
> > >>
> > >
> > > ---
> > >
> > > Yes, for me also
> > >
> > > golinux
> > > ___
> >
> >
> > There's also https://files.devuan.org/devuan_jessie/
> > Each iso has a corresponding package list file.
> >
> > The searchable web interface is nice. The one that Debian provides
> > conveniently also works for 99% of the packages in Devuan.
>
> Agreed.  So I use it.  But it doesn't tell me which packages belong to
> the 1% that isn't the same or doesn't have the same dependencies in
> Devuan.
>
> And sometimes I do want to know what packages are in ascii or ceres
> instead of the jessie that's specified in my sources.list file.
>
> Is it difficult to convert the packages.debian.org software that Deban
> uses?  Or is it just a matter of too many things to do?
>
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Re: [DNG] human reaable package index

[KatolaZ]

On Wed, Jun 14, 2017 at 06:46:24PM -0400, Hendrik Boom wrote:

[cut]

> 
> And sometimes I do want to know what packages are in ascii or ceres 
> instead of the jessie that's specified in my sources.list file.
> 
> Is it difficult to convert the packages.debian.org software that Deban 
> uses?  Or is it just a matter of too many things to do?
> 

Hi Hendrik,

we are having a go at providing something similar to the neat web
interface you see on packages.debian.org. The main problem in using
Debian's stuff is that it is pretty much entangled with several
infrastructure pieces that we are currently missing (tracker, qa, ...)
and some other pieces that we have replaced (e.g., buildd where we are
using jenkins, alioth where we are using gitlab, and so on...).

We discussed it and it might be actually easier to have something
simple, built from scratch, which is tailored to our own needs.  This
is the same strategy we have used so far for the BTS and for the
popularity contest: use what we can, simplify as much as we can, ditch
off bloats or redundant functionalities, and, overall, KISS.

Any help with that would be very much appreciated.

HND

KatolaZ

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Re: [DNG] human reaable package index

[Hendrik Boom]

On Wed, Jun 14, 2017 at 02:16:45PM -0400, fsmithred wrote:
> On 06/13/2017 11:01 AM, goli...@dyne.org wrote:
> > On 2017-06-13 06:59, aitor wrote:
> >> Hi,
> >>  On 06/12/2017 12:00 PM, Jaromil wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Sun, 11 Jun 2017, Hendrik Boom wrote:
> >>>
>  Debian has a useful page, https://www.debian.org/distrib/packages
>  [1],
>  which you get to via packages.debian.org
> 
>  Is there anything similar for devuan?
> 
>  https://www.devuan.org/distrib/packages [2] does not work.
>  Nor does https://packages.devuan.org/ [3]
> >>>
> >>> indeed, we are lacking behind on this front.
> >>>
> >>> these were some past attempts lead by hellekin, but I think we may
> >>> have to start from scratch. we shall discuss this in the next
> >>> dev-meeting.
> >>>
> >>> ciao
> >>
> >>  The second one works for me.
> >>
> >>Aitor.
> >>
> > 
> > ---
> > 
> > Yes, for me also
> > 
> > golinux
> > ___
> 
> 
> There's also https://files.devuan.org/devuan_jessie/
> Each iso has a corresponding package list file.
> 
> The searchable web interface is nice. The one that Debian provides
> conveniently also works for 99% of the packages in Devuan.

Agreed.  So I use it.  But it doesn't tell me which packages belong to 
the 1% that isn't the same or doesn't have the same dependencies in 
Devuan.

And sometimes I do want to know what packages are in ascii or ceres 
instead of the jessie that's specified in my sources.list file.

Is it difficult to convert the packages.debian.org software that Deban 
uses?  Or is it just a matter of too many things to do?

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Re: [DNG] new dbus packages for ASCII in experimental -- PLEASE HELP TESTING

[Massimiliano Baldinelli]

On 06/14/2017 09:06 AM, KatolaZ wrote:


Hi Max,

kernel version could be irrelevant, but which desktop manager you are
using should not be so.


I booted today with the updated dbus (1.10.18-1+devuan2.2) and all is 
working until now.


Desktop is MATE 1.16.2, no login manager as I still use startx.

I also made a (very quick) test on a VM with ASCII + Enlightenment 
(e17), apparently no problem there, too.


All I said is referred to normal desktop usage (surfing the web, running 
vlc, watching some video on raiplay.it and youtube, etc.). If there's 
some more specific test to be done, please let me know :-)


Max.

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Re: [DNG] human reaable package index

[fsmithred]

On 06/13/2017 11:01 AM, goli...@dyne.org wrote:
> On 2017-06-13 06:59, aitor wrote:
>> Hi,
>>  On 06/12/2017 12:00 PM, Jaromil wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, 11 Jun 2017, Hendrik Boom wrote:
>>>
 Debian has a useful page, https://www.debian.org/distrib/packages
 [1],
 which you get to via packages.debian.org

 Is there anything similar for devuan?

 https://www.devuan.org/distrib/packages [2] does not work.
 Nor does https://packages.devuan.org/ [3]
>>>
>>> indeed, we are lacking behind on this front.
>>>
>>> these were some past attempts lead by hellekin, but I think we may
>>> have to start from scratch. we shall discuss this in the next
>>> dev-meeting.
>>>
>>> ciao
>>
>>  The second one works for me.
>>
>>Aitor.
>>
> 
> ---
> 
> Yes, for me also
> 
> golinux
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There's also https://files.devuan.org/devuan_jessie/
Each iso has a corresponding package list file.

The searchable web interface is nice. The one that Debian provides
conveniently also works for 99% of the packages in Devuan.

fsmithred

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Re: [DNG] new dbus packages for ASCII in experimental -- PLEASE HELP TESTING

[mobinmob]

On 13/06/2017 02:39 μμ, KatolaZ wrote:


It would be great if somebody (better if "many-body" :P) could confirm
whether an upgrade from the current ascii version to those packages is
flawless or not.



Upgrade works without problems here (ASCII, kde, lightdm) :)


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Re: [DNG] new dbus packages for ASCII in experimental -- PLEASE HELP TESTING

[KatolaZ]

On Tue, Jun 13, 2017 at 11:22:20PM +0200, Massimiliano Baldinelli wrote:
> On 2017-06-13 11:39, KatolaZ wrote:
> 
> >It would be great if somebody (better if "many-body" :P) could confirm
> >whether an upgrade from the current ascii version to those packages is
> >flawless or not.
> 
> Ciao KatolaZ :)
> 
> Since I use testing I'm just installing it to give it a try. What system
> info should I include in my next reply (eg. kernel version, current desktop,
> and the like)
> 


Hi Max,

kernel version could be irrelevant, but which desktop manager you are
using should not be so.

Thanks

KatolaZ


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