Re: [flexcoders] Re: [Flex 2] Strange behaviour when using RSLs
bumpI think there are a few of us looking to dynamically link framework swf's (as rsl's) into our work. Any further info?Is the RSL/linker guy back? :)ThanksAngus On 29/09/06, Mike Morearty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't think this is necessary. I gave a pointer to how to recompile it because someone asked, but it is deliberate that we only ship a single swc: as I said, when you link that swc into your project, it strips out all the debug information. There is no performance or size hit on your swf. The Ant process is intended to be for people who really want to do some advanced stuff, like modify the flex framework, but for almost all users, it shouldn't be necessary. The one use case where you might be right -- and I'm kind of unclear on this -- is the case where you want to dynamically link to the swc at runtime. Does that make sense? The expert on all this stuff is out on vacation right now -- I probably shouldn't have injected myself into this so deeply, because I'm the debugger guy, not the RSL/linker guy; I don't know all the subtle details of RSLs. When the RSL/linker guy gets back, I'll ask him about this. --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, Anatole Tartakovsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mike, It might make sense to have separate folder in SDK with all the libraries compiled without debugging for size/performance reasons. Realistically, every production application would like to benefit from that and subjecting everybody to Ant process - especially given the additional libs like fds, rpc, etc that come without sources. Please let me know if I should file feature request or if it is already done. Sincerely, Anatole Tartakovsky On 9/28/06, Mike Morearty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are you changing them to be external, rather than statically linked into your app? Because if you're leaving them statically linked into your app (the default), then there is no need to recompile them with - debug=false; at link time, if linking the release swf, the linker will strip out all of the debug information. If you are changing them to be external, then... take a look at frameworks/build_framework.xml (an Ant script). I haven't tried it and don't know much about it. --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com flexcoders% 40yahoogroups.com, Anatole Tartakovsky anatole.tartakovsky@ wrote: Mike, Is there way to get standard libraries (framework, rpc, flex, etc) built with -debug=false Thank you, Anatole __._,_.___ -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com SPONSORED LINKS Software development tool Software development Software development services Home design software Software development company Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch to Fully Featured Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe __,_._,___
Re: [flexcoders] Re: [Flex 2] Strange behaviour when using RSLs
Thanks Mike. Second option seems the way to go for this project. (Using the standard framework as an rsl triggers the prompt for debugger location the guys mentioned earlier in the thread).CheersAngus On 10/10/06, Mike Morearty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for the reminder :-) Yes, the RSL/linker guy is back. There are several options: * Use the existing framework.swc as an RSL. * You can compile your main app with the -include-libraries command- line option, to entirely pull certain libraries into your main app. For example, if you don't want each swc to have its own statically linked copy of framework.swc, then then you can include all of it in your main app. Then, build all your other libraries with external linking to that library. * If you don't like that, I think you can rebuild framework.swc using the build_framework.xml Ant script that I mentioned earlier. (I haven't tried this.) I think you'll need to add -debug=false to the list of arguments passed to compc in that Ant script. I'm not sure about the other standard swcs. We'll consider publishing a tool to strip out the debug information from the swc, or ship two versions of it, or some other similar option. But for now, those are the options. Hope this helps. -Mike --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, Angus Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: bump I think there are a few of us looking to dynamically link framework swf's (as rsl's) into our work. Any further info? Is the RSL/linker guy back? :) Thanks Angus On 29/09/06, Mike Morearty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't think this is necessary. I gave a pointer to how to recompile it because someone asked, but it is deliberate that we only ship a single swc: as I said, when you link that swc into your project, it strips out all the debug information. There is no performance or size hit on your swf. The Ant process is intended to be for people who really want to do some advanced stuff, like modify the flex framework, but for almost all users, it shouldn't be necessary. The one use case where you might be right -- and I'm kind of unclear on this -- is the case where you want to dynamically link to the swc at runtime. Does that make sense? The expert on all this stuff is out on vacation right now -- I probably shouldn't have injected myself into this so deeply, because I'm the debugger guy, not the RSL/linker guy; I don't know all the subtle details of RSLs. When the RSL/linker guy gets back, I'll ask him about