Re: [DNG] What do we want for ascii ?

[Simon Walter]

On 04/22/2016 01:51 PM, Joel Roth wrote:

Didier Kryn wrote:

hellekin a écrit :

Does apulse serve for anything else than running non-free spyware?



 Probably not. The author states that his goal was to run Skype test
call, and after he achieved this goal, the project has just been stale.

The most recent commit is February this year, so that does
not meet my definition of "stale" even if the author uses
that term.
  

 Whatever you think of Skype - and I share your opinion - it is so widely
used that it is necessary for many people.

Skype for Linux, OTOH, *is* stale (and last time I checked was
tricky to install) AIUI intentionally so due to Microsoft's
special love for Linux.

As a workaround, I run Skype on my smartphone, which MS (and
their NSA buddies) can't ignore.



It's so refreshing that you all talk freely about this subject. In my 
social and professional circles it is taboo to even mention the NSA. 
People look at me like I am a "flatearther" when I simply quote the news.


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Re: [DNG] What do we want for ascii ?

[Joel Roth]

Didier Kryn wrote:
> hellekin a écrit :
> >Does apulse serve for anything else than running non-free spyware?
> >
> >
> Probably not. The author states that his goal was to run Skype test
> call, and after he achieved this goal, the project has just been stale.

The most recent commit is February this year, so that does
not meet my definition of "stale" even if the author uses
that term. 
 
> Whatever you think of Skype - and I share your opinion - it is so widely
> used that it is necessary for many people.

Skype for Linux, OTOH, *is* stale (and last time I checked was
tricky to install) AIUI intentionally so due to Microsoft's
special love for Linux. 

As a workaround, I run Skype on my smartphone, which MS (and
their NSA buddies) can't ignore.

Joel
 
> Didier

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Re: [DNG] Devuan Web A11y

[Herb Garcia]

Better to remove reference to links, than have bad links. It is good to know 
which are bad.

Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Droid
On Apr 21, 2016 10:36 AM, Rainer Weikusat  
wrote:
hellekin  writes:
> On 04/20/2016 07:55 PM, Rainer Weikusat wrote:
>>
>> Clicking on 'forked from Debian'
>>
>
> This is indeed one of the sections that remain to write.  Generalizing
> like you did is useless and misguiding.

I didn't 'generalize' anything.

Svante Signell wrote:

Nice page, next would be to populate the links with content,
right?

To which you replied:

Can you be more specific?  Did you *read* the contents of the
404 page you must have stumbled upon?  If so, you know what to
do.

The 404 page suggests that 'broken links etc' should be reported. Hence,
I went through all top-level links and posted the results:

Clicking on 'forked from Debian' yields a 'not found' page with the
following text:

[404 page text]

The "shouldn't happen" link goes to some portal registration
page. As does the 'devuan-www' issues link. As does the 'report
it to devuan www link'. The sitemap link renders the same 404
page.

The other two 2nd level package links go to the 404 page.

That's a specific (and not general) statement about a bunch of broken
links.


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Re: [DNG] Printing -- now even pdf works. I have no idea why.

[Hendrik Boom]

On Thu, Apr 21, 2016 at 03:18:10PM +0100, Rainer Weikusat wrote:
> Hendrik Boom  writes:
> > On Wed, Apr 20, 2016 at 05:43:10PM +0100, Rainer Weikusat wrote:
> >> Hendrik Boom  writes:
> >> 
> >> [Brother printer]
> >> 
> >> > I did manage to get the printer going.  I should have mentionned long 
> >> > ago what the final problem was.
> >> >
> >> > It turns out I was trying to print a pdf to a postscript printer.  I 
> >> > thought that pdf was a specialized form of postscript, the way inkscape 
> >> > files are a specialized form of svg.  Turns out that was  completely 
> >> > wrong.
> >> 
> >> This suggests that something is wrong with the driver/ input filter
> >> setup. That's supposed to convert the input file to something the
> >> printer understands. I can print PostScript, PDF and a number of kinds
> >> of files just fine.
> >
> > I'm using the driver from Brother, and lpr from lprng.  I found the 
> > lprng-doc package.  I suppose the next thing is to read it,
> 
> My (working) /etc/printcap looks like this:
> 
> DCP7010:\
> :mx=0:\
> :sd=/var/spool/lpd/DCP7010:\
> :sh:\
> :lp=/dev/usb/lp0:\
> :if=/usr/local/Brother/lpd/filterDCP7010:

