Re: Webb's aid arrested for CCW. Congressmen and Senators may be armed on Capitol Hill?

[Henry E Schaffer]

Autumn Rose Press quotes from the Drudge Report:
>  ... Thompson was booked for carrying a pistol without a license
>  (CPWL) and 

> for possessing unregistered ammunition.  ...
  ^^

  What is "registered ammunition"?  And how does one recognize it?
-- 
--henry schaffer
___
To post, send message to Firearmsregprof@lists.ucla.edu
To subscribe, unsubscribe, change options, or get password, see 
http://lists.ucla.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/firearmsregprof

Please note that messages sent to this large list cannot be viewed as private.  
Anyone can subscribe to the list and read messages that are posted; people can 
read the Web archives; and list members can (rightly or wrongly) forward the 
messages to others.

RE: Webb's aid arrested for CCW. Congressmen and Senators maybe armed on Capitol Hill?

[Joseph E. Olson]

Until the Clinton administration any Congressperson could get a "deputy US 
Marshal" letter for the asking.  I vaguely remember that being exposed in the 
press and they stopped issuing them.  That would indicate that there is no 
direct statutory authority.  But I'm not good enough at Westlaw to find a 
well-hidden grant of authority.
 
In any event it is special/"corrupt" treatment.

>>> "Volokh, Eugene" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 03/26/07 5:50 PM >>>
Sorry, but I just thought I'd clarify:  Are we sure that there
is no statutory exemption for Congressmen, or some permitting scheme that gives 
them licenses to carry?  Or is this just a general statement that any such 
scheme is in a sense "mildly corrupt"?

Eugene 
___
To post, send message to Firearmsregprof@lists.ucla.edu
To subscribe, unsubscribe, change options, or get password, see 
http://lists.ucla.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/firearmsregprof

Please note that messages sent to this large list cannot be viewed as private.  
Anyone can subscribe to the list and read messages that are posted; people can 
read the Web archives; and list members can (rightly or wrongly) forward the 
messages to others.

RE: Webb's aid arrested for CCW. Congressmen and Senators maybe armed on Capitol Hill?

[Volokh, Eugene]

Sorry, but I just thought I'd clarify:  Are we sure that there
is no statutory exemption for Congressmen, or some permitting scheme
that gives them licenses to carry?  Or is this just a general statement
that any such scheme is in a sense "mildly corrupt"?

Eugene 




From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joseph E.
Olson
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2007 3:44 PM
To: Autumn Rose Press; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ucla. Edu
Subject: Re: Webb's aid arrested for CCW. Congressmen and
Senators maybe armed on Capitol Hill?


They get away with it because the police brass let them.
It's a "mild" form of political corruption.  Which the
politicians enjoy.  Let's see if SENATOR Webb speaks out against it.
;-)

>>> "Autumn Rose Press" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 03/26/07 5:03
PM >>>

Is this accurate? Is there legislation that allows them to be
armed or do house and senate rules trump law? Pardon my ignorance of
these nuances.


___
To post, send message to Firearmsregprof@lists.ucla.edu
To subscribe, unsubscribe, change options, or get password, see 
http://lists.ucla.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/firearmsregprof

Please note that messages sent to this large list cannot be viewed as private.  
Anyone can subscribe to the list and read messages that are posted; people can 
read the Web archives; and list members can (rightly or wrongly) forward the 
messages to others.

Re: Webb's aid arrested for CCW. Congressmen and Senators may be armed on Capitol Hill?

[Joseph E. Olson]

They get away with it because the police brass let them.
It's a "mild" form of political corruption.  Which the politicians enjoy.  
Let's see if SENATOR Webb speaks out against it.  ;-)

>>> "Autumn Rose Press" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 03/26/07 5:03 PM >>>

Is this accurate? Is there legislation that allows them to be armed or do house 
and senate rules trump law? Pardon my ignorance of these nuances.
___
To post, send message to Firearmsregprof@lists.ucla.edu
To subscribe, unsubscribe, change options, or get password, see 
http://lists.ucla.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/firearmsregprof

Please note that messages sent to this large list cannot be viewed as private.  
Anyone can subscribe to the list and read messages that are posted; people can 
read the Web archives; and list members can (rightly or wrongly) forward the 
messages to others.

Webb's aid arrested for CCW. Congressmen and Senators may be armed on Capitol Hill?

