Re: Help with d????????? ? ? ? ? ? .gvfs

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Mon, 2009-07-06 at 22:48 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> >Have you tried unmounting it? I'm not a Gnome user either, and I
> >unmounted it with no trouble.
> 
> umount told root it was busy.

Which means something was using it, so maybe you do actually need it.
You could use 'lsof .gvfs' to find out more.

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Re: Help with d????????? ? ? ? ? ? .gvfs

[Gene Heskett]

On Monday 06 July 2009, David wrote:
actually Gene Heskett
>> That depends on whose fault it is.  Having something existing on a system
>> that not even root can control sends up alarms, fireworks and red flags to
>> me. There is no way in hell I can lay that problem on amanda's doorstep. 
>> This is supposed to be open source, where everything is visible and
>> controllable. This thing seems to have been under the radar till it just
>> showed up, set as a default someplace.
>
>"Just showed up"? Do you mean gvfs? It "just showed up" in the Fedora 9
>release.

Which I never ran, going from F8 to F10.

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Re: Help with d????????? ? ? ? ? ? .gvfs

[Gene Heskett]

On Monday 06 July 2009, Sharpe, Sam J wrote:
[...]
>>>The way that you wrote this Gene I would think that your "driving amanda
>>>to squawk" problem is an amanda problem not a .gvfs problem. Amanda is
>>>an 'addon' backup application, correct? And .gvfs is part of the Fedora
>>>operating file system. This .gvfs *belongs* there and is needed.
>>>
>>>--
>>>
>>>
>>>  David
>>
>> By what, David?  I'm running kde here.  I just made that script from a
>> previous message, then did a killall on the daemon, and with that gone the
>> tree if any has now been deleted.  We will wait and see what squawks.
>>
>> As far as the comment about an addon, non-approved app like amanda is
>> concerned.
>
>As far as I can see, there is no distinction between gnome-vfs2 and
>amanda in terms of what is an 'addon'. They both come from the same
>repositories.

Sorry Sam, not true for me.  The things that are done to amanda in order to 
hammer it into the rpm mold do not set well with amanda's security model.  So 
the amanda here is built from their tarball, and has been so for over a 
decade.

>Gnome is the certainly a default in some Fedora spins,
>but that doesn't make it and it's dependencies the one-true-desktop.
>
>I like gnome-vfs2, I use it a lot - but I'm a Gnome user - I can quite
>see why KIOSlave would be more important to KDE users and other
>methods of accessing virtual filesystems important to other DE users.
>If Gene doesn't want gvfs, then it shouldn't be there - Free Operating
>systems are about empowering user choice!
>
Amen.  There are things in the std kernel that I never build, device-mapper 
being one of them.  They started playing with the drive ordering about 3 years 
ago, and the only way I can protect myself from the volatility of that is to 
not enable it at all, so /dev/sda _stays_ /dev/sda without becoming /dev/sdh 
the next time I boot.  That obviously is a boot failure that requires I play 
with the (hd0,0) statements in my grub.conf until I find the magic twanger 
that will work, more than likely only for that particular bootup.  I have I 
think, 4 stanza's of fedora kernels in my grub.conf, with all files needed in 
the /boot partition.  I actually tried to boot one of them about 4 months 
back, and it couldn't find and mount /, device mapper was enabled I guess.  
But its there, right on /dev/sda3, exactly where I put it, and exactly where 
my grub.conf says it is.

So when it happened and I fussed, I got laughed at & told to 'get used to it'.

Sorry, such BS just doesn't cut it.  My pleas for stable device mapping were 
thrown under the bus & the driver slapped cuz the bus wasn't moving quickly 
enough.  I look at the bootup fussing that it can't find device-mapper every 
boot, BUT IT BOOTS...

>But that said, I get the same thing with my .gvfs directory when I ssh
>in to a freshly booted system without Gnome running - which may be the
>environment that amanda might have to deal with - and having screwy
>permissions at any point has to rate a bug surely?

I concur 100% that its a bug.

