Re: [Finale] For playback purposes only
Yes, thanks! Harold On Nov 4, 2016, at 9:52, timothy price <timothy.pr...@valley.net> wrote: > If you make a tempo change of as little as one beat per minute, you can > control the measure exactly by linking the tempo to each note. Very precise. > Am pretty sure you can do as David suggests and make the tempo making > invisible. > > tim > > > > On Nov 4, 2016, at 7:45 AM, Haroldo Mauro wrote: > >> It shouldn’t sound as a tempo change at all and it is not intended for the >> musicians/conductor to follow any indication, therefore I don’t want any >> markings in the score. It’s for Finale "playback purposes only”. Thanks >> anyway. >> >> >> On Nov 4, 2016, at 9:20, timothy price <timothy.pr...@valley.net> wrote: >> >>> Have asked that question myself and realized that having the tempo change >>> visible in the score is helpful, if you hope to hear it performed that way. >>> Conductors take liberties, as they might, but at least they would have a >>> clear indication of YOUR intent first. Like with jazz, it is best to know >>> how to play >>> the original before you try to interpret a tune. >>> >>> >>> tim > > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > > To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: > finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
[Finale] For playback purposes only
I would use the Tempo Tap feature for this. David Wolfson davidwolfsonmusic.net > On Nov 4, 2016, at 1:00 PM,> wrote: > > Finale Mac (Marvericks) 2014.d > I often use the Tempo Tool to slow down just one part of a measure, when I > feel that keeping a straight pulse sounds unnatural. For example, when the > whole orchestra stops for a rest on a last beat and resumes playing on the > following measure. It might sound rushed sometimes, even though the pulse is > kept. Then, say the metronome is 88, I change it to 75 just for that last > beat with the Tempo Tool, and back to 88 on he next beat. It makes me happy > and leaves no markings in the score. Now how would I do that one beat > slow-down without the Tempo Tool, in Finale 25? Thanks! > > Harold ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] For playback purposes only
Just playing devil's advocate, I can think of some reasons. 1. The U.I. sucked. It was basically unusable. Personally, I only used the feature by means of JW Tempo. And now with Human Playback I don't even use it that way. Meanwhile, they would have had to either spend resources updating a crappy U.I. for 64-bit (a non-trivial task on Mac) or completely redesign the U.I. for 64-bit. 2. But their usage reports told them hardly anyone uses the feature, which called into question the value of spending any resources on it. (Resources which are extremely limited.) They apparently opted for pissing off the small number of users who use it. (Or at least the apparently small number of users who use it.) 3. The reason it still works is that it would cost a lot of time to remove and debug the removal of the feature from the engine. So they left it in. Over time it may quit working for other reasons, but I doubt they'll ever intentionally remove it. They've just stopped supporting it. I would really like to know if the JW Tempo features were ever subsumed into one of his later plugins. I never discovered it if so. A 64-bit version of JW Tempo would solve this problem. On Fri, Nov 4, 2016 at 10:11 AM, David H. Bailey < dhbai...@davidbaileymusicstudio.com> wrote: > On 11/4/2016 9:29 AM, Robert Patterson wrote: > > You can open your file in Fin 2014, enter the tempo tool changes, and > then > > reopen it in Fin25. Fin25 will still play back the tempo tool. The only > > level that was removed appears to have been the U.I. > > > [snip] > > Which seems really stupid to me -- what other piece of software requires > the user to keep a previous version installed simply to use one tool > which actually works in the new version but for which the developers > decided to eliminate the user interface? > > If the functionality is there and if the user interface worked just fine > in previous versions and they haven't done a "from the ground up total > rewrite of all the code" upgrade, there's no reason not continue to > allow the user access through the same user interface which has worked > for many versions. > > And they're probably scratching their heads wondering why so few people > are upgrading to Finale25 . . . > > > -- > David H. Bailey > dhbai...@davidbaileymusicstudio.com > http://www.davidbaileymusicstudio.com > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > > To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: > finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu > ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] For playback purposes only
