Re: [EVDL] [SPAM?] Re: [SPAM?] Re: EVs Here, There and Everywhere

[tomw via EV]

Yes, it is good that EVs are becoming commonplace.  The last couple years
people have mainly gathered around the Teslas at E day and other EVents, not
only because they are a nice vehicle, but because of the hype about them.  
I never was a very active EVangelist, my primary motivation was to lower my
carbon emissions.  But when I first did the conversion in 2009 the local
club had few vehicles to show so it was more important to show mine,
especially since it was the only one in the area with lithium cells and
longer range.  It was more about showing electric transportation was
possible and practical for less than 100 miles then.  Now that is well-known
and it is more showing what production cars are available for purchase, and
giving people a taste by giving test drives. Mine isn't of much use because
few people have any interest in doing conversions and it doesn't have all
the nice features of a production car.  Like Peter said it looks pretty
plain next to the production cars.  I expect (and hope) in another 5 years
the present generation of production cars, other than the Tesla S, will be
as quaint as my conversion now is due to much greater range and spiffy
features.



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[EVDL] Practical solar vehicle

[Lawrence Rhodes via EV]

While this seems to be a working vehicle the price will be a non starter for 
most drivers.  http://evworld.com/news.cfm?newsid=35018Lawrence Rhodes  It's 
simply a slightly heavier version of the vehicles involved in the cruiser class 
of the world solar challenge. Heavier body & wheels I suspect.
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[EVDL] scoot networks scooter to purchase

[ken via EV]

where can some purchase a scoot outright?

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Re: [EVDL] scoot networks scooter to purchase

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On 08/31/2015 12:03 PM, ken via EV wrote:

where can some purchase a scoot outright?

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This has absolutely no meaning or context to me.  Can someone enlighten?

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Re: [EVDL] scoot networks scooter to purchase

[Glen Hoag via EV]

Scoot Networks is a San Francisco based e-scooter rental service. The OP wants 
to buy one. 

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> On Aug 31, 2015, at 12:13, Willie2 via EV  wrote:
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>> On 08/31/2015 12:03 PM, ken via EV wrote:
>> where can some purchase a scoot outright?
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Re: [EVDL] Practical solar vehicle

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On 31 Aug 2015 at 16:28, Lawrence Rhodes via EV wrote:

> the price will be a non starter for most drivers. 

You think? :-\

Still, at $370k it's probably about a third of the value (parts and labor) 
in most of the one-off student-built solar racers, if memory about them 
serves.  The Aerovironment Sunraycer cost GM in the neighborhood of $2m.

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Re: [EVDL] Practical solar vehicle

[Mark Abramowitz via EV]

First time one-offs always cost big.

I think this an exciting peek into the potential future. I can't afford one 
now, but let's see what can happen in 10 years, and after it gets put on a 
production line, and then produced in quantity.

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>> On 31 Aug 2015 at 16:28, Lawrence Rhodes via EV wrote:
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>> the price will be a non starter for most drivers.
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> You think? :-\
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Re: [EVDL] suggestions for non-conductive battery box liner?

[Peri Hartman via EV]

Well, there's a lot of good to say about plywood.  It's non conductive, 
extremely strong, flexible, won't corrode, won't melt, easy to work 
with, relatively light.  It burns and rots are it's two drawbacks.  You 
might not have a rot problem any more since, I think, you are moving 
away from lead.


Peri

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From: "Jay Summet via EV" 
To: ev@lists.evdl.org
Sent: 31-Aug-15 1:59:46 PM
Subject: Re: [EVDL] suggestions for non-conductive battery box liner?

I received several good suggestions for battery box liners, and 
probably the best match for what I wanted was using Polyethylene  
(HDPE) or ABS plastic.  Unfortunately, their costs were more than my  
"no more than 3 times the cost of plywood" criteria  at $120+ for a 4x8 
sheet, compared to the $20 I spent at home depot for some birch 
plywood.