And this is mine:

HL3170CDW:\
:mx=0:\
:sd=/var/spool/lpd/hl3170cdw:\
:sh:\
:lp=POSTSCRIPT_P1@172.25.1.15:\
:if=/opt/brother/Printers/hl3170cdw/lpd/filterhl3170cdw:

When I use lpr to feed it a postscript file, such as the following:

%! PRINTPS.CPP PostScript OUTPUT
/cour /Courier findfont 5 scalefont def
cour setfont gsave
%54 756 moveto (cd ~/sys/web/chimera-1.65) show
%54 751 moveto (test-chimera &) show
/cm 72 2.545 div def
% In theory should use 2.54 not 2.545, but this is more accurate on my printer.
/side cm 3 div def
/ssin side 2 div def
/ccos side 30 cos mul def
/vert { 0 side neg rmoveto 0 side rlineto } def
/rise { ccos ssin rlineto } def
/lower { ccos ssin neg rlineto } def
/hexbottom { lower rise } def
/bottomrow { gsave 0 side neg rmoveto
hexbottom  hexbottom  hexbottom  hexbottom  hexbottom  hexbottom  
hexbottom  hexbottom 
hexbottom  hexbottom  hexbottom  hexbottom  hexbottom  hexbottom  
hexbottom  hexbottom 
hexbottom  hexbottom  hexbottom  hexbottom  hexbottom  hexbottom  
hexbottom  hexbottom 
hexbottom  hexbottom  hexbottom  hexbottom  hexbottom  hexbottom  
hexbottom  hexbottom 
stroke grestore } def
/arc {vert rise lower } def 
/row {  arc arc arc arc arc arc arc arc
arc arc arc arc arc arc arc arc
arc arc arc arc arc arc arc arc
arc arc arc arc arc arc arc arc
vert } def
/lowrow {
gsave 0 side neg rmoveto lower stroke grestore
gsave row rise stroke grestore
} def
/highrow { gsave row stroke grestore } def
/2row { lowrow
ccos side ssin add rmoveto
highrow
ccos neg side ssin add rmoveto } def
newpath
54 54 moveto
0.25 setlinewidth 
bottomrow
2row 2row 2row 2row 2row 2row 2row 2row 2row 2row 2row 2row
2row 2row 2row 2row 2row 2row 2row 2row 2row 2row 2row 2row
showpage grestore

I get a lovely page of hexagons.

But if I try to print a pdf,

lpr grouptable.pdf

I get:

Hey! Surprise! Today it does print a pdf.  last time I tried it, it 
didn't.  Let me hope  that whatever was wrong has been fixed, and that 
I'm not just lucky today.

I did change the IP number in the printcap, because the printer's IP 
number has also changed (and it's now static, so I wn't have to do 
this again).  As far as I know, that shouldn't affect printability
pdf's, though.

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Re: [DNG] Printing -- now even pdf works. I have no idea why.

[Rainer Weikusat]

Hendrik Boom  writes:

[...]

> HL3170CDW:\
> :mx=0:\
> :sd=/var/spool/lpd/hl3170cdw:\
> :sh:\
> :lp=POSTSCRIPT_P1@172.25.1.15:\
  ^

This could be the magic fix as it's the name of a default Brother
printer queue (for accepting PostScript).
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Re: [DNG] Gcc issue?

