Pasuspender broken in F10?

2008-12-23 Thread Jonathan Ryshpan
Has anyone been able to use pasuspender successfully in F10?  Here's
what I get when I try to start it; it looks like the argument parsing
code is now working right.  Also the help function looks weird since it
doesn't give any program to start, and it doesn't correspond to the man
page.

$ pasuspender jackd
Failure to suspend: Invalid argument
$ pasuspender -- jackd
Failure to suspend: Invalid argument
$ pasuspender --help
pasuspender [options] ... 

  -h, --helpShow this help
  --version Show version
  -s, --server=SERVER   The name of the server to connect to


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Re: How to get screen resolution of 1440x900?

2008-12-23 Thread Petrus de Calguarium
Kevin Kofler wrote:

> No, the X11 modesetting should also work. The old driver which used the
> BIOS for modesetting isn't used anymore, all current modesetting
> implementations, both the X11 one and the kernel one, do the work on their
> own.

I tried booting with i915.modeset=1 and X stopped at a white screen and went no 
further, locking up the system.

Then I booted without the line (and removing nomodeset) and got into an X 
session.

I ran gtf 1400 1050 60 and got a modeline.

Then, I ran

xrandr --newmode 1400x1050_60.00 122.61 1400 1488 1640 1880 1050 1051 1054 1087 
-HSync +Vsync

and the result was:

X Error of failed request: BadName (named color does not exist)
 Major opcode of failed request: 150 (RANDR)
 Minor opcode of failed request: 16 ()
 Serial number of failed request: 17
 Current serial number in output stream: 17

So, what gives?

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Re: FINAL REMINDER: Fedora 8 EOL

2008-12-23 Thread Jon Stanley
On Tue, Dec 23, 2008 at 6:29 PM, Alan Cox  wrote:

> The bug closes cause notify messages so providing someone updates or
> re-opens them all will be fine. I've got several bugs that started at FC8
> bugs that have already been marked versus newer releases so they can be
> kept open.

In addition, notify messages  have already been put in those bugs that
will be affected.  This note . is simply a reminder that this action
will be taken

Also, if you're not the reporter and can't change the version, I've
just made a place that you can request this. If you go to
https://fedorahosted.org/triage you'll be able to file a ticket there
(you don't need a Fedora account to do so, but make sure to specify
your e-mail address if you want to be notified). Please file under
component 'Version Change'

If you *do* have a Fedora account, you'll be able to login there and
file the ticket and automatically get e-mail notifications.

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Re: is KDE dead - did Gnome win?

2008-12-23 Thread Armin Moradi
On Tue, Dec 23, 2008 at 11:10 AM, Rex Dieter  wrote:

> Armin Moradi wrote:
>
> >> You mean the PolicyKit prompts? Santa is bringing you this review
> >> request. ;-)
> >> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=477199
> >> I'm doing the review, I think we can get this into Rawhide soon, and
> then
> >> we'll see for F10 and F9.
> >>
> >>Kevin Kofler
> >>
> >
> > Thanks! :D  will it be pushed as an update to F10? or should we wait till
> > F11?
>
> Probably coming with/near kde-4.2, when it lands in updates.
>
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Oh that's perfect, thanks Rex!

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Re: Got networking, now missing hardware 3D graphics

2008-12-23 Thread john wendel

tom wrote:


Aside: I can not remember a Red Hat or a Fedora release that has given me
these kinds of fits. I'm sure they have but...  Must have been a while.

To quickly recap the situation. I started by installing F10 from DVD, 
and the networking aspect declined to function. Two reinstalls later, 
and much fussing and fiddling, networking came up on its own with 
Network Manager on the first boot post install. What changed is a 
wonderful question that I have no clue about. On to the next steps 
(obviously)


This is an old machine, and has an nVidia GeForce FX5500 video card in
an AGP slot. I recognize the proprietary nature of nVidia's drivers, so
it was off to RPMfusion to get the 173.X drivers/stuff. After much 
mucking about, I finally got the nvidia driver installed such that I 
could get something other than 640x280 (yuck!), but there is no 
acceleration for OpenGL like there is supposed to be. The error message 
from one application includes the phrase: "Could not create GL context".


Besides my mind, what am I missing here? Or what do I need to post to 
find out what I'm missing? Or


HALP!

Thanks in advance for the assistance



I think nvidia has dropped support for "older" graphics cards in the 
latest driver. You should research the issue on the nvidia web site, but 
I think you'll need to install an older driver.


Regards,

John

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Re: backup of my / filesystem

2008-12-23 Thread Gregory P. Ennis
On Wed, 2008-12-24 at 01:01 +, Timothy Murphy wrote:
> Gregory P. Ennis wrote:
> 
> >> > I backup our system at work (500GB) using rsync. Our New York office
> >> > runs rsync against my backup volume. Over the years I have found rsync
> >> > to be a very reliable tool.
> 
> >> I just got BackupPC to work on my system, after hours of torture.
> >> (Is this the worst documented Linux application?)
> >> Effectively, BackupPC is a GUI front-end to rsync.
> >> Once set up it seems quite impressive to me.
> 
> > Every time I get the chance to get into BackupPC I run out of time
> > trying to get a satisfactory starting point.  I agree with you about the
> > documentation.  Have you uncovered a good tutorial for it?
> 
> No, I looked at 3 tutorials:  
> 
> 
> 
> But I didn't think any of them was very good;
> I just put together bits from each of them.
> 
> In my case, the main problem seemed to be in setting up SSH,
> exchanging keys between backuppc on the server
> and root on the client.
> 
> However, I'm not sure I got everything right;
> I was quite surprized when it started working perfectly!
> 
> 
Timothy,

Thanks for the links.  I understand ssh and have used it for a long time
with perl scripts to create tar files from remote PC's.  However, I have
not made it past the configuration of BackupPC. thanks again for the
links 

Greg

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Re: backup of my / filesystem

2008-12-23 Thread Timothy Murphy
Gregory P. Ennis wrote:

>> > I backup our system at work (500GB) using rsync. Our New York office
>> > runs rsync against my backup volume. Over the years I have found rsync
>> > to be a very reliable tool.

>> I just got BackupPC to work on my system, after hours of torture.
>> (Is this the worst documented Linux application?)
>> Effectively, BackupPC is a GUI front-end to rsync.
>> Once set up it seems quite impressive to me.

> Every time I get the chance to get into BackupPC I run out of time
> trying to get a satisfactory starting point.  I agree with you about the
> documentation.  Have you uncovered a good tutorial for it?

No, I looked at 3 tutorials:

  

But I didn't think any of them was very good;
I just put together bits from each of them.

In my case, the main problem seemed to be in setting up SSH,
exchanging keys between backuppc on the server
and root on the client.

However, I'm not sure I got everything right;
I was quite surprized when it started working perfectly!



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Re: Intel i7

2008-12-23 Thread James Wilkinson
Louis E Garcia II wrote:
> I'm looking at the Dell XPS Studio with the new intel i7 chip. Anyone
> have experience with this new chipset with fedora?

Not personally, but I know a lot of people (including Linus, and the
major server manufacturers) have been running Linux on this processor
for quite a while.

Incidentally, the i7 is a processor¹, not a chipset². The chipset in
this computer is the Intel X58 chipset, which is what practically
everyone will have been using.

As a general rule, you’re much more likely to have problems with
chipsets than processors: new chipsets usually need new drivers (which
may be buggy or not exist), whereas processors are normally expected to
be 100% backwards-compatible with their predecessors. In this case, you
should be fine, since Intel is pretty good these days at ensuring Linux
just works on most of their hardware, Linux is a target market for the
hardware, and the chipsets just aren’t doing anything particularly new
that needs software support.

And there again, you’re much more likely to have problems with dodgy
BIOSes that are only tested with Windows than with chipsets. For that,
you really need to check with someone who’s got a recent Dell.

You may want to ask again, specifically mentioning the graphics chip
you’re planning on getting. It looks like you have a choice of the ATI
Radeon HD 3450 or the 4850. man radeon on F10 mentions the 3450, but not
the 4850.

Hope this helps,

James.

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Re: Can't get Correct Time in Fedora 8

2008-12-23 Thread NiftyFedora Mitch
On Tue, Dec 23, 2008 at 3:38 PM, Jim  wrote:
> Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote:
>>
>> Jim wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Fedora 8 won't keep correct time.
>>> "Unable to connect to time server"  , it doesn' make any difference what
>>> time server you try to connect to.
>>> "ntpd" is running in services.
>>>
/
> Dec 23 14:10:41 x86_64 ntpd[1906]: getaddrinfo: "0.fedora.pool.ntp.org"
> invalid host address, ignored
> Dec 23 14:10:41 x86_64 ntpd[1906]: getaddrinfo: "1.fedora.pool.ntp.org"
> invalid host address, ignored
> Dec 23 14:10:41 x86_64 ntpd[1906]: getaddrinfo: "2.fedora.pool.ntp.org"
> invalid host address, ignored

This tells me that you are not connected to an effective and valid
name server at the time
you are starting NTP.

>
> Dec 21 12:29:40 x86_64 ntpd[1891]: Deleting interface #3 eth2,
> fe80::20f:eaff:fe8c:158d#123, interface stats: received=0, sent=0,
> dropped=0, active_time=1361211 secs

With eth2 I wonder what is dialed in with eth0 and eth1.
A system with multiple interfaces could be routing in
ways that never get connected to anything interesting.

Are you posting from this same host or
from another connection?  If you can email some
things are live.   It may be that some stuff
is not setup at boot time resulting in an error
and later when you get connected NTP has shut down for
want of good services.   If this is the case restart it now
that you are connected...




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Re: How to Restart the service sshd in Fedora Linux System ?

2008-12-23 Thread jdow

From: "Ed Greshko" 
Sent: Tuesday, 2008, December 23 16:30


jdow wrote:

Directory /etc/ssh - should be drwxr-xr-x. The world must have the
rights to read and enter the directory but not write to it.

Most of the files should be -rw---. Only root can read or write
them. None should have x permission. And ssh_config and the .pub
files should be -rw-r--r--.

Nobody but root should be able to write to that directory under any
circumstance or your system is open to exploitation.

Each user ~/.ssh directory should be drwxr-xr-x. Each file should be
-rw-r--r--. (This is probably wrong. The directory probably should be
drwx-- and the files should be -rw---. But under RedHat and
Fedora home directories are drwx--, so people who do not belong
can't get to the directory in the first place.

Yes, your second statement is "more" correct.  The ~/.ssh directory
should be drwx--.

While, as you point out, it won't make a difference in cases where one
doesn't alter the defaults of user creation.  In cases where you assign
groups or add users to various groups it could become a factor.  So as
not to tax ones memory I feel it is good practice to advise drwx--.




Re: Can't get Correct Time in Fedora 8

2008-12-23 Thread Todd Zullinger
Paul W. Frields wrote:
> su -# provide root password
> service ntpd stop
> ntpdate 0.fedora.pool.ntp.org   # or your server of choice
> service ntpd start
> exit

I presume you're stopping ntpd because otherwise ntpdate complains
that "the NTP socket is in use, exiting"?

To avoid that, just use the -u option to ntpdate and it will be able
to update while ntpd is running.

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Re: How to Restart the service sshd in Fedora Linux System ?

2008-12-23 Thread Ed Greshko
jdow wrote:
> Directory /etc/ssh - should be drwxr-xr-x. The world must have the
> rights to read and enter the directory but not write to it.
>
> Most of the files should be -rw---. Only root can read or write
> them. None should have x permission. And ssh_config and the .pub
> files should be -rw-r--r--.
>
> Nobody but root should be able to write to that directory under any
> circumstance or your system is open to exploitation.
>
> Each user ~/.ssh directory should be drwxr-xr-x. Each file should be
> -rw-r--r--. (This is probably wrong. The directory probably should be
> drwx-- and the files should be -rw---. But under RedHat and
> Fedora home directories are drwx--, so people who do not belong
> can't get to the directory in the first place.
Yes, your second statement is "more" correct.  The ~/.ssh directory
should be drwx--.

While, as you point out, it won't make a difference in cases where one
doesn't alter the defaults of user creation.  In cases where you assign
groups or add users to various groups it could become a factor.  So as
not to tax ones memory I feel it is good practice to advise drwx--.





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Re: GPU chips vs Video Cards

2008-12-23 Thread Dave Feustel
On Wed, Dec 24, 2008 at 08:39:47AM +1030, Tim wrote:
> On Tue, 2008-12-23 at 16:34 -0500, Dave Feustel wrote:
> > Various OpenBSD developers have stated that there are OS
> > vulnerabilities introduced by the use of video card hardware features
> > by X. It's been a while since I read the details, but I wonder if the
> > GPU chips might be able to run in user (non-priviledged) mode only,
> > thus precluding the possibility of exploits based upon direct hardware
> > access given the video card software.
> 
> Are you sure that's not just issues because of X, and maybe drivers, not
> the actual graphics cards, themselves? 

It is my impression that the security vulnerabilities associated with
the graphics cards stem from the abiltiy of the cards to access all of
memory using dma. The OpenBSD people said that the only way to avoid
this problem is to not allow X access to the video card.
 
> If anything, I'd expect more issues with GPUs, as they're not all just
> usable for graphics, some are usable as an additional CPU for other
> purposes.