this. --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com flexcoders% 40yahoogroups.com, Anatole Tartakovsky anatole.tartakovsky@ wrote: Mike, It might make sense to have separate folder in SDK with all the libraries compiled without debugging for size/performance reasons. Realistically, every production application would like to benefit from that and subjecting everybody to Ant process - especially given the additional libs like fds, rpc, etc that come without sources. Please let me know if I should file feature request or if it is already done. Sincerely, Anatole Tartakovsky On 9/28/06, Mike Morearty mike.morearty@ wrote: Are you changing them to be external, rather than statically linked into your app? Because if you're leaving them statically linked into your app (the default), then there is no need to recompile them with - debug=false; at link time, if linking the release swf, the linker will strip out all of the debug information. If you are changing them to be external, then... take a look at frameworks/build_framework.xml (an Ant script). I haven't tried it and don't know much about it. --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com flexcoders% 40yahoogroups.comflexcoders% 40yahoogroups.com, Anatole Tartakovsky anatole.tartakovsky@ wrote: Mike, Is there way to get standard libraries (framework, rpc, flex, etc) built with -debug=false Thank you, Anatole __._,_.___ -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com SPONSORED LINKS Software development tool Software development Software development services Home design software Software development company Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily
Re: [flexcoders] Re: [Flex 2] Strange behaviour when using RSLs
Hi Mike,Maybe If I could set -debug=false for each RSL would avoid that problem?but, if so...how could I set that param for a RSL? I think I can only put that additional param for the main project. On 9/28/06, Mike Morearty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The problem is with the way the player and the debugger initiate their communication. Here's how it works when things are going well: 1. When you click Debug in Flex Builder, it starts listening on a TCP/IP socket, and it launches your browser. 2. When the Flash Player notices that the SWF was built with -debug, it tries to connect to the TCP/IP socket. 3. They are now connected, and debugging begins. But what happens if, in step 2, the Flash Player's attempt to connect to the TCP/IP socket fails? That is, what if no debugger is waiting for incoming connections? The answer is, the Flash Player puts up that message asking where the debugger is. That dialog was added long ago to support remote debugging in Flash Professional. In this case, unfortunately, the Flash Player isn't doing the right thing. When the RSL gets loaded, the player sees that it was compiled with -debug, so it tries to connect on the TCP/IP socket -- but since Flex Builder had no involvement in the loading of that RSL, Flex Builder didn't know to start listening on the socket. So the Flash Player can't find a debugger, so it puts up the dialog. For a future release, I hope to improve this so that you get a smoother workflow in scenarios such as the one you are describing. - Mike Morearty Flex Builder team http://www.morearty.com/blog --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, Carlos Rovira [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anatole, that's exactly my config :) But...don't you think that's strange? If I use debug button in FB2 I get it work in FF, but If I run application (not debug mode) I get that dialog. I don't understand why this happen when using RSLs and not when using an app without RSLs. Maybe I should compile RSLs with -debug=false but I think that's imposible in FB2 dialogs Maybe I'm wrong? Thanks for your response Anatole. C. On 9/27/06, Anatole Tartakovsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: looks like you are using debugging plugin in firefox and production release of player in IE Regards, Anatole On 9/27/06, Carlos Rovira [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I spend a few ours trying to find the cause of a weird behaviour. I was trying to use RSLs in a project and when I test it in my default browser (Firefox lastest version), a debug dialog comes. I found that launching the app in IE does not have this problem, so I asume that is a Firefox problem...someone knows how to avoid it? Thanks in advance. -- ::| Carlos Rovira ::| http://www.carlosrovira.com ::| http://www.madeinflex.com -- ::| Carlos Rovira ::| http://www.carlosrovira.com ::| http://www.madeinflex.com -- ::| Carlos Rovira::| http://www.carlosrovira.com::| http://www.madeinflex.com __._,_.___ -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com SPONSORED LINKS Software development tool Software development Software development services Home design software Software development company Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch to Fully Featured Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe __,_._,___
Re: [flexcoders] Re: [Flex 2] Strange behaviour when using RSLs
