Re: [EVDL] Tests for second hand purchase

2018-01-29 Thread Cor van de Water via EV 
If it is truly unused then you can remove terminal screws and check for marks 
of previous wire/lug attachments
on a motor you can inspect the mounting holes and axle for any marks of 
mounting or set screw tightening that will leave markings,
besides general scuffing. 
If cells have been sitting on a shelf they look similar dusty but quite 
different worn then when they have bounced around
in a vehicle for a while.
If the controller was installed, it will show as markings around mounting holes 
and on screw terminals.

Besides physical inspection of the goods, check a person's history - typically 
online or by contacting other customers.
There is a reason that employers ask for references. Yelp can be handy at 
times, but take it with a grain of salt as it
can easily be tricked to have lots of great reviews or have a single whiner lay 
out all the negatives that he endured...
Google can be your friend, so use it to build a consistent picture if you have 
no other references.
Success!
Cor.

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Thanks Cor!

Funny, I hadn’t even considered asking for a warranty.  Not the advice I was 
expecting but excellent!

The seller says it is unused equipment but I always like to double check. 

Thank you for the help. 



> On 29 Jan 2018, at 21:23, Cor van de Water via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org> wrote:
> 
> Matthew,
> In my order of preference:
> 1- buy from someone you trust (and others vouch for if you have little 
> experience with them)
> 2- get a written warranty
> 3- consider the money lost in case the quality is not as advertised.
> 
> You may be able to do some crude tests such as guesstimate internal 
> resistance of the cells by loading them with a 100 Amp load and measuring 
> drop, but more important is the remaining capacity of the weakest cell and it 
> is not likely you can determine that from 36 cells in an hour or two.
> 
> It may be possible to wire up the controller to a power source and 
> make the motor spin, which would tell you about obvious damage to bearings or 
> balance, but it is not likely you can easily test it to the limits that it 
> will see on a freeway doing redline, so again you will find out later if the 
> motor is as good as advertised.
> 
> Testing the controller beyond the digital interface that you are already 
> going to access with your program is the same as I wrote above.
> 
> One of the best ways to find out history is to know where the kit came from, 
> so you can ask the previous owner about his use and experience with it.
> Success and I hope this helps,
> Cor.
> 
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> Quitter via EV
> Sent: Monday, January 29, 2018 1:13 PM
> To: ev@lists.evdl.org
> Cc: Matthew Quitter
> Subject: [EVDL] Tests for second hand purchase
> 
> Hi guys,
> 
> I’m off to look at, with an aim to purchase, a bunch of second hand kit: An 
> AC-50, Curtis 1238 and 36 160Ah Thundersky. 
> 
> They’re not installed in anything. I wont have the time to rig the whole kit 
> up to bench test. 
> 
> Has anyone got any suggestions for what tests can be done on a motor and 
> batteries, within an hour or two, to check their condition?
> 
> I can easily bring an RC charger and voltmeter with me. 
> I also have the Curtis 1314 software on a PC and can use to look at the 1238. 
> 
> Is there something that can be used as a suitable test load for the cells?
> 
> What do you guys do when buying second hand EV parts with an unknown history?
> 
> Thank you!
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Re: [EVDL] Tests for second hand purchase

2018-01-29 Thread Matthew Quitter via EV 
Thanks Cor!

Funny, I hadn’t even considered asking for a warranty.  Not the advice I was 
expecting but excellent!

The seller says it is unused equipment but I always like to double check. 

Thank you for the help. 



> On 29 Jan 2018, at 21:23, Cor van de Water via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org> wrote:
> 
> Matthew,
> In my order of preference:
> 1- buy from someone you trust (and others vouch for if you have little 
> experience with them)
> 2- get a written warranty
> 3- consider the money lost in case the quality is not as advertised.
> 
> You may be able to do some crude tests such as guesstimate internal 
> resistance of the cells by loading them with a 100 Amp load and measuring 
> drop,
> but more important is the remaining capacity of the weakest cell and it is 
> not likely you can determine that from 36 cells in an hour or two.
> 
> It may be possible to wire up the controller to a power source and make the 
> motor spin, which would tell you about obvious damage to bearings or balance,
> but it is not likely you can easily test it to the limits that it will see on 
> a freeway doing redline, so again you will find out later if the motor is as 
> good as advertised.
> 
> Testing the controller beyond the digital interface that you are already 
> going to access with your program is the same as I wrote above.
> 
> One of the best ways to find out history is to know where the kit came from, 
> so you can ask the previous owner about his use and experience with it.
> Success and I hope this helps,
> Cor.
> 
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> From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of Matthew Quitter via 
> EV
> Sent: Monday, January 29, 2018 1:13 PM
> To: ev@lists.evdl.org
> Cc: Matthew Quitter
> Subject: [EVDL] Tests for second hand purchase
> 
> Hi guys, 
> 
> I’m off to look at, with an aim to purchase, a bunch of second hand kit: An 
> AC-50, Curtis 1238 and 36 160Ah Thundersky. 
> 
> They’re not installed in anything. I wont have the time to rig the whole kit 
> up to bench test. 
> 
> Has anyone got any suggestions for what tests can be done on a motor and 
> batteries, within an hour or two, to check their condition?
> 
> I can easily bring an RC charger and voltmeter with me. 
> I also have the Curtis 1314 software on a PC and can use to look at the 1238. 
> 
> Is there something that can be used as a suitable test load for the cells?
> 
> What do you guys do when buying second hand EV parts with an unknown history?
> 
> Thank you!
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Re: [EVDL] Tests for second hand purchase

2018-01-29 Thread Cor van de Water via EV 
Matthew,
In my order of preference:
1- buy from someone you trust (and others vouch for if you have little 
experience with them)
2- get a written warranty
3- consider the money lost in case the quality is not as advertised.

You may be able to do some crude tests such as guesstimate internal resistance 
of the cells by loading them with a 100 Amp load and measuring drop,
but more important is the remaining capacity of the weakest cell and it is not 
likely you can determine that from 36 cells in an hour or two.

It may be possible to wire up the controller to a power source and make the 
motor spin, which would tell you about obvious damage to bearings or balance,
but it is not likely you can easily test it to the limits that it will see on a 
freeway doing redline, so again you will find out later if the motor is as good 
as advertised.

Testing the controller beyond the digital interface that you are already going 
to access with your program is the same as I wrote above.

One of the best ways to find out history is to know where the kit came from, so 
you can ask the previous owner about his use and experience with it.
Success and I hope this helps,
Cor.

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To: ev@lists.evdl.org
Cc: Matthew Quitter
Subject: [EVDL] Tests for second hand purchase

Hi guys, 

I’m off to look at, with an aim to purchase, a bunch of second hand kit: An 
AC-50, Curtis 1238 and 36 160Ah Thundersky. 

They’re not installed in anything. I wont have the time to rig the whole kit up 
to bench test. 

Has anyone got any suggestions for what tests can be done on a motor and 
batteries, within an hour or two, to check their condition?

I can easily bring an RC charger and voltmeter with me. 
I also have the Curtis 1314 software on a PC and can use to look at the 1238. 

Is there something that can be used as a suitable test load for the cells?

What do you guys do when buying second hand EV parts with an unknown history?

Thank you!
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[EVDL] Tests for second hand purchase

2018-01-29 Thread Matthew Quitter via EV 
Hi guys, 

I’m off to look at, with an aim to purchase, a bunch of second hand kit: An 
AC-50, Curtis 1238 and 36 160Ah Thundersky. 

They’re not installed in anything. I wont have the time to rig the whole kit up 
to bench test. 

Has anyone got any suggestions for what tests can be done on a motor and 
batteries, within an hour or two, to check their condition?

I can easily bring an RC charger and voltmeter with me. 
I also have the Curtis 1314 software on a PC and can use to look at the 1238. 

Is there something that can be used as a suitable test load for the cells?

What do you guys do when buying second hand EV parts with an unknown history?

Thank you!
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