[KatolaZ]

On Thu, Apr 21, 2016 at 07:27:06PM +0100, KatolaZ wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 21, 2016 at 02:15:52PM -0400, Steven W. Scott wrote:
> > Just curious, anyone else getting segfaults after compiling with gcc -O3
> > optimization flag on alpha 4? Same system, same code, same flags work ok on
> > Wheezy. If I back down to -O2 no problems.
> > 
> > I'm blaming gcc, but I was interested if anyone else had a similar
> > experience or insight as to what might be the issue.
> > 
> > I'm diggin XFCE btw, reminds me of gnome before it lost it's mind.
> > 
> 
> Which version of gcc? I am using 4.9 and 4.8 on Devuan, and I don't
> have a single problem. In my little experience, segfaults that
> disappear when changing compiling options (especially -O3 into -O2)
> often signal a well-concealed memory leak. But I might be totally
> wrong here...
> 

I accept the risk of looking pretentious now, but I believe that the
problem might most probably be in your code.

The simple reason is that the very same gcc has compiled at least 90%
of the software you are using in alpha4, and who knows how many other
millions of packages. So if there were any such bug in gcc, it would
have probably been hit by now, just out of pure probability...

Before going into finding gcc bugs, my humble suggestion is to give a
go to valgrind.

My2Cents

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[DNG] Gcc issue?

[Steven W. Scott]

Just curious, anyone else getting segfaults after compiling with gcc -O3
optimization flag on alpha 4? Same system, same code, same flags work ok on
Wheezy. If I back down to -O2 no problems.

I'm blaming gcc, but I was interested if anyone else had a similar
experience or insight as to what might be the issue.

I'm diggin XFCE btw, reminds me of gnome before it lost it's mind.

SWS
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Re: [DNG] Gcc issue?

[Steven W. Scott]

Thanks all for the input
. I'm definitely not ready to call it a bug, and always suspect my code
first, but this is a new one on me and I'm stumped. You have given me new
avenues to explore, and I am most appreciative.

SWS

On Thu, Apr 21, 2016 at 3:06 PM, Jaromil  wrote:

> On Thu, 21 Apr 2016, KatolaZ wrote:
>
> > Before going into finding gcc bugs, my humble suggestion is to give
> > a go to valgrind.
>
> It is a wise suggestion. All GNU C/C++ programmers should have several
> passes through valgrind on their code, this is should be perceived as
> a standard procedure.  Profiling with gprof is also recommended.
>
> Our resident programmer :^) Edbarx has noticeably improved the code of
> the netman application right after a few valgrind passes.
>
> never get out without valgrind ;^)
>
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[DNG] Which desktops work without systemd

[Rob van der Putten]

Hi there


Which desktops work without systemd?
A list would be nice.


Regards,
Rob

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Re: [DNG] Printing -- now even pdf works. I have no idea why.

[Noel Torres]

Just curious...

Why not using CUPS ?

I've been using it since times' night with no issues.

Regards

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Re: [DNG] Gcc issue?

[Jaromil]

On Thu, 21 Apr 2016, KatolaZ wrote:

> Before going into finding gcc bugs, my humble suggestion is to give
> a go to valgrind.

It is a wise suggestion. All GNU C/C++ programmers should have several
passes through valgrind on their code, this is should be perceived as
a standard procedure.  Profiling with gprof is also recommended.

Our resident programmer :^) Edbarx has noticeably improved the code of
the netman application right after a few valgrind passes.

never get out without valgrind ;^)

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Re: [DNG] Printing -- now even pdf works. I have no idea why.

[Jaromil]

On Thu, 21 Apr 2016, Noel Torres wrote:

> Just curious...
> 
> Why not using CUPS ?
> 
> I've been using it since times' night with no issues.

I use CUPS and i'm intrigued by the thread.

I have two printers, one at home and one in the office.

After I switched to Devuan for all my personal computers, something
strange happened to me and I'm still not sure it is related to
Devuan. Believe me when I say I did look deeply into this, but still
did not manage to get the art of troubleshooting to enligthen my path.

The printer at home worked fine for years, then had some red light
blinking crisis, believing its toner was over, but it wasn't in fact,
no actual sign of it on the printed result. Nevertheless, I did change
the toner. Since the red blinking started and even after the change of
the toner (which stopped the red blinking) CUPS stopped being capable
of printing to it.

