[FairfieldLife] Re: Let's lighten things up a bit

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "The Secret"  wrote:
> >
> > The Dune books gave me permission to have many wonderful experiences.
> > The first book in particular clicked with me.  I was shocked to read
> > a synopsis a few weeks ago stating that this was the land of the Ved
> > and then when I yanked up the movie, it was deja vu all over again
> > when I saw that the book became a David Lynch Movie.
> > 
> > Is it possible that The Voice and the sayings and doings of the Bene
> > Gesserit were based on NLP? 
> 
> Not just possible, verified. Frank Herbert and
> many other SciFi writers of that era were aware
> of and interested in such techniques.

Just to clarify, NLP is a bit of a johnny-come-
lately psychological theory, based on and
extrapolated from earlier work by Milton Erickson,
Fritz Perls, and others. While they might not have
known about NLP per se, Herbert and many other SciFi 
writers were heavily influenced by the work of Count 
Korzybski:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfred_Korzybski

[FairfieldLife] Re: Let's lighten things up a bit

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "The Secret" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> The Dune books gave me permission to have many wonderful experiences.
> The first book in particular clicked with me.  I was shocked to read
> a synopsis a few weeks ago stating that this was the land of the Ved
> and then when I yanked up the movie, it was deja vu all over again
> when I saw that the book became a David Lynch Movie.
> 
> Is it possible that The Voice and the sayings and doings of the Bene
> Gesserit were based on NLP? 

Not just possible, verified. Frank Herbert and
many other SciFi writers of that era were aware
of and interested in such techniques.
 
> "I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death
> that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it
> to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn
> the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be
> nothing. Only I will remain."
> --- Frank Herbert, Dune - Bene Gesserit Litany Against Fear
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Let's lighten things up a bit

[The Secret]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I wish it were possible for a person to use a shill in demos like
> these.  You know, someone you pay to do what you want for a show. 
> Like someone who you can pay and then tell them what to say and do
> when the cameras are running.  I guess that is completely impossible.
> 
> It makes more sense that his NLP skills are instantly effective and
> magical on strangers.  Yeah that makes much more sense.  How could
> anyone actually give money to another person for the purposes of
> making it look like they had done something magical?  No way!  That
> could never happen. Other than every working magician I know of, no
> one would use a paid actor to pretend they were innocent...
> 
> 
> Ok now my snarkiness is too much even for me.  I studied NLP and there
> are people who believe that it is all so simple and effective. But it
> doesn't work this well or that instantly. I've trained with some of
> the best, even one of the founders, John Grinder.  This guy is not
> demonstrating NLP or hypnosis, it just doesn't work that way.
> 
> 
The Dune books gave me permission to have many wonderful experiences.
The first book in particular clicked with me.  I was shocked to read
a synopsis a few weeks ago stating that this was the land of the Ved
and then when I yanked up the movie, it was deja vu all over again
when I saw that the book became a David Lynch Movie.

Is it possible that The Voice and the sayings and doings of the Bene
Gesserit were based on NLP? 

"I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death
that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it
to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn
the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be
nothing. Only I will remain."
--- Frank Herbert, Dune - Bene Gesserit Litany Against Fear

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Let's lighten things up a bit

[Samadhi Is Much Closer Than You Think -- Really! -- It's A No-Brainer. Who'd've Thunk It?]

Certainly an NLP trick, done with a highly suggestible entity,
though I wouldn't be surprised that she was a shill either,
and still gullible to be a suggestible to be that shill.




On 1/17/08, curtisdeltablues <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I wish it were possible for a person to use a shill in demos like
> these.  You know, someone you pay to do what you want for a show.
> Like someone who you can pay and then tell them what to say and do
> when the cameras are running.  I guess that is completely impossible.
>
> It makes more sense that his NLP skills are instantly effective and
> magical on strangers.  Yeah that makes much more sense.  How could
> anyone actually give money to another person for the purposes of
> making it look like they had done something magical?  No way!  That
> could never happen. Other than every working magician I know of, no
> one would use a paid actor to pretend they were innocent...
>
>
> Ok now my snarkiness is too much even for me.  I studied NLP and there
> are people who believe that it is all so simple and effective. But it
> doesn't work this well or that instantly. I've trained with some of
> the best, even one of the founders, John Grinder.  This guy is not
> demonstrating NLP or hypnosis, it just doesn't work that way.
>
>
>
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "guyfawkes91" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> >
> > If you have an interest in spiritual practices, group dynamics and the
> > wilder shores of suggestibility here're some YouTube clips which ought
> > to make you laugh, gawp, feel smug and generally leave you scratching
> > your head thinking "What the F...!, Um, er, eh how did he do that". It's
> > a few clips of a British magician/mentalist/entertainer called Derren
> > Brown who is famous in the UK  for mucking about with people's minds
> > while they're not looking and leaving the cameras on to display the
> > effects.
> > Very wild and way cool. He's doing a US series sometime.
> >
> > For a laugh
> >
> > So you think you know the color red when you see it
> > 
> >
> > Has something like this ever happened to you?
> >   Now come on be honest!
> >
> > The trick is explained
> > www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybmOlQRuaYM
> > 
> >
> > A bit more serious
> >
> > You do Voodoo? Are you really sure?
> >    Always question things.
> >
> > Astrology, m   We've
> > heard that one.
> >
> > Catch my dreams!    Have
> > your's been caught?
> >
> > More tricks with Crystals 
> > (without money changing hands!)
> >
> > Playing with collective consciousness
> >
> > Group coherence can be joyful
> >    But beware of Crowd
> > control   You will be
> > assimilated into the group mind!
> >
> > Wisdom of Crowds 
> >
> > Persuasion
> >
> > Cast your mind back, have you ever done something like this
> >   ? and this
> > 
> >
> > Group dynamics are not always fun. Be afraid
> >   and then Be very afraid
> > 
> >
> > If that leaves you feeling in need of upliftment then have a laugh with
> > something very nearly plain
> > vanilla magic    or
> > heartwarming, my fave 
> >
> > I like these clips and other Derren Brown stuff because it forces
> > people to ask questions about their beliefs. Way cool. Check out other
> > DB clips on YouTube and wind up your friends.
> >
> > Enjoy
> >
> > Guy Fawkes

[FairfieldLife] Re: Let's lighten things up a bit

[curtisdeltablues]

I wish it were possible for a person to use a shill in demos like
these.  You know, someone you pay to do what you want for a show. 
Like someone who you can pay and then tell them what to say and do
when the cameras are running.  I guess that is completely impossible.

It makes more sense that his NLP skills are instantly effective and
magical on strangers.  Yeah that makes much more sense.  How could
anyone actually give money to another person for the purposes of
making it look like they had done something magical?  No way!  That
could never happen. Other than every working magician I know of, no
one would use a paid actor to pretend they were innocent...


Ok now my snarkiness is too much even for me.  I studied NLP and there
are people who believe that it is all so simple and effective. But it
doesn't work this well or that instantly. I've trained with some of
the best, even one of the founders, John Grinder.  This guy is not
demonstrating NLP or hypnosis, it just doesn't work that way.




--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "guyfawkes91" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> If you have an interest in spiritual practices, group dynamics and the
> wilder shores of suggestibility here're some YouTube clips which ought
> to make you laugh, gawp, feel smug and generally leave you scratching
> your head thinking "What the F...!, Um, er, eh how did he do that". It's
> a few clips of a British magician/mentalist/entertainer called Derren
> Brown who is famous in the UK  for mucking about with people's minds
> while they're not looking and leaving the cameras on to display the
> effects.
> Very wild and way cool. He's doing a US series sometime.
> 
> For a laugh
> 
> So you think you know the color red when you see it
> 
> 
> Has something like this ever happened to you?
>   Now come on be honest!
> 
> The trick is explained
> www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybmOlQRuaYM
> 
> 
> A bit more serious
> 
> You do Voodoo? Are you really sure?
>    Always question things.
> 
> Astrology, m   We've
> heard that one.
> 
> Catch my dreams!    Have
> your's been caught?
> 
> More tricks with Crystals  
> (without money changing hands!)
> 
> Playing with collective consciousness
> 
> Group coherence can be joyful
>    But beware of Crowd
> control   You will be
> assimilated into the group mind!
> 
> Wisdom of Crowds 
> 
> Persuasion
> 
> Cast your mind back, have you ever done something like this
>   ? and this
> 
> 
> Group dynamics are not always fun. Be afraid
>   and then Be very afraid
> 
> 
> If that leaves you feeling in need of upliftment then have a laugh with
> something very nearly plain
> vanilla magic    or
> heartwarming, my fave 
> 
> I like these clips and other Derren Brown stuff because it forces
> people to ask questions about their beliefs. Way cool. Check out other
> DB clips on YouTube and wind up your friends.
> 
> Enjoy
> 
> Guy Fawkes
>