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Re: Help with d????????? ? ? ? ? ? .gvfs

[David]

On 7/6/2009 11:21 PM, Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Monday 06 July 2009, David wrote:
>> On 7/6/2009 5:30 PM, Gene Heskett wrote:
>>> On Monday 06 July 2009, David wrote:
 On 7/6/2009 11:27 AM, Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Monday 06 July 2009, William M. Quarles wrote:
>> I have a directory in my home directory named .gvfs with the following
>> properties when I do an ls -Al:
>>
>> d?  ? ?   ??? .gvfs
>>
>> I can't access it, delete it, nor rename it; nor can root do any of
>> those things. I keep getting error messages in the terminal saying as
>> such, too. Does anybody know how I can fix this?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> William
> I'll follow this thread too, as I have it, and its driving amanda to
> squawk about it.  And root cannot do anything to it either.
 The way that you wrote this Gene I would think that your "driving amanda
 to squawk" problem is an amanda problem not a .gvfs problem. Amanda is
 an 'addon' backup application, correct? And .gvfs is part of the Fedora
 operating file system. This .gvfs *belongs* there and is needed.

 --


  David
>>> By what, David?  I'm running kde here.  I just made that script from a
>>> previous message, then did a killall on the daemon, and with that gone the
>>> tree if any has now been deleted.  We will wait and see what squawks.
>> FUSE
>>
>> Filesystem in Userspace
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_in_Userspace
>>
>> My guess would be something important.  :-)
>>
>>> As far as the comment about an addon, non-approved app like amanda is
>>> concerned, I have been running amanda since back in the day when redhat
>>> actually supplied bru as its backup app.  Amanda beat it then, and still
>>> beats anything in the fedora repos 11 years later.  Quality code generally
>>> stands the test of time, particularly when it has been in active
>>> development for all of those years, even before linux itself I believe as
>>> its an even older unix app.  I'm running the snapshot taken on 06/22/2009
>>> right now.  Where is bru today?  I have no idea.
>> When I said addon I meant 'no part of the original installed operating
>> system'. And I would still be more inclined to pester the amanda
>> developers about this bug than to perhaps disable a perfectly running
>> computer.
>>
> That depends on whose fault it is.  Having something existing on a system 
> that 
> not even root can control sends up alarms, fireworks and red flags to me.  
> There is no way in hell I can lay that problem on amanda's doorstep.  This is 
> supposed to be open source, where everything is visible and controllable.  
> This thing seems to have been under the radar till it just showed up, set as 
> a 
> default someplace.


"Just showed up"? Do you mean gvfs? It "just showed up" in the Fedora 9
release.


> As for starting something called FUSE at boot time, should not whatever it is 
> that starts the daemon set off a fuss if it cannot find the daemon to start 
> it?  I just rebooted, to 2.6.30.1 because the oom killer in 31-rc2 only 
> allows 
> around 12-18 hours of uptime, BIG memory leak somewhere.  And no mention 
> shows 
> in a dmesg, I just looked again.


Good for you.

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Re: Help with d????????? ? ? ? ? ? .gvfs

[Gene Heskett]

On Monday 06 July 2009, David wrote:
>On 7/6/2009 5:30 PM, Gene Heskett wrote:
>> On Monday 06 July 2009, David wrote:
>>> On 7/6/2009 11:27 AM, Gene Heskett wrote:
 On Monday 06 July 2009, William M. Quarles wrote:
> I have a directory in my home directory named .gvfs with the following
> properties when I do an ls -Al:
>
> d?  ? ?   ??? .gvfs
>
> I can't access it, delete it, nor rename it; nor can root do any of
> those things. I keep getting error messages in the terminal saying as
> such, too. Does anybody know how I can fix this?
>
> Thanks,
> William

