Re: [Evolution] Evolution 3.0.3 -- when?

2011-08-20 Thread Adam Tauno Williams

Quoting Jonathan Ryshpan jonr...@pacbell.net:


I've been running the Evolution mail system under Fedora-15/KDE for
about 6 weeks now, and it has some very serious problems, which I can
summarize as:
 1. It ignores font control from the KDE Settings-Applications
Appearance window, both KDE font control and GTK+ font control,
also its own internal font control window.
 2. It has trouble sending messages to an SMTP server, sometimes
taking a l-o-n-g time, sometimes timing out. This can be
temporarily cured by restarting it
 3. It crashes when a filter attempts to refile an outgoing
message.
 4. It often asks if I want to recover messages that have never been
lost.
 5. It often locks up receiving mail from a remote POP3 server.
 6. It often refuses to move messages, which can be copied and then
deleted producing the same effect.  I have read that after a
single message has been copied into a folder it will then always
be possible to move messages into the folder; but this is not
so.
 7. Deleted messages often do not disappear from a message list,
even when Show deleted messages is not active, though they do
appear in strikeout type.  Selecting another folder and then
returning to the first folder makes the messages disappear from
the list.


I'm Evolution in GNOME3 on openSUSE 11.4 and I don't believe I've  
encountered any of these issues.


IMO, #2 sounds like the problem lies elsewhere, not in Evolution.

I know I've never seen #4.

Do 6  7 only affect local folders (POP) or remote (IMAP/IMAPX)  
folders as well?


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Re: [Evolution] Evolution for Windows

2011-08-20 Thread Adam Tauno Williams


Aleks Wolff al...@dimexinc.com wrote:
Is there version of Evolution that can be used in Windows? I have Win 7
x64.

I don't believe there is a build/version that is stable or current for Windows

At least three times a year I want to learn Linux, but have not been
successful. Is there a book that I can use to learn Linux.

Just dive in and use it,  that is the only effective way to learn,  U can run a 
LINUX distro on Windows using VirtualBox.

Install VirtualBox
Install an openSUSE 11.4 VM
Start using it

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Re: [Evolution] Evolution for Windows

2011-08-20 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :)
The best way to learn GnuLinux is to jump into a test-drive with a LiveCd and 
explore it for yourself.  


You seem to have completed the first step of becoming familiar with how to get 
help, ie using forums and mailing lists.  Also i guess you are already familiar 
with OpenSource programs such as FireFox/Chrome/Opera instead of IE and 
LibreOffice/OpenOffice instead of MS Office.  


2nd step is to try a few LiveCd sessions to test-drive them on your machine 
without installing anything.  You could do this in a Virtual Machine to avoid 
needing to burn a Cd/Dvd to boot-up from.  Oddly we often say LiveCd even 
when 
using Usb-sticks, Memory-cards, Dvds.  The important point is that you set you 
bios's boot-order to look for the appropriate device before looking at the 
hard-drive.  When you boot-up a LiveCd the system that is installed on your 
hard-drive does not get affected.  You can try to save things onto your 
hard-drive but it's not easy to do so.  So, when you reboot back into the 
system 
that is on your hard-drive there is no trace of the LiveCd session (well, it 
doesn't bypass whatever tracking your isp does).  So a few LiveCd sessions are 
good for taking GnuLinux for a test-drive.  Notice that although Cd/dvd-drives 
are about 100 times slower than a hard-drive GnuLinux will still probably be 
faster than the Windows on the hard-drive.  This is partly due to the way it 
uses Ram more efficiently.  


3rd step is probably to try installing a distro on an old machine, if you have 
one lurking around in a cupboard, or in an attic or can rescue one from some 
offices or from a skip or something.  You probably don't need to do this step 
but it's a good way of getting used to installing an OS if you haven't tried 
doing that before.  Also it gives you a chance to test a lot of different ways 
of installing.  Dual-boot is the best one to try first imo.  Another advantage 
of trying on an old machine is to show how much faster GnuLinux tends to be 
and 
how well it can run even on an old machine.  You don't need to keep upgrading 
your machine so much and it allows you to access data that you might have 
thought was not worth spending the time to copy off an old machine.  


4th is probably to install as a dual-boot on your main machine.  Again this 
leaves the Windows side almost untouched.  Each time you boot-up you will get a 
choice of whether to use GnuLinux or Windows for that session.  I have a 
multi-boot with 3 versions of GnuLinux all able to share the same data quite 
easily.  To start with it's worth setting Windows as the default to boot into 
so 
that you only boot into GnuLinux when you choose to.  Later on you could 
switch 
back to having the GnuLinux as the default choice.  



Now when i want to install GnuLinux on a machine i do step 2 to check hardware 
compatibility.  On older machines and oddly enough on ultra-new machines too i 
sometimes have to try 2 or 3 different distros from different families to 
find 
one that behaves nicely.  Then when i find one i like on that machine i install 
as a dual-boot.  


The LiveCd session usually allows you to install while you are still trying out 
the LiveCd so it's easy to play games or surf the internet at the same time as 
installing the OS to the hard-drive.  


Step 2 and 4 can take as little as a couple of hours even on an old machine.  

Unlike Windows the install usually includes a bunch of useful programs with 
reasonable defaults.  Typically you can expect to find stuff to; surf the 
internet, make use of social networking, torrenting thing,  multi-media 
players, 
dvd/cd burner, office suite, games such as space invaders, chess, 'mahjong', 
suduko.  


Also, crucially, a Package Manager that has a search tool so that you can 
search for other programs or codecs, drivers, libraries, add-ons and things.  
The package manager handles downloading, installing and updating for you.  
Usually you wont need to reboot and once you have chosen a program it tends to 
give you the most up-to-date version so you wont need to update or apply 
patches 
or anything.  When you first install the OS you will probably want to update 
but 
this update runs through a package manager and updates all programs and 
everything all in one go.  


With GnuLinux you don't need to hunt around various different websites for 
things to install; worrying about whether they have been compromised or 
anything.  You can if you want but it is better to let the Package Manager 
handle all of that.  


The best way to learn GnuLinux is to jump into a test-drive with a LiveCd and 
explore it for yourself.  

Regards from
Tom :)





From: Adam Tauno Williams awill...@whitemice.org
To: evolution-list@gnome.org
Sent: Sat, 20 August, 2011 18:17:21
Subject: Re: [Evolution] Evolution for Windows



Aleks Wolff al...@dimexinc.com wrote:
Is there version of Evolution that can be used in Windows? I have Win 7
x64.

I don't believe 

Re: [Evolution] Evolution 3.0.3 -- when?

2011-08-20 Thread Jonathan Ryshpan
On Sat, 2011-08-20 at 10:50 -0400, Adam Tauno Williams wrote:
 Quoting Jonathan Ryshpan jonr...@pacbell.net:
 
  I've been running the Evolution mail system under Fedora-15/KDE for
  about 6 weeks now, and it has some very serious problems, which I can
  summarize as:
   1. It ignores font control from the KDE Settings-Applications
  Appearance window, both KDE font control and GTK+ font control,
  also its own internal font control window.
   2. It has trouble sending messages to an SMTP server, sometimes
  taking a l-o-n-g time, sometimes timing out. This can be
  temporarily cured by restarting it
   3. It crashes when a filter attempts to refile an outgoing
  message.
   4. It often asks if I want to recover messages that have never been
  lost.
   5. It often locks up receiving mail from a remote POP3 server.
   6. It often refuses to move messages, which can be copied and then
  deleted producing the same effect.  I have read that after a
  single message has been copied into a folder it will then always
  be possible to move messages into the folder; but this is not
  so.
   7. Deleted messages often do not disappear from a message list,
  even when Show deleted messages is not active, though they do
  appear in strikeout type.  Selecting another folder and then
  returning to the folder makes the messages disappear from
  the list.
 
 I'm Evolution in GNOME3 on openSUSE 11.4 and I don't believe I've  
 encountered any of these issues.
#1 is a KDE issue.  I didn't have it while running Gnome3.
 IMO, #2 sounds like the problem lies elsewhere, not in Evolution.
Very likely you're right.  I've been waiting for 3.0.3 before doing
serious investigation.
 I know I've never seen #4.
This is not new to me.  I've seen it for about a year, under both Gnome
and KDE.  In the latest version of evolution it happens a lot.
 Do 6  7 only affect local folders (POP) or remote (IMAP/IMAPX)  
 folders as well?
Local folders only.  I don't run IMAP/IMAPX.

 The question remains: When will evolution-3.0.3 (or 3.1.x) be out?


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