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Re: Can't get Correct Time in Fedora 8

2008-12-23 Thread Todd Zullinger
Jim wrote:
> Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote:
>> To you have a full-time internet connection?
>>   
> yes

If the ntpd service starts before NetworkManager brings up your
network connection, ntpd doesn't always seem to be able to connect.
If you restart ntpd after your connection is brought up, does it work
then?  (If your time is way off, you might need to sync it manually,
using "ntpdate -u $some_time_server".)

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Re: Can't get Correct Time in Fedora 8

2008-12-23 Thread Paul W. Frields
On Wed, Dec 24, 2008 at 10:41:50AM +1030, Tim wrote:
> On Tue, 2008-12-23 at 18:38 -0500, Jim wrote:
> > Dec 21 12:41:34 x86_64 ntpd[1906]: getaddrinfo: "0.fedora.pool.ntp.org" 
> > invalid host address, ignored
> > Dec 21 12:41:34 x86_64 ntpd[1906]: getaddrinfo: "1.fedora.pool.ntp.org" 
> > invalid host address, ignored
> > Dec 21 12:41:34 x86_64 ntpd[1906]: getaddrinfo: "2.fedora.pool.ntp.org" 
> > invalid host address, ignored
> 
> Are you using NetworkManager to handle your network?  In Fedora 9 I
> found that NTPD was started before the network was brought up, and NTPD
> never tried again after the network came to life.  There were at least
> two solutions:
> 
>  1. Stop using NetworkManager (use the network service, instead).
>  2. Restart NTPD after the network's alive (add a script for the
> power management daemon).

In that case, to fix this, you can probably run system-config-time
and, under the NTP tab, and Advanced Options, turn off the option
labeled "Synchronize clock when system starts."

To make sure that the clock is relatively in sync for the future
without having to take a long time for the skew to be resolved, you
can do this:

su -# provide root password
service ntpd stop
ntpdate 0.fedora.pool.ntp.org   # or your server of choice
service ntpd start
exit

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Re: Cheese

2008-12-23 Thread Christoph Unger
Yes, I do have the corresponding .desktop file,but I am still
missing the entry in the menu, as you can see on the screenshot.
In my german version of Fedora, the entry ought to be "Cheese-Website".
But as you can see, it is not there.

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Re: How to Restart the service sshd in Fedora Linux System ?

2008-12-23 Thread jdow

Directory /etc/ssh - should be drwxr-xr-x. The world must have the
rights to read and enter the directory but not write to it.

Most of the files should be -rw---. Only root can read or write
them. None should have x permission. And ssh_config and the .pub
files should be -rw-r--r--.

Nobody but root should be able to write to that directory under any
circumstance or your system is open to exploitation.

Each user ~/.ssh directory should be drwxr-xr-x. Each file should be
-rw-r--r--. (This is probably wrong. The directory probably should be
drwx-- and the files should be -rw---. But under RedHat and
Fedora home directories are drwx--, so people who do not belong
can't get to the directory in the first place.

{^_^}
- Original Message - 
From: "Rick Stevens" 

Sent: Tuesday, 2008, December 23 10:27



Jyotishmaan Ray wrote:
Please tell me whose permissions should be 700, please name the files 
whose permissions I must set to 700, and also let me know if anuthing 
lese has to be done in order to execute the ssh command.


My set up is as follows:

The /etc/ssh directory is owned by root, group of root and have 755
permissions (rwxrw-rw-).  The files IN /etc/ssh are all be owned by
root, group of root with 500 permissions (rw---) EXCEPT ssh_config
and any "*.pub" files.  Those have 544 permissions (rw-r--r--).

In _your_ home directory, the .ssh directory is owned by you with your
group and have 700 permissions (rwx--).  The files in it should
be owned by you with your group and have 500 permissions (rw---)
except any "*.pub" files, which can have 544 permissions (rw-r--r--).

Really, since the directory can only be read by you, all files could be
544 (rw-r--r--).  ssh really is worried about someone other than you
writing to those files.


--- On Mon, 12/22/08, Aaron Konstam  wrote:
From: Aaron Konstam 
Subject: Re: How to Restart the service sshd in Fedora Linux System ?
To: jyotishm...@yahoo.com, "Community assistance, encouragement, and 
advice for using Fedora." 

Date: Monday, December 22, 2008, 9:26 PM

On Mon, 2008-12-22 at 05:06 -0800, Jyotishmaan Ray wrote:

Dear All FEDORA Users,

I am a new bir in fedora linux system as administrator.

Please tell me one thing.
In my fedora linux os server, i am not able to sshd service .

The thing is that, once I had to change the permissions of the files
just in order to avoid the other users to explore the system, using
chmod command. However, I have immediately changed the permissons
again back.


Soon after that I could not log on to the fedora server systm using
the ssh  serverhostname username command.

When tried to run sshd service using service sshd restart, I got the
folloeing errors shown below:-


Permissions 0755 for '/etc/ssh/ssh_host_dsa_key' are too open.
It is recommended that your private key files are NOT accessible by
others.
This private key will be ignored.
bad permissions :ignore key: /etc/ssh/ssh_host_dsa_key
Could not load host key : /etc/ssh/ssh_host_dsa_key
Disabling protocol version 2. Could not load host key
sshd: no  hostkeys available --exiting



Please immedialtely let me know, what to fix in order to restart the
service sshd.


Permissions should be 700.








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Re: Can't get Correct Time in Fedora 8

2008-12-23 Thread Tim
On Tue, 2008-12-23 at 18:38 -0500, Jim wrote:
> Dec 21 12:41:34 x86_64 ntpd[1906]: getaddrinfo: "0.fedora.pool.ntp.org" 
> invalid host address, ignored
> Dec 21 12:41:34 x86_64 ntpd[1906]: getaddrinfo: "1.fedora.pool.ntp.org" 
> invalid host address, ignored
> Dec 21 12:41:34 x86_64 ntpd[1906]: getaddrinfo: "2.fedora.pool.ntp.org" 
> invalid host address, ignored

Are you using NetworkManager to handle your network?  In Fedora 9 I
found that NTPD was started before the network was brought up, and NTPD
never tried again after the network came to life.  There were at least
two solutions:

 1. Stop using NetworkManager (use the network service, instead).
 2. Restart NTPD after the network's alive (add a script for the
power management daemon).

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Re: Cheese

2008-12-23 Thread Jeff Spaleta
On Tue, Dec 23, 2008 at 2:46 PM, Christoph Unger
 wrote:
> Installing and removing gpodder with yum works fine.
> I can install cheese, but the icons now don't even
> show up in the application menu.

What?  Here is what I see when I install cheese

menu: Applications->Sound & Video:
menu item: Cheese Webcam Booth

do you have a file on your system called
/usr/share/applications/cheese.desktop  ?


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Re: Can't get Correct Time in Fedora 8

2008-12-23 Thread Jim

Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote:

Jim wrote:
  

Fedora 8 won't keep correct time.
"Unable to connect to time server"  , it doesn' make any difference what
time server you try to connect to.
"ntpd" is running in services.



Dumb question time:

To you have a full-time internet connection?
  

yes

Is your network configured properly?
(Can you connect to web sites like http://www/google.com?)
  

yes

What does /var/log/messages show? (nptd messages)

Mikkel
  
ntpd[1906]: Listening on interface #2 eth0, fe80::20f:eaff:fe8c:135c#123 
Enabled
Dec 23 14:15:42 x86_64 ntpd[1906]: Listening on interface #3 eth0, 
172.16.1.38#123 Enabled


Dec 21 12:34:59 x86_64 ntpd[1891]: ntpd exiting on signal 15

Dec 21 12:41:34 x86_64 ntpd[1905]: ntpd 4.2@1.1520-o Tue Apr 15 
14:22:43 UTC 2008 (1)

Dec 21 12:41:34 x86_64 ntpd[1906]: precision = 1.000 usec
Dec 21 12:41:34 x86_64 ntpd[1906]: Listening on interface #0 wildcard, 
0.0.0.0#123 Disabled
Dec 21 12:41:34 x86_64 ntpd[1906]: Listening on interface #1 wildcard, 
::#123 Disabled

Dec 21 12:41:34 x86_64 ntpd[1906]: kernel time sync status 0040
Dec 21 12:41:34 x86_64 ntpd[1906]: frequency initialized 0.000 PPM from 
/var/lib/ntp/drift
Dec 21 12:41:34 x86_64 ntpd[1906]: getaddrinfo: "0.fedora.pool.ntp.org" 
invalid host address, ignored
Dec 21 12:41:34 x86_64 ntpd[1906]: getaddrinfo: "1.fedora.pool.ntp.org" 
invalid host address, ignored
Dec 21 12:41:34 x86_64 ntpd[1906]: getaddrinfo: "2.fedora.pool.ntp.org" 
invalid host address, ignored


Dec 21 12:56:34 x86_64 ntpd[1906]: ntpd exiting on signal 15

Dec 21 12:59:33 x86_64 ntpd[1904]: ntpd 4.2@1.1520-o Tue Apr 15 
14:22:43 UTC 2008 (1)

Dec 21 12:59:33 x86_64 ntpd[1905]: precision = 1.000 usec
Dec 21 12:59:33 x86_64 ntpd[1905]: Listening on interface #0 wildcard, 
0.0.0.0#123 Disabled
Dec 21 12:59:33 x86_64 ntpd[1905]: Listening on interface #1 wildcard, 
::#123 Disabled

Dec 21 12:59:33 x86_64 ntpd[1905]: kernel time sync status 0040
Dec 21 12:59:33 x86_64 ntpd[1905]: frequency initialized 0.000 PPM from 
/var/lib/ntp/drift
Dec 21 12:59:33 x86_64 ntpd[1905]: getaddrinfo: "0.fedora.pool.ntp.org" 
invalid host address, ignored
Dec 21 12:59:33 x86_64 ntpd[1905]: getaddrinfo: "1.fedora.pool.ntp.org" 
invalid host address, ignored
Dec 21 12:59:33 x86_64 ntpd[1905]: getaddrinfo: "2.fedora.pool.ntp.org" 
invalid host address, ignored


Dec 21 13:04:34 x86_64 ntpd[1905]: Listening on interface #2 eth0, 
fe80::20f:eaff:fe8c:135c#123 Enabled
Dec 21 13:04:34 x86_64 ntpd[1905]: Listening on interface #3 eth0, 
172.16.1.38#123 Enabled


Dec 23 14:09:21 x86_64 ntpd[1905]: ntpd exiting on signal 15

ntpd[1905]: ntpd 4.2@1.1520-o Tue Apr 15 14:22:43 UTC 2008 (1)


Dec 23 14:10:41 x86_64 ntpd[1906]: precision = 1.000 usec
Dec 23 14:10:41 x86_64 ntpd[1906]: Listening on interface #0 wildcard, 
0.0.0.0#123 Disabled
Dec 23 14:10:41 x86_64 ntpd[1906]: Listening on interface #1 wildcard, 
::#123 Disabled

Dec 23 14:10:41 x86_64 ntpd[1906]: kernel time sync status 0040
Dec 23 14:10:41 x86_64 ntpd[1906]: frequency initialized 0.000 PPM from 
/var/lib/ntp/drift
Dec 23 14:10:41 x86_64 ntpd[1906]: getaddrinfo: "0.fedora.pool.ntp.org" 
invalid host address, ignored
Dec 23 14:10:41 x86_64 ntpd[1906]: getaddrinfo: "1.fedora.pool.ntp.org" 
invalid host address, ignored
Dec 23 14:10:41 x86_64 ntpd[1906]: getaddrinfo: "2.fedora.pool.ntp.org" 
invalid host address, ignored


ntpd[1906]: Listening on interface #2 eth0, fe80::20f:eaff:fe8c:135c#123 
Enabled
Dec 23 14:15:42 x86_64 ntpd[1906]: Listening on interface #3 eth0, 
172.16.1.38#123 Enabled


Dec 21 12:29:40 x86_64 ntpd[1891]: Deleting interface #3 eth2, 
fe80::20f:eaff:fe8c:158d#123, interface stats: received=0, sent=0, 
dropped=0, active_time=1361211 secs


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Re: Cheese

2008-12-23 Thread Christoph Unger
Installing and removing gpodder with yum works fine.
I can install cheese, but the icons now don't even
show up in the application menu.
Restarting gnome-panel or a full reboot did not bring any
other results. Starting cheese from the console works.

Christoph

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Re: FINAL REMINDER: Fedora 8 EOL

2008-12-23 Thread Alan Cox
On Wed, 24 Dec 2008 08:37:44 +1030
Tim  wrote:

> On Tue, 2008-12-23 at 13:55 -0500, Jon Stanley wrote:
> > Also as of that date, all open bugs against Fedora 8 will be CLOSED WONTFIX.
> 
> I'm curious as to whether that's a blanket effect against all Fedora 8
> bugs, or takes into account bugs that also affect later versions.
> 
> e.g. The bug gets reported against 8, but some of the addendums people
> attach include 9 or 10.

The bug closes cause notify messages so providing someone updates or
re-opens them all will be fine. I've got several bugs that started at FC8
bugs that have already been marked versus newer releases so they can be
kept open.