 I'll follow this thread too, as I have it, and its driving amanda to
 squawk about it.  And root cannot do anything to it either.
>>>
>>> The way that you wrote this Gene I would think that your "driving amanda
>>> to squawk" problem is an amanda problem not a .gvfs problem. Amanda is
>>> an 'addon' backup application, correct? And .gvfs is part of the Fedora
>>> operating file system. This .gvfs *belongs* there and is needed.
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>>
>>>  David
>>
>> By what, David?  I'm running kde here.  I just made that script from a
>> previous message, then did a killall on the daemon, and with that gone the
>> tree if any has now been deleted.  We will wait and see what squawks.
>
>FUSE
>
>Filesystem in Userspace
>
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_in_Userspace
>
>My guess would be something important.  :-)
>
>> As far as the comment about an addon, non-approved app like amanda is
>> concerned, I have been running amanda since back in the day when redhat
>> actually supplied bru as its backup app.  Amanda beat it then, and still
>> beats anything in the fedora repos 11 years later.  Quality code generally
>> stands the test of time, particularly when it has been in active
>> development for all of those years, even before linux itself I believe as
>> its an even older unix app.  I'm running the snapshot taken on 06/22/2009
>> right now.  Where is bru today?  I have no idea.
>
>When I said addon I meant 'no part of the original installed operating
>system'. And I would still be more inclined to pester the amanda
>developers about this bug than to perhaps disable a perfectly running
>computer.
>
That depends on whose fault it is.  Having something existing on a system that 
not even root can control sends up alarms, fireworks and red flags to me.  
There is no way in hell I can lay that problem on amanda's doorstep.  This is 
supposed to be open source, where everything is visible and controllable.  
This thing seems to have been under the radar till it just showed up, set as a 
default someplace.

As for starting something called FUSE at boot time, should not whatever it is 
that starts the daemon set off a fuss if it cannot find the daemon to start 
it?  I just rebooted, to 2.6.30.1 because the oom killer in 31-rc2 only allows 
around 12-18 hours of uptime, BIG memory leak somewhere.  And no mention shows 
in a dmesg, I just looked again.

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>
>
>  David


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Re: Help with d????????? ? ? ? ? ? .gvfs

[Gene Heskett]

On Monday 06 July 2009, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
>On Mon, 2009-07-06 at 17:07 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
>> On Monday 06 July 2009, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
>> >On Mon, 2009-07-06 at 11:27 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
>> >> On Monday 06 July 2009, William M. Quarles wrote:
>> >> >I have a directory in my home directory named .gvfs with the following
>> >> >properties when I do an ls -Al:
>> >> >
>> >> >d?  ? ?   ??? .gvfs
>> >> >
>> >> >I can't access it, delete it, nor rename it; nor can root do any of
>> >> >those things. I keep getting error messages in the terminal saying as
>> >> >such, too. Does anybody know how I can fix this?
>> >> >
>> >> >Thanks,
>> >> >William
>> >>
>> >> I'll follow this thread too, as I have it, and its driving amanda to
>> >> squawk about it.  And root cannot do anything to it either.
>> >
>> >This has been discussed at length already:
>> >
>> >https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-list/2008-October/msg02751.html
>> >
>> >poc
>>
>> If quoting a thread, then IMNSHO the thread should have the definitive
>> answer.
>>
>> And that thread never gets to an answer.  Not being a gnome user, if it is
>> part of gnome, and I'm not running gnome (spit), then why can't it be un-
>> mounted or deleted?  All those answers are dbl-talk to me.
>
>Then try a wider search:
>
>http://markmail.org/search/list:com.redhat.fedora-list?q=gvfs#query:list
>%3Acom.redhat.fedora-list%20gvfs+page:1+mid:zsyhw6ysrteazqz7
>+state:results
>
>And of course Google, as ever.
>
>poc

The point is now moot I believe, although I haven't checked since a reboot was 
forced by kernel-2.6.31-rc2's oom killer just now.  So I'm back on 2.6.30.1 & 
its doofy clock.

No, it was not re-created by the reboot.