On 11/4/2016 9:29 AM, Robert Patterson wrote: > You can open your file in Fin 2014, enter the tempo tool changes, and then > reopen it in Fin25. Fin25 will still play back the tempo tool. The only > level that was removed appears to have been the U.I. > [snip] Which seems really stupid to me -- what other piece of software requires the user to keep a previous version installed simply to use one tool which actually works in the new version but for which the developers decided to eliminate the user interface? If the functionality is there and if the user interface worked just fine in previous versions and they haven't done a "from the ground up total rewrite of all the code" upgrade, there's no reason not continue to allow the user access through the same user interface which has worked for many versions. And they're probably scratching their heads wondering why so few people are upgrading to Finale25 . . . -- David H. Bailey dhbai...@davidbaileymusicstudio.com http://www.davidbaileymusicstudio.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] For playback purposes only
You can open your file in Fin 2014, enter the tempo tool changes, and then reopen it in Fin25. Fin25 will still play back the tempo tool. The only level that was removed appears to have been the U.I. Years ago, Jari Williamsson offered a plugin to do easy Tempo Tool changes called JW Tempo. It still works in Fin2014, but I can't find a recent download link for it. Nor can I find a newer plugin that incorporates the same functions. It seems like a 64-bit version of it might have a lot of utility. Does anyone know if one of his more recent plugins incorporates JW Tempo? On Fri, Nov 4, 2016 at 4:21 AM, Haroldo Maurowrote: > Finale Mac (Marvericks) 2014.d > I often use the Tempo Tool to slow down just one part of a measure, when I > feel that keeping a straight pulse sounds unnatural. For example, when the > whole orchestra stops for a rest on a last beat and resumes playing on the > following measure. It might sound rushed sometimes, even though the pulse > is kept. Then, say the metronome is 88, I change it to 75 just for that > last beat with the Tempo Tool, and back to 88 on he next beat. It makes me > happy and leaves no markings in the score. Now how would I do that one beat > slow-down without the Tempo Tool, in Finale 25? Thanks! > > Harold > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > > To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: > finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu > ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] For playback purposes only
If you make a tempo change of as little as one beat per minute, you can control the measure exactly by linking the tempo to each note. Very precise. Am pretty sure you can do as David suggests and make the tempo making invisible. tim On Nov 4, 2016, at 7:45 AM, Haroldo Mauro wrote: > It shouldn’t sound as a tempo change at all and it is not intended for the > musicians/conductor to follow any indication, therefore I don’t want any > markings in the score. It’s for Finale "playback purposes only”. Thanks > anyway. > > > On Nov 4, 2016, at 9:20, timothy price <timothy.pr...@valley.net> wrote: > >> Have asked that question myself and realized that having the tempo change >> visible in the score is helpful, if you hope to hear it performed that way. >> Conductors take liberties, as they might, but at least they would have a >> clear indication of YOUR intent first. Like with jazz, it is best to know >> how to play >> the original before you try to interpret a tune. >> >> >> tim ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] For playback purposes only
On Nov 4, 2016, at 7:38, David H. Baileywrote: > On 11/4/2016 5:21 AM, Haroldo Mauro wrote: >> Finale Mac (Marvericks) 2014.d I often use the Tempo Tool to slow >> down just one part of a measure, when I feel that keeping a straight >> pulse sounds unnatural. For example, when the whole orchestra stops >> for a rest on a last beat and resumes playing on the following >> measure. It might sound rushed sometimes, even though the pulse is >> kept. Then, say the metronome is 88, I change it to 75 just for that >> last beat with the Tempo Tool, and back to 88 on he next beat. It >> makes me happy and leaves no markings in the score. Now how would I >> do that one beat slow-down without the Tempo Tool, in Finale 25? > > Good question -- my guess (I don't have Finale25) is that you could > define two non-printing expressions which affect tempo, place one on > that last beat you want the extra time on, defined for 75 (in your > example), then place one on the next beat to return the tempo to 88 (in > your example). > > A bit more kludgy than using the tempo tool, but still possible. > > It does leave me scratching my head as to why they would remove a tool > which seemed to be working just fine. Especially since there have been > no reports here from Finale25 users telling us that long-standing bugs > have been fixed. I guess it's easier to take things out than to > actually fix things which are broken. > > Oh well. > -- > David H. Bailey > dhbai...@davidbaileymusicstudio.com > http://www.davidbaileymusicstudio.com > ___ Thanks. I too, don’t have Finale 25. I just read about this issue with the Tempo Tool and was fustrated with its doing away with. Another option, I read about, is to open the score with Finale 2014, use the tempo tool, save, then go back to Finale 25! Nuisance!! Harold Harold ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] For playback purposes only