So, I ended up just buying plywood to replace the existing plywood. It 
has been OK for 10 years, although it is discolored and starting to rot 
in a few places, so I figure it'll be OK for another 10 years, and it's 
certainly cheap enough that I can replace it when I replace the cells 
next.


Jay

On 08/06/2015 08:40 PM, Jay Summet via EV wrote:

I will soon be replacing the lead acid golf cart batteries in my truck
with lithium cells (from a Nissan Leaf).

Currently, the battery boxes are lined with (decaying) 3/16" plywood, 
as

well as 1/2" insulation foam on the bottom, as well as surrounding the
batteries.

I'm interested in replacing the plywood with something non-conductive,
and chemically inert (won't rot). It should be 3/16 (or thinner). I
think I'd prefer rigid material, but would consider spray tack 
adhesive

and a roll of rubberized material of some sort as well.

I plan on using the 1/2" foam again inside of it, so it doesn't need 
to

be very shock absorbing.

What suggestions do people have?  I'm willing to pay up to three times
as much as 3/16th plywood would cost, but the cheaper the better. I'd
prefer things that can be purchased at a Home-Depot or Lowes, although
I've ordered from McMaster Carr before

Thanks,
Jay
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[EVDL] Tesla Model S with 90kWh pack

[Cor van de Water via EV]

I saw an announcement from Tesla today which indicated that the Model S
largest pack has been upgraded from 85 to 90 kWh

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Re: [EVDL] Tesla Model S with 90kWh pack

[brucedp5 via EV]

I had read over a month ago that the 90kWh pack was to be offered. But I feel
I have to do a balancing act of how much I post of one brand over another (I
do not want evdl-member complaints that I am pro-Tesla, or this/that brand
over another). So, I do not post 'all' little details on each brand unless
it has shown the members want them. 

But since Cor did, I can :-)
Here is what I have ...



[dated]
http://www.streetinsider.com/SEC+Filings/Form+4+XEROX+CORP+For%3A+Jul+15+Filed+by%3A+PRINCE+CHARLES/10729843.html
Jul 16, 2015  ... UPDATE: Tesla (TSLA) CEO Musk Announces Upgraded 90-kWh
Battery Pack ...
( % page now does not display update, so see below a day later % )


http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2015/07/17/tesla-motors-inc-announces-more-options-model-s.aspx
Tesla Motors, Inc. Announces More Options for Its Model S ...
Jul 17, 2015 - ... Tesla Motors ... announced ... It costs $3,000 for owners
to upgrade from an 85 kWh battery to a 90 ... Tesla CEO Elon Musk noted
during the call that existing owners will ... recommend doing so since Tesla
expects to "increase pack capacity by roughly 5% per year.".



http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/07/17/autos-tesla-idUSL4N0ZX4OT20150717
UPDATE 2-Tesla adds new top and entry versions of Model S sedan
Jul 17, 2015  At the top of the series, Tesla will offer a 90kWh battery
pack upgrade to the ... The new Model S 90D and P90D will be priced $10,000
higher ...



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EVLN: 452.8 Mile Record In A Tesla-S P85D EV (v)
...  A P90D model is on the way ...
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Re: [EVDL] scoot networks scooter to purchase

[brucedp5 via EV]

[ref
http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/scoot-networks-scooter-to-purchase-tp4677397.html

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ken peakfoto.com
31 Aug 2015
scoot networks scooter to purchase
where can some purchase a scoot outright?
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http://thebestwv.com/business-directory/2388/peakfoto-2/
( % peakfoto in Corvallis, OR % )

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% I am siding with Willie on this one Ken. 
You need to repost with more concise wording of what your escoot goals are. 

As already posted scootnetworks is a SF-CA rental biz. Perhaps you could
contact them to ask if they have used escoots to sell:

http://www.scootnetworks.com/partnerships/
http://www.scootnetworks.com/contact/

They have different models they rent (why I ask for more clarification of
what you want)
Both their regular and cargo escoot models are made in China:

http://www.scootnetworks.com/cargo/

http://www.quora.com/What-model-of-scooter-does-Scoot-use-for-its-fleet
 ... Xin Ri EM05 1200watt manufactured in China

http://www.globalsources.com/si/AS/Jiangsu-Xinri/6008827797641/pdtl/Electric-Scooter/1042678697.htm
Jiangsu Xinri E-Vehicle Co. Ltd  (Min. Order:100 Units)
No.8 Xinri Road, New Century Industry Park, Xishan District, Wuxi, Jiangsu,
China (214104) (86 510) 88109883
http://www.globalsources.com/si/AS/Jiangsu-Xinri/6008827797641/Homepage.htm


Another escoot model is the old-Brammo Electric Motorcycle (now Polaris):

http://www.scootnetworks.com/super-scoot/
Enertia e-Motorcycles

http://www.cycletrader.com/New-or-Used-Brammo--ELECTRIC-Motorcycles/search-results?category=ELECTRIC=Brammo%20|765316492

http://www.motorcycle.com/manufacturer/brammo.html


For everyone else who just wants an Electric scooter, explore the following
links:

http://www.ebay.com/sch/Electric-Scooters-/47349/i.html?_mPrRngCbx=1&_udlo=1%2C250&_udhi=

https://www.google.com/search?q=electric+scooter=vib=suggest=price:1,ppr_min:600=shop=RfTkVb7BAYWrogSU46LABg=20=N

http://www.alibaba.com/products/F0/electric_scooter/CID15484--28-5594.html?spm=a2700.7724857.52.1.S4JKdW





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Re: [EVDL] suggestions for non-conductive battery box liner?

[Jay Summet via EV]

On 08/31/2015 05:58 PM, Peri Hartman wrote:

Well, there's a lot of good to say about plywood.  It's non conductive,
extremely strong, flexible, won't corrode, won't melt, easy to work
with, relatively light.  It burns and rots are it's two drawbacks.  You
might not have a rot problem any more since, I think, you are moving
away from lead.



That was basically my reasoning too...

I'm not sure if the rotting I saw was from acid escaping / water leaks 
from refilling the battery, or if it was from environmental water 
getting in. If the former, things should be better, if not, it is cheap 
to replace every so often


Since I'm using plywood for the end plates to compress my leaf modules, 
I decided that having a non-flammable battery box liner wasn't really 
worth paying extra for. I figure the cells themselves are the major fuel 
source, and if something does happen, the extra fuel from the plywood 
isn't going to matter


Jay
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Re: [EVDL] [SPAM?] Re: EVs Here, There and Everywhere

[Gail Lucas via EV]

If the Tesla owners encountered were actually snobs, wearing designer 
clothes, Rolex watches, with recently styled hair and you were in what 
you wear to work on your EV and no bling, perhaps you were socially 
unacceptable to them. Some people have rather shallow standards, 
probably would not talk to me about my Citicars if I were at an event in 
a dress I had made instead of something they had seen in a fashion 
magazine. If I added a few pounds of gold and diamonds to my attire the 
snobs would love my cars. Just a thought from Las Vegas where 
ostentation rules. Tesla is the designer car brand of the day.


Gail

On 8/30/2015 5:15 PM, Cor van de Water via EV wrote:

Sounds like "Burned EVangelist Syndrome". It is not about you or your EV,
people who behave like that *are* the problem, so don't take their monkey,
it is not your problem.
Please don't get discouraged from talking about your EV to others
because a few are having a problem...

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From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of tomw via EV
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/"I was a little offended when Bruce implied Tesla owners are snobby. I am certainly 
not nor or other Tesla owning EVDLers..."/

A few years ago I was participating in the local club's display of EVs. I 
stepped up to two Tesla S owners talking just as one asked the other if he had 
ever dropped down from a local mountain summit. He had not.  I chimed in that I 
had, and they gave me a look of disdain and turned away.  Last year I was at a 
get together with some people I used to work with.  A VP was proudly discussing 
his Tesla S when a friend mentioned my converted EV.
Again the look of disdain, that my friend would even mention such a vehicle in 
the same conversation.  Not all are that haughty, I know a couple who are not, 
but many more I have met are.
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Re: [EVDL] [SPAM?] Re: EVs Here, There and Everywhere

[Cor van de Water via EV]

Hahahaha,
I definitely have a "blue collar" EV, it being an old light duty pickup truck 
with toolbox

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To: Cor van de Water; Electric Vehicle Discussion List
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If the Tesla owners encountered were actually snobs, wearing designer clothes, 
Rolex watches, with recently styled hair and you were in what you wear to work 
on your EV and no bling, perhaps you were socially unacceptable to them. Some 
people have rather shallow standards, probably would not talk to me about my 
Citicars if I were at an event in a dress I had made instead of something they 
had seen in a fashion magazine. If I added a few pounds of gold and diamonds to 
my attire the snobs would love my cars. Just a thought from Las Vegas where 
ostentation rules. Tesla is the designer car brand of the day.

Gail

On 8/30/2015 5:15 PM, Cor van de Water via EV wrote:
> Sounds like "Burned EVangelist Syndrome". It is not about you or your 
> EV, people who behave like that *are* the problem, so don't take their 
> monkey, it is not your problem.
> Please don't get discouraged from talking about your EV to others 
> because a few are having a problem...
>
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> From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of tomw via EV
> Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2015 9:19 AM
> To: ev@lists.evdl.org
> Subject: Re: [EVDL] [SPAM?] Re: EVs Here, There and Everywhere
>
> /"I was a little offended when Bruce implied Tesla owners are snobby. 
> I am certainly not nor or other Tesla owning EVDLers..."/
>
> A few years ago I was participating in the local club's display of EVs. I 
> stepped up to two Tesla S owners talking just as one asked the other if he 
> had ever dropped down from a local mountain summit. He had not.  I chimed in 
> that I had, and they gave me a look of disdain and turned away.  Last year I 
> was at a get together with some people I used to work with.  A VP was proudly 
> discussing his Tesla S when a friend mentioned my converted EV.
> Again the look of disdain, that my friend would even mention such a vehicle 
> in the same conversation.  Not all are that haughty, I know a couple who are 
> not, but many more I have met are.
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[EVDL] EVLN: Tesla-S spotted – Spied in Malaysia

[brucedp5 via EV]

http://indianautosblog.com/2015/08/tesla-model-s-snapped-malaysia-188496
Tesla Model S spotted in Malaysia – Spied
Aug 24 2015

[images  
http://indianautosblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/Tesla-Model-S-spotted-in-Malaysia.jpg
Tesla Model S front

http://indianautosblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/Tesla-Model-S-rear-spotted-in-Malaysia.jpg
Tesla Model S rear
]

Comes with a large 17-inch touchscreen.

The Tesla Model S electric vehicle has been spotted in Malaysia by Mr.
Christopher, a reader of Paultan. The car is not on sale in Malaysia, and
has been clicked without any camouflage. What makes this picture interesting
is that the Model S captured on camera is the P85+ variant.

The P85+ variant develops 416 bhp and 600 Nm of torque propelling it to 100
km/h from standstill in just 4.2 seconds.

This model is not from the new lineup of the company. It was the fastest of
the Model S range in its time. The P85+ is powered by a single motor on the
rear axle that generates 416 bhp and 600 Nm of torque propelling the
five-door sedan to 100 km/h from standstill in just 4.2 seconds. The claimed
range stands at 426.4 km (EPA certified).

The rear-wheel drive vehicle is not part of the current Model S lineup.

It is not clear what to make out of this spyshot but the website says that
during the start of the year Malaysian Green Technology Corporation
(GreenTech Malaysia) announced their intention of bringing 120 units of the
Model S to be leased to government-linked companies. However they were
supposed to be the 70D and 85 models.
[© indianautosblog.com]
...
http://paultan.org/2015/08/21/spyshots-tesla-model-s-spotted-in-malaysia-again/
SPYSHOTS: Tesla Model S spotted in Malaysia again!
[2015/08/21]



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Tesla's best-ever perfect 103/100 score rating from Consumer Reports
http://www.forbes.com/sites/joannmuller/2015/08/27/is-consumer-reports-crazy-teslas-perfect-score-breaks-the-test/
...
http://www.forbes.com/sites/dalebuss/2015/08/29/tesla-consumer-reports-and-another-moment-for-the-elites/

http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1099701_tesla-tweaks-store-design-to-explain-company-electric-cars-model-x
Tesla Tweaks Store Design To Explain Company, EVs,  X
http://brandchannel.com/2015/08/24/tesla-revamps-stores-082415/

http://www.valuewalk.com/2015/08/tesla-making-preparations-for-model-x-release/
Tesla Making Preparations For Model X Release

http://www.bulletnewsniagara.ca/index.php?p=Sections=5314
Kacaba Vineyards installs EV chargers
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Re: [EVDL] EVs Here, There and Everywhere

[jerry freedomev via EV]

 Hi Mike and All, I see it differently as new EV's 
are a source of lowcost quality EV parts, batteries especially. 
And most of the EV conversions one can update with lithium getting a  100 mile 
+ range EV at low cost one can fix themselves. And as 
controllers get hacked motors, controllers and chargers become cheap.   
  And we can make some EV's with those parts that can really shine or you 
can't get like EV pickups.  Put a Leaf pack in a Karman Ghia EV 
and doing it yourself you have a 240 mile EV for $10k.  For 
more money an extremely fast one.  Or one in an older Mini 
Pickup EV macked out give cool, class, range and a practical pickup.
  Now there is a possibility of a 300 mile range 64Vette all composite 
clone at a reasonable price.   All because of this great new 
parts source production EV's are.
   Jerry Dycus  
   
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I put on an Alternative Vehicle show at my employer each year.  At first, it 
was all conversions.  In the last couple years, it has become about 1/3 
conversions and 2/3 production EVs.  Some of the engineers have specifically 
commented that they would like to see more conversions.  That is hard when they 
are being taken out of service or moving out of the valley and few people are 
building new ones.

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Re: [EVDL] EVLN: EVr Grant upset with iced spots.ca> only a $27 ticket

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On 31 Aug 2015 at 2:29, brucedp5 via EV wrote:

>  this got me thinking about what weight the signs that say "reserved
> for electric vehicles" carry. It turns out that there is very little.
> In fact, it seems that because the charging stations are so new, nobo 

Seems to me that since ICE-heads won't behave like good citizens 
voluntarily, we have to enforce appropriate behavior.  We need a way to 
physically block ICEVs from EV charging spots.  Wouldn't it be great to have 
a stanchion in front of the slot that doesn't retract unless it figures out 
your car's an EV?

Now to figure out how to decide what's an EV and what isn't, without 
requiring retrofit of older EVs, and making it tougher for ICE-heads to 
spoof the gadget.

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[EVDL] EVLN: Becoming fast friends with a Tesla

[brucedp5 via EV]

http://www.capecodtimes.com/article/20150825/NEWS/150829674/101017/ENHANCEDBUSINESS
Becoming fast friends with a Tesla
By Lorelei Stevens  Aug. 25, 2015

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Tesla's Model S hits the road at The Golf Club of Cape Cod in East Falmouth.
If you're looking for an ignition switch on the Model S (or door handles
when the car is under way), you'll be out of luck

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Times business reporter Lorelei Stevens settles in behind the wheel of the
Tesla Model S for a test drive

http://www.capecodtimes.com/storyimage/CC/20150825/NEWS/150829674/EP/1/2/EP-150829674.jpg
Alex Henry shows what's under the hood in the Model S: storage space, since
the car's electric motors are along the front and rear axles
]

The luxury electric car shows plenty to like — including a few surprises —
on a Cape test drive

EAST FALMOUTH — Next time you see a Tesla Model S on the highway, look for
the door handles. You won’t find them.

The handles extend automatically when someone ventures by with the key and
then retract on start up to decrease drag. The feature was just one of many
discoveries I made during a test drive of the ultra-luxury electric
automobile last Tuesday.

I have always liked cars. But apart from borrowing a friend’s 1960s-era
Camaro back in my college days and the occasional surprise rental upgrade,
I’ve stuck with practical, reliable and, most importantly, affordable used
Toyotas.

So when the invitation to take a spin in a Tesla arrived in my inbox, I
RSVP’d as requested and, when the appointed time came, drove my battered
2002 Camry from Hyannis in search of the exclusive Golf Course of Cape Cod.

After a few wrong turns on Falmouth Woods Road, including a fumbled attempt
to enter what turned out to be gated community and an errant stop at The
Cape Club, I finally made the correct turn and spotted the bright red Tesla
awning tent.

In laid-back California style, Alex Henry, a Tesla store manager from
Newport Beach, scanned my driver’s license on an iPad. He then had me read
the somewhat terrifying terms and conditions of my test drive, which
basically said I would be responsible for anything that went wrong while I
was operating the $129,000 vehicle.

I took a breath, touched the pad to accept and we headed out to the cars
casually scattered around the clubhouse parking area.

My first question as we approached the sleek vehicles was, “What’s under the
hood?”

Henry obligingly opened a door and popped the latch. No engine (well, of
course not), just roomy “trunk” space.

The Tesla team thoughtfully brought in all-wheel drive models for the
Northeast leg of its “Next Billion Tour,” which the company launched after
Model S owners worldwide racked up a billion miles in just three years.

The car is powered by two motors, one mounted along the front axle and the
other along the rear, each independently controlling its respective set of
wheels. The set up, Tesla says, provides “unparalleled traction control in
all conditions.” Each motor is about the size of a watermelon.

When Henry asked me which car I wanted to drive, I chose a lustrous
garnet-red one. I opened the door and climbed into the cool interior – the
air conditioner had been running, soundless from the outside.

The first thing I noticed was the immense console touch screen – 17 inches,
Henry told me – displaying a map of the United States with all of Tesla’s
charging stations. The driver can use the screen to map a route, play music,
control the temperature, use a cellphone, chart the vehicle’s energy use,
synchronize work and home calendars, track real-time traffic conditions and
activate the car’s high-definition backup camera.

While standing in the parking area before I got into “my” car, I was
startled when another Tesla suddenly backed up beside me. As a frequent
walker on car-packed West Dennis Beach, I’m always on the lookout for cars
in reverse. There’s usually some warning as drivers start their combustion
engines – noise or exhaust – but the Tesla was silent.

Henry didn’t seem fazed about my concern and, once I was behind the wheel, I
understood why. While the unsuspecting pedestrian might be spooked by the
unheralded movement of the electric car, the Model S driver knows exactly
what’s going on behind the vehicle.

In addition to the backup camera, the car is equipped with a dozen sensors
arrayed across the front and back. Get too close to an obstacle – a rock
wall, a walker or another vehicle – and an exact-position indicator lights
up on the dash.

The flashing changes from yellow to red as the feet, then inches, separating
you tick down. Ultimately, if you ignore the warning, an audible “stop”
insists that you apply the brakes.