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Re: Help with d????????? ? ? ? ? ? .gvfs

[Gene Heskett]

On Monday 06 July 2009, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
>On Mon, 2009-07-06 at 17:07 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
>> Not being a gnome user, if it is
>> part of gnome, and I'm not running gnome (spit), then why can't it be
>> unmounted or deleted?
>
>Have you tried unmounting it? I'm not a Gnome user either, and I
>unmounted it with no trouble.

umount told root it was busy.

>I did have to do it as root, but with an
>appropriate fstab entry that would presumably not be necessary. I
>haven't bothered because it doesn't get in my way.
>
>poc


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Re: Help with d????????? ? ? ? ? ? .gvfs

[Tom Horsley]

On Mon, 06 Jul 2009 17:18:17 -0400
Gene Heskett wrote:

> What gets me is that there is no starter code anyplace in /etc/rc* that 
> starts 
> it.

I'm betting it is hard coded in gnome-settings-daemon since that is
about the only thing from gnome I always start, but they could
have hid it somewhere else too. If you are really bored you could
try running "strings -a" on all the programs installed by any
gnome packages and see which one has the string "gvfs-fuse-daemon"
in it :-). I already tried searching the gconf database and
it doesn't appear in there anywhere that I can find.

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Re: Help with d????????? ? ? ? ? ? .gvfs

[Sharpe, Sam J]

2009/7/6 Gene Heskett :
> On Monday 06 July 2009, David wrote:
>>On 7/6/2009 11:27 AM, Gene Heskett wrote:
>>> On Monday 06 July 2009, William M. Quarles wrote:
 I have a directory in my home directory named .gvfs with the following
 properties when I do an ls -Al:

 d?  ? ?       ?            ?                ? .gvfs

 I can't access it, delete it, nor rename it; nor can root do any of
 those things. I keep getting error messages in the terminal saying as
 such, too. Does anybody know how I can fix this?

 Thanks,
 William
>>>
>>> I'll follow this thread too, as I have it, and its driving amanda to
>>> squawk about it.  And root cannot do anything to it either.
>>
>>The way that you wrote this Gene I would think that your "driving amanda
>>to squawk" problem is an amanda problem not a .gvfs problem. Amanda is
>>an 'addon' backup application, correct? And .gvfs is part of the Fedora
>>operating file system. This .gvfs *belongs* there and is needed.
>>
>>--
>>
>>
>>  David
>
> By what, David?  I'm running kde here.  I just made that script from a
> previous message, then did a killall on the daemon, and with that gone the
> tree if any has now been deleted.  We will wait and see what squawks.
>
> As far as the comment about an addon, non-approved app like amanda is
> concerned.

As far as I can see, there is no distinction between gnome-vfs2 and
amanda in terms of what is an 'addon'. They both come from the same
repositories. Gnome is the certainly a default in some Fedora spins,
but that doesn't make it and it's dependencies the one-true-desktop.

I like gnome-vfs2, I use it a lot - but I'm a Gnome user - I can quite
see why KIOSlave would be more important to KDE users and other
methods of accessing virtual filesystems important to other DE users.
If Gene doesn't want gvfs, then it shouldn't be there - Free Operating
systems are about empowering user choice!

But that said, I get the same thing with my .gvfs directory when I ssh
in to a freshly booted system without Gnome running - which may be the
environment that amanda might have to deal with - and having screwy
permissions at any point has to rate a bug surely?

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Re: Help with d????????? ? ? ? ? ? .gvfs

[David]

On 7/6/2009 5:30 PM, Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Monday 06 July 2009, David wrote:
>> On 7/6/2009 11:27 AM, Gene Heskett wrote:
>>> On Monday 06 July 2009, William M. Quarles wrote:
 I have a directory in my home directory named .gvfs with the following
 properties when I do an ls -Al:

 d?  ? ?   ??? .gvfs

 I can't access it, delete it, nor rename it; nor can root do any of
 those things. I keep getting error messages in the terminal saying as
 such, too. Does anybody know how I can fix this?