Alan

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Re: backup of my / filesystem

2008-12-23 Thread Gregory P. Ennis
On Tue, 2008-12-23 at 13:52 +, Timothy Murphy wrote:
> Jerry Feldman wrote:
> 
> > I backup our system at work (500GB) using rsync. Our New York office
> > runs rsync against my backup volume. Over the years I have found rsync
> > to be a very reliable tool.
> 
> I just got BackupPC to work on my system, after hours of torture.
> (Is this the worst documented Linux application?)
> Effectively, BackupPC is a GUI front-end to rsync.
> Once set up it seems quite impressive to me.
> 
> 
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Timothy,

Every time I get the chance to get into BackupPC I run out of time
trying to get a satisfactory starting point.  I agree with you about the
documentation.  Have you uncovered a good tutorial for it?

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Re: FINAL REMINDER: Fedora 8 EOL

2008-12-23 Thread Paul W. Frields
On Wed, Dec 24, 2008 at 08:37:44AM +1030, Tim wrote:
> On Tue, 2008-12-23 at 13:55 -0500, Jon Stanley wrote:
> > Also as of that date, all open bugs against Fedora 8 will be CLOSED WONTFIX.
> 
> I'm curious as to whether that's a blanket effect against all Fedora 8
> bugs, or takes into account bugs that also affect later versions.
> 
> e.g. The bug gets reported against 8, but some of the addendums people
> attach include 9 or 10.

In that case, those bugs should be moved by the reporter(s) to a later
version if they do apply to a later release.  You can do that
proactively, in which case the bug sweep won't affect them.

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Re: FINAL REMINDER: Fedora 8 EOL

2008-12-23 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Wed, 24 Dec 2008 08:37:44 +1030
Tim  wrote:

> On Tue, 2008-12-23 at 13:55 -0500, Jon Stanley wrote:
> > Also as of that date, all open bugs against Fedora 8 will be CLOSED
> > WONTFIX.
> 
> I'm curious as to whether that's a blanket effect against all Fedora 8
> bugs, or takes into account bugs that also affect later versions.
> 
> e.g. The bug gets reported against 8, but some of the addendums people
> attach include 9 or 10.

If they are still set against 8 they will be closed. 

If you spot one that does apply to 9 or 10, change the version now to 9
or 10, or do so later and reopen it. 

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Re: FINAL REMINDER: Fedora 8 EOL

2008-12-23 Thread Tim
On Tue, 2008-12-23 at 13:55 -0500, Jon Stanley wrote:
> Also as of that date, all open bugs against Fedora 8 will be CLOSED WONTFIX.

I'm curious as to whether that's a blanket effect against all Fedora 8
bugs, or takes into account bugs that also affect later versions.

e.g. The bug gets reported against 8, but some of the addendums people
attach include 9 or 10.

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Re: GPU chips vs Video Cards

2008-12-23 Thread Tim
On Tue, 2008-12-23 at 16:34 -0500, Dave Feustel wrote:
> Various OpenBSD developers have stated that there are OS
> vulnerabilities introduced by the use of video card hardware features
> by X. It's been a while since I read the details, but I wonder if the
> GPU chips might be able to run in user (non-priviledged) mode only,
> thus precluding the possibility of exploits based upon direct hardware
> access given the video card software.

Are you sure that's not just issues because of X, and maybe drivers, not
the actual graphics cards, themselves? 

If anything, I'd expect more issues with GPUs, as they're not all just
usable for graphics, some are usable as an additional CPU for other
purposes.

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Re: Advice to an audiophobe ??

2008-12-23 Thread Tim
On Tue, 2008-12-23 at 10:55 -0500, William Case wrote:
>   * What is the difference between alsa and pulseaudio?

Major differences:  Pulseaudio can produce different sounds at the same
time (e.g. your IM program can bleep at you while your music program
carries on playing music, and do so without crashes, hangs, hold-ups for
one to finish, or nasty noises), and with individual volume controls for
each (e.g. your IM bleeps subdued, while your music may be reasonably
loud).

>   * What is the difference between Master, PCM, Front, Line-in, CD,
> PC-Speaker etc. ?

Master is the overall volume control over everything, the same control
that you're used to on your stereo system.

PCM is just the volume control for generated sounds (Waves, MP3s, etc.).

Front is the volume control for the front speakers, if you have a system
with front and rear speakers (3 - 5, or more, speaker systems).  Used as
a balance control between front versus rear sound levels.

Line-in will control the volume from the analogue audio line-in in
socket (which may accept signals from something like 0.2 to 2 volts of
audio, compare that to microphone sockets, which may use something in
the range of 0.0001 to 0.010 volts, i.e. there's a large factor of
difference between line and microphone signal levels).

CD will (generally) control the volume from the (3 or 4 pin) analogue
audio cable between the CD/DVD drive and the sound card.  Although it's
*possible* that systems digitally decoding the audio stream from the
data from the drive (down the IDE/SATA cable) may *also* pay attention
to that volume control, it's generally a hardware control of the line
input on the audio card.

PC speaker controls, if it's connected, the motherboard beeper volume
through the sound card.  On some systems, that's a cable between the
beeper output and a sound card input, on others its handled without
additional cabling, and others it can't be done.

These individual mixer input controls should normally be left off if you
never use them, as they can each introduce noise (hiss, beeps and
burbles, etc.) to the system.  And when you do use them, it's dependent
on the card whether the nominal position for the level control is all
the way up (for simplicity's sake), or part way up (allowing you to
listen to signals that are really too low in level).  And again, there's
variances as to where the partial position may be (e.g. half way, or
three quarters up).  Also, what's connected to the mixer plays a role
there, whether it has a low output level that will need boosting, the
same level as the card expects, or a high level that will normally be
too much.

>   * How is sound related to video ?

Sound is the sound, video is the picture...  The question is too vague
to be answerable.

>   * Why are there so many files associated with producing sound?

Driver-wise, there's a plethora of different sound cards, which all work
very differently, and each have differing controls available to the
user.  There's a plethora of different audio codecs.  For playing MIDI
files, something needs to generate the actual sounds each note will play
(that could be one file per sound, or you could make use of hardware
that does it).

That's another almost unanswerable question.

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Re: backup of my / filesystem

2008-12-23 Thread Mike Chambers
On Tue, 2008-12-23 at 11:54 -0800, Mike Cloaked wrote:
> 
> Sorry the previous file was an old one - this is the correct script
> http://www.nabble.com/file/p21150355/backall backall 

So your script backsup what is in the list= line?

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what does pulse, pulse-access and pulse-rt get me?

2008-12-23 Thread Frank Cox
I've noticed that my sound seems to go away sometimes.  Most of the time it
seems to be fine, but occasionally when I try to run a program that uses sound
I get "Error opening PCM device default: Connection refused"

Restarting pulseaudio seems to get it going again:

pulseaudio -k ; pulseaudio -D --log-target=syslog

When pulseaudio starts, /var/log/messages tells me:

QUOTE:
 We are not in group 'pulse-rt' and PolicyKit refuse to grant us privileges.
Dropping SUID again. Dec 23 15:08:14 mutt pulseaudio[21344]: main.c: For
enabling real-time schedulin g please acquire the appropriate PolicyKit
privileges, or become a member of 'pu lse-rt', or increase the
RLIMIT_NICE/RLIMIT_RTPRIO resource limits for this user .
Dec 23 15:08:14 mutt pulseaudio[21344]: main.c: High-priority scheduling enabled
 in configuration but not allowed by policy.
END OF QUOTE

pulse, pulse-access and pulse-rt groups all exist on this computer but I'm not
a member of any of them.  Again, though, my sound mostly works.

Would I gain something by joining these groups?  I've done some reading about
this and the purpose of these groups is still not clear to me.

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Re: GPU chips vs Video Cards

2008-12-23 Thread Dave Feustel
On Tue, Dec 23, 2008 at 01:01:32PM -0800, suvayu ali wrote:
> 2008/12/23 Kam Leo 
> 
> > On Tue, Dec 23, 2008 at 2:54 AM, Dave Feustel 
> > wrote:
> > > Will the use of GPU chips eliminate the need for video cards
> > > and/or eliminate the security vulnerabilities that the video
> > > cards introduce into operating systems?
> > >
> > > Thanks.
> >
> > No. Similar to what is already on the market. You have integrated
> > video on many motherboards but still have a market for high
> > performance (gamers, etc.) video.
> >
> 
> I just bought a Radeon HD 4870 yesterday. Now until the day an integrated
> chip can match that, as Leo says, a market for high end graphics solutions
> will always exist.
> 
> However I don't understand what you mean by security vulnerabilities
> introduced by discrete video cards. Could you elaborate on that a little
> more?

Various OpenBSD developers have stated that there are OS vulnerabilities
introduced by the use of video card hardware features by X. It's been a
while since I read the details, but I wonder if the GPU chips might be
able to run in user (non-priviledged) mode only, thus precluding the
possibility of exploits based upon direct hardware access given the
video card software.

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Re: 64bit JRE Mozilla plugin ?

2008-12-23 Thread Kevin J. Cummings

Jim wrote:

Michael Cronenworth wrote:

Kevin Kempter wrote:


Hi all;

anyone know how to get a 64bit JRE/java plugin for firefox working ?

Thanks in advance



# yum install java-1.6.0-openjdk-plugin


I ran yum install java-1.6.0-openjdk-plugin and got the below Error 
message.


"No package java-1.6.0-openjdk-plugin available".



I have the following installed on my F9 system:

java-1.6.0-openjdk-plugin-1.6.0.0-0.20.b09.fc9.x86_64

It has a build date of 2008-12-02 and was built at 
x86-4.fedora.phx.redhat.com


The symlink list on my system looks like:

/usr/lib64/mozilla/plugins-wrapped/libjavaplugin.so ->
/usr/lib64/mozilla/plugins/libjavaplugin.so ->
/etc/alternatives/libjavaplugin.so.x86_64 ->
/usr/lib/jvm/jre-1.6.0-openjdk.x86_64/lib/amd64/gcjwebplugin.so


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Re: GPU chips vs Video Cards

2008-12-23 Thread suvayu ali
2008/12/23 Kam Leo 

> On Tue, Dec 23, 2008 at 2:54 AM, Dave Feustel 
> wrote:
> > Will the use of GPU chips eliminate the need for video cards
> > and/or eliminate the security vulnerabilities that the video
> > cards introduce into operating systems?
> >
> > Thanks.
>
> No. Similar to what is already on the market. You have integrated
> video on many motherboards but still have a market for high
> performance (gamers, etc.) video.
>

I just bought a Radeon HD 4870 yesterday. Now until the day an integrated
chip can match that, as Leo says, a market for high end graphics solutions
will always exist.

However I don't understand what you mean by security vulnerabilities
introduced by discrete video cards. Could you elaborate on that a little
more?

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Re: Updating and installing packages without an internet connection

2008-12-23 Thread suvayu ali
>
> > ... How would
> > dependency resolution work in that case? Is there any way I can find
> > that out beforehand and download all the dependency pacakges as well?
>
> Yup. Install gnome-packagekit-extra and use the service pack creator[1]
> on a live CD.
>
> Richard.
>
> [1] http://www.packagekit.org/img/gpk-service-pack.png
>

After I read your reply, I looked at your blog post about this. Sounds very
useful, specially for my case. How would this work exactly in my case, since
I would be downloading the updates / new packages on Ubuntu?

btw, thanks for all the worthwhile suggestions. I 'll have to do some more
reading on all these.

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Fedora 10 and cups remote printing failures

2008-12-23 Thread Gregory P. Ennis
Everyone,

I have had an FC10 install on my personal desktop replacing an FC7
system on the same 64x computer.

Cups printing with 3 separate networks worked perfectly with Fc7, but I
am unable to print to one of the remote networks.

I have cups managing the print functions for three separate networks. My
Desktop is behind the network described below as Local.  Local printing
and printing to Remote B works perfectly.  I am unable to print to
Remote A although lpstat -a produces the following data :


Locallpt0 accepting requests since Tue 23 Dec 
Remote A lp...@degw.domain.com accepting requests since Tue 23 
Remote A l...@degw.domain.com accepting requests since Tue 23  
Remote A l...@degw.domain.com accepting requests since Tue 23 
Remote B lpt3 accepting requests since Tue 23 Dec 
Remote A l...@degw.domain.com accepting requests since Tue 23
Remote A l...@degw.domain.com accepting requests since Tue 23
Remote B lpt6 accepting requests since Tue 23 
Remote A l...@degw.domain.com accepting requests since Tue 23
Remote A l...@degw.domain.com accepting requests since Tue 23

The local network is served by a Centos 5.2 os and cups 1.2.4
Remote A network is served by a Centos 5.2 os and cups 1.2.4
Remote B network is served by a Fedora 5 os and cups 1.2.8

My Desktop Fc10 uses cups 1.3.9 and i have the /etc/cups/client.conf
file pointing to my local print server with :
ServerName Mail.Local.net

The cups servers have not changed, and worked with Fc7.  now it appears
when the printer name is appeneded with the name of the cups server my
desktop Fc10 unit identifies the printer but I can not print anything to
it.  In particular evolution lists all of the above printers but when
one with the @DeGw.Domain.com is picked the print tab is not
highlighted and therefore I can not print.  If one of the other printers
is used either Remote B or Local it works fine.

All updates on all print servers are in place.  Obviously there is
nothing to update with the FC5 unit, but it is working with Fc10.  All
updates are in place on the Fc10  unit.

Any ideas?