Reassured by a better understanding of the collision-avoidance system, I was
ready to go. But how? There was 

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: EVr Grant upset with iced spots.ca> only a $27 ticket

[Paul Dove via EV]

I believe the answer will be solved when someone can profit. Once they are 
charging for electricity then they will tow even the EV if it's done charging 
and still occupying the space. Like parking meters. The other solution is to 
put them at filling stations with the gas pumps so you can shop or sit in a 
restaurant while charging. These things are inevitable as the number of EVs 
grow. 

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[EVDL] EVLN: EVr Grant upset with iced spots.ca> only a $27 ticket

[brucedp5 via EV]

http://www.thestar.com/autos/2015/08/23/ev-charging-stations-deserve-more-respect.html
EV charging stations deserve more respect
By: Gary Grant  Aug 23 2015

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Auto News columnist Gary Grant was appalled to see that the driver of this
car had parked in a spot where an electric charging station was installed.
The rest of the lot was empty
]

Auto News columnist Gary Grant finds himself upset when he discovers that
owners of gas-powered vehicles are parking in places where electric charging
stations have been installed.

Last Sunday morning, following a suitably late sleep-in, I set about my
duties to prepare for the day's BBQ activities. Naturally, a stop at a local
LCBO was in order.

This particular store, on Thickson Road in Whitby, recently installed an
electric vehicle charging station from Sun Country Highway. My visit took
place just after noon and, as one might expect, there were few cars in the
lot.

I was amazed then, to note that a new gasoline-powered car was occupying one
of the two spots dedicated to EVs. I took its picture, intending to shame
the owner on social media — as has become custom these days.

As I paid for my libations, I noticed that an older hatchback had replaced
the other car. In this case, the owner was still there.

I asked the woman who owned the car if she knew that she was parked in a
spot dedicated to electric vehicles. She looked at the sign above her car
and said no. I explained that while most of us can go to a gas station on
the way home if need be, the driver of an electric vehicle cannot and if low
on juice, might not make it.

"Oh, I'll try not to do it again," was the answer.

She made no attempt to move her car elsewhere.

Giving this driver the benefit of the doubt, I will suggest that she was not
inconsiderate. Instead, I will suggest that perhaps she was so busy on a
Sunday afternoon that making an effort to move her vehicle a few metres to
another empty spot was not an option.

I also took a photo of this person's car. I posted a photo of both cars to
Instagram with the caption, "Inconsiderate drivers of Whitby go booze
shopping" or something similar.

Unlike parking places reserved for hybrid cars at home-repair chain stores
and/or for parents with unruly children at shopping malls, charging places
for EVs fulfill a very real and valid purpose.

Before all of you start writing letters to the editor about my insensitivity
toward parents, please note that I have more or less successfully raised
three upstanding citizens without ever using a special parking spot.

All sarcasm aside, this got me thinking about what weight the signs that say
"reserved for electric vehicles" carry. It turns out that there is very
little. In fact, it seems that because the charging stations are so new,
nobody really has a handle on them.

The situation is so serious, however, that drivers of EVs have resorted to
using the term ICE'd — short for internal-combustion engine’d — when they
are blocked out of a charging station, according to John Dixon.

Dixon, who is the founder of the Ontario chapter of the Tesla Motors Club,
pointed me toward dozens of forum threads on the club's website,
www.teslamotorsclub.com , with Tesla owners recounting tales of being ICE'd.

Toronto Police representative Victor Kwong reports that in this city at
least, there are no bylaws supporting the validity of those signs. Electric
Vehicle charging stations, much like dedicated parking spots for parents
with small children, hybrid car spots and those for pregnant women, are
nothing more than a courtesy. The reality is that most of these charging
stations are on private property and policing them is the responsibility of
the property management.

The city itself does not appear to have a grasp on the problem, either.
Operational Planning and Policy Manager Naz Capano says that while there are
no bylaws on the books currently for EV parking stations, laws have been put
into place to protect users of three test charging stations that the city is
about to install as part of a project called "Electric Vehicle On-Street."
When operational, these spots will be behind City Hall on Elizabeth Street,
on Mirvish Way and on Wellington west of Blue Jay Way.