It shouldn’t sound as a tempo change at all and it is not intended for the musicians/conductor to follow any indication, therefore I don’t want any markings in the score. It’s for Finale "playback purposes only”. Thanks anyway. On Nov 4, 2016, at 9:20, timothy price <timothy.pr...@valley.net> wrote: > Have asked that question myself and realized that having the tempo change > visible in the score is helpful, if you hope to hear it performed that way. > Conductors take liberties, as they might, but at least they would have a > clear indication of YOUR intent first. Like with jazz, it is best to know > how to play > the original before you try to interpret a tune. > > > tim > > > > > On Nov 4, 2016, at 5:21 AM, Haroldo Mauro wrote: > >> Finale Mac (Marvericks) 2014.d >> I often use the Tempo Tool to slow down just one part of a measure, when I >> feel that keeping a straight pulse sounds unnatural. For example, when the >> whole orchestra stops for a rest on a last beat and resumes playing on the >> following measure. It might sound rushed sometimes, even though the pulse is >> kept. Then, say the metronome is 88, I change it to 75 just for that last >> beat with the Tempo Tool, and back to 88 on he next beat. It makes me happy >> and leaves no markings in the score. Now how would I do that one beat >> slow-down without the Tempo Tool, in Finale 25? Thanks! >> >> Harold >> ___ >> Finale mailing list >> Finale@shsu.edu >> https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale >> >> To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: >> finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu > > > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > > To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: > finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] For playback purposes only
Have asked that question myself and realized that having the tempo change visible in the score is helpful, if you hope to hear it performed that way. Conductors take liberties, as they might, but at least they would have a clear indication of YOUR intent first. Like with jazz, it is best to know how to play the original before you try to interpret a tune. tim On Nov 4, 2016, at 5:21 AM, Haroldo Mauro wrote: > Finale Mac (Marvericks) 2014.d > I often use the Tempo Tool to slow down just one part of a measure, when I > feel that keeping a straight pulse sounds unnatural. For example, when the > whole orchestra stops for a rest on a last beat and resumes playing on the > following measure. It might sound rushed sometimes, even though the pulse is > kept. Then, say the metronome is 88, I change it to 75 just for that last > beat with the Tempo Tool, and back to 88 on he next beat. It makes me happy > and leaves no markings in the score. Now how would I do that one beat > slow-down without the Tempo Tool, in Finale 25? Thanks! > > Harold > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > > To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: > finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] For playback purposes only
On 11/4/2016 5:21 AM, Haroldo Mauro wrote: > Finale Mac (Marvericks) 2014.d I often use the Tempo Tool to slow > down just one part of a measure, when I feel that keeping a straight > pulse sounds unnatural. For example, when the whole orchestra stops > for a rest on a last beat and resumes playing on the following > measure. It might sound rushed sometimes, even though the pulse is > kept. Then, say the metronome is 88, I change it to 75 just for that > last beat with the Tempo Tool, and back to 88 on he next beat. It > makes me happy and leaves no markings in the score. Now how would I > do that one beat slow-down without the Tempo Tool, in Finale 25? Good question -- my guess (I don't have Finale25) is that you could define two non-printing expressions which affect tempo, place one on that last beat you want the extra time on, defined for 75 (in your example), then place one on the next beat to return the tempo to 88 (in your example). A bit more kludgy than using the tempo tool, but still possible. It does leave me scratching my head as to why they would remove a tool which seemed to be working just fine. Especially since there have been no reports here from Finale25 users telling us that long-standing bugs have been fixed. I guess it's easier to take things out than to actually fix things which are broken. Oh well. -- David H. Bailey dhbai...@davidbaileymusicstudio.com http://www.davidbaileymusicstudio.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
[Finale] For playback purposes only
Finale Mac (Marvericks) 2014.d I often use the Tempo Tool to slow down just one part of a measure, when I feel that keeping a straight pulse sounds unnatural. For example, when the whole orchestra stops for a rest on a last beat and resumes playing on the following measure. It might sound rushed sometimes, even though the pulse is kept. Then, say the metronome is 88, I change it to 75 just for that last beat with the Tempo Tool, and back to 88 on he next beat. It makes me happy and leaves no markings in the score. Now how would I do that one beat slow-down without the Tempo Tool, in Finale 25? Thanks! Harold ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu