[e-users] Virtual desktops
Hello! I used till now still e16 (due to my inability to compile a working newer e... and running under debian). When developing i used a very nice feature, shifting the window with the compilation/simulation between 2 desktops and doing something else whilst beeing able to keep an eye on the activity of the shared window. Now, the desktops seem completely separate, if i push my window out of my desktop, it doesn't appear on the next one how can i make it appear on the next one? In fact, i am not really interested in separate desktops, one would be perfectly nice for me, but i like to split that desktop in a 3x3 matrix of virtual screens but i didn't find the settings to achieve that... so any help welcome thanks -- ciao bboett -- What NetFlow Analyzer can do for you? Monitors network bandwidth and traffic patterns at an interface-level. Reveals which users, apps, and protocols are consuming the most bandwidth. Provides multi-vendor support for NetFlow, J-Flow, sFlow and other flows. Make informed decisions using capacity planning reports. https://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/305295220;132659582;e ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
[e-users] Virtual Desktops
I was wondering if other X-Window managers have virtual desktops like enlightenment does? I like the fact that I can move my mouse to the left or right and into another desktop. Some window managers have multiple desktops, but you have to click in the bottom corner to go to that desktop instead of moving the mouse to the left or right. So are there any other window managers that do virtual desktops like enlightenment in that sense? Phusion --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest & candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595&alloc_id=14396&op=click ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Virtual desktops
On 06/04/2016 07:17 PM, Bruno Boettcher wrote: > Hello! > > I used till now still e16 (due to my inability to compile a working newer > e... and running under debian). > When developing i used a very nice feature, shifting the window with the > compilation/simulation between 2 desktops > and doing something else whilst beeing able to keep an eye on the activity of > the shared window. > > Now, the desktops seem completely separate, if i push my window out of my > desktop, it doesn't appear on the next one > how can i make it appear on the next one? > I use keybindings for this, dragging with the mouse generally moves to the next real screen if you have one. > In fact, i am not really interested in separate desktops, one would be > perfectly nice for me, but i like to split that desktop in > a 3x3 matrix of virtual screens but i didn't find the settings to achieve > that... > > so any help welcome > > thanks > -- Simon Lees (Simotek)http://simotek.net Emergency Update Team keybase.io/simotek SUSE LinuxAdeliade Australia, UTC+9:30 GPG Fingerprint: 5B87 DB9D 88DC F606 E489 CEC5 0922 C246 02F0 014B -- What NetFlow Analyzer can do for you? Monitors network bandwidth and traffic patterns at an interface-level. Reveals which users, apps, and protocols are consuming the most bandwidth. Provides multi-vendor support for NetFlow, J-Flow, sFlow and other flows. Make informed decisions using capacity planning reports. https://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/305295220;132659582;e___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Virtual desktops
Am 6. Juni 2016 01:28:12 MESZ, schrieb Simon Lees : > > >On 06/04/2016 07:17 PM, Bruno Boettcher wrote: >> Hello! >> >> I used till now still e16 (due to my inability to compile a working >newer e... and running under debian). >> When developing i used a very nice feature, shifting the window with >the compilation/simulation between 2 desktops >> and doing something else whilst beeing able to keep an eye on the >activity of the shared window. >> >> Now, the desktops seem completely separate, if i push my window out >of my desktop, it doesn't appear on the next one >> how can i make it appear on the next one? >> > >I use keybindings for this, dragging with the mouse generally moves to >the next real screen if you have one. well, i only have one screen is there a way to change the mouse behaviour? i didn't find where so i tryed your suggestion, either by right click on the title bar-> move by kbd and by redefining a keybinding with the action window->move [up|down|left|right]. whilst i manage to move the window by the keyboard, the keybinding action doesn't allow me to quit the visible area with the window (and its way to coarse too, in 3 clicks i went from one side to the next... but i didn't see how to regulate that) with the other method i had to place roughly the window, since there the movement is really thought only for fine tuning (some logarithmic time-related graininess would really come in handy) but didn't work i switched desktops, and no overlapping window i switched back... the window was placed again completely into the visible part of the desktop :( -- ciao bboett -- What NetFlow Analyzer can do for you? Monitors network bandwidth and traffic patterns at an interface-level. Reveals which users, apps, and protocols are consuming the most bandwidth. Provides multi-vendor support for NetFlow, J-Flow, sFlow and other flows. Make informed decisions using capacity planning reports. https://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/305295220;132659582;e ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Virtual desktops
You could make your window 'Sticky', iow, visible in all desktops. Click on the window icon (top left corner) and check the Sticky box. On Sat, Jun 4, 2016 at 6:47 AM, Bruno Boettcher wrote: > Hello! > > I used till now still e16 (due to my inability to compile a working newer > e... and running under debian). > When developing i used a very nice feature, shifting the window with the > compilation/simulation between 2 desktops > and doing something else whilst beeing able to keep an eye on the activity > of the shared window. > > Now, the desktops seem completely separate, if i push my window out of my > desktop, it doesn't appear on the next one > how can i make it appear on the next one? > > In fact, i am not really interested in separate desktops, one would be > perfectly nice for me, but i like to split that desktop in > a 3x3 matrix of virtual screens but i didn't find the settings to > achieve that... > > so any help welcome > > thanks > -- > ciao > bboett > > -- > What NetFlow Analyzer can do for you? Monitors network bandwidth and > traffic > patterns at an interface-level. Reveals which users, apps, and protocols > are > consuming the most bandwidth. Provides multi-vendor support for NetFlow, > J-Flow, sFlow and other flows. Make informed decisions using capacity > planning reports. https://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/305295220;132659582;e > ___ > enlightenment-users mailing list > enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users > -- Eduardo de Barros Lima ◤✠◢ ebl...@gmail.com -- What NetFlow Analyzer can do for you? Monitors network bandwidth and traffic patterns at an interface-level. Reveals which users, apps, and protocols are consuming the most bandwidth. Provides multi-vendor support for NetFlow, J-Flow, sFlow and other flows. Make informed decisions using capacity planning reports. https://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/305295220;132659582;e ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Virtual desktops
On Sat, 04 Jun 2016 11:47:47 +0200 Bruno Boettcher said: > Hello! > > I used till now still e16 (due to my inability to compile a working newer > e... and running under debian). When developing i used a very nice feature, > shifting the window with the compilation/simulation between 2 desktops and > doing something else whilst beeing able to keep an eye on the activity of the > shared window. > > Now, the desktops seem completely separate, if i push my window out of my > desktop, it doesn't appear on the next one how can i make it appear on > the next one? > > In fact, i am not really interested in separate desktops, one would be > perfectly nice for me, but i like to split that desktop in a 3x3 matrix of > virtual screens but i didn't find the settings to achieve that... > > so any help welcome e doesn't have any option for objects on another desktop being visible on the current. the NxM grid is treated as NxM separate desktops where a window belongs to one or another. switching is done by hiding and showing windows (yes we can also do a fancy effect along the way too). that's how the desktops work. a window is assigned to your desktop, or it's not. e's entire desktop/screen/zone handling assumes this and when showing/hiding a desk it does the above... so it's not a simple feature too just toss in in a few lines. > thanks > -- > ciao > bboett > -- > What NetFlow Analyzer can do for you? Monitors network bandwidth and traffic > patterns at an interface-level. Reveals which users, apps, and protocols are > consuming the most bandwidth. Provides multi-vendor support for NetFlow, > J-Flow, sFlow and other flows. Make informed decisions using capacity > planning reports. https://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/305295220;132659582;e > ___ > enlightenment-users mailing list > enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users > -- - Codito, ergo sum - "I code, therefore I am" -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)ras...@rasterman.com -- What NetFlow Analyzer can do for you? Monitors network bandwidth and traffic patterns at an interface-level. Reveals which users, apps, and protocols are consuming the most bandwidth. Provides multi-vendor support for NetFlow, J-Flow, sFlow and other flows. Make informed decisions using capacity planning reports. https://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/305295220;132659582;e ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Virtual Desktops
Actually, most that I know of atleast have an option of doing something like that, eg. Xfce, FVWM, even Gnome and KDE afaik. On Sat, 12 Feb 2005 09:53:21 -0600, Phusion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I was wondering if other X-Window managers have virtual desktops like > enlightenment does? I like the fact that I can move my mouse to the > left or right and into another desktop. Some window managers have > multiple desktops, but you have to click in the bottom corner to go to > that desktop instead of moving the mouse to the left or right. So are > there any other window managers that do virtual desktops like > enlightenment in that sense? > > Phusion > > --- > SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide > Read honest & candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. > Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. > http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595&alloc_id=14396&op=click > ___ > enlightenment-users mailing list > enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users > -- http://thisnukes4u.net --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest & candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595&alloc_id=14396&op=click ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Virtual Desktops
On Sat, 12 Feb 2005 09:53:21 -0600 Phusion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled: (B (B> I was wondering if other X-Window managers have virtual desktops like (B> enlightenment does? I like the fact that I can move my mouse to the (B> left or right and into another desktop. Some window managers have (B> multiple desktops, but you have to click in the bottom corner to go to (B> that desktop instead of moving the mouse to the left or right. So are (B> there any other window managers that do virtual desktops like (B> enlightenment in that sense? (B (Byes. fvwm like 10+ years ago was doing the mouse to edge to flip to a new (Bdesktop trick. i can tell you why they dont do it today. it's confusing to (Bnew/novice users and amazingly confusing. sure it's great for power users. watch (Byour grandma on a linux box accidentally flip to a virtual desktop just if her (Bmouse was on the left. to her everything suddenly changed for no reason and she (Bgoes "what the hell?" and is now completely confused as to whats going on. it (Bcan be very useful - but imho it's a power user feature and thus pretty much (B"skipped". virtual desktops alone are a power user feature already. getting (Bpeople to understand that things exist that they cant see is tough going. :( (B (B-- (B- Codito, ergo sum - "I code, therefore I am" -- (BThe Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)[EMAIL PROTECTED] $BMg9%B?(B [EMAIL PROTECTED] (BTokyo, Japan ($BEl5~(B $BF|K\(B) (B (B (B--- (BSF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide (BRead honest & candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. (BDiscover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. (Bhttp://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595&alloc_id=14396&op=click (B___ (Benlightenment-users mailing list (Benlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net (Bhttps://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Virtual Desktops
On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 12:30:56 +0900
Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> yes. fvwm like 10+ years ago was doing the mouse to edge to flip to a new
> desktop trick. i can tell you why they dont do it today. it's confusing to
> new/novice users and amazingly confusing. sure it's great for power users.
> watch
> your grandma on a linux box accidentally flip to a virtual desktop just if her
> mouse was on the left. to her everything suddenly changed for no reason and
> she
> goes "what the hell?" and is now completely confused as to whats going on. it
> can be very useful - but imho it's a power user feature and thus pretty much
> "skipped". virtual desktops alone are a power user feature already. getting
> people to understand that things exist that they cant see is tough going. :(
So, which direction do you want e17 to go? Do you want to tailor it
towards novice users or towards power users?
I would be happy if you said "both", but there are those people who want
to remove every power user feature completely because it might confuse
someone. ("You can't make advanced features available as an option,
because then the options dialog would become confusingly large!")
I, for one, am a power user (I currently use Ion as my wm) and would
like to argue that usability and accessibility to the novice user are
not the same thing. Power users are users as well :)
Regards,
Felix
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Re: [e-users] Virtual Desktops
On Sunday, 13 ×February 2005 05:30, Carsten Haitzler wrote: > On Sat, 12 Feb 2005 09:53:21 -0600 Phusion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled: > > I was wondering if other X-Window managers have virtual desktops > > like enlightenment does? I like the fact that I can move my mouse > > to the left or right and into another desktop. Some window managers > > have multiple desktops, but you have to click in the bottom corner > > to go to that desktop instead of moving the mouse to the left or > > right. So are there any other window managers that do virtual > > desktops like enlightenment in that sense? > > yes. fvwm like 10+ years ago was doing the mouse to edge to flip to a > new desktop trick. i can tell you why they dont do it today. it's > confusing to new/novice users and amazingly confusing. sure it's > great for power users. Most "noob" oriented window managers have this feature but it is disabled by default. KDE at least has a feature that edge flipping (they call it "Active Borders") is enabled only when dragging windows, but this is too disabled by default and only accesible under an "Advanced" section of the configuration. -- Oded ::.. The military don't start wars. Politicians start wars. -- William Westmoreland --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest & candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_ide95&alloc_id396&op=click ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Virtual Desktops
On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 11:01:27 + Felix Breuer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled:
(B
(B> On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 12:30:56 +0900
(B> Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
(B> > yes. fvwm like 10+ years ago was doing the mouse to edge to flip to a new
(B> > desktop trick. i can tell you why they dont do it today. it's confusing to
(B> > new/novice users and amazingly confusing. sure it's great for power users.
(Bwatch
(B> > your grandma on a linux box accidentally flip to a virtual desktop just if
(Bher
(B> > mouse was on the left. to her everything suddenly changed for no reason and
(Bshe
(B> > goes "what the hell?" and is now completely confused as to whats going on.
(Bit
(B> > can be very useful - but imho it's a power user feature and thus pretty much
(B> > "skipped". virtual desktops alone are a power user feature already. getting
(B> > people to understand that things exist that they cant see is tough going. :(
(B>
(B> So, which direction do you want e17 to go? Do you want to tailor it
(B> towards novice users or towards power users?
(B>
(B> I would be happy if you said "both", but there are those people who want
(B> to remove every power user feature completely because it might confuse
(B> someone. ("You can't make advanced features available as an option,
(B> because then the options dialog would become confusingly large!")
(B
(Bboth. but i don't want to make it hard for novices just to do some esoteric
(Bthing for power users. basically if i can satisfy both - i will. i am hoping to
(Bhave a wizard that lets you choose "i'm new to this" or "i'm a power user - so
(Blet me learn by trial of fire" and so set up the default config appropriately.
(B
(B> I, for one, am a power user (I currently use Ion as my wm) and would
(B> like to argue that usability and accessibility to the novice user are
(B> not the same thing. Power users are users as well :)
(B
(Byes - i agree. i want to support both :) but a default setup and design
(Bdecisions kind of need to tread a fine line and try and server both sides.
(B
(B> Regards,
(B> Felix
(B>
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Re: [e-users] Virtual Desktops
I installed the LiteStep shell on Windows so that I could have multiple desktops with edge flipping. I certainly would not use a desktop without the feature! Coming up with a default configuration which is easy to use initially is a worthy effort but it is vital that users be able to engage increasingly complex features as they become more experienced. Realistically, Enlightenment is going to remain a "power user's" system unless the configuration utilities and documentation are dramatically improved and GNOME decides to return to the fold. Newbies will stick with whatever their distro installed until they reach a considerable level of sophistication. E is really a tool for creating custom desktops rather than a desktop itself. I don't think that there is any way to simply load E16 and use it without learning how to edit the configuration files. I doubt if E17 will be better any time soon. I also think that edge flipping works much better with a trackball than with a mouse or other limited-range pointing device. That is a pretty good reason for using a trackball although the main reason is that it doesn't wander around and bump into things. You can put your hand on it without looking for it. Mike --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest & candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595&alloc_id=14396&op=click ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Virtual Desktops
Il giorno Sun, 13 Feb 2005 12:30:56 +0900 Carsten scrisse: > yes. fvwm like 10+ years ago was doing the mouse to edge to flip to a > new desktop trick. i can tell you why they dont do it today. it's > confusing to new/novice users and amazingly confusing. sure it's great > for power users. watch your grandma on a linux box accidentally flip > to a virtual desktop just if her mouse was on the left. to her > everything suddenly changed for no reason and she goes "what the > hell?" and is now completely confused as to whats going on. I had always used virtual desktops in e16 and no multiple desktops at all, but I prefer to move from one desktop to another with alt+shift+arrow (the default keybinding for this) instead of using edge flip. this way his grandma would not be confused :) I hope e17 will have virtual desktops, so I can use it the same way. -- Massimo Maiurana mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ass. SOftware LIbero RAgusa http://www.solira.org Linux RU #245612 RM #127258 GPG keyID #7044D601 Articolo 11 - L'Italia ripudia la guerra come strumento di offesa alla libertà degli altri popoli e come mezzo di risoluzione delle controversie internazionali pgpqZKPdxIlpv.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [e-users] Virtual Desktops
Massimo Maiurana wrote: Il giorno Sun, 13 Feb 2005 12:30:56 +0900 Carsten scrisse: yes. fvwm like 10+ years ago was doing the mouse to edge to flip to a new desktop trick. i can tell you why they dont do it today. it's confusing to new/novice users and amazingly confusing. sure it's great for power users. watch your grandma on a linux box accidentally flip to a virtual desktop just if her mouse was on the left. to her everything suddenly changed for no reason and she goes "what the hell?" and is now completely confused as to whats going on. I had always used virtual desktops in e16 and no multiple desktops at all, but I prefer to move from one desktop to another with alt+shift+arrow (the default keybinding for this) instead of using edge flip. this way his grandma would not be confused :) I hope e17 will have virtual desktops, so I can use it the same way. I use Virtual Desktops to expand my desktop horizonally and Multiple Desktops (Desktop Panes from DR .14?) to have logically separate spaces for doing logically separate things. BTW, my folks always comment on the sound of changing from one Virtual Desk to the other. Not sure they know what is happening but they like the sound. ;-) -- In Reach Technology:http://www.inreachtech.net/ Robert G. Werner [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel: 559.304.5122 "Dad buried in landslide! Jubilant throngs fill streets! Stunned father inconsolable - demands recount!" -- Calvin --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest & candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595&alloc_id=14396&op=click ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Virtual Desktops
On Sunday, 13 ×February 2005 21:01, David Raleigh Arnold wrote: > On Sunday 13 February 2005 05:02 am, Oded Arbel wrote: > > Most "noob" oriented window managers have this feature but it is > > disabled by default. KDE at least has a feature that edge flipping > > (they call it "Active Borders") is enabled only when dragging > > windows, > > In kde 3.3.2 there is also "always enabled", and it works fine. kde > not guilty. It's gnome. > > AFAIK metacity doesn't do edge-flipping so to get it with gnome you > start enlightenment when in gnome and save-configuration when you > leave gnome. I agree that they've lost their minds. That's GNOME for you - "let not give the users the ability to resize their windows - it will only confuse them. If you are a power user, then use regedit^H^H^H^H^H^Hgconf-editor to change settings" > > but this is too disabled by default and only accesible under > > an "Advanced" section of the configuration. > > It's all there and easily accessable, unless they've taken it out > since 3.3.2. The trick is to know what "active border" means. The "what's this" is pretty helpful. the problem is that you have to click on the icon labeled "Advanced" in order to get to that specific configuration dialog - something most users won't do if their life depended on it :-( -- Oded ::.. "The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. The opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth." -- Niels Bohr (1885-1962) --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest & candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_ide95&alloc_id396&op=click ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Virtual Desktops
On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 23:14:32 +0200 Oded Arbel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled: (B (B> On Sunday, 13 __February 2005 21:01, David Raleigh Arnold wrote: (B> > On Sunday 13 February 2005 05:02 am, Oded Arbel wrote: (B> > > Most "noob" oriented window managers have this feature but it is (B> > > disabled by default. KDE at least has a feature that edge flipping (B> > > (they call it "Active Borders") is enabled only when dragging (B> > > windows, (B> > (B> > In kde 3.3.2 there is also "always enabled", and it works fine. kde (B> > not guilty. It's gnome. (B> > (B> > AFAIK metacity doesn't do edge-flipping so to get it with gnome you (B> > start enlightenment when in gnome and save-configuration when you (B> > leave gnome. I agree that they've lost their minds. (B> (B> That's GNOME for you - "let not give the users the ability to resize (B> their windows - it will only confuse them. If you are a power user, (B> then use regedit^H^H^H^H^H^Hgconf-editor to change settings" (B (Bi do have to say that has become a sad direction for gnome and imho it is (Bsomething we want to fix with E - give you a nice desktop thats fairly lean and (Bfast (sure others are leaner... but the prettiness comes at a cost), and give (Byou all the options - even if they are on an advanced tab/dialog... but they are (Bthere. no editing of obscure files or registries etc. right now we dont have the (Btools - but the plan is to have them all. (B (B> > > but this is too disabled by default and only accesible under (B> > > an "Advanced" section of the configuration. (B> > (B> > It's all there and easily accessable, unless they've taken it out (B> > since 3.3.2. The trick is to know what "active border" means. (B> (B> The "what's this" is pretty helpful. the problem is that you have to (B> click on the icon labeled "Advanced" in order to get to that specific (B> configuration dialog - something most users won't do if their life (B> depended on it :-( (B (Bbetter in advanced than not there at all! :) i think its a good way to divide it (B- the scared/novice users just wont touch advanced. too bad for them - they need (Bto get more adventurous and confident, but the adventurous or confident... have (Bit there at a few clicks off. (B (B-- (B- Codito, ergo sum - "I code, therefore I am" -- (BThe Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)[EMAIL PROTECTED] $BMg9%B?(B [EMAIL PROTECTED] (BTokyo, Japan ($BEl5~(B $BF|K\(B) (B (B (B--- (BSF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide (BRead honest & candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. (BDiscover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. (Bhttp://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595&alloc_id=14396&op=click (B___ (Benlightenment-users mailing list (Benlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net (Bhttps://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Virtual Desktops
On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 21:27:37 +0900, the sky darkened, lightning flashed and the voice of Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) spake thus: > > That's GNOME for you - "let not give the users the ability to resize > > their windows - it will only confuse them. If you are a power user, > > then use regedit^H^H^H^H^H^Hgconf-editor to change settings" > > i do have to say that has become a sad direction for gnome and imho it is > something we want to fix with E - give you a nice desktop thats fairly lean > and > fast (sure others are leaner... but the prettiness comes at a cost), and give > you all the options - even if they are on an advanced tab/dialog... but they > are > there. no editing of obscure files or registries etc. right now we dont have > the > tools - but the plan is to have them all. > The whole GNOME noobness is the reason I came back to E (after stopping using E around the time slackware dropped it), and must say dr17 is looking great already =) Thanks to all of you for your hard work, I'm appreciating it =) -- Call me ktabic --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest & candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595&alloc_id=14396&op=click ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Virtual Desktops
ktabic wrote: [snip] The whole GNOME noobness is the reason I came back to E (after stopping using E around the time slackware dropped it), and must say dr17 is looking great already =) Thanks to all of you for your hard work, I'm appreciating it =) all I can say is "ME TOO!!!" with lots of !!! and lots of woot! And, to Raster and the rest: Type faster!!! ;-) -- In Reach Technology:http://www.inreachtech.net/ Robert G. Werner [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel: 559.304.5122 Linux: Because rebooting is for adding new hardware --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest & candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595&alloc_id=14396&op=click ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Virtual Desktops
On Sunday 13 February 2005 05:02 am, Oded Arbel wrote: > On Sunday, 13 ?February 2005 05:30, Carsten Haitzler wrote: > > On Sat, 12 Feb 2005 09:53:21 -0600 Phusion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > babbled: > > > I was wondering if other X-Window managers have virtual desktops > > > like enlightenment does? I like the fact that I can move my mouse > > > to the left or right and into another desktop. Some window > > > managers have multiple desktops, but you have to click in the > > > bottom corner to go to that desktop instead of moving the mouse > > > to the left or right. So are there any other window managers that > > > do virtual desktops like enlightenment in that sense? > > > > yes. fvwm like 10+ years ago was doing the mouse to edge to flip to > > a new desktop trick. i can tell you why they dont do it today. it's > > confusing to new/novice users and amazingly confusing. sure it's > > great for power users. > > Most "noob" oriented window managers have this feature but it is > disabled by default. KDE at least has a feature that edge flipping > (they call it "Active Borders") is enabled only when dragging > windows, In kde 3.3.2 there is also "always enabled", and it works fine. kde not guilty. It's gnome. AFAIK metacity doesn't do edge-flipping so to get it with gnome you start enlightenment when in gnome and save-configuration when you leave gnome. I agree that they've lost their minds. > but this is too disabled by default and only accesible under > an "Advanced" section of the configuration. It's all there and easily accessable, unless they've taken it out since 3.3.2. The trick is to know what "active border" means. daveA -- The only technical exercises for guitar which are worthy of the instrument consist in "Dynamic Guitar Technique". I promise miracles. Get it at: http://www.openguitar.com/dynamic.html daveA David Raleigh Arnold dra..at..openguitar.com --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest & candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595&alloc_id=14396&op=click ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Virtual Desktops
On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 14:01:09 -0500 David Raleigh Arnold <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (Bbabbled: (B (B> AFAIK metacity doesn't do edge-flipping so to get it with gnome you (B> start enlightenment when in gnome and save-configuration when you (B> leave gnome. I agree that they've lost their minds. (B (Byes. it's one thing having a feature but being disabled by default for making it (Bless confusing for novices etc. (and providing an easy way to turn it on later (Bvia a configuration tool and/or advanced tab/dialog), and another entirely (Bsimply removing the code for a feature or never implementing it because of (Bnovices/usability. :) (B (B-- (B- Codito, ergo sum - "I code, therefore I am" -- (BThe Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)[EMAIL PROTECTED] $BMg9%B?(B [EMAIL PROTECTED] (BTokyo, Japan ($BEl5~(B $BF|K\(B) (B (B (B--- (BSF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide (BRead honest & candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. (BDiscover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. (Bhttp://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595&alloc_id=14396&op=click (B___ (Benlightenment-users mailing list (Benlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net (Bhttps://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
