Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV Positive Young Mom Cat Babies
Beth, Sorry it took me so long to reply. Toxic is a strange word. It is sort of like 'allergy' in the world of pharmacology. When taking an antibiotic people/animals often experience GI problems and some will call it an allergy. It is not it is more like a side effect than an allergy. Toxic is the same kind of thing. When something causes damage to say the kidney, liver, CNS (central nervous system), retina, lungs or heart I would certainly call it toxic. When it causes loose stool or diarrhea I would be less inclined to call it toxic. With respect to Aloe vera, the skin of the plant contains a factor than can be a strong laxative. In juice form this is a less potent problem as the skin is not present. There are groups that have tried to extract the active immunoregulatory components of aloe and removed the laxative effects. Mannatech is one such organization. They sell a product called ambotrose. If one prefers to avoid the possible GI effects they could try this. So, to the best of my knowledge, the plant itself can cause severe diarrhea, the juice less so and the processed Ambotrose virtually no problems with GI issues. Hope this helps, and Gary I forgot, but I will get the abstracts to you. Jenny On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 10:05 PM, create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote: I don't know anything about this, so forgive me if this is an ignorant question, but isn't Aloe Vera toxic to cats? I know our rescue adopted out a cat that got very ill from munching on her new owner's Aloe Vera Plant. Beth --Original Message-- From: jbero tds.net Sender: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org ReplyTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV Positive Young Mom Cat Babies Sent: Mar 28, 2010 7:51 PM Gary, You ask a loaded question. Technically oral 'acemannan' is not yet available. What I was referring to was the oral form of sugars that are an extract from the aloe vera plant. The best product would be an organic all natural aloe vera juice preparation. There are a few good ones out there. With respect to specific papers supporting it's efficacy. Well, this is convoluted. Largely because felv is so unpredictable and it's hard to say whether any of these treatments are really doing anything anyway. Having said that, there are many papers written about the value of aloe vera poly- and mono-saccharides in viral infections and immune support. In reference to felv specifically most studies have been done around the IP injection. There is a paper comparing the use of IP injection and oral preparation in fiv cats - comparable results in each group. I don't have access to pub meb from this computer, but can get it from work and send you the abstract. To me the big issue is whether or not things are absorbed through the oral preparation - the fiv paper supports that it does and most of what I know about intestinal absorption supports easy passive and active diffusion of the sugars. Additionally any IP injection would also require absorption into the vascular system. To the best of my knowledge no specific research has yet been done or at least published to answer your exact question. Although it always nice to have evidence to support actions, sometimes the data just isn't there. I still believe in the value of acemannan and believe it can be used orally if only as a support measure in assisting the immune system. I have recently, however, spoken with a number of holistic vets who have better success with a oral supplement known as Moducare - it is a plant sterol derivative known to modulate the immune system. Some of them have also expressed support of the Standard Process feline immune support supplement. Who knows. I wish there was a straight forward easy answer to this disease. I really do, but I haven't found it yet. I will keep searching and I hope that if you find anything of value that you share it with me. Thanks and I will send you the paper when I can. Jenny On 3/26/10, Gary gcru...@centurytel.net wrote: I would be very interested in the source of the oral product and the protocol for FeLV cats. Also, any articles or studies relating to the use of oral Acemannan. Thanks, Gary jbero tds.net wrote: Minnie, 3. Acemannan - a supplement known to help fight off the virus. I would get them on an oral dose of this daily. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Phoenix/Tempe?