[Autumn Rose Press]

Is this accurate? Is there legislation that allows them to be armed or do
house and senate rules trump law? Pardon my ignorance of these nuances.


SENATE STAFFER BUSTED FOR CARRYING WEBB'S LOADED GUN... Phillip 
Thompson, executive assistant to Senator James Webb (D-VA ), has been 
arrested by Capitol Hill Police on Monday for 'inadvertently' holding 
the senator's loaded gun, according to a person close to the 
investigation. A Senate staffer reports that Thompson was arrested for 
carrying the gun in a bag through security into a Senate office 
building while the Senator was parking his car. Thompson was booked for 
carrying a pistol without a license (CPWL) and for possessing 
unregistered ammunition. According to congressional rules, congressmen 
and senators, not staff, are allowed to have a gun on federal property. 
Developing...http://www.drudgereport.com/ 

___
To post, send message to Firearmsregprof@lists.ucla.edu
To subscribe, unsubscribe, change options, or get password, see 
http://lists.ucla.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/firearmsregprof

Please note that messages sent to this large list cannot be viewed as private.  
Anyone can subscribe to the list and read messages that are posted; people can 
read the Web archives; and list members can (rightly or wrongly) forward the 
messages to others.

RE: "To Serve and Protect"

[Joseph E. Olson]

You are correct.  
 
Defense of family leads to murder conviction.
See: http://reason.com/news/show/36869.html and 
http://www.theagitator.com/archives/cat_cory_maye.php 
 
or
 
Paramilitary raids as a threat to liberty
http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=6476  and 
http://www.theagitator.com/archives/cat_cory_maye.php 
 
>>> "Guy Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 3/26/2007 12:14 PM >>>
I have to imaging the burden of proof shifts dramatically when the person 
receiving a bullet is a cop and not a mugger with a record (this semantic 
distinction evaporates a bit in Chicago).
___
To post, send message to Firearmsregprof@lists.ucla.edu
To subscribe, unsubscribe, change options, or get password, see 
http://lists.ucla.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/firearmsregprof

Please note that messages sent to this large list cannot be viewed as private.  
Anyone can subscribe to the list and read messages that are posted; people can 
read the Web archives; and list members can (rightly or wrongly) forward the 
messages to others.

Re: "To Serve and Protect"

[C. D. Tavares]

On Mar 26, 2007, at 10:14 AM, Guy Smith wrote:

Related question:  What are known instances of civilians using  
firearms to
defend themselves against off-duty cop violence and how are these  
cases

typically adjudicated (if there is any "typical" possible)?  I have to
imaging the burden of proof shifts dramatically when the person  
receiving a
bullet is a cop and not a mugger with a record (this semantic  
distinction

evaporates a bit in Chicago).


I keep an archive of such incidents.

The answer is, the treatment is all over the map.  I assume it is  
heavily dependent on the evidence allowed at trial, the stories told,  
past records, jurisdiction, jury selection, and other biasing sources.


You can Google Corey Maye of Prentiss MI, and find dozens of articles  
about his case.  He shot at a home invader, who turned out to be a  
cop breaking in the wrong door on a midnight raid.  He was pretty  
clearly unfairly convicted because (choose any of the following) his  
"victim" was a cop; the cop was the chief's son; he was black and  
everybody else involved was white.


Brian Eggleston of Tacoma was convicted of a 1995 incident based on  
the judge's instructions to the jury, which ruled out a claim of self- 
defense.  The instructions caused an appeals court to overturn the  
conviction.


Some shooters are exonerated right out of the box.  Lewis S.  
Cauthorne (November 2002) shot FOUR plainclothes detectives in a no- 
knock in North Baltimore; Robert Howell of Prescott AZ in March,  
2003; Charles DiGristine of Titusville FL in 1989; and Mario Barca of  
Miami in October, 2003.


Many times, of course, the actor never makes it to trial: John Lekan  
of Brunswick OH (March, 1995); Manuel Ramirez of Stockton CA in  
January of 1993; Steven Douglas Dons (who mysteriously "hanged  
himself in his cell with a bedsheet" while heavily medicated and  
paralyzed from the waist down) had killed one officer and wounded two  
more during a no-knock in January of 1998;  and the recent case of 92- 
year-old Katherine Johnson of Atlanta, who shot three invading  
detectives this last November before being shot down herself.


Ob ConLaw:  another poster on this issue makes reference to the case  
of John Bab Elk v. U.S., 177 U.S..929 (1900):


"Where the officer is killed in the course of the disorder which  
naturally

accompanies an attempted arrest that is resisted, the law looks with
different eyes upon the transaction, when the officer had the right  
to make

an arrest, from what it does if the officer had no right. What might be
murder in the first case might be nothing more than manslaughter in the
other, or the facts might show that no offense had been committed.

"An arrest made with a defective warrant; or one issued without a  
affidavit;
or one that fails to allege a crime is without jurisdiction, and one  
who is
being arrested, may resist arrest and break away. If the arresting  
officer
is killed by the one who is so resisting, the killing will be no more  
than an

involuntary manslaughter."


--
   Escape the Rat Race for Peace, Quiet, and Miles of Desert Beauty
 Take a Sanity Break at The Bunkhouse at Liberty Haven Ranch
 http://libertyhavenranch.com


___
To post, send message to Firearmsregprof@lists.ucla.edu
To subscribe, unsubscribe, change options, or get password, see 
http://lists.ucla.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/firearmsregprof

Please note that messages sent to this large list cannot be viewed as private.  
Anyone can subscribe to the list and read messages that are posted; people can 
read the Web archives; and list members can (rightly or wrongly) forward the 
messages to others.

RE: "To Serve and Protect"

[Volokh, Eugene]

Folks:  Just a reminder that the focus of this list is the law
and policy of firearms regulation, discussed on a level helpful to
people doing academic research in the field.  General questions of
police misconduct are not, it seems to me, squarely on-topic (though I
realize that they're indirectly connected).
 
Eugene




From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Autumn Rose
Press
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2007 11:44 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ucla. Edu
Subject: FW: "To Serve and Protect"



 





From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joseph E.
Olson
Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2007 6:20 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ucla. Edu
Subject: Re: "To Serve and Protect"

 

No.  At my University sex with a student is a capital offense.  

 

I know of three instances over my career (all very well hidden
BTW) in which the person was fired and off campus for good within three
hours of discovery.  In another instance, the accused chose a faculty
board and prolonged the agony for a few weeks.  The incidence of this
sort of thing is much less than it was in the '70's.

 

 

Is your university the measure by which all others operate?
Sexual Predation still occurs, does it not? How could anyone but
Academics know who is doing it? Do they not close ranks, like Doctors do
when one kills a patient, or when Bar Associations slap a crooked layer
on the wrist in an ethics complaint? The inference that all academics
tolerate it and are therefore complicit still stands, does it not?

It's is no different than your rant against the PO-LEECE.  The
Chicago PD, famous for graft, corruption and brutality is not a good
yardstick by which to measure all 800,000 police officers in the USA.
Having grown up in Chicago, I have 1st person knowledge of that
department and their behavior on the street. You alleged things that you
could not and do not know about all police officers in the nation. That
is not accurate or fair, in my view. Your mention of IA officers being
exempt from your criticism indicates to me that you have little
knowledge of administrative and internal procedures as well as who is
selected to those positions.

Mind you, I'm not defending the Chicago PD or LE in general, but
the same broad brush you used is used to paint gun owners and 2A
organizations and defenders and I was surprised, no, blown away to see
it come from someone like you.

Joe Horn



>>> "Autumn Rose Press" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 03/25/07 7:41
PM >>>
Is that the same as i.e.,  A few academics let/cause/bully
students to trade sex for grades, and the academics that don't do that
but *do* know about the other few that do are just as perverted,
unethical and lo-life as the actual sexual predator academics? Just
thought I'd ask for clarification's sake..

___
To post, send message to Firearmsregprof@lists.ucla.edu
To subscribe, unsubscribe, change options, or get password, see 
http://lists.ucla.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/firearmsregprof

Please note that messages sent to this large list cannot be viewed as private.  
Anyone can subscribe to the list and read messages that are posted; people can 
read the Web archives; and list members can (rightly or wrongly) forward the 
messages to others.

FW: "To Serve and Protect"

[Autumn Rose Press]

 

  _  

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joseph E. Olson
Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2007 6:20 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ucla. Edu
Subject: Re: "To Serve and Protect"

 

No.  At my University sex with a student is a capital offense.  

 

I know of three instances over my career (all very well hidden BTW) in which
the person was fired and off campus for good within three hours of
discovery.  In another instance, the accused chose a faculty board and
prolonged the agony for a few weeks.  The incidence of this sort of thing is
much less than it was in the '70's.

 

 

Is your university the measure by which all others operate? Sexual Predation
still occurs, does it not? How could anyone but Academics know who is doing
it? Do they not close ranks, like Doctors do when one kills a patient, or
when Bar Associations slap a crooked layer on the wrist in an ethics
complaint? The inference that all academics tolerate it and are therefore
complicit still stands, does it not?

It's is no different than your rant against the PO-LEECE.  The Chicago PD,
famous for graft, corruption and brutality is not a good yardstick by which
to measure all 800,000 police officers in the USA. Having grown up in
Chicago, I have 1st person knowledge of that department and their behavior
on the street. You alleged things that you could not and do not know about
all police officers in the nation. That is not accurate or fair, in my view.
Your mention of IA officers being exempt from your criticism indicates to me
that you have little knowledge of administrative and internal procedures as
well as who is selected to those positions.

Mind you, I'm not defending the Chicago PD or LE in general, but the same
broad brush you used is used to paint gun owners and 2A organizations and
defenders and I was surprised, no, blown away to see it come from someone
like you.

Joe Horn



>>> "Autumn Rose Press" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 03/25/07 7:41 PM >>>
Is that the same as i.e.,  A few academics let/cause/bully students to trade
sex for grades, and the academics that don't do that but *do* know about the
other few that do are just as perverted, unethical and lo-life as the actual
sexual predator academics? Just thought I'd ask for clarification's sake..

___
To post, send message to Firearmsregprof@lists.ucla.edu
To subscribe, unsubscribe, change options, or get password, see 
http://lists.ucla.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/firearmsregprof

Please note that messages sent to this large list cannot be viewed as private.  
Anyone can subscribe to the list and read messages that are posted; people can 
read the Web archives; and list members can (rightly or wrongly) forward the 
messages to others.

RE: "To Serve and Protect"

[Guy Smith]

Related question:  What are known instances of civilians using firearms to
defend themselves against off-duty cop violence and how are these cases
typically adjudicated (if there is any "typical" possible)?  I have to
imaging the burden of proof shifts dramatically when the person receiving a
bullet is a cop and not a mugger with a record (this semantic distinction
evaporates a bit in Chicago).

Guy Smith

Author, Gun Facts

[EMAIL PROTECTED] 

  www.GunFacts.info 

 

  _  

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joseph E. Olson
Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2007 4:49 PM
To: List Firearms Reg
Subject: "To Serve and Protect"

 

http://www.myfoxchicago.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail?contentId=2725581

&version=3&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=VSTY&pageId=1.1.1

 

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-070325jefferson-story,1,3891028
.story?coll=chi-news-hed

 

 

Bad cops exist only because the "good" cops let them.

Quote:


I admire most of the LEO's I know. I have both family, and very close
friends who do "Serve and Protect" and they have both my gratitude and my
respect. They do it right. 

No. Actually they don't "do it right." 

Every, every department or agency (federal, state, or local) has one or more
of these "thugs in blue." The rest of them - ALL OF THE REST OF THEM - are
knowing accomplices in the cover ups that occur daily. It is no excuse that
"I personally don't beat suspects or other civilians or shake them down for
cash or drugs" if you participate in the great blue wall of silence. And
every one of them does. 

So long as any officer (which means every officer more than a week out of
the Academy) knows of criminal activity by other officers and doesn't "rat
them out," they are no better than the worst bad apple. Imagine selling your
soul for $19.95 per hour plus overtime.

If this is "cop bashing," it's a bashing that is well deserved. Deserved by
every police officer because all of them participate in the constant,
continuing cover-up (unless assigned to IAD, in which case I apologize).
It's the thousands of "see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil" cops that
bring the DISGUST OF THE PUBLIC upon the entire LEO profession because it
belongs on the entire LEO profession.

The CPD is just more forthright about using (abusing?) their special
"privileges" as LEO's. 

 

 

Professor Joseph Olson, J.D., LL.M. o-  651-523-2142  
Hamline University School of Law f-   651-523-2236
St. Paul, MN  55113-1235c-  612-865-7956
[EMAIL PROTECTED]   

___
To post, send message to Firearmsregprof@lists.ucla.edu
To subscribe, unsubscribe, change options, or get password, see 
http://lists.ucla.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/firearmsregprof

Please note that messages sent to this large list cannot be viewed as private.  
Anyone can subscribe to the list and read messages that are posted; people can 
read the Web archives; and list members can (rightly or wrongly) forward the 
messages to others.