OTOH the printer at the office has never stopped working, before my
switch to Devuan and up to now.

I'm completely puzzled by this problem to the point I imagine I know
how RMS felt like when he started the GNU project. Believe me or not,
since this happened and as of today I do go to my office to print out
things, or ask my partner for help. And I'm not a consumer-minded
person so I refuse to buy a new printer.

So I'm reading all this thread with interest as its not making me feel
alone lost on this puzzle.

I don't believe this is really related to Devuan: following the work
of Didier on the package
https://git.devuan.org/devuan-packages/cups/commits/debian/jessie the
time his commits were made do not coincide at all with the times the
events on my side occurred.

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Re: [DNG] What do we want for ascii ?

[hellekin]

On 04/21/2016 04:14 PM, Mitt Green wrote:
> 
> From GitHub[1]:
> Project is in stale state since its proclamation.
> The main objective, working Skype test call,
> is reached. I don't have any plans for further
> development.
> 
> [1]:https://github.com/i-rinat/apulse
> 

Thanks Mitt.  That means it would be candidate for the contrib
component, right?  (Which is not supposed to be part of Devuan.)

==
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Re: [DNG] mpv from devuan.org/merged is broken

[Noel Torres]

David Hare  escribió:


What is, or will be, official Devuan policy on this?


This is one of the points in which my idea of "eggs" would help, as I  
imagine it.


What I do not know is if it is doable.

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Re: [DNG] What do we want for ascii ?

[Didier Kryn]

Le 21/04/2016 17:18, hellekin a écrit :

On 04/20/2016 03:46 PM, Didier Kryn wrote:

This is not the first time apulse has been discussed on this list.
There was talk of packaging apluse for Devuan last year but that
conversation has been lost in time.  Perhaps adding apulse to Devuan
will be reconsidered once the beta is out.  I would certainly like
pulseaudio and it's libs out of my system.

golinux


+1

BTW, if skype is 32-bit, apulse must be 32-bit as well - it involves a
library.


Does apulse serve for anything else than running non-free spyware?


Probably not. The author states that his goal was to run Skype test 
call, and after he achieved this goal, the project has just been stale.


Whatever you think of Skype - and I share your opinion - it is so 
widely used that it is necessary for many people.


Didier

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Re: [DNG] Printing -- now even pdf works. I have no idea why.

[Hendrik Boom]

On Thu, Apr 21, 2016 at 09:20:11PM +0200, Jaromil wrote:
> On Thu, 21 Apr 2016, Noel Torres wrote:
> 
> > Just curious...
> > 
> > Why not using CUPS ?
> > 
> > I've been using it since times' night with no issues.
> 
> I use CUPS and i'm intrigued by the thread.
> 
> I have two printers, one at home and one in the office.
> 
> After I switched to Devuan for all my personal computers, something
> strange happened to me and I'm still not sure it is related to
> Devuan. Believe me when I say I did look deeply into this, but still
> did not manage to get the art of troubleshooting to enligthen my path.
> 
> The printer at home worked fine for years, then had some red light
> blinking crisis, believing its toner was over, but it wasn't in fact,
> no actual sign of it on the printed result. Nevertheless, I did change
> the toner. Since the red blinking started and even after the change of
> the toner (which stopped the red blinking) CUPS stopped being capable
> of printing to it.
> 
> OTOH the printer at the office has never stopped working, before my
> switch to Devuan and up to now.
> 
> I'm completely puzzled by this problem to the point I imagine I know
> how RMS felt like when he started the GNU project. Believe me or not,
> since this happened and as of today I do go to my office to print out
> things, or ask my partner for help. And I'm not a consumer-minded
> person so I refuse to buy a new printer.
> 
> So I'm reading all this thread with interest as its not making me feel
> alone lost on this puzzle.
> 
> I don't believe this is really related to Devuan: following the work
> of Didier on the package
> https://git.devuan.org/devuan-packages/cups/commits/debian/jessie the
> time his commits were made do not coincide at all with the times the
> events on my side occurred.

Wasn't there a time when CUPS was suspected of havin a systemd connexion?
If not, it was suspected of being as obscure and opaque as systemd.
It, with foomatic, appears to install a database of zillions of 
drivers, which I would have to install to get the oonly one I really need.
It feels like overkill.

lpr seems to be the traditional Unix way of doing things, without CUPS.

It might have been easier if I had found the documentation earlier.

-- hendrik

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Re: [DNG] What do we want for ascii ?

[Mitt Green]

hellekin wrote:

> Thanks Mitt. That means it would be candidate
> for the contrib component, right? (Which is not
> supposed to be part of Devuan.)

Frankly, no idea. ‎I have never used Skype, nor have
a Microsoft account (removed right after throwing
away my Lumia; smartphones suck by the way).

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Re: [DNG] Printing -- now even pdf works. I have no idea why.

[Noel Torres]

Jaromil  escribió:


On Thu, 21 Apr 2016, Noel Torres wrote:


Just curious...

Why not using CUPS ?

I've been using it since times' night with no issues.


I use CUPS and i'm intrigued by the thread.

I have two printers, one at home and one in the office.

After I switched to Devuan for all my personal computers, something
strange happened to me and I'm still not sure it is related to
Devuan. Believe me when I say I did look deeply into this, but still
did not manage to get the art of troubleshooting to enligthen my path.

The printer at home worked fine for years, then had some red light
blinking crisis, believing its toner was over, but it wasn't in fact,
no actual sign of it on the printed result. Nevertheless, I did change
the toner. Since the red blinking started and even after the change of
the toner (which stopped the red blinking) CUPS stopped being capable
of printing to it.


This has happened to me. Newer versions of CUPS (I do not know from  
which one) "Pause" the printer when there is some printing problem.  
Like no toner, no paper or printer disconnected.


Maybe just accessing localhost:631 and "Resume" it resolves your problem.

...or not.

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Re: [DNG] Fw: Beginning of the End for Wheezy [sigh!]

[hellekin]

Thank you all for your positive response!  It's heart-warming.

==
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Re: [DNG] What do we want for ascii ?

[hellekin]

On 04/21/2016 08:17 PM, Mitt Green wrote:
> 
> Frankly, no idea. ‎I have never used Skype, nor have
> a Microsoft account (removed right after throwing
> away my Lumia; smartphones suck by the way).
> 
> / Mitt
>

I guess you're my kind of a guy :)

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Re: [DNG] Fw: Beginning of the End for Wheezy [sigh!]

[Hendrik Boom]

On Wed, Apr 20, 2016 at 06:07:45PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
> On Wed, 20 Apr 2016 19:46:26 +
> hellekin  wrote:
> 
> > This thread contains a lot of praise for Devuan.  I want to ask you
> > whether it's fine to use it on devuan.org for promotion.  You're
> > welcome to reply here.  I'll contact everyone individually to ask
> > anyway.
> > 
> > Cheers
> > 
> > ==
> > hk
> > 
> 
> I'd be pleased as punch if you did, and you hereby have my permission
> to use anything I wrote in the thread for any kind of Devuan promotion
> you want.

And permission to use anything *I* write in thie mailing list for the 
same purpose.  As long as you keep it in context.

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Re: [DNG] Which desktops work without systemd

[Mitt Green]

‎Rob van der Putten wrote:

> Which desktops work without systemd?
> A list would be nice.

Every desktop environment is known
to work without systemd. GNOME3 works
on Funtoo, Slackware, FreeBSD, OpenBSD,
DragonflyBSD. It depends on the
distribution itself.

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Re: [DNG] Printing -- now even pdf works. I have no idea why.

[Rainer Weikusat]

Noel Torres  writes:
> Just curious...
>
> Why not using CUPS ?
>
> I've been using it since times' night with no issues.