 Thanks,
 William
>>> I'll follow this thread too, as I have it, and its driving amanda to
>>> squawk about it.  And root cannot do anything to it either.
>> The way that you wrote this Gene I would think that your "driving amanda
>> to squawk" problem is an amanda problem not a .gvfs problem. Amanda is
>> an 'addon' backup application, correct? And .gvfs is part of the Fedora
>> operating file system. This .gvfs *belongs* there and is needed.
>>
>> --
>>
>>
>>  David
> 
> By what, David?  I'm running kde here.  I just made that script from a 
> previous message, then did a killall on the daemon, and with that gone the 
> tree if any has now been deleted.  We will wait and see what squawks.

FUSE

Filesystem in Userspace

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_in_Userspace

My guess would be something important.  :-)


> As far as the comment about an addon, non-approved app like amanda is 
> concerned, I have been running amanda since back in the day when redhat 
> actually supplied bru as its backup app.  Amanda beat it then, and still 
> beats 
> anything in the fedora repos 11 years later.  Quality code generally stands 
> the test of time, particularly when it has been in active development for all 
> of those years, even before linux itself I believe as its an even older unix 
> app.  I'm running the snapshot taken on 06/22/2009 right now.  Where is bru 
> today?  I have no idea.


When I said addon I meant 'no part of the original installed operating
system'. And I would still be more inclined to pester the amanda
developers about this bug than to perhaps disable a perfectly running
computer.

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Re: Help with d????????? ? ? ? ? ? .gvfs

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Mon, 2009-07-06 at 17:07 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Monday 06 July 2009, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> >On Mon, 2009-07-06 at 11:27 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> >> On Monday 06 July 2009, William M. Quarles wrote:
> >> >I have a directory in my home directory named .gvfs with the following
> >> >properties when I do an ls -Al:
> >> >
> >> >d?  ? ?   ??? .gvfs
> >> >
> >> >I can't access it, delete it, nor rename it; nor can root do any of
> >> >those things. I keep getting error messages in the terminal saying as
> >> >such, too. Does anybody know how I can fix this?
> >> >
> >> >Thanks,
> >> >William
> >>
> >> I'll follow this thread too, as I have it, and its driving amanda to
> >> squawk about it.  And root cannot do anything to it either.
> >
> >This has been discussed at length already:
> >
> >https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-list/2008-October/msg02751.html
> >
> >poc
> 
> If quoting a thread, then IMNSHO the thread should have the definitive answer.
> 
> And that thread never gets to an answer.  Not being a gnome user, if it is 
> part of gnome, and I'm not running gnome (spit), then why can't it be un-
> mounted or deleted?  All those answers are dbl-talk to me.  

Then try a wider search:

http://markmail.org/search/list:com.redhat.fedora-list?q=gvfs#query:list
%3Acom.redhat.fedora-list%20gvfs+page:1+mid:zsyhw6ysrteazqz7
+state:results

And of course Google, as ever.

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Re: Help with d????????? ? ? ? ? ? .gvfs

[Gene Heskett]

On Monday 06 July 2009, David wrote:
>On 7/6/2009 11:27 AM, Gene Heskett wrote:
>> On Monday 06 July 2009, William M. Quarles wrote:
>>> I have a directory in my home directory named .gvfs with the following
>>> properties when I do an ls -Al:
>>>
>>> d?  ? ?   ??? .gvfs
>>>
>>> I can't access it, delete it, nor rename it; nor can root do any of
>>> those things. I keep getting error messages in the terminal saying as
>>> such, too. Does anybody know how I can fix this?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> William
>>
>> I'll follow this thread too, as I have it, and its driving amanda to
>> squawk about it.  And root cannot do anything to it either.
>
>The way that you wrote this Gene I would think that your "driving amanda
>to squawk" problem is an amanda problem not a .gvfs problem. Amanda is
>an 'addon' backup application, correct? And .gvfs is part of the Fedora
>operating file system. This .gvfs *belongs* there and is needed.
>
>--
>
>
>  David

By what, David?  I'm running kde here.  I just made that script from a 
previous message, then did a killall on the daemon, and with that gone the 
tree if any has now been deleted.  We will wait and see what squawks.

As far as the comment about an addon, non-approved app like amanda is 
concerned, I have been running amanda since back in the day when redhat 
actually supplied bru as its backup app.  Amanda beat it then, and still beats 
anything in the fedora repos 11 years later.  Quality code generally stands 
the test of time, particularly when it has been in active development for all 
of those years, even before linux itself I believe as its an even older unix 
app.  I'm running the snapshot taken on 06/22/2009 right now.  Where is bru 
today?  I have no idea.

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Re: Help with d????????? ? ? ? ? ? .gvfs

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Mon, 2009-07-06 at 17:07 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> Not being a gnome user, if it is 
> part of gnome, and I'm not running gnome (spit), then why can't it be
> unmounted or deleted? 

Have you tried unmounting it? I'm not a Gnome user either, and I
unmounted it with no trouble. I did have to do it as root, but with an
appropriate fstab entry that would presumably not be necessary. I
haven't bothered because it doesn't get in my way.

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Re: Help with d????????? ? ? ? ? ? .gvfs

[Gene Heskett]

On Monday 06 July 2009, Tom Horsley wrote:
>On Mon, 6 Jul 2009 09:51:43 -0400
>
>Tom Horsley wrote:
>> I'm already using as little of gnome as I possibly can, yet something
>> starts the damn gvfs daemon in the microscopic parts of gnome I am
>> forced to start to get any gtk app to work at all :-).
>
>OK, I finally took the time to discover a way to squash it utterly.
>I now have my system setup to run this script after ever yum
>update (so if it comes back, I'll squash it again):
>
>#!/bin/bash
>#
>if [ -f /usr/libexec/gvfs-fuse-daemon ]
>then
>   rm -f /usr/libexec/NOTgvfs-fuse-daemonNOT
>   mv /usr/libexec/gvfs-fuse-daemon /usr/libexec/NOTgvfs-fuse-daemonNOT
>fi
>
>By renaming the daemon that runs the fuse mount, it can't
>get it started.
>
>I haven't noticed a single thing that fails to function
>yet with it disabled like this.
>
>I can't just remove the package that provides the daemon because
>several things claim to depend on it, but despite that, they
>all seem to work fine without it running.
>
>My ~/.gvfs directory is now just a plain directory with no
>weird attributes to confuse the heck out of backup
>programs, etc.

Thank you very much.  Between that and a killall fuse, I can and have deleted 
it.  Now we wait to see what fusses.

What gets me is that there is no starter code anyplace in /etc/rc* that starts 
it.

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Re: Help with d????????? ? ? ? ? ? .gvfs

[Gene Heskett]

On Monday 06 July 2009, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
>On Mon, 2009-07-06 at 11:27 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
>> On Monday 06 July 2009, William M. Quarles wrote:
>> >I have a directory in my home directory named .gvfs with the following
>> >properties when I do an ls -Al:
>> >
>> >d?  ? ?   ??? .gvfs
>> >
>> >I can't access it, delete it, nor rename it; nor can root do any of
>> >those things. I keep getting error messages in the terminal saying as
>> >such, too. Does anybody know how I can fix this?
>> >
>> >Thanks,
>> >William
>>
>> I'll follow this thread too, as I have it, and its driving amanda to
>> squawk about it.  And root cannot do anything to it either.
>
>This has been discussed at length already:
>
>https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-list/2008-October/msg02751.html
>
>poc

If quoting a thread, then IMNSHO the thread should have the definitive answer.

And that thread never gets to an answer.  Not being a gnome user, if it is 
part of gnome, and I'm not running gnome (spit), then why can't it be un-
mounted or deleted?  All those answers are dbl-talk to me.  

Here it claims it is busy.  And I get an email from amanda every morning 
claiming it cannot access it.

So how about answering the original question?, which seemed to be something 
along the lines of a 'how can I get rid of it' question.

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Re: Help with d????????? ? ? ? ? ? .gvfs

[David]

On 7/6/2009 11:27 AM, Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Monday 06 July 2009, William M. Quarles wrote:
>> I have a directory in my home directory named .gvfs with the following
>> properties when I do an ls -Al:
>>
>> d?  ? ?   ??? .gvfs
>>
>> I can't access it, delete it, nor rename it; nor can root do any of
>> those things. I keep getting error messages in the terminal saying as
>> such, too. Does anybody know how I can fix this?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> William
> I'll follow this thread too, as I have it, and its driving amanda to squawk 
> about it.  And root cannot do anything to it either.
> 


The way that you wrote this Gene I would think that your "driving amanda
to squawk" problem is an amanda problem not a .gvfs problem. Amanda is
an 'addon' backup application, correct? And .gvfs is part of the Fedora
operating file system. This .gvfs *belongs* there and is needed.

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Re: Help with d????????? ? ? ? ? ? .gvfs

[Tom Horsley]

On Mon, 6 Jul 2009 09:51:43 -0400
Tom Horsley wrote:

> I'm already using as little of gnome as I possibly can, yet something starts
> the damn gvfs daemon in the microscopic parts of gnome I am
> forced to start to get any gtk app to work at all :-).

OK, I finally took the time to discover a way to squash it utterly.
I now have my system setup to run this script after ever yum
update (so if it comes back, I'll squash it again):

#!/bin/bash
#
if [ -f /usr/libexec/gvfs-fuse-daemon ]
then
   rm -f /usr/libexec/NOTgvfs-fuse-daemonNOT
   mv /usr/libexec/gvfs-fuse-daemon /usr/libexec/NOTgvfs-fuse-daemonNOT
fi

By renaming the daemon that runs the fuse mount, it can't
get it started.

I haven't noticed a single thing that fails to function
yet with it disabled like this.

I can't just remove the package that provides the daemon because
several things claim to depend on it, but despite that, they
all seem to work fine without it running.

My ~/.gvfs directory is now just a plain directory with no
weird attributes to confuse the heck out of backup
programs, etc.

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Re: Help with d????????? ? ? ? ? ? .gvfs

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Mon, 2009-07-06 at 11:27 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Monday 06 July 2009, William M. Quarles wrote:
> >I have a directory in my home directory named .gvfs with the following
> >properties when I do an ls -Al:
> >
> >d?  ? ?   ??? .gvfs
> >
> >I can't access it, delete it, nor rename it; nor can root do any of
> >those things. I keep getting error messages in the terminal saying as
> >such, too. Does anybody know how I can fix this?
> >
> >Thanks,
> >William
> I'll follow this thread too, as I have it, and its driving amanda to squawk 
> about it.  And root cannot do anything to it either.

This has been discussed at length already:

https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-list/2008-October/msg02751.html

poc

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Re: Help with d????????? ? ? ? ? ? .gvfs

[Gene Heskett]

On Monday 06 July 2009, William M. Quarles wrote:
>I have a directory in my home directory named .gvfs with the following
>properties when I do an ls -Al:
>
>d?  ? ?   ??? .gvfs
>
>I can't access it, delete it, nor rename it; nor can root do any of
>those things. I keep getting error messages in the terminal saying as
>such, too. Does anybody know how I can fix this?
>
>Thanks,
>William
I'll follow this thread too, as I have it, and its driving amanda to squawk 
about it.  And root cannot do anything to it either.

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Re: Help with d????????? ? ? ? ? ? .gvfs

[Tom Horsley]

On Mon, 6 Jul 2009 13:43:29 + (UTC)
davide wrote:

> > but is (like so much else in gnome)
> > really just a pain that causes untold problems in many
> > different tools.  
> 
> 
> feel free to switch to something else, like KDE or OpenBox or I don't know.

I'm already using as little of gnome as I possibly can, yet something starts
the damn gvfs daemon in the microscopic parts of gnome I am
forced to start to get any gtk app to work at all :-).