Still looking know of any people to help or reputable rescues in the Phoenix/Tempe area? Gloria Begin forwarded message: From: Gloria B. Lane gbl...@aristotle.net Date: March 29, 2010 4:12:23 PM CDT To: Feline Leukemia felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] off topic: need a temp stay and ride from Phoenix/Tempearea Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Anybody in the Phoenix-Tempe , AZ, area? Someone who adopted from us (Feline Rescue and Rehome, Teamfurr.org) has financial problems, wants to give up his two cats. He adopted one from us, but they're buddies. Looking for temporary housing and a ride back to Little Rock, Arkansas! Thanks! Gloria ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Holmes Please add to the CLS :(
We lost another wonderful boy to felv today,Holmes was a quiet laid back sweet orange guy.He will be missed very much. Sherry We who choose to surround ourselves with lives more temporary than our own, Live within a fragile circle,easily and often breached. Unable to accept its awful gaps. We still would have it no other way ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] day 9 of baytril
from what i know, the problems with baytril and blindness generally has involved young kittens. baytril is a great drug for certain things, and in some cases i know of people who've made the decision to take the risk blind is a whole lot better than dead, after all. ask anyone. MC -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccine
the injection-site sarcoma issue has largely been eliminated by the removal of the adjuvent, the change in placement of the vaccine, and the advent of safer inoculations, and non-injecting manners of delivery. if you're NEVER going to bring another cat into your house, EVER, then i'd say, don't vaccinate. but if you are, i'd do the full initial series--which, personally, i think is effective for life, too, tho research hasn't been done to confim this. even with that research, that's how vaccines SHOULD work in all species, plus there's lots of anecdotal evidence of negatives living with positives for years without getting regular vaccinations never getting sick. remember, again, that cats who test negative CAN, indeed, retest positive later on--doesn't mean they were negative at all, just that they were tested before the viral exposure was registering on the test. there are no cases of TRULY positive cats (tested twice, with the second test long enough after the first to remove the possibility of a reaction to exposure.) it's horrible when it happens, but it happens very infrequently. there is absolutely no research that i've seen that says that vaccinating a positive stresses its immune system out, because until the virus is activated, FeLVs are not frail, compromised creatures walking around with smelling salts and hankies. in fact, there is anecdotal evidence from members of this list that vaccinating positives STRENGTHENS their immune response, as evidenced by their seeming to have much longer life spans than positives who are not vaccinated we just have to convince some researchers to follow up on that, and good luck with that. MC -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Testing
Hey all, just testing the system since there hasn't been any posts for a few days. Hope everyone is doing well. Best wishes James G. Wilson - phaed...@charter.net http://www.felineleukemia.org (FeLV Research Support) http://www.facebook.com/crambone http://weather62025.com (Weather for Edwardsville, IL) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Testing
This just posted for me. Sally On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 11:11 AM, James G Wilson phaed...@charter.netwrote: Hey all, just testing the system since there hasn't been any posts for a few days. Hope everyone is doing well. Best wishes James G. Wilson - phaed...@charter.net http://www.felineleukemia.org (FeLV Research Support) http://www.facebook.com/crambone http://weather62025.com (Weather for Edwardsville, IL) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Sally(me), Eric (not a cat),Junior(angel), Tiny(angel) Fluffy(soul mate angel), Lionel(angel),Speedy, Grey and White, Ittle Bitty, Little Black(MIA), Lily, Daisy, Pewter, Junior Junior, Hotdog (newest) Silver, and Spike ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccine
We always give the initial series of FELV vaccinations to all cats we adopt out. MC is right, as usual. My old vet said he had NEVER seen a case of sarcoma he felt was caused by a vaccine, but he had seen plenty of cats with FELV. On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 5:23 AM, MaryChristine twelvehousec...@gmail.comwrote: the injection-site sarcoma issue has largely been eliminated by the removal of the adjuvent, the change in placement of the vaccine, and the advent of safer inoculations, and non-injecting manners of delivery. if you're NEVER going to bring another cat into your house, EVER, then i'd say, don't vaccinate. but if you are, i'd do the full initial series--which, personally, i think is effective for life, too, tho research hasn't been done to confim this. even with that research, that's how vaccines SHOULD work in all species, plus there's lots of anecdotal evidence of negatives living with positives for years without getting regular vaccinations never getting sick. remember, again, that cats who test negative CAN, indeed, retest positive later on--doesn't mean they were negative at all, just that they were tested before the viral exposure was registering on the test. there are no cases of TRULY positive cats (tested twice, with the second test long enough after the first to remove the possibility of a reaction to exposure.) it's horrible when it happens, but it happens very infrequently. there is absolutely no research that i've seen that says that vaccinating a positive stresses its immune system out, because until the virus is activated, FeLVs are not frail, compromised creatures walking around with smelling salts and hankies. in fact, there is anecdotal evidence from members of this list that vaccinating positives STRENGTHENS their immune response, as evidenced by their seeming to have much longer life spans than positives who are not vaccinated we just have to convince some researchers to follow up on that, and good luck with that. MC -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org ) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Help us spay some kitties! http://rescuties.chipin.com/feed-hungry-animals Rather than helping, it's easier to point fingers and say take them first as long as you leave me alone. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Testing