For me, the answer is that I see no benefit in getting accustomed with
something as complicated (looking) as CUPS for as long as I don't want
more than to run some input file through a pipeline of filters (nowadays
provided by the printer vendor) and then send it to some output device.

Judging from the (incomplete) information Hendrik Boom posted, he
originally used

lp=515@172.25.1.122

515 is the lpd printer port. Trying to print to a printer defined in
this way ought to result in an "invalid services" message (or something
like that) as the abstract syntax of this entry (for a network printer)
is

@[%]
(the port is optional and defaults to 515)

By the time he posted this for the first time, I suggested using
something like

lpq -Pall@

(or an equivalent lpc command). A later mail he sent showed the lp entry
as

lp=POSTSCRIPT_P1@172.25.1.15

this is correct for accessing the 'PostScript queue' on a Brother
network printer (which supports PostScript). The Brother printer driver
(aka 'input filter') should take care of the rest. This works for me and
(reportedly) also for him.

NB: I don't claim there is no Evil Black Magic[tm] going on here, just
that I haven't ever encountered any.

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Re: [DNG] Which desktops work without systemd

[Simon Walter]

On 04/22/2016 05:57 AM, Mitt Green wrote:

‎Rob van der Putten wrote:


Which desktops work without systemd?
A list would be nice.

Every desktop environment is known
to work without systemd. GNOME3 works
on Funtoo, Slackware, FreeBSD, OpenBSD,
DragonflyBSD. It depends on the
distribution itself.



If by desktops you mean DE, then I thought some have some dependencies 
on systemd by way of the included packages. DE vs. window manager. There 
is a big difference.

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Re: [DNG] What do we want for ascii ?

[Mitt Green]

hellekin wrote:

> Does apulse serve for anything else than
> running non-free spyware?

From GitHub[1]:
Project is in stale state since its proclamation.
The main objective, working Skype test call,
is reached. I don't have any plans for further
development.

[1]:https://github.com/i-rinat/apulse

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Re: [DNG] Printing -- now even pdf works. I have no idea why.

[Gregory Nowak]

On Thu, Apr 21, 2016 at 07:05:06PM +, Noel Torres wrote:
> Just curious...
> 
> Why not using CUPS ?

Too bulky and cumbersome. Go to a web interface. Follow link to install
device. Choose device from a list ... I prefer to read up on the
syntax of a config file or two, and just edit them, or write them out
if they aren't already there.

On a related note, I recently had to replace my almost 20-year-old hp
laserJet 5l because the part that broke couldn't be replaced. So, I
replaced it with a samsung m28253dw. I was struggling to configure
everything how I wanted through a less than fully accessible web
interface, and found myself wishing more than once during the process
that the darned printer had a telnet interface or something more
straight forward.

Greg


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Re: [DNG] Printing -- now works.

[Rainer Weikusat]

Hendrik Boom  writes:
> On Wed, Apr 20, 2016 at 05:43:10PM +0100, Rainer Weikusat wrote:
>> Hendrik Boom  writes:
>> 
>> [Brother printer]
>> 
>> > I did manage to get the printer going.  I should have mentionned long 
>> > ago what the final problem was.
>> >
>> > It turns out I was trying to print a pdf to a postscript printer.  I 
>> > thought that pdf was a specialized form of postscript, the way inkscape 
>> > files are a specialized form of svg.  Turns out that was  completely 
>> > wrong.
>> 
>> This suggests that something is wrong with the driver/ input filter
>> setup. That's supposed to convert the input file to something the
>> printer understands. I can print PostScript, PDF and a number of kinds
>> of files just fine.
>
> I'm using the driver from Brother, and lpr from lprng.  I found the 
> lprng-doc package.  I suppose the next thing is to read it,

My (working) /etc/printcap looks like this:

DCP7010:\
:mx=0:\
:sd=/var/spool/lpd/DCP7010:\
:sh:\
:lp=/dev/usb/lp0:\
:if=/usr/local/Brother/lpd/filterDCP7010:

if= is the input filter. That's the program (usually a shell script
invoking other programs) supposed to convert the input data to something
the printer understands. A quick test to see if this works as desired
would be to redirect printing to a file.