Maybe if I created a plain file named ~/.gvfs and did a chattr +i on
it that would frustrate the daemon enough to leave me alone - I'll
have to try it sometime...

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Re: Help with d????????? ? ? ? ? ? .gvfs

[davide]

Tom Horsley  att.net> writes:

> but is (like so much else in gnome)
> really just a pain that causes untold problems in many
> different tools.


feel free to switch to something else, like KDE or OpenBox or I don't know.

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Re: Help with d????????? ? ? ? ? ? .gvfs

[Mamoru Tasaka]

William M. Quarles wrote, at 07/06/2009 08:32 PM +9:00:
I have a directory in my home directory named .gvfs with the following 
properties when I do an ls -Al:


d?  ? ?   ??? .gvfs

I can't access it, delete it, nor rename it; nor can root do any of 
those things. I keep getting error messages in the terminal saying as 
such, too. Does anybody know how I can fix this?


Thanks,
William


I guess you are seeing this issue:
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=493565

Several people (including me) reported this issue, however no
one has found how to "reproduce" this exactly and no
solution is found yet.

Regards,
Mamoru

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Re: Help with d????????? ? ? ? ? ? .gvfs

[William M. Quarles]

davide wrote:

William M. Quarles  bellsouth.net> writes:
I have a directory in my home directory named .gvfs with the following 
properties when I do an ls -Al:


d?  ? ?   ??? .gvfs

I can't access it, delete it, nor rename it; nor can root do any of 
those things. I keep getting error messages in the terminal saying as 
such, too. Does anybody know how I can fix this?


I had the same after changing my uid and gid.
I tried for a while to deal with this file, then I simple gave up.
After the reboot, it was simple to delete it :-)

(I suppose it's better to delete it, outside gnome session)




Yeah, I had to go into rescue mode with an installation disc and run 
fsck, through which the problem was fixed. No deletion necessary!


Peace,
William

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Re: Help with d????????? ? ? ? ? ? .gvfs

[Joachim Backes]

William M. Quarles wrote:
I have a directory in my home directory named .gvfs with the following 
properties when I do an ls -Al:


d?  ? ?   ??? .gvfs

I can't access it, delete it, nor rename it; nor can root do any of 
those things. I keep getting error messages in the terminal saying as 
such, too. Does anybody know how I can fix this?


Thanks,
William



http://library.gnome.org/misc/release-notes/2.22/#sect:gvfs-gio
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Re: Help with d????????? ? ? ? ? ? .gvfs

[Tom Horsley]

On Mon, 06 Jul 2009 07:32:07 -0400
William M. Quarles wrote:

> I have a directory in my home directory named .gvfs

I don't know how to get rid of it (I wish I did), but I do
know it isn't a "real" directory. It is some imaginary
nonsense gnome created to produce some kind of virtual
filesystem (using fuse I think) which the gnome developers
imagine is useful, but is (like so much else in gnome)
really just a pain that causes untold problems in many
different tools.

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Re: Help with d????????? ? ? ? ? ? .gvfs

[davide]

William M. Quarles  bellsouth.net> writes:
> I have a directory in my home directory named .gvfs with the following 
> properties when I do an ls -Al:
> 
> d?  ? ?   ??? .gvfs
> 
> I can't access it, delete it, nor rename it; nor can root do any of 
> those things. I keep getting error messages in the terminal saying as 
> such, too. Does anybody know how I can fix this?

I had the same after changing my uid and gid.
I tried for a while to deal with this file, then I simple gave up.
After the reboot, it was simple to delete it :-)

(I suppose it's better to delete it, outside gnome session)


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Help with d????????? ? ? ? ? ? .gvfs

[William M. Quarles]

I have a directory in my home directory named .gvfs with the following 
properties when I do an ls -Al:


d?  ? ?   ??? .gvfs

I can't access it, delete it, nor rename it; nor can root do any of 
those things. I keep getting error messages in the terminal saying as 
such, too. Does anybody know how I can fix this?


Thanks,
William

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