Greg Ennis


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Re: Updating and installing packages without an internet connection

2008-12-23 Thread suvayu ali
First of all sorry for not replying sooner. I had gone to get the desktop.
^_^ Got it all, except the CPU, placed a backorder for that. :P

2008/12/22 John Brier 

> suvayu ali wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I am getting a new desktop probably today, and is going to install F10 on
>> it. However my problem is I don't have an internet connection at home. So
>> is
>> there a way to apply updates? I did find some suggestions in the archives.
>> Most said to download all the updates onto some media and use rpm -Fvh
>> *.rpm. Even if I overlook the size of the downloads, this won't work if I
>> were to install new packages. How would dependency resolution work in that
>> case? Is there any way I can find that out beforehand and download all the
>> dependency pacakges as well?
>>
>> The only machines with an internet connection I have access to, are at the
>> university. However since all of them run Ubuntu, doing an rpm query on
>> the
>> new package is not feasible. Any suggestions?
>>
>>
>>
> You can make a local yum repo with the installation DVD ISO or maybe even
> the Fedora Spins to get the newer rpms:
>
> http://kbase.redhat.com/faq/docs/DOC-9893
>

Thats a very simple and effective way to do it. However for me to have the
updated packages or any new packages I will have to go for the spins. But
all of the spins are offered as torrents, and the university blocks all
torrent downloads. If only the spins were mirrored somewhere 

John Brier
>

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how can bring up eth0:2 only

2008-12-23 Thread adrian kok
Hi all

how can bring up eth0:2 only

ifconfig eth0:2 up is not working

I have to use service network restart

but it restarts all network interfaces

Thank you


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Re: Fedora 10 ctf-alt-F2

2008-12-23 Thread Don Levey
Jerry Feldman wrote:
> On 12/23/2008 02:50 PM, Don Levey wrote:
>
>> That makes sense, I guess - this part of the question was relatively
>> minor anyway.  What I'd really like is to find a way to do all this
>> without the Gnome session requirement.
>>
>>   
> Don,
> I don't recall fro the thread, but what Display Manager are you using.
> Does it make a difference if you are running kdm or gdm?
> 

Good question.  Hmm... From my reading, I'm probably running gdm; I
don't have a /etc/sysconfig/desktop file, so as I understand it the
/etc/X11/prefdm file will execute gdm first on its list.  I'm a little
shaky on this, though.

OK, changing to kdm *does* seem to permit KDE's Switch Users to work
correctly.  Thanks for the lead!

 -Don

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Re: 64bit JRE Mozilla plugin ?

2008-12-23 Thread Michael Cronenworth

 Original Message 
Subject: Re: 64bit JRE Mozilla plugin ?
From: Jim 
To: Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora. 


Date: 12/23/2008 02:26 PM


Yes FC8 , Thanks much.



I highly recommend you upgrade from Fedora 8. Updates will stop starting 
January 2009. Move to at least Fedora 9.


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Re: f10 no sound through usb headset

2008-12-23 Thread Nigel Henry
Just a thought since this post. See below.


On Tuesday 23 December 2008 18:37, Nigel Henry wrote:
> On Tuesday 23 December 2008 17:12, Don Raikes wrote:
> > Nigel,
> >
> > Ok so here it goes:
> >
> > The system is a gateway desktop pc about 6 years old.
> >
> > cat /proc/asound/cards (without the usb headset plugged in:
> >  0 [Intel  ]: HDA-Intel - HDA Intel
> >   HDA Intel at 0x8830 irq 16
> >
> > cat /proc/asound/cards (with usb headset plugged in:
> >
> >  0 [Intel  ]: HDA-Intel - HDA Intel
> >   HDA Intel at 0x8830 irq 16
> >  1 [default]: USB-Audio - C-Media USB Headphone Set
> >   C-Media USB Headphone Set   at
> > usb-:00:1d.2-2.1.7, full speed
>
> Hi Don.
>
> The above is fair enough. If you had more than one USB audio device plugged
> in, I'd expect to see a card listed, when running, cat /proc/asound/cards,
> when the headset is not plugged in.
>
> Try opening alsamixer as user, on Gnomes terminal, or KDE's Konsole, as
> below. alsamixer -D hw:1
>
> This should show any controls available for your Cmedia USB headset.
> Something may be muted (M key toggles mute/unmute), or perhaps there is a
> slider that needs to be pushed up.
>
> Pulseaudio, which has been the default soundserver since F8, can be a pain
> in the neck, and sometimes causes problems with various audio apps. You can
> disable it by simply removing the package, alsa-plugins-pulseaudio, then
> your audio apps will use alsa directly. You can also re-enable it later if
> you wish, by just re-installing the package.
>
> yum remove alsa-plugins-pulseaudio
>
> If you're using KDE, as I am, removing the above package, will also remove
> kde-settings-pulseaudio, so when re-installing alsa-plugins-pulseaudio, you
> will also have to re-install kde-settings-pulseaudio.
>
> All the best.
>
> Nigel.

Also try, if you still have pulseaudio enabled, the alsamixer command as 
below.

alsamixer -D hw:0

This will show all controls for your soundcard. I have no experience using USB 
headsets, but you may find that some slider needs to be pushed up to get 
sounds out of your headset. The F4 key will switch alsamixer to capture 
settings, and have found that for my TV card on one distro, I have to have 
some sliders pushed up to get sounds out from my TV card on the capture view 
of alsamixer. Just some thoughts, as I'm running out of suggestions.

Nigel.


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Re: 64bit JRE Mozilla plugin ?

2008-12-23 Thread Jim

Kevin Fenzi wrote:

On Tue, 23 Dec 2008 15:12:59 -0500
Jim  wrote:

  

Michael Cronenworth wrote:


Kevin Kempter wrote:
  

Hi all;

anyone know how to get a 64bit JRE/java plugin for firefox
working ?

Thanks in advance



# yum install java-1.6.0-openjdk-plugin
  

I ran yum install java-1.6.0-openjdk-plugin and got the below Error
message.

"No package java-1.6.0-openjdk-plugin available".



What version of Fedora do you have there. That package is available
only in Fedora 9 and Fedora 10. If you are using Fedora 8 you would
need to do: 


yum install java-1.7.0-icedtea-plugin

kevin
  

Yes FC8 , Thanks much.

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Re: Fedora 10 ctf-alt-F2

2008-12-23 Thread Jerry Feldman

On 12/23/2008 02:50 PM, Don Levey wrote:

Jeff Spaleta wrote:
  

On Tue, Dec 23, 2008 at 9:53 AM, Don Levey  wrote:


This means that I must always have at least one Gnome session active,
and I must use that as my control session.  It also seems that there's a
"mixed metaphor" in that the first X session is F1 but the rest start at
F7.
  

Its only a mixed metaphor in that you are relying on keyboard
shortcuts which encode specific virtual terminals to specific key
mappings. This metaphor breaks down quickly once you start doing
anything dynamic. Have 3 or 4 fast user switching users log in and
logout in varying orders and even if the the X sessions were mapped to
high ttys they would not be in a consistent ordering as users bounce
on and off the system.  Its quite analogous to how me moved from fixed
block device naming to udev dynamic block device creation.

Don't be shocked if we move into a future where the 5 or 6 mingetty's
we start by default now are also started dynamically in the future and
are given the next available tty instead of being on tty2-tt6 from
boot up.

-jef




That makes sense, I guess - this part of the question was relatively
minor anyway.  What I'd really like is to find a way to do all this
without the Gnome session requirement.

  

Don,
I don't recall fro the thread, but what Display Manager are you using. 
Does it make a difference if you are running kdm or gdm?


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Re: 64bit JRE Mozilla plugin ?

2008-12-23 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Tue, 23 Dec 2008 15:12:59 -0500
Jim  wrote:

> Michael Cronenworth wrote:
> > Kevin Kempter wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi all;
> >>
> >> anyone know how to get a 64bit JRE/java plugin for firefox
> >> working ?
> >>
> >> Thanks in advance
> >>
> >
> > # yum install java-1.6.0-openjdk-plugin
> 
> I ran yum install java-1.6.0-openjdk-plugin and got the below Error
> message.
> 
> "No package java-1.6.0-openjdk-plugin available".

What version of Fedora do you have there. That package is available
only in Fedora 9 and Fedora 10. If you are using Fedora 8 you would
need to do: 

yum install java-1.7.0-icedtea-plugin

kevin


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Re: 64bit JRE Mozilla plugin ?

2008-12-23 Thread Jim

Michael Cronenworth wrote:

Kevin Kempter wrote:


Hi all;

anyone know how to get a 64bit JRE/java plugin for firefox working ?

Thanks in advance



# yum install java-1.6.0-openjdk-plugin


I ran yum install java-1.6.0-openjdk-plugin and got the below Error message.

"No package java-1.6.0-openjdk-plugin available".

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Re: backup of my / filesystem

2008-12-23 Thread Mike Cloaked


Sorry the previous file was an old one - this is the correct script
http://www.nabble.com/file/p21150355/backall backall 
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Re: Fedora 10 ctf-alt-F2

2008-12-23 Thread Don Levey
Jeff Spaleta wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 23, 2008 at 9:53 AM, Don Levey  wrote:
>> This means that I must always have at least one Gnome session active,
>> and I must use that as my control session.  It also seems that there's a
>> "mixed metaphor" in that the first X session is F1 but the rest start at
>> F7.
> Its only a mixed metaphor in that you are relying on keyboard
> shortcuts which encode specific virtual terminals to specific key
> mappings. This metaphor breaks down quickly once you start doing
> anything dynamic. Have 3 or 4 fast user switching users log in and
> logout in varying orders and even if the the X sessions were mapped to
> high ttys they would not be in a consistent ordering as users bounce
> on and off the system.  Its quite analogous to how me moved from fixed
> block device naming to udev dynamic block device creation.
> 
> Don't be shocked if we move into a future where the 5 or 6 mingetty's
> we start by default now are also started dynamically in the future and
> are given the next available tty instead of being on tty2-tt6 from
> boot up.
> 
> -jef
> 

That makes sense, I guess - this part of the question was relatively
minor anyway.  What I'd really like is to find a way to do all this
without the Gnome session requirement.

 -Don

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Re: backup of my / filesystem

2008-12-23 Thread Mike Cloaked



Kevin Kempter-2 wrote:
> 
> I'm looking for a clean way to backup my laptop in part so before I apply
> any 
> updates I have a clean backup to revert to if needed.
> 
> I have a / and /home filesystems in order to backup before I run a set of 
> updates from yum I suspect I need to backup / separately this way I dont
> need 
> to restore my 22Gig of documents in /home if an update breaks something.
> 
> 

I have used a script for some years which is based on rsync. I will attach
the file and you can adapt it to your needs if you like it. Note that this
sends the backup to a usb drive that is attached to the machine. it is
relatively straightforward to adapt it to work across a LAN or also across
the internet to push or pull updates to/from remote machines.
http://www.nabble.com/file/p21150306/backall%257E backall%7E 
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Re: Fedora 10 ctf-alt-F2

2008-12-23 Thread Jeff Spaleta
On Tue, Dec 23, 2008 at 9:53 AM, Don Levey  wrote:
> This means that I must always have at least one Gnome session active,
> and I must use that as my control session.  It also seems that there's a
> "mixed metaphor" in that the first X session is F1 but the rest start at
> F7.
Its only a mixed metaphor in that you are relying on keyboard
shortcuts which encode specific virtual terminals to specific key
mappings. This metaphor breaks down quickly once you start doing
anything dynamic. Have 3 or 4 fast user switching users log in and
logout in varying orders and even if the the X sessions were mapped to
high ttys they would not be in a consistent ordering as users bounce
on and off the system.  Its quite analogous to how me moved from fixed
block device naming to udev dynamic block device creation.

Don't be shocked if we move into a future where the 5 or 6 mingetty's
we start by default now are also started dynamically in the future and
are given the next available tty instead of being on tty2-tt6 from
boot up.

-jef

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Re: system restore from a cron backup

2008-12-23 Thread Rick Stevens

Kevin Kempter wrote:

Hi All;

I've setup a cron backup script to backup my Fedora 10 laptop - mostly in case 
a new yum update breaks my system.



I'm currently excluding /proc but when the rsync script hits the /sys 
directory I get lots of read errors like this:


sys/module/vmmon/initstate   
rsync: read errors mapping "/sys/module/vmmon/initstate": No data available 
(61) 
sys/module/vmmon/refcnt  
rsync: read errors mapping "/sys/module/vmmon/refcnt": No data available (61)
sys/module/vmmon/srcversion  
rsync: read errors mapping "/sys/module/vmmon/srcversion": No data available 
(61)


Questions:

- should I exclude /sys from my rsync backup ?


Yes, you should exclude /sys, /proc (they're created on the fly by
the kernel...they're not real directories) and /dev.


- Is it safe to restore my system without restoring /proc and /sys ?


Yes, they're created by the kernel at boot time.


- If I do need to restore can I simply do an rsync like this:
  rsync -va /backup-location /system-location 
(i.e. rsync -va /stage/backup/etc  /etc)


Will rsync overwrite the files say in /etc with the backed up files even if the 
current /etc files are newer than the backed up files.


Those last two questions are related.  If you specify "-u" as well 
("rsync -vau /stage/backup/etc /etc"), newer files on the receiver (/etc

in your cited case) won't be overwritten.  If you're running SELinux,
have a looksee at the rsync_selinux man page, too.


Here's my backup script if it helps:
# cat run_rsync.sh
#!/bin/bash

for I in `cat dirlist`
do
echo "[$I]"
echo "=="
rsync -av /${I} /stage/backup
done


and here's the dirlist file:
# cat dirlist
bin
boot
dev
docs
download
etc
home
lib
lib64
lost+found
media
mnt
opt
root
sbin
selinux
srv
sys
tmp
usr
var



as always,  thanks in advance...


If you have the space in your backup directory and you want to back up 
the whole system, I'd just:


   rsync -avu --exclude-from=/etc/backup-exclude / /stage/backup

and put the directories you DON'T want backed up in /etc/backup-exclude:

/sys
/proc
/dev

That's just my opinion, I could be wrong.

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Re: Fedora 10 ctf-alt-F2

2008-12-23 Thread Mike Cloaked


It might be worth reading the thread at
http://mailman.lug.org.uk/pipermail/york/2008-December/002335.html

to get some additional background to the OP's problem with graphics
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Re: How to get screen resolution of 1440x900?

2008-12-23 Thread Peter Langfelder
On Tue, Dec 23, 2008 at 7:49 AM, Michael Iatrou  wrote:
> When the date was Tuesday 23 December 2008, Jochen Wiedmann wrote:
>
>> I have a Dell Latitude D620 laptop running Fedora 10 with an Intel
>> 945GM graphics controller. My display is configured as an "LCD Panel
>> 1440x900". I would like to have that resolution, but
>> system-config-display offers 1024x768 only.
>
> Try:
>
>$ xrandr --output LVDS --mode 1440x900
>

If the driver complains about unknown mode 1440x900, execute

gtf 1440 900 60

(the syntax is gtf horizontal vertical refresh_rate)
that will give you a modeline as output

for example for 1280 1024 85 (my external monitor) the modeline is
1280x1024_85.00 159.36  1280 1376 1512 1744  1024 1025 1028 1075  -HSync +Vsync

Note the first 1280x1024_85.00 is the name of the mode, the rest are
some parameters the video driver needs to handle the mode correctly.

Then execute the following:
xrandr --newmode 
xrandr --addmode LVDS 1440x900_60.00
xrandr --output LVDS --mode 1440x900_60.00

Replace numbers if necessary. This works for me. My system-config also
doesn't display the right modes for my monitors. I'm not sure about
automating it (someone else will surely chime in); I execute something
similar in a script manually after I log in to get my dual head
display to my liking.

Peter

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Re: Fedora 10 ctf-alt-F2

2008-12-23 Thread Don Levey
Jerry Feldman wrote:
> On 12/10/2008 01:34 PM, Don Levey wrote:
>> Jeff Spaleta wrote:
>>  
>>>
> 
>>> In gnome, you can "switch user" from logout dialog once you are logged
>>> in, or from the switch user applet (which is active in the default
>>> desktop. it the applet showing your name)
>>> The switch user applet also gives you a pull down list of users who
>>> are currently logged in I think as well as letting you log in a new
>>> user into a new desktop session.
>>>
>>> When you "switch user" who is not yet logged in, gdm starts a new
>>> greeter and lets the additional user login. You can think switch back
>>> and forth between logged in users using the say switching mechanism.
>>>
>>> If you do multiple startx instances I'm not sure the user switching
>>> sees the multiple instances that way, startx might not run coordiated
>>> gdm's. I haven't personally tested that.
>>>
>>> -jef
>>>
>>> 
>> I see - thanks.  I'm not running gnome, but KDE, so I don't think
>> that'll work.
>>
>>  -Don
>>
>>   
> I'm coming in a bit late on this, but the switch user feature has been
> around in KDE for quite a while. I used it when I used to run SuSE.
> 
After further experimentation, I've found that:

1) From within KDE, selecting "switch user" brings me the older
version's verbiage regarding Ctrl-Alt-F7.  However, The end effect is
that this locks my session and gives me a password prompt.  There is no
opportunity to select a different user.

2) From within Gnome, I can indeed switch users via the "Logout" option.
 This does start a new X greeter, and I can login to a second session
using KDE.  The new session is at Ctrl-Alt-F7 and the old at
Ctrl-Alt-F1.  A third can be started, on *-*-F8.

This means that I must always have at least one Gnome session active,
and I must use that as my control session.  It also seems that there's a
"mixed metaphor" in that the first X session is F1 but the rest start at
F7.  Is there, perhaps, a plan to at least fix the KDE switch user
functionality?

Thanks,
 -Don

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Re: How to get screen resolution of 1440x900?

2008-12-23 Thread Dave Feustel
On Tue, Dec 23, 2008 at 04:32:48PM +0100, Jochen Wiedmann wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I have a Dell Latitude D620 laptop running Fedora 10 with an Intel
> 945GM graphics controller. My display is configured as an "LCD Panel
> 1440x900". I would like to have that resolution, but
> system-config-display offers 1024x768 only.
> 
> Using previous Fedora versions and 915resolution I had that mode in
> the past. I also have this mode under Windows.
> 
> Any hints what I might research or reconfigure?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Jochen

I've been running F9 at 1440x900 for several months. I didn't have to do
anything to get that resolution. Suse 11.0, on the other hand, supports
1440x1050 which my monitor doesn't support, so I run Suse at 1280x1024.
OpenBSD doesn't support 1440x900 either.
It appears to be a software driver issue. 

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system restore from a cron backup

2008-12-23 Thread Kevin Kempter
Hi All;

I've setup a cron backup script to backup my Fedora 10 laptop - mostly in case 
a new yum update breaks my system.


I'm currently excluding /proc but when the rsync script hits the /sys 
directory I get lots of read errors like this:

sys/module/vmmon/initstate  
 
rsync: read errors mapping "/sys/module/vmmon/initstate": No data available 
(61) 
sys/module/vmmon/refcnt 
 
rsync: read errors mapping "/sys/module/vmmon/refcnt": No data available (61)   
 
sys/module/vmmon/srcversion 
 
rsync: read errors mapping "/sys/module/vmmon/srcversion": No data available 
(61)

Questions:

- should I exclude /sys from my rsync backup ?
- Is it safe to restore my system without restoring /proc and /sys ?
- If I do need to restore can I simply do an rsync like this:
  rsync -va /backup-location /system-location 
(i.e. rsync -va /stage/backup/etc  /etc)

Will rsync overwrite the files say in /etc with the backed up files even if the 
current /etc files are newer than the backed up files.



Here's my backup script if it helps:
# cat run_rsync.sh
#!/bin/bash

for I in `cat dirlist`
do
echo "[$I]"
echo "=="
rsync -av /${I} /stage/backup
done


and here's the dirlist file:
# cat dirlist
bin
boot
dev
docs
download
etc
home
lib
lib64
lost+found
media
mnt
opt
root
sbin
selinux
srv
sys
tmp
usr
var



as always,  thanks in advance...



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Re: Sound problems with SELinux ? [SOLVED]

2008-12-23 Thread Rick Stevens

William Case wrote:

On Mon, 2008-12-22 at 15:33 -0500, William Case wrote:

Hi Daniel;

On Mon, 2008-12-22 at 14:36 -0500, Daniel J Walsh wrote:

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William Case wrote:

Hi;

This probably more of a frustration question than an eventually solving
it myself question.

I couldn't get any sound -- I originally thought it was an Adobe Flash
problem -- until I changed SELinux from enforcing to permissive.  How do
I make sound available to the user while still using SELinux enforcing?

Check the /var/log/audit/audit.log file for AVC messages.

I couldn't see anything pertinent; but that doesn't mean much.  I have
never used the audit.log before.  I could be looking at something and
not seeing it.


Is this F10?

Yes.  See under my signature.  I keep my program versions there for the
main mailing lists I belong to.


Somehow my 'Front' channel?? in Alsa mixer gui got turned off.  By trial
and error I learnt that if I fully turned on the volume for 'Front' I
got my sound back.  Why SELinux enforcing also affected it is still
leaves me at a loss.


SELinux may have played a part.  There may have been an AVC denial from
SELinux when it tried to access the alsa config file to save the
configuration.  Did you check /var/log/audit/audit.log to see if there
were any denials regarding audio?
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Re: PackageKit has eaten my system (again!)

2008-12-23 Thread Jeff Spaleta
On Tue, Dec 23, 2008 at 9:14 AM, Kevin Fenzi  wrote:
> Well, yum solves this problem, but sadly you are trying to install
> it. ;(
>
> You can look in the package directories (the same ones the other
> packges are in) and pull down the likely packages and add them to your
> rpm command line.
>
> If you have another machine with yum-utils you can use 'yumdownloader
> --url packagename' to get a url to use to download to the affected
> machine.

Do we provide a network enabled rescue environment with yum available
off of install media or some such that would make this easier?

-jef

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Got networking, now missing hardware 3D graphics

2008-12-23 Thread tom


Aside: I can not remember a Red Hat or a Fedora release that has given me
these kinds of fits. I'm sure they have but...  Must have been a while.

To quickly recap the situation. I started by installing F10 from DVD, and 
the networking aspect declined to function. Two reinstalls later, and much 
fussing and fiddling, networking came up on its own with Network Manager 
on the first boot post install. What changed is a wonderful question that 
I have no clue about. On to the next steps (obviously)


This is an old machine, and has an nVidia GeForce FX5500 video card in
an AGP slot. I recognize the proprietary nature of nVidia's drivers, so
it was off to RPMfusion to get the 173.X drivers/stuff. After much mucking 
about, I finally got the nvidia driver installed such that I could get 
something other than 640x280 (yuck!), but there is no acceleration for 
OpenGL like there is supposed to be. The error message from one 
application includes the phrase: "Could not create GL context".


Besides my mind, what am I missing here? Or what do I need to post to find 
out what I'm missing? Or


HALP!

Thanks in advance for the assistance

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Re: How to get screen resolution of 1440x900?

2008-12-23 Thread Kevin Kofler
Petrus de Calguarium wrote:
> I am in the same boat. I could be mistaken, but I thought this was part of
> kernel mode setting. If I understand correctly, to enable modelines not
> supported by the bios (hence, formerly, 915resolution), the kernel
> modesetting must work, and that is not sheduled to be until kernel-2.6.29
> for Intel graphics.
> 
> Someone please correct me, as I am also getting tired of waiting and
> waiting and...

No, the X11 modesetting should also work. The old driver which used the BIOS
for modesetting isn't used anymore, all current modesetting
implementations, both the X11 one and the kernel one, do the work on their
own. I don't know why it isn't offering you the correct resolution. You can
hardcode it in xorg.conf.

Kevin Kofler

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Re: F10 - something positive to say!

2008-12-23 Thread Alastair Neil
On Tue, Dec 23, 2008 at 10:11 AM, Mike Cloaked  wrote:
>
> Traditionally the forums are filled with grumbles about things that don't
> work, and questions about how to work around some of those things that don't
> work as they should.
>
> However occasionally it is nice if someone says something positive about
> Fedora and sends a thank you to the people who devote so much time to making
> the new things happen at all and who then spend considerable time and effort
> in fixing the inevitable problems that will always occur when you create new
> stuff.
>
> Since F10 was released I have installed it on 4 systems with different
> hardware. One acts as a dns and dhcp server, and the others are a desktop
> and two laptops. All are running dovecot imap servers in a slightly
> non-standard way. Although I did have some frustrating times working around
> some issues mainly associated with SElinux due to some non-standard ways of
> doing things, I now have 4 systems running the way I want them to within my
> LAN, with no SElinux denials, and performing efficiently and seemingly
> faster than the F8 systems they replaced. These are now being used by family
> members who have had smiles on their faces when using the new systems.
>
> There are some new things yet to enthrall us like KDE4.2 before too long,
> and Thunderbird 3 on the way and I would like to thank all the developers
> and the testers who have brought Fedora to its current level. Fedora is
> ahead of the opposition and cutting edge - and mostly it now works and works
> well.
>
> I hope there are many silent Fedora users out there who would back me up on
> this!
>
> Have a great Christmas and I hope that the New Year brings us even better
> Fedora experiences.
> --

I have to agree that this is one of the most solid Fedora releases in
a long time.  Certainly since selinux was intergrated it's the first
one in which I have not had to disable it (so far) for one reason or
another.

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Re: How to Restart the service sshd in Fedora Linux System ?

2008-12-23 Thread Rick Stevens

Jyotishmaan Ray wrote:

Please tell me whose permissions should be 700, please name the files whose 
permissions I must set to 700, and also let me know if anuthing lese has to be 
done in order to execute the ssh command.


My set up is as follows:

The /etc/ssh directory is owned by root, group of root and have 755
permissions (rwxrw-rw-).  The files IN /etc/ssh are all be owned by
root, group of root with 500 permissions (rw---) EXCEPT ssh_config
and any "*.pub" files.  Those have 544 permissions (rw-r--r--).

In _your_ home directory, the .ssh directory is owned by you with your
group and have 700 permissions (rwx--).  The files in it should
be owned by you with your group and have 500 permissions (rw---)
except any "*.pub" files, which can have 544 permissions (rw-r--r--).

Really, since the directory can only be read by you, all files could be
544 (rw-r--r--).  ssh really is worried about someone other than you
writing to those files.


--- On Mon, 12/22/08, Aaron Konstam  wrote:
From: Aaron Konstam 
Subject: Re: How to Restart the service sshd in Fedora Linux System ?
To: jyotishm...@yahoo.com, "Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using 
Fedora." 
Date: Monday, December 22, 2008, 9:26 PM

On Mon, 2008-12-22 at 05:06 -0800, Jyotishmaan Ray wrote:

Dear All FEDORA Users,

I am a new bir in fedora linux system as administrator.

Please tell me one thing. 


In my fedora linux os server, i am not able to sshd service .

The thing is that, once I had to change the permissions of the files
just in order to avoid the other users to explore the system, using
chmod command. However, I have immediately changed the permissons
again back.


Soon after that I could not log on to the fedora server systm using
the ssh  serverhostname username command.

When tried to run sshd service using service sshd restart, I got the
folloeing errors shown below:-


Permissions 0755 for '/etc/ssh/ssh_host_dsa_key' are too open.
It is recommended that your private key files are NOT accessible by
others.
This private key will be ignored.
bad permissions :ignore key: /etc/ssh/ssh_host_dsa_key
Could not load host key : /etc/ssh/ssh_host_dsa_key
Disabling protocol version 2. Could not load host key
sshd: no  hostkeys available --exiting



Please immedialtely let me know, what to fix in order to restart the
service sshd.


Permissions should be 700.




  




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Re[2]: Unable to login after latest FC10 updates (i386 on Dell GX270)

2008-12-23 Thread Al Dunsmuir
Hello Janez,
Sunday, December 21, 2008, 1:00:27 PM, you wrote:
>> I have the same problem on an Dell Latitude D600 with an ati chipset.
>> There is no text or icons. i can click on the screen an things happen 
>> but there is no icons buttons or text just grey and white windows.
> One more thing i forgot to mention. I did an yum uprate yesterday and 
> with other things i also updated x server

My Latitude D810 was not affected by the original bug, but your report
means that I'll be applying no further undates until the GX270 is working
again.

I opened the following bug for the GX270 X-related bug(s).
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=476578

There are 2 iterations of Xorg.0.log files attached.  The first is
from the original problem.  That had some d-bus problems that were
solved by the latest PolicyKit update, but the underlying X-related
problems remained.

Hopefully Ajax can analyze/fix this one sometime soon.
Al


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Re: PackageKit has eaten my system (again!)

2008-12-23 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Tue, 23 Dec 2008 18:11:39 +0100
DB  wrote:

...snip...
> 
> Thanks again Kevin It seems that each time you give me another
> lead, rpm wants another 2 or 3 files..  It'd be alright if I
> could find a readable list of what is required to install an rpm!

Well, yum solves this problem, but sadly you are trying to install
it. ;( 

You can look in the package directories (the same ones the other
packges are in) and pull down the likely packages and add them to your
rpm command line. 

If you have another machine with yum-utils you can use 'yumdownloader
--url packagename' to get a url to use to download to the affected
machine. 

>
> Dave
> 

kevin


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Re: How to get screen resolution of 1440x900?

2008-12-23 Thread Petrus de Calguarium
Jochen Wiedmann wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I have a Dell Latitude D620 laptop running Fedora 10 with an Intel
> 945GM graphics controller. My display is configured as an "LCD Panel
> 1440x900". I would like to have that resolution, but
> system-config-display offers 1024x768 only.
> 
I am in the same boat. I could be mistaken, but I thought this was part of 
kernel mode setting. If I understand correctly, to enable modelines not 
supported by the bios (hence, formerly, 915resolution), the kernel modesetting 
must work, and that is not sheduled to be until kernel-2.6.29 for Intel 
graphics.

Someone please correct me, as I am also getting tired of waiting and waiting 
and...

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Re: f10 no sound through usb headset

2008-12-23 Thread Nigel Henry
On Tuesday 23 December 2008 17:12, Don Raikes wrote:
> Nigel,
>
> Ok so here it goes:
>
> The system is a gateway desktop pc about 6 years old.
>
> cat /proc/asound/cards (without the usb headset plugged in:
>  0 [Intel  ]: HDA-Intel - HDA Intel
>   HDA Intel at 0x8830 irq 16

> cat /proc/asound/cards (with usb headset plugged in:
>
>  0 [Intel  ]: HDA-Intel - HDA Intel
>   HDA Intel at 0x8830 irq 16
>  1 [default]: USB-Audio - C-Media USB Headphone Set
>   C-Media USB Headphone Set   at
> usb-:00:1d.2-2.1.7, full speed

Hi Don.

The above is fair enough. If you had more than one USB audio device plugged 
in, I'd expect to see a card listed, when running, cat /proc/asound/cards, 
when the headset is not plugged in.

Try opening alsamixer as user, on Gnomes terminal, or KDE's Konsole, as below.
alsamixer -D hw:1

This should show any controls available for your Cmedia USB headset. Something 
may be muted (M key toggles mute/unmute), or perhaps there is a slider that 
needs to be pushed up.

Pulseaudio, which has been the default soundserver since F8, can be a pain in 
the neck, and sometimes causes problems with various audio apps. You can 
disable it by simply removing the package, alsa-plugins-pulseaudio, then your 
audio apps will use alsa directly. You can also re-enable it later if you 
wish, by just re-installing the package.

yum remove alsa-plugins-pulseaudio

If you're using KDE, as I am, removing the above package, will also remove 
kde-settings-pulseaudio, so when re-installing alsa-plugins-pulseaudio, you 
will also have to re-install kde-settings-pulseaudio.

All the best.

Nigel.

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Re: Cheese

2008-12-23 Thread Jeff Spaleta
On Tue, Dec 23, 2008 at 3:24 AM, Christoph Unger
> Sorry, it's the application menu I mean.

I can't reproduce the problem on my F10 system. So I'm at a loss.  The
menu entries get added and removed as I would expect.

Do you see it with any other package?

For example if you install gpodder  you should get a menu entry in Sound/Video
and if you uninstall gpodder that menu entry should be removed as well.

-jef

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Re: GPU chips vs Video Cards

2008-12-23 Thread Kam Leo
On Tue, Dec 23, 2008 at 2:54 AM, Dave Feustel  wrote:
> Will the use of GPU chips eliminate the need for video cards
> and/or eliminate the security vulnerabilities that the video
> cards introduce into operating systems?
>
> Thanks.

No. Similar to what is already on the market. You have integrated
video on many motherboards but still have a market for high
performance (gamers, etc.) video.

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Re: F10 - something positive to say!

2008-12-23 Thread Kevin Kempter
On Tuesday 23 December 2008 08:11:27 Mike Cloaked wrote:
> Traditionally the forums are filled with grumbles about things that don't
> work, and questions about how to work around some of those things that
> don't work as they should.
>
> However occasionally it is nice if someone says something positive about
> Fedora and sends a thank you to the people who devote so much time to
> making the new things happen at all and who then spend considerable time
> and effort in fixing the inevitable problems that will always occur when
> you create new stuff.
>
> Since F10 was released I have installed it on 4 systems with different
> hardware. One acts as a dns and dhcp server, and the others are a desktop
> and two laptops. All are running dovecot imap servers in a slightly
> non-standard way. Although I did have some frustrating times working around
> some issues mainly associated with SElinux due to some non-standard ways of
> doing things, I now have 4 systems running the way I want them to within my
> LAN, with no SElinux denials, and performing efficiently and seemingly
> faster than the F8 systems they replaced. These are now being used by
> family members who have had smiles on their faces when using the new
> systems.
>
> There are some new things yet to enthrall us like KDE4.2 before too long,
> and Thunderbird 3 on the way and I would like to thank all the developers
> and the testers who have brought Fedora to its current level. Fedora is
> ahead of the opposition and cutting edge - and mostly it now works and
> works well.
>
> I hope there are many silent Fedora users out there who would back me up on
> this!
>
> Have a great Christmas and I hope that the New Year brings us even better
> Fedora experiences.
> --
> View this message in context:
> http://www.nabble.com/F10---something-positive-to-say%21-tp21146037p2114603
>7.html Sent from the Fedora List mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

I'll second that, Fedora 10 rocks ! 



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Re: PackageKit has eaten my system (again!)

2008-12-23 Thread DB

Kevin Fenzi wrote:

On Mon, 22 Dec 2008 13:53:04 +0100
DB  wrote:

  
Message: 9 Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 17:03:48 -0700 From: Kevin Fenzi 
 Subject: Re: PackageKit has eaten my system
(again!) To: fedora-list@redhat.com Message-ID: 
<20081221170348.42475...@ohm.scrye.com> Content-Type: text/plain; 
charset="us-ascii" On Sun, 21 Dec 2008 22:13:46 + Anne Wilson 
 wrote:
  

On Sunday 21 December 2008 22:00:16 DB wrote:
  



[d...@localhost ~]$ rpm -qi pygpgme
package pygpgme is not installed
[d...@localhost ~]$ rpm -qi python-iniparse
package python-iniparse is not installed
[d...@localhost ~]$

Is there a way to tell rpm to go off and search a specific
repo?  
  
  
  
no. Rpm only acts on specific packages. 

  
  

If they are not installed 'yum install packagename' should pull
them in - and you can list both packages in one command.
  


Except that he is trying to install yum.  ;)  

  
  

I
tried rpm --whatprovides yum but that evidently is not
acceptable!  
  
  


It's not apparent from the help file, but I think the command is
'rpm -q whatprovides ' but I don't think that would have
helped in this situation. I'd try

yum install pygpgme python-iniparse yum
  


No yum installed there for him.  ;)  

Dave: Try the following: 


rpm -ivh
http://mirrors.tummy.com/pub/fedora.redhat.com/fedora/linux/updates/9/i386.newkey//yum-3.2.20-5.fc9.noarch.rpm
http://mirrors.tummy.com/pub/fedora.redhat.com/fedora/linux/releases/9/Everything/i386/os//Packages/pygpgme-0.1-8.fc9.i386.rpm 
http://mirrors.tummy.com/pub/fedora.redhat.com/fedora/linux/releases/9/Everything/i386/os//Packages/python-iniparse-0.2.3-3.fc9.noarch.rpm


All on one big long line.  ;)  
Not sure if there are further deps, but hopefully that will get yum
installed for you. 


kevin
  

Thanks Kevin..

In the order you listed the rpms, the yum failed needing pygpgme
So I tried installing them t'other way around:

[r...@localhost ~]# rpm -ivh 
http://mirrors.tummy.com/pub/fedora.redhat.com/fedora/linux/releases/9/Everything/i386/os//Packages/pygpgme-0.1-8.fc9.i386.rpm 
http://mirrors.tummy.com/pub/fedora.redhat.com/fedora/linux/releases/9/Everything/i386/os//Packages/python-iniparse-0.2.3-3.fc9.noarch.rpm 
http://mirrors.tummy.com/pub/fedora.redhat.com/fedora/linux/updates/9/i386.newkey//yum-3.2.20-5.fc9.noarch.rpm
Retrieving 
http://mirrors.tummy.com/pub/fedora.redhat.com/fedora/linux/releases/9/Everything/i386/os//Packages/pygpgme-0.1-8.fc9.i386.rpm
Retrieving 
http://mirrors.tummy.com/pub/fedora.redhat.com/fedora/linux/releases/9/Everything/i386/os//Packages/python-iniparse-0.2.3-3.fc9.noarch.rpm
Retrieving 
http://mirrors.tummy.com/pub/fedora.redhat.com/fedora/linux/updates/9/i386.newkey//yum-3.2.20-5.fc9.noarch.rpm

error: Failed dependencies:
libgpgme.so.11 is needed by pygpgme-0.1-8.fc9.i386
libgpgme.so.11(GPGME_1.0) is needed by pygpgme-0.1-8.fc9.i386
[r...@localhost ~]#

Any idea where the so.11 files might be??  (or how with my limited 
knowledge of the remnants of my system, I should go about finding the 
deps??))



You also need: 


http://mirrors.tummy.com/pub/fedora.redhat.com/fedora/linux/releases/9/Everything/i386/os//Packages/gpgme-1.1.6-3.fc9.i386.rpm

it sounds like. 

  

Thanks again

Dave



kevin
  


Thanks again Kevin It seems that each time you give me another lead, 
rpm wants another 2 or 3 files..  It'd be alright if I could find a 
readable list of what is required to install an rpm!


Dave

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Re: gutenprint

2008-12-23 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Tue, Dec 23, 2008 at 10:24:22 -0600,
  Michael Cronenworth  wrote:
>  Original Message 
> Subject: gutenprint
> From: Mike Cloaked 
> To: fedora-list@redhat.com
> Date: 12/23/2008 10:12 AM
>
>> Does anyone know if the new gutenprint 5.2.1 package is going to be made
>> available to Fedora soon?
>
>
> Yes, it is available in updates-testing[1]. Please install it and leave  
> karma[2] about it.

I seem to have 5.2.2. I happened to have some interest in this since I just
noticed that the foomatic driver for my printer (Epson PS 870) seems to have
broken since the last time I tried to print something and switching to
a gutenprint driver fixed things for me.

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Re: Whatever happened to kprint?

2008-12-23 Thread Rex Dieter
Steven W. Orr wrote:

> Under kde3 I used to use kprint and now it seems to have disappeared.

Not in kde4, but kprinter is still provided by kde3-related runtime pkg:
kdebase3

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Re: Whatever happened to kprint?

2008-12-23 Thread Rex Dieter
Steven W. Orr wrote:

> Under kde3 I used to use kprint and now it seems to have disappeared.

Yes, an unfortunate casualty of up'ing to kde4.  kprint hasn't been
updated/ported yet.

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Re: FC10 does not boot when HDD moved to another machine

2008-12-23 Thread Mikkel L. Ellertson
Frank Millman wrote:
> 
> BRILLIANT!
> 
> Thank you, Mikkel. I followed your instructions, and it worked exactly as
> you predicted.
> 
No brilliant - I should have caught it the first time you posted the
old and new fstab!

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Re: move to fedora 8 from fedora 9

2008-12-23 Thread Mikkel L. Ellertson
Adil Drissi wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Do you know a way to migrate to fedora 9 from fedora 8. I tried this:
> # yum install preupgrade
> # preupgrade
> 
> but this gave me fedora 10 by default in the in,stallation gui.
> So please if you know how to upgrade from fedora 8 to 9 please let me know.
> 
> Thank you
> 
I have not tried this, so try it AT YOUR OWN RISK!

In /usr/share/preupgrade/releases.list, try adding

preupgrade-ok=True

to the [Fedora 9 (Sulphur)] section.

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Re: gutenprint

2008-12-23 Thread Michael Cronenworth

 Original Message 
Subject: gutenprint
From: Mike Cloaked 
To: fedora-list@redhat.com
Date: 12/23/2008 10:12 AM


Does anyone know if the new gutenprint 5.2.1 package is going to be made
available to Fedora soon?



Yes, it is available in updates-testing[1]. Please install it and leave 
karma[2] about it.


[1] # yum --enablerepo=updates-testing update gutenprint
[2] https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/F10/FEDORA-2008-10872

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Whatever happened to kprint?

2008-12-23 Thread Steven W. Orr
Under kde3 I used to use kprint and now it seems to have disappeared. Is 
there a replacement? Basically, how do I print a doc with all of the fine 
controls on a per doc basis without it? Do I have to use the command line 
options in the lp command?


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Re: F10 - something positive to say!

2008-12-23 Thread 于根

Hi,

I don't see it like this - on this forum I have the impression that  
people ask how things work and express their frustrations - if there  
are - in a rather clear fashion. the purpose of the list is to find  
answers to questions - the shoulder taps like yours and this one are  
expressed by detailed error descriptions with the result that the  
software gets better. What else does a developer want?


I'm so totally new to Linux that I'm a "silent reader" on the list.  
If I'm stuck I go to the forum proper and get valuable answers either  
from other answers or from more experienced subscribers.


As a total newbie to Fedora and Linux (but a com user for over 20  
years) I can only say that I was amazed when I started up Fedora 10  
for the first time on my brandnew laptop. A lot of things worked out  
of the box and so much faster than under win xp (subjective  
evaluation). So I will stick around and use Fedora permanently. I'm  
just waiting for the adaptation of some professional software to  
Fedora 10 (the Planet CCRMA package) and then there will be no  
turning back.


Best
Jurgen


On Dec 23, 2008, at 11:55 PM, fedora-list-requ...@redhat.com wrote:

Traditionally the forums are filled with grumbles about things  
that don't
work, and questions about how to work around some of those things  
that don't

work as they should.

However occasionally it is nice if someone says something positive  
about
Fedora and sends a thank you to the people who devote so much time  
to making
the new things happen at all and who then spend considerable time  
and effort
in fixing the inevitable problems that will always occur when you  
create new

stuff.


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gutenprint

2008-12-23 Thread Mike Cloaked

Does anyone know if the new gutenprint 5.2.1 package is going to be made
available to Fedora soon?
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RE: f10 no sound through usb headset

2008-12-23 Thread Don Raikes
Nigel,

Ok so here it goes:

The system is a gateway desktop pc about 6 years old.

cat /proc/asound/cards (without the usb headset plugged in:
 0 [Intel  ]: HDA-Intel - HDA Intel
  HDA Intel at 0x8830 irq 16

lsmod | grep snd (with usb headset not plugged in:


snd_usb_audio  77696  0 
snd_hda_intel 351124  2 
snd_seq_dummy   6660  0 
snd_seq_oss30364  0 
snd_seq_midi_event  9600  1 snd_seq_oss
snd_seq48576  5 snd_seq_dummy,snd_seq_oss,snd_seq_midi_event
snd_pcm_oss42496  0 
snd_mixer_oss  16896  1 snd_pcm_oss
snd_pcm65924  3 snd_usb_audio,snd_hda_intel,snd_pcm_oss
snd_usb_lib17536  1 snd_usb_audio
snd_rawmidi22528  1 snd_usb_lib
snd_seq_device 10124  4 snd_seq_dummy,snd_seq_oss,snd_seq,snd_rawmidi
snd_timer  22024  2 snd_seq,snd_pcm
snd_page_alloc 11016  2 snd_hda_intel,snd_pcm
snd_hwdep  10500  2 snd_usb_audio,snd_hda_intel
snd50616  17 
snd_usb_audio,snd_hda_intel,snd_seq_dummy,snd_seq_oss,snd_seq,snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_pcm,snd_usb_lib,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq_device,snd_timer,snd_hwdep
soundcore   9416  1 snd

cat /proc/asound/cards (with usb headset plugged in:

 0 [Intel  ]: HDA-Intel - HDA Intel
  HDA Intel at 0x8830 irq 16
 1 [default]: USB-Audio - C-Media USB Headphone Set  
  C-Media USB Headphone Set   at usb-:00:1d.2-2.1.7, 
full speed

lsmod | grep snd (with usb headset plugged in:

snd_usb_audio  77696  0 
snd_hda_intel 351124  2 
snd_seq_dummy   6660  0 
snd_seq_oss30364  0 
snd_seq_midi_event  9600  1 snd_seq_oss
snd_seq48576  5 snd_seq_dummy,snd_seq_oss,snd_seq_midi_event
snd_pcm_oss42496  0 
snd_mixer_oss  16896  1 snd_pcm_oss
snd_pcm65924  3 snd_usb_audio,snd_hda_intel,snd_pcm_oss
snd_usb_lib17536  1 snd_usb_audio
snd_rawmidi22528  1 snd_usb_lib
snd_seq_device 10124  4 snd_seq_dummy,snd_seq_oss,snd_seq,snd_rawmidi
snd_timer  22024  2 snd_seq,snd_pcm
snd_page_alloc 11016  2 snd_hda_intel,snd_pcm
snd_hwdep  10500  2 snd_usb_audio,snd_hda_intel
snd50616  17 
snd_usb_audio,snd_hda_intel,snd_seq_dummy,snd_seq_oss,snd_seq,snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_pcm,snd_usb_lib,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq_device,snd_timer,snd_hwdep
soundcore   9416  1 snd

And yes without the headset plugged and just the small external speakers 
plugged in, sound in gnome works fine. I can hear orca without a problem.
-Original Message-
From: Nigel Henry [mailto:cave.dnb2m9...@aliceadsl.fr]
Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 12:23 PM
To: fedora-list@redhat.com
Subject: Re: f10 no sound through usb headset


On Friday 19 December 2008 19:11, Don Raikes wrote:
> I have f10 installed and running fine on my gateway system, but I wanted to
> use my plantronics headset with it. I plugged in the headset and can see
> from the log that it is recognized, but I get no sound through the headset.
>
> Any thoughts appreciated.

Hi Don.

I'm not too up to speed on USB audio apps, apart from my USB midi keyboard, 
but I'll have a go to start things off.

Is this on a laptop, or a PC? Which make, and model?

I assume that the sounds are working on F10, apart from the headset problem.

With the headset unplugged, post back the output from the commands below.

cat /proc/asound/cards
/sbin/lsmod | grep snd

If you have a laptop, with built in webcam, and mike, you will probably see 
lsmod showing the snd-usb-audio module loaded, and the output from, 
cat /proc/asound/cards will also show a card entry (perhaps card1, or card2) 
for a USB device (a webcam's mike perhaps).

Anyway. Post back the output from running the commands above, and we'll take 
it from there.

All the best.

Nigel.




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Re: How to get screen resolution of 1440x900?

2008-12-23 Thread John Brier

Jochen Wiedmann wrote:

Hi,

I have a Dell Latitude D620 laptop running Fedora 10 with an Intel
945GM graphics controller. My display is configured as an "LCD Panel
1440x900". I would like to have that resolution, but
system-config-display offers 1024x768 only.

Using previous Fedora versions and 915resolution I had that mode in
the past. I also have this mode under Windows.

Any hints what I might research or reconfigure?

Thanks,

Jochen


on my laptop with Intel 965 chipset I can set the proper 1280x800 
resolution of the display. I didn't have system-config-display 
installed.. but gnome-display-properties was installed.. Perhaps you 
can try that.


In system-config-display did you try setting the monitor to Generic 
LCD 1440x900 or some other thing?


Also look at /var/log/Xorg.0.log You can see if it is using the proper 
  'intel' driver and what the available modes are


in my log file I can see that my hardware combination supports the 
following:



(II) intel(0): Modeline "1280x800"x59.9   71.00  1280 1328 1360 1440 
800 803 809 823 -hsync -vsync (49.3 kHz)
II) intel(0): Modeline "1024x768"x60.0   65.00  1024 1048 1184 1344 
768 771 777 806 -hsync -vsync (48.4 kHz)
(II) intel(0): Modeline "800x600"x60.3   40.00  800 840 968 1056  600 
601 605 628 +hsync +vsync (37.9 kHz)
(II) intel(0): Modeline "640x480"x59.9   25.18  640 656 752 800  480 
490 492 525 -hsync -vsync (31.5 kHz)


those are some places to start looking.

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Advice to an audiophobe ??

2008-12-23 Thread William Case
Hi;

I have avoided sound technology most of my life.  I have a 'tin ear' and
most music just sounds to me like somebody talking in an annoying voice.
However, recent problems with alsa mixer and/or pulseaudio has convinced
me that the time has come to spend some time learning the rudiments of
sound technology.  So ...

Can someone recommend a site or manual that explains things like: 
  * What is the difference between alsa and pulseaudio?
  * Which should I choose for the Device: field?
  * What is the difference between Master, PCM, Front, Line-in, CD,
PC-Speaker etc. ?
  * How is sound related to video ?
  * Why are there so many files associated with producing sound?
  * Etc., etc., etc.? ?

I have googled, searched Wikipedia, read the PulseAudio documentation as
well as Gnome Help.  It all still leaves me befuddled -- either too
simple or two technical.  Once I try to throw in the concept of various
'codecs' I am lost.

I am not asking for a personal explanation of the above questions (I
have a bunch more) but all learning suggestions gratefully received.


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Re: How to get screen resolution of 1440x900?

2008-12-23 Thread Michael Iatrou
When the date was Tuesday 23 December 2008, Jochen Wiedmann wrote:

> I have a Dell Latitude D620 laptop running Fedora 10 with an Intel
> 945GM graphics controller. My display is configured as an "LCD Panel
> 1440x900". I would like to have that resolution, but
> system-config-display offers 1024x768 only.

Try:

$ xrandr --output LVDS --mode 1440x900

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Re: F10 - something positive to say!

2008-12-23 Thread Daniel B. Thurman

Mike Cloaked wrote:

Traditionally the forums are filled with grumbles about things that don't
work, and questions about how to work around some of those things that don't
work as they should.

However occasionally it is nice if someone says something positive about
Fedora and sends a thank you to the people who devote so much time to making
the new things happen at all and who then spend considerable time and effort
in fixing the inevitable problems that will always occur when you create new
stuff.

Since F10 was released I have installed it on 4 systems with different
hardware. One acts as a dns and dhcp server, and the others are a desktop
and two laptops. All are running dovecot imap servers in a slightly
non-standard way. Although I did have some frustrating times working around
some issues mainly associated with SElinux due to some non-standard ways of
doing things, I now have 4 systems running the way I want them to within my
LAN, with no SElinux denials, and performing efficiently and seemingly
faster than the F8 systems they replaced. These are now being used by family
members who have had smiles on their faces when using the new systems.

There are some new things yet to enthrall us like KDE4.2 before too long,
and Thunderbird 3 on the way and I would like to thank all the developers
and the testers who have brought Fedora to its current level. Fedora is
ahead of the opposition and cutting edge - and mostly it now works and works
well.

I hope there are many silent Fedora users out there who would back me up on
this!

Have a great Christmas and I hope that the New Year brings us even better
Fedora experiences.
  

Yes, I agree, that thanks should be given to hard working
developers around the world wo do a lot of great things for
the most part.  Many have day jobs and are volunteering their
work, with no pay, and for pure pleasure, which could be an
oxymoron, in some cases.

So many thanks are in order, for those who do quality work.

The grumbling, gripes, etc. should be there - after all - who's
gonna keep the pressure on them?  Ha.  I gotta laugh. Me thinks
we need the good, the bad, and the ugly... as I believe that is
nature's way and a balanced mix.

Without pressure, would progress be stagnant, slower or Faster?

Sometimes if one complains - the complainer would be so disgusted
and end up fix the da*n thing themselves and hopefully offer a fix to
the community - and in that case, it is a good thing?

Hmm... well, it's something to think about.

But nonetheless, have a good holiday!

Dan

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Re: move to fedora 8 from fedora 9

2008-12-23 Thread John Brier

Adil Drissi wrote:

Hi,

Do you know a way to migrate to fedora 9 from fedora 8. I tried this:
# yum install preupgrade
# preupgrade

but this gave me fedora 10 by default in the in,stallation gui. So please if 
you know how to upgrade from fedora 8 to 9 please let me know.

Thank you


  

one way would be to download the installation media for F9 CD or DVD 
and at the boot: prompt type 'linux upgrade'


John Brier

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Re: Sound problems with SELinux ? [SOLVED]

2008-12-23 Thread William Case
On Mon, 2008-12-22 at 15:33 -0500, William Case wrote:
> Hi Daniel;
> 
> On Mon, 2008-12-22 at 14:36 -0500, Daniel J Walsh wrote:
> > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> > Hash: SHA1
> > 
> > William Case wrote:
> > > Hi;
> > > 
> > > This probably more of a frustration question than an eventually solving
> > > it myself question.
> > > 
> > > I couldn't get any sound -- I originally thought it was an Adobe Flash
> > > problem -- until I changed SELinux from enforcing to permissive.  How do
> > > I make sound available to the user while still using SELinux enforcing?
> > Check the /var/log/audit/audit.log file for AVC messages.
> 
> I couldn't see anything pertinent; but that doesn't mean much.  I have
> never used the audit.log before.  I could be looking at something and
> not seeing it.
> 
> > 
> > Is this F10?
> 
> Yes.  See under my signature.  I keep my program versions there for the
> main mailing lists I belong to.

Somehow my 'Front' channel?? in Alsa mixer gui got turned off.  By trial
and error I learnt that if I fully turned on the volume for 'Front' I
got my sound back.  Why SELinux enforcing also affected it is still
leaves me at a loss.

New thread to follow.

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How to get screen resolution of 1440x900?

2008-12-23 Thread Jochen Wiedmann
Hi,

I have a Dell Latitude D620 laptop running Fedora 10 with an Intel
945GM graphics controller. My display is configured as an "LCD Panel
1440x900". I would like to have that resolution, but
system-config-display offers 1024x768 only.

Using previous Fedora versions and 915resolution I had that mode in
the past. I also have this mode under Windows.

Any hints what I might research or reconfigure?

Thanks,

Jochen


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Re: dbus preventing system-config-services from running

2008-12-23 Thread stan

Jeff Spaleta wrote:

On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 8:01 PM, stan  wrote:

Yeah, I booted into both the 134 kernel and the 159 kernel.  Everything is
working fine except for this, as far as I can tell.



Hmmim not sure what's going on. I can't reproduce on my f10 32bit
system at the moment.

-jef

Just one of those things.  I am running x86_64 if that makes any difference.  But this will probably fix itself after an 
update on some package.  Thanks for the comments and to all who replied.


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F10 - something positive to say!

2008-12-23 Thread Mike Cloaked

Traditionally the forums are filled with grumbles about things that don't
work, and questions about how to work around some of those things that don't
work as they should.

However occasionally it is nice if someone says something positive about
Fedora and sends a thank you to the people who devote so much time to making
the new things happen at all and who then spend considerable time and effort
in fixing the inevitable problems that will always occur when you create new
stuff.

Since F10 was released I have installed it on 4 systems with different
hardware. One acts as a dns and dhcp server, and the others are a desktop
and two laptops. All are running dovecot imap servers in a slightly
non-standard way. Although I did have some frustrating times working around
some issues mainly associated with SElinux due to some non-standard ways of
doing things, I now have 4 systems running the way I want them to within my
LAN, with no SElinux denials, and performing efficiently and seemingly
faster than the F8 systems they replaced. These are now being used by family
members who have had smiles on their faces when using the new systems.

There are some new things yet to enthrall us like KDE4.2 before too long,
and Thunderbird 3 on the way and I would like to thank all the developers
and the testers who have brought Fedora to its current level. Fedora is
ahead of the opposition and cutting edge - and mostly it now works and works
well.

I hope there are many silent Fedora users out there who would back me up on
this!

Have a great Christmas and I hope that the New Year brings us even better
Fedora experiences.
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Re: is KDE dead - did Gnome win?

2008-12-23 Thread Rex Dieter
Armin Moradi wrote:

>> You mean the PolicyKit prompts? Santa is bringing you this review
>> request. ;-)
>> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=477199
>> I'm doing the review, I think we can get this into Rawhide soon, and then
>> we'll see for F10 and F9.
>>
>>Kevin Kofler
>>
> 
> Thanks! :D  will it be pushed as an update to F10? or should we wait till
> F11?

Probably coming with/near kde-4.2, when it lands in updates.

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Re: Eclipse not working on F10

2008-12-23 Thread Steven M. Parrish
On Tuesday 23 December 2008 09:10:48 Andrew Overholt wrote:
> * Steven M. Parrish  [2008-12-23 09:06]:
> > I am having an issue with Eclipse failing to start on F10.
>
> Try running with the -clean option.  If that doesn't work, try moving
> ~/.eclipse out of the way:  mv ~/.eclipse{,.bak20081223}; eclipse .  If
> *that* doesn't work, run with -consolelog -debug and paste the output
> into a bug at bugzilla.redhat.com.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Andrew

Thanks for the suggestions.  Nothing seemed to work so I created the bug 
report.

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=477766

Steven

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Re: Eclipse not working on F10

2008-12-23 Thread Steven M. Parrish
On Tuesday 23 December 2008 09:10:48 Andrew Overholt wrote:
> * Steven M. Parrish  [2008-12-23 09:06]:
> > I am having an issue with Eclipse failing to start on F10.
>
> Try running with the -clean option.  If that doesn't work, try moving
> ~/.eclipse out of the way:  mv ~/.eclipse{,.bak20081223}; eclipse .  If
> *that* doesn't work, run with -consolelog -debug and paste the output
> into a bug at bugzilla.redhat.com.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Andrew

Thanks Andrew,

Turns out I there was a conflict between me running Eclipse x86_64 and the 
default JRE I had installed was 32bit.  Removed the 32bit JRE and set the 
default to the 64bit one using  "alternatives --config java".

Now Eclipse is running great!

Steven

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Re: Eclipse not working on F10

2008-12-23 Thread Andrew Overholt
* Steven M. Parrish  [2008-12-23 09:06]:
> I am having an issue with Eclipse failing to start on F10.

Try running with the -clean option.  If that doesn't work, try moving
~/.eclipse out of the way:  mv ~/.eclipse{,.bak20081223}; eclipse .  If
*that* doesn't work, run with -consolelog -debug and paste the output
into a bug at bugzilla.redhat.com.

Thanks,

Andrew

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vmware-server-console: Unable to connect to the MKS: Pipe: Write failed.

2008-12-23 Thread Dario Lesca
Hi, On my Fedora10-x86_64, vmware-server-console have this problem:

>  Unable to connect to the MKS: Pipe: Write failed.

I have resolve it with this command:

> [r...@lesca ~]# yum install libXtst.i386

Hope this help

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Re: F9 and up: XDMCP support?

2008-12-23 Thread Jonathan Underwood
2008/12/22 Daniel B. Thurman :
> # cat /etc/gdm/custom.conf:
> 
> # GDM configuration storage
>
> [xdmcp]
> Enable=True

That needs to be "true", not "True".

You also need gdm-2.24.1-4.fc10 which is in updates testing.

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Eclipse not working on F10

2008-12-23 Thread Steven M. Parrish
I am having an issue with Eclipse failing to start on F10.

Here is what I am getting when running from konsole...

CompilerOracle: exclude 
org/eclipse/core/internal/dtree/DataTreeNode.forwardDeltaWith
CompilerOracle: exclude 
org/eclipse/jdt/internal/compiler/lookup/ParameterizedMethodBinding.
CompilerOracle: exclude 
org/eclipse/cdt/internal/core/dom/parser/cpp/semantics/CPPTemplates.instantiateTemplate
CompilerOracle: exclude 
org/eclipse/cdt/internal/core/pdom/dom/cpp/PDOMCPPLinkage.addBinding
CompilerOracle: exclude 
org/python/pydev/editor/codecompletion/revisited/PythonPathHelper.isValidSourceFile
CompilerOracle: exclude 
org/python/pydev/ui/filetypes/FileTypesPreferencesPage.getDottedValidSourceFiles



then it just fails.

Any ideas?


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Re: backup of my / filesystem

2008-12-23 Thread Timothy Murphy
Jerry Feldman wrote:

> I backup our system at work (500GB) using rsync. Our New York office
> runs rsync against my backup volume. Over the years I have found rsync
> to be a very reliable tool.

I just got BackupPC to work on my system, after hours of torture.
(Is this the worst documented Linux application?)
Effectively, BackupPC is a GUI front-end to rsync.
Once set up it seems quite impressive to me.


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Re: Updating and installing packages without an internet connection

2008-12-23 Thread Richard Hughes
On Mon, 2008-12-22 at 12:49 -0800, suvayu ali wrote:
> I am getting a new desktop probably today, and is going to install F10
> on it. However my problem is I don't have an internet connection at
> home. So is there a way to apply updates? I did find some suggestions
> in the archives. Most said to download all the updates onto some media
> and use rpm -Fvh *.rpm. Even if I overlook the size of the downloads,
> this won't work if I were to install new packages. How would
> dependency resolution work in that case? Is there any way I can find
> that out beforehand and download all the dependency pacakges as well?

Yup. Install gnome-packagekit-extra and use the service pack creator[1]
on a live CD.

Richard.

[1] http://www.packagekit.org/img/gpk-service-pack.png

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Re: backup of my / filesystem

2008-12-23 Thread Jerry Feldman

On 12/22/2008 04:28 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:



I wouldn't use dd for backups unless you wanted to restore an exact
bit-by-bit image of an entire filesystem.

I've found rsync to be very effective, with the important advantage
that you can run the backup several times and it will only copy what
changed between one copy and the next. The rsync man page gives
several examples of this. You might also be interested in rsnapshot,
which basically wraps crontab scripts around rsync and can keep
multiple time-related snapshots without wasting disk space.

poc

  
I backup our system at work (500GB) using rsync. Our New York office 
runs rsync against my backup volume. Over the years I have found rsync 
to be a very reliable tool.


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Re: Cheese

2008-12-23 Thread Christoph Unger
Sorry, it's the application menu I mean.
There, an entry is automatically created when the package is installed.
In the starting panel, one would have to manually create an entry.

Sorry for the confusion I caused.

Regards,
Christoph

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GPU chips vs Video Cards

2008-12-23 Thread Dave Feustel
Will the use of GPU chips eliminate the need for video cards
and/or eliminate the security vulnerabilities that the video
cards introduce into operating systems?

Thanks.


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RE: FC10 does not boot when HDD moved to another machine

2008-12-23 Thread Frank Millman
Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote:
> Frank Millman wrote:
> > 
> > I did a search for '*grub*' on my system. It found a few files. The 
> > following could be relevant -
> > 
> > 1. /etc/sysconfig/grub
> > boot=/dev/sda
> > forcelba=0
> > 
> > 2. /sbin/grub-install
> > I ran it, but it asked for an install_device. I prefer not to 
> > guess, so I did not try any further.
> > 
> > 
> > For the record, 'ls /boot' looks like this -
> > 
> > config-2.6.27.7-134.fc10.i686
> > initrd-2.6.27.7-134.fc10.i686.img
> > System.map-2.6.27.7-134.fc10.i686
> > vmlinuz-2.6.27.7-134.fc10.i686
> > 
> > If I type 'umount /boot', it says '/boot: not mounted'. Is that 
> > expected? As mentioned in my reply to Paulo, /etc/fstab has 
> changed. 
> > It used to contain an entry for /boot, but now it does not. 
> I am not 
> > sure when it changed, but I think it was when I selected 
> > Install/Upgrade on the second machine. I got a warning 
> message and did 
> > not proceed, but a couple of things seem to have changed after that.
> > 
> OK - this makes things interesting. Grub know where to find 
> the /boot partition, but booting in the rescue mode does not find it.
> (It uses /etc/fstab to mount your other partitions.) The 
> reason you have files in /boot is because they were written 
> there when it was not being used as a mount point. If you get 
> the /boot partition mounted on /boot, you will no longer see them.
> 
> I suspect that what you need to do is add the
> 
> UUID=b6c62c5a-0afb-4258-a726-6a377a6f3b9e  /boot ext3 defaults  1  2
> 
> line back into /etc/fstab, and then "mount /boot".
> 
> If that works, then you will want to unmount it again, and 
> copy the file that will be there to a temporary location, 
> remount /boot, and copy them back. After that, you should be 
> able to move the drive to the second machine, boot from the 
> rescue disk, and have the full /boot tree. You can then build 
> the initrd and make the changes in the Grub menu we talked about.
> 

BRILLIANT!

Thank you, Mikkel. I followed your instructions, and it worked exactly as
you predicted.

There were a couple of minor hurdles to overcome. I will document them here
in case anyone else tries the same thing.

I had to make the following changes to /etc/grub.conf -

Before -
  timeout=0
  hiddenmenu

After -
  timeout=10
  #hiddenmenu

Then I could see the menu and select the alternative boot image.

After moving the hard drive to the second machine and booting in rescue
mode, /boot is *not* mounted. You have to type 'mount /boot' first.
Otherwise mkinitrd writes the new image to the unmounted /boot point, and it
will not be detected on a reboot.

Rebooting on the new machine appeared to hang, but then I realised it was
because the onboard graphics card is different. Luckily I could type Alt+F2
and get a text login screen, change /etc/inittab default from 5 to 3, and
reboot in text mode. Then I could configure X.

When booting the new machine, 'Starting udev' takes about 40 seconds. On the
original machine it takes 5 seconds. I don't know if there is anything one
can do about that.

I have now moved the drive back to the original machine, so I did not test
it thoroughly in the second machine, but as far as I could tell everything
was working fine.

Thank you very much indeed for all the assistance.

Regards

Frank

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