1. Change lp= line

[rw@doppelsaurus]/tmp#sudo ed /etc/printcap < /:lp=/s/=.*:/=\/tmp\/pr:
> wq
> TT
149
:lp=/tmp/pr:\
149

2. Create output file

touch /tmp/pr
sudo chown daemon.daemon /tmp/pr

3. Tell lpd to re-read the configuration

sudo lpc reread

Afterwards, an attempt to print a PDF (via lpr) will write the
pre-processed data to /tmp/pr. The lpq command can be used to check the
status of the print jop while this is happening.

According to

http://support.brother.com/g/b/spec.aspx?c=us=en=hl3170cdw_all

the printer you're using supports both PostScript3 and PCL6. Guesses at
the cause of the printing failure could be "filter produces PCL and
printer wants PostScript" or "filter doesn't produce output".
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Re: [DNG] Printing -- now works.

[Rainer Weikusat]

Gregory Nowak  writes:
> On Wed, Apr 20, 2016 at 06:27:26PM -0400, Hendrik Boom wrote:
>> I'm using the driver from Brother, and lpr from lprng.  I found the 
>> lprng-doc package.  I suppose the next thing is to read it,
>
> While I haven't used a brother printer, I do seem to have a
> recollection of doing lpr file.pdf, and having the pdf print out
> normally. If ghostscript supports your printer, lprng can be setup to
> pipe through ghostscript.

The Brother driver is really an input filter, usually at shell script,
which is supposed to take care of this autoamtically. Judging from a
quick look, mine roughly converts the input to PostScript via a2ps and
that to PCL by feeding it into a Brother-provided program.
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Re: [DNG] What do we want for ascii ?

[hellekin]

On 04/20/2016 03:46 PM, Didier Kryn wrote:
>>
>> This is not the first time apulse has been discussed on this list.
>> There was talk of packaging apluse for Devuan last year but that
>> conversation has been lost in time.  Perhaps adding apulse to Devuan
>> will be reconsidered once the beta is out.  I would certainly like
>> pulseaudio and it's libs out of my system.
>>
>> golinux
>>
> +1
> 
> BTW, if skype is 32-bit, apulse must be 32-bit as well - it involves a
> library.
> 

Does apulse serve for anything else than running non-free spyware?

==
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Re: [DNG] Devuan Web A11y

[hellekin]

On 04/20/2016 07:55 PM, Rainer Weikusat wrote:
> 
> Clicking on 'forked from Debian'
>

This is indeed one of the sections that remain to write.  Generalizing
like you did is useless and misguiding.  Don't forget that this is the
BETA site of the BETA, so it's normal that a house in-the-making doesn't
behave like a finished house.

More generally, complaints are received at the level of their worth:
zero.  Help is wanted and welcome.

==
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Re: [DNG] Devuan Web A11y

[Rainer Weikusat]

hellekin  writes:
> On 04/20/2016 07:55 PM, Rainer Weikusat wrote:
>> 
>> Clicking on 'forked from Debian'
>>
>
> This is indeed one of the sections that remain to write.  Generalizing
> like you did is useless and misguiding.

I didn't 'generalize' anything.

Svante Signell wrote:

Nice page, next would be to populate the links with content,
right?

To which you replied:

Can you be more specific?  Did you *read* the contents of the
404 page you must have stumbled upon?  If so, you know what to
do.

The 404 page suggests that 'broken links etc' should be reported. Hence,
I went through all top-level links and posted the results:

Clicking on 'forked from Debian' yields a 'not found' page with the
following text:

[404 page text]

The "shouldn't happen" link goes to some portal registration
page. As does the 'devuan-www' issues link. As does the 'report
it to devuan www link'. The sitemap link renders the same 404
page.

The other two 2nd level package links go to the 404 page.

That's a specific (and not general) statement about a bunch of broken
links.


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[DNG] mpv from devuan.org/merged is broken

[David Hare]

I needed to install mpv, which failed with this error:

:~$ mpv '/my/file.mp4'
mpv was compiled and linked against a mixture of Libav and FFmpeg
versions. This won't work and will most likely crash at some point.
Exiting.

This took me quite some time to debug. The reason appears to be
incompatibility with the version and dependencies from "deb
http://packages.devuan.org/merged; (which I use exclusively, except
for special purposes).

https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=753090
https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=785650

I noticed that quite a few packages originating from deb-multimedia
are on my system, installed from "/merged".

My quick fix was install mpv direct from deb-multimedia (but yet
another 3rd-party repo to configure)

Packages from deb-multimedia have also been reported and seen here to
break vlc also at various times in the past.

What is, or will be, official Devuan policy on this?
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Re: [DNG] mpv from devuan.org/merged is broken

[David Hare]

Another reference:

https://forum.videolan.org/viewtopic.php?t=70719


On 21 April 2016 at 11:43, David Hare  wrote:
> I needed to install mpv, which failed with this error:
>
> :~$ mpv '/my/file.mp4'
> mpv was compiled and linked against a mixture of Libav and FFmpeg
> versions. This won't work and will most likely crash at some point.
> Exiting.
>
> This took me quite some time to debug. The reason appears to be
> incompatibility with the version and dependencies from "deb
> http://packages.devuan.org/merged; (which I use exclusively, except
> for special purposes).
>
> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=753090
> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=785650
>
> I noticed that quite a few packages originating from deb-multimedia
> are on my system, installed from "/merged".
>
> My quick fix was install mpv direct from deb-multimedia (but yet
> another 3rd-party repo to configure)
>
> Packages from deb-multimedia have also been reported and seen here to
> break vlc also at various times in the past.
>
> What is, or will be, official Devuan policy on this?
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Re: [DNG] mpv from devuan.org/merged is broken

[Daniel Reurich]

On 21/04/16 22:43, David Hare wrote:
> I needed to install mpv, which failed with this error:
> 
> :~$ mpv '/my/file.mp4' mpv was compiled and linked against a mixture
> of Libav and FFmpeg versions. This won't work and will most likely
> crash at some point. Exiting.
> 
> This took me quite some time to debug. The reason appears to be 
> incompatibility with the version and dependencies from "deb 
> http://packages.devuan.org/merged; (which I use exclusively, except 
> for special purposes).
> 
> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=753090 
> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=785650
> 
> I noticed that quite a few packages originating from deb-multimedia 
> are on my system, installed from "/merged".
> 
> My quick fix was install mpv direct from deb-multimedia (but yet 
> another 3rd-party repo to configure)
> 
> Packages from deb-multimedia have also been reported and seen here
> to break vlc also at various times in the past.
> 
> What is, or will be, official Devuan policy on this?

Hi David,

For a while we merged deb-multimedia into devuan as part of a test of
amprolla - the tool that builds our merged mirror. We've discontinued
including deb-multimedia because it caused issues for some other users.

You can either add deb-multimedia to your sources or search and remove
the debian-multimedia packages and re-install the debian versions
instead to solve your problems.

Regards,
Daniel

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Re: [DNG] Devuan Web A11y

[Svante Signell]

On Wed, 2016-04-20 at 14:54 +, Go Linux wrote:
> On Wed, 4/20/16, Svante Signell  wrote:
> 
>  Subject: Re: [DNG] Devuan Web A11y
>  To: dng@lists.dyne.org
>  Date: Wednesday, April 20, 2016, 9:38 AM
>  
> On Tue, 2016-04-19 at 04:29 +, hellekin wrote:
> > 
> > For the Devuan Web we tried to take accessibility into account. If you
> > have a11y issues with https://beta.devuan.org, please report to
> Nice page, next would be to populate the links with content, right?
> 
> 
> 
> Perhaps you would like to provide some content for those pages?

Maybe that would be a good idea. I'll take a look at what I can contribute with.
BBL.

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