gotcha We who choose to surround ourselves with lives more temporary than our own, Live within a fragile circle,easily and often breached. Unable to accept its awful gaps. We still would have it no other way --- On Tue, 4/6/10, James G Wilson phaed...@charter.net wrote: From: James G Wilson phaed...@charter.net Subject: [Felvtalk] Testing To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Tuesday, April 6, 2010, 11:11 AM Hey all, just testing the system since there hasn't been any posts for a few days. Hope everyone is doing well. Best wishes James G. Wilson - phaed...@charter.net http://www.felineleukemia.org (FeLV Research Support) http://www.facebook.com/crambone http://weather62025.com (Weather for Edwardsville, IL) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 22, Issue 5
Get a hold of Casa De Los Gatos. Great group. I sponsor a FIV Tuxedo kitty named Turbo Girl. Beth Montes has pu heart and soul into it. They are in Tuscon, AZ. go to casadelosgatos.org Nancy - Original Message - From: felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 12:00 PM Subject: Felvtalk Digest, Vol 22, Issue 5 Send Felvtalk mailing list submissions to felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org You can reach the person managing the list at felvtalk-ow...@felineleukemia.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of Felvtalk digest... Today's Topics: 1. Phoenix/Tempe? (Gloria B. Lane) -- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2010 12:17:44 -0500 From: Gloria B. Lane gbl...@aristotle.net Subject: [Felvtalk] Phoenix/Tempe? To: Feline Leukemia felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Message-ID: 6246-794c-451f-bef3-184375e55...@aristotle.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Still looking know of any people to help or reputable rescues in the Phoenix/Tempe area? Gloria Begin forwarded message: From: Gloria B. Lane gbl...@aristotle.net Date: March 29, 2010 4:12:23 PM CDT To: Feline Leukemia felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] off topic: need a temp stay and ride from Phoenix/Tempearea Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Anybody in the Phoenix-Tempe , AZ, area? Someone who adopted from us (Feline Rescue and Rehome, Teamfurr.org) has financial problems, wants to give up his two cats. He adopted one from us, but they're buddies. Looking for temporary housing and a ride back to Little Rock, Arkansas! Thanks! Gloria ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org End of Felvtalk Digest, Vol 22, Issue 5 *** ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] 2nd opinion
last sunday (yes sunday, easter sunday-they are open 7 days a week with no extra charges on the weekend) to a vet. i think i mentioned them, they seem pretty knowledgeble with treating frlv from what i had seen on their web page. anyway, the vet didn't seem to think my cat was positive due to the fact he was indoors 24/7 and an adult and because he looked healthy. she said at most he might just be a carrier but wanted to retest him. she gave him an injection for his vomiting (which she says may have been caused by the baytil which he had just finished a 2 week course of it) and put him on pepsin for a week.anyway, she called with sports results of the ifa test. this certainly has been an experience, one i could have very well done without. but it is said there is a reason for everything. maybe what i have learned will come in handy in the future. i don't know.perhaps i should get a third opinion but i'm stopping with the second one. the vet said the results came back negative. needless to say, i cried tears of joy. if the first vet actually ran an ifa like he said he did and actually did get a positive, then sport has beaten the odds of .3% my heart goes out to the rest of you. i can only hope that the future will bring a cure for this disease. it is nothing a cat or cat owner should have to endure. ;p33309544 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] 2nd opinion
I am happy for you my friend. The IFA test is much more reliable than the snap test. I am still working on that email. I have fallen way behind in my interpersonal correspondence. On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 11:29 PM, Twisted Princess twistedprinces...@yahoo.com wrote: last sunday (yes sunday, easter sunday-they are open 7 days a week with no extra charges on the weekend) to a vet. i think i mentioned them, they seem pretty knowledgeble with treating frlv from what i had seen on their web page. anyway, the vet didn't seem to think my cat was positive due to the fact he was indoors 24/7 and an adult and because he looked healthy. she said at most he might just be a carrier but wanted to retest him. she gave him an injection for his vomiting (which she says may have been caused by the baytil which he had just finished a 2 week course of it) and put him on pepsin for a week.anyway, she called with sports results of the ifa test. this certainly has been an experience, one i could have very well done without. but it is said there is a reason for everything. maybe what i have learned will come in handy in the future. i don't know.perhaps i should get a third opinion but i'm stopping with the second one. the vet said the results came back negative. needless to say, i cried tears of joy. if the first vet actually ran an ifa like he said he did and actually did get a positive, then sport has beaten the odds of .3% my heart goes out to the rest of you. i can only hope that the future will bring a cure for this disease. it is nothing a cat or cat owner should have to endure. ;p33309544 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Help us spay some kitties! http://rescuties.chipin.com/feed-hungry-animals Rather than helping, it's easier to point fingers and say take them first as long as you leave me alone. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] day 9 of baytril
Last report I read on it said all the reported incidents of blindness were at dosages in excess of the recommended dosage. Last hard drive crash took a bunch of my saved reports, but I will try to locate that one. Gary -- From: MaryChristine twelvehousec...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 5:26 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] day 9 of baytril from what i know, the problems with baytril and blindness generally has involved young kittens. baytril is a great drug for certain things, and in some cases i know of people who've made the decision to take the risk blind is a whole lot better than dead, after all. ask anyone. MC ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