Thanks Mike. Is there a way to launch the debugger manually, from Flex Builder. For instance to wait for incoming requests from the player. I realize the command line debugger would likely work but the GUI would be much easier. Mike Morearty wrote: The problem is with the way the player and the debugger initiate their communication. Here's how it works when things are going well: 1. When you click Debug in Flex Builder, it starts listening on a TCP/IP socket, and it launches your browser. 2. When the Flash Player notices that the SWF was built with -debug, it tries to connect to the TCP/IP socket. 3. They are now connected, and debugging begins. But what happens if, in step 2, the Flash Player's attempt to connect to the TCP/IP socket fails? That is, what if no debugger is waiting for incoming connections? The answer is, the Flash Player puts up that message asking where the debugger is. That dialog was added long ago to support remote debugging in Flash Professional. In this case, unfortunately, the Flash Player isn't doing the right thing. When the RSL gets loaded, the player sees that it was compiled with -debug, so it tries to connect on the TCP/IP socket -- but since Flex Builder had no involvement in the loading of that RSL, Flex Builder didn't know to start listening on the socket. So the Flash Player can't find a debugger, so it puts up the dialog. For a future release, I hope to improve this so that you get a smoother workflow in scenarios such as the one you are describing. - Mike Morearty Flex Builder team http://www.morearty.com/blog --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, Carlos Rovira [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anatole, that's exactly my config :) But...don't you think that's strange? If I use debug button in FB2 I get it work in FF, but If I run application (not debug mode) I get that dialog. I don't understand why this happen when using RSLs and not when using an app without RSLs. Maybe I should compile RSLs with -debug=false but I think that's imposible in FB2 dialogs Maybe I'm wrong? Thanks for your response Anatole. C. On 9/27/06, Anatole Tartakovsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: looks like you are using debugging plugin in firefox and production release of player in IE Regards, Anatole On 9/27/06, Carlos Rovira [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I spend a few ours trying to find the cause of a weird behaviour. I was trying to use RSLs in a project and when I test it in my default browser (Firefox lastest version), a debug dialog comes. I found that launching the app in IE does not have this problem, so I asume that is a Firefox problem...someone knows how to avoid it? Thanks in advance. -- ::| Carlos Rovira ::| http://www.carlosrovira.com ::| http://www.madeinflex.com -- ::| Carlos Rovira ::| http://www.carlosrovira.com ::| http://www.madeinflex.com -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [flexcoders] Re: [Flex 2] Strange behaviour when using RSLs
Mike, Is there way to get standard libraries (framework, rpc, flex, etc) built with -debug=false Thank you, Anatole On 9/28/06, Mike Morearty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The problem is with the way the player and the debugger initiate their communication. Here's how it works when things are going well:1. When you click Debug in Flex Builder, it starts listening on a TCP/IP socket, and it launches your browser. 2. When the Flash Player notices that the SWF was built with -debug, it tries to connect to the TCP/IP socket.3. They are now connected, and debugging begins.But what happens if, in step 2, the Flash Player's attempt to connect to the TCP/IP socket fails? That is, what if no debugger is waiting for incoming connections? The answer is, the Flash Player puts up that message asking where the debugger is. That dialog was added long ago to support remote debugging in Flash Professional. In this case, unfortunately, the Flash Player isn't doing the right thing. When the RSL gets loaded, the player sees that it was compiled with -debug, so it tries to connect on the TCP/IP socket -- but since Flex Builder had no involvement in the loading of that RSL, Flex Builder didn't know to start listening on the socket. So the Flash Player can't find a debugger, so it puts up the dialog.For a future release, I hope to improve this so that you get a smoother workflow in scenarios such as the one you are describing. - Mike MoreartyFlex Builder teamhttp://www.morearty.com/blog--- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, Carlos Rovira [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anatole, that's exactly my config :) But...don't you think that's strange? If I use debug button in FB2 I get it work in FF, but If I run application (not debug mode) I get that dialog. I don't understand why this happen when using RSLs and not when using an app without RSLs. Maybe I should compile RSLs with -debug=false but I think that's imposible in FB2 dialogs Maybe I'm wrong? Thanks for your response Anatole. C. On 9/27/06, Anatole Tartakovsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: looks like you are using debugging plugin in firefox and production release of player in IE Regards, Anatole On 9/27/06, Carlos Rovira [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I spend a few ours trying to find the cause of a weird behaviour. I was trying to use RSLs in a project and when I test it in my default browser (Firefox lastest version), a debug dialog comes. I found that launching the app in IE does not have this problem, so I asume that is a Firefox problem...someone knows how to avoid it? Thanks in advance. -- ::| Carlos Rovira ::| http://www.carlosrovira.com ::| http://www.madeinflex.com -- ::| Carlos Rovira ::| http://www.carlosrovira.com ::| http://www.madeinflex.com __._,_.___ -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com SPONSORED LINKS Software development tool Software development Software development services Home design software Software development company Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch to Fully Featured Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe __,_._,___
Re: [flexcoders] Re: [Flex 2] Strange behaviour when using RSLs
Ok, As Anatole brings to the light, I want to use framework.swc and flex.swc as RSLs, but I can't compile it with -debug=false since I haven't the project that generates the SWC...maybe someone at adobe could give us the project templates so we can set up in our enviroment. could it be possible? On 9/28/06, Anatole Tartakovsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mike, Is there way to get standard libraries (framework, rpc, flex, etc) built with -debug=false Thank you, Anatole On 9/28/06, Mike Morearty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The problem is with the way the player and the debugger initiate their communication. Here's how it works when things are going well:1. When you click Debug in Flex Builder, it starts listening on a TCP/IP socket, and it launches your browser. 2. When the Flash Player notices that the SWF was built with -debug, it tries to connect to the TCP/IP socket.3. They are now connected, and debugging begins.But what happens if, in step 2, the Flash Player's attempt to connect to the TCP/IP socket fails? That is, what if no debugger is waiting for incoming connections? The answer is, the Flash Player puts up that message asking where the debugger is. That dialog was added long ago to support remote debugging in Flash Professional. In this case, unfortunately, the Flash Player isn't doing the right thing. When the RSL gets loaded, the player sees that it was compiled with -debug, so it tries to connect on the TCP/IP socket -- but since Flex Builder had no involvement in the loading of that RSL, Flex Builder didn't know to start listening on the socket. So the Flash Player can't find a debugger, so it puts up the dialog.For a future release, I hope to improve this so that you get a smoother workflow in scenarios such as the one you are describing. - Mike MoreartyFlex Builder teamhttp://www.morearty.com/blog--- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, Carlos Rovira [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anatole, that's exactly my config :) But...don't you think that's strange? If I use debug button in FB2 I get it work in FF, but If I run application (not debug mode) I get that dialog. I don't understand why this happen when using RSLs and not when using an app without RSLs. Maybe I should compile RSLs with -debug=false but I think that's imposible in FB2 dialogs Maybe I'm wrong? Thanks for your response Anatole. C. On 9/27/06, Anatole Tartakovsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: looks like you are using debugging plugin in firefox and production release of player in IE Regards, Anatole On 9/27/06, Carlos Rovira [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I spend a few ours trying to find the cause of a weird behaviour. I was trying to use RSLs in a project and when I test it in my default browser (Firefox lastest version), a debug dialog comes. I found that launching the app in IE does not have this problem, so I asume that is a Firefox problem...someone knows how to avoid it? Thanks in advance. -- ::| Carlos Rovira ::| http://www.carlosrovira.com ::| http://www.madeinflex.com -- ::| Carlos Rovira ::| http://www.carlosrovira.com ::| http://www.madeinflex.com -- ::| Carlos Rovira::| http://www.carlosrovira.com::| http://www.madeinflex.com __._,_.___ -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com SPONSORED LINKS Software development tool Software development Software development services Home design software Software development company Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch to Fully Featured Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe __,_._,___
Re: [flexcoders] Re: [Flex 2] Strange behaviour when using RSLs
Mike, It might make sense to have separatefolder in SDKwith all the libraries compiled without debugging for size/performance reasons. Realistically, every production application would like to benefit from that and subjecting everybody to Ant process - especially given the additional libs like fds, rpc, etc that come without sources. Please let me know if I should file feature request or if it is already done. Sincerely, Anatole Tartakovsky On 9/28/06, Mike Morearty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are you changing them to be external, rather than statically linked into your app? Because if you're leaving them statically linked into your app (the default), then there is no need to recompile them with - debug=false; at link time, if linking the release swf, the linker will strip out all of the debug information.If you are changing them to be external, then... take a look at frameworks/build_framework.xml (an Ant script). I haven't tried it and don't know much about it.--- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, Anatole Tartakovsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mike, Is there way to get standard libraries (framework, rpc, flex, etc) built with -debug=false Thank you, Anatole __._,_.___ -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com SPONSORED LINKS Software development tool Software development Software development services Home design software Software development company Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch to Fully Featured Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe __,_._,___