The particular LCBO store where I came across the issue is one of a handful
of "green" test stores, according to LCBO spokesperson Christine Bujold.

"The majority of our 650-plus stores are housed in leased spaces and
therefore are not LCBO-owned property", says Bujold, who adds that "the EV
charging stations you referenced and any enforcement requirements would be
the responsibility of the landlord/property management."

Town of Whitby Parking Services Supervisor Alison Albrecht reinforced this,
saying that, "Private property, such as the spots located outside the LCBO,
are at the property owner’s 

[EVDL] EVLN: Utility sez NZ EVs are biggest green-tourism growth-opportunity

[brucedp5 via EV]

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/71317040/mighty-river-power-boss-fraser-whineray-says-more-could-be-done-to-seize-electric-car-opportunity
Mighty River Power boss Fraser Whineray says more could be done to seize
electric car opportunity
TOM PULLAR-STRECKER  August 23 2015

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pih
]

One company boss fears New Zealand could be wasting its potential to develop
renewables.

New Zealand is the only country that could power all its cars using
renewable electricity but isn't making the switch to electric vehicles fast
enough, a power company boss says.

Mighty River Power boss, Fraser Whineray, said the Government should
publicly recognise electric vehicles were New Zealand's biggest green growth
opportunity and link that to its "100 per cent pure" tourism campaign.

It could also play a role coordinating the roll-out of charging
infrastructure, and ensure visiting dignitaries were picked up in electric
cars, he said.

Whineray told a meeting of the Sustainable Business Council in Wellington
that New Zealand was unique in having planning consent for enough wind
farms, hydro and geothermal power stations to power every car in the
country.

"There is no country in the world that has that renewable electricity
proposition available to it," he said

The Transport Agency last month pointed to a 2007 Transport Ministry
document, saying New Zealand would probably follow developments in London,
Tokyo and California.

Whineray said he and his wife owned two of the 750 electric cars that had so
far been sold in New Zealand; a second-hand Nissan Leaf imported from Japan,
and a plug-in hybrid Mitsubishi Outlander SUV.

He bought the cars after he was announced as the new chief executive of
Mighty River Power, which is one of the country's largest electricity
generators, in May last year.

"I can't credibly stand up and give the talk I did … to the Sustainable
Business Council without having committed my own money. Would I have done it
anyway? Who knows," he said.

Toyota New Zealand chief executive Alistair Davis said hybrid electric
vehicles accounted for about 10 per cent of Toyota's global sales, or about
a million vehicles a year.

They were a "step on the way" to purely electric plug-in cars, he said.

But Business, Innovation and Employment Ministry chief executive David Smol
said he "wouldn't bet the country on electric vehicles just yet".

"I think a mix of solutions will be the future. We continue to think that
oil and gas does have a part to play in the transition to a low-carbon
economy," he said.

Z Energy chief executive Mike Bennetts said Z also didn't "quite believe it
was all going to be about electric vehicles in the future".

Only a third of the 2.4 billion litres of fuel Z supplied each year were
consumed by cars, with the rest going into "planes, trains, boats, trucks
and tractors". Not all of those would necessarily move to electric power, he
said ...

Whineray said New Zealand generated about 80 per cent of its electricity
from renewable sources, putting it third in the world behind Iceland and
Norway, but that only meant half its total energy requirements were met by
renewables.

Mighty River Power would be 100 per cent renewable once it shut its last
gas-fired plant at the end of the year, he said.  

Arguments for electric vehicles were more compelling once you turned the
status quo around, he said.

"Start off with the assumption you have got an electric car and now justify
why you are going to buy a non-electric one. Do you think the atmosphere
needs another two tons, per year, of carbon stuffed into it? Would you
rather spend $2.20 a litre or 30 cents a litre on powering that car?

"When we are standing on the moon looking at the planet, 'marketing' isn't
going to solve it," he said.
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