Re: FrameMaker 12 released
I’m a TCS user, currently running TCS 3.5. I didn’t do the TCS 4.0 upgrade. The cost of upgrading from v3.5 to v5 is $1200! Count me out. I recently switched from Captivate to Camtasia because Adobe would have charged me full price to upgrade just that component of the Technical Communications Suite — as though I weren’t a registered Captivate user at all. Re: Creative Suite — I, too, have stopped upgrading with CS6 and so have my corporate clients. Not at all interested in the cloud model. I’ve been using Adobe products from the beginning: Photoshop 1, Illustrator 88. Still have those apps and the original slipcases (remember when software came in a nice slipcase — with a manual no less!). But Adobe now seems contemptuous of its users. It’s all about what works for them, users be damned. Very disappointing. -dr ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: FrameMaker 12 released
Around here, contract technical writers are making enough money per hour that the upgrade cost from to TCS 5 from TCS 3 or FM 10 would be less than 25 billable hours of work. (And some of these contractors are pretty limited in how much they know about the tools they are using or even how to be productive producing documentation.) Over a two year product cycle that works out to be 1.15% of their income, figuring full-time weeks over two years. Seems like a pretty good deal to me. For a guy like me, who spends about half his time working on-site for companies that provide me with Adobe tools they have licensed, it is important to have up-to-date knowledge of the tools even if the company I'm working for is using an older version. It certainly helps them if I can tell them that some task is made quicker and easier for the cost of an upgrade. I look forward to investigating Frame 12 (and the rest of Tech Suite 5) BTW: I agree that the online license validation Adobe has is a pain in the butt. On a recent trip to Mexico my Creative Suite 6 products wanted me, on startup, to agree to the 30 day trial period. The suite has been on the same laptop for a year and a half. What the hell triggered that? The change of location? Ridiculous! Craig ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: FrameMaker 12 released
FYI -- some misunderstandings have occurred because the website uses the word upgrade next to FM7: it is full product price, because there is no real upgrade from SW that was released 12 years ago. Adobe did have an aggressive discount to upgrade from FM7 to FM11 over a year ago. We promoted it with a multi-part blog series that included videos to show FM7 methods vs. FM11. It was advertised as your last chance to upgrade. Not trying to shake any trees. Just being realistic about the options available to any of us on any SW that we purchased more than 5 years ago. Maxwell Hoffmann | Product Evangelist | Adobe | p. 503.336.5952 | c. 503.805.3719 | mhoff...@adobe.com http://twitter.com/maxwellhoffmann - http://www.linkedin.com/in/maxwellhoffmann blogs.adobe.com/techcomm Upcoming webinars http://adobe.ly/Pbz6xIRecorded webinars: http://adobe.ly/Pbdp0J -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Robert Lauriston Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2014 11:11 AM To: Framers Subject: Re: FrameMaker 12 released If you buy a subscription and don't renew at the end of the year, the license is invalid and FrameMaker stops working. If you buy the $1000 full version or a $400 or $600 upgrade, the license is perpetual. The only thing that expires is the support agreement. I don't see why anyone would abandon FrameMaker just because the upgrades are a bad value. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as mhoff...@adobe.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/mhoffman%40adobe.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: FrameMaker 12 released
I don't understand your reasoning. I don't need upgrades to use FrameMaker. It has been going downhill from version 9 on. On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 5:50 PM, Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net) syed.hos...@aeris.net wrote: Yeah, I would love to continue to use FrameMaker, but $399 for upgrades is too high - the older upgrades at $199 were more easily justifiable. I will simply use FM 11 for maintaining my old documents (as Robert Lauriston as mentioned that I should do) and have already switched to LaTeX for all my new work. The price and upgrade costs of LaTeX - after a 2 month learning curve - are infinitely better for _my_ needs! :) ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: FrameMaker 12 released
Here, I used 2 years as a duration model. Although it would probably be longer and more expensive, since upgrades for FrameMaker don't seem to occur every year now. Else I would have gotten at least one - sigh - during my 2 years license upgrade contract that expired before FM 12 was released. Syed, Syed, FYI -- FrameMaker 12 is the third release to come out in approximately an 18 month cycle. For those who are regular users of FrameMaker and who are considering the subscription, take into account that you get a new full point release at no extra charge, and with no SW maintenance fees. Overall, for many people it does come out more economical. Maxwell Hoffmann | Product Evangelist | Adobe | p. 503.336.5952 | c. 503.805.3719 | mhoff...@adobe.com http://twitter.com/maxwellhoffmann - http://www.linkedin.com/in/maxwellhoffmann blogs.adobe.com/techcomm Upcoming webinars http://adobe.ly/Pbz6xIRecorded webinars: http://adobe.ly/Pbdp0J -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net) Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2014 4:22 PM To: Robert Lauriston; Framers Subject: RE: FrameMaker 12 released I don't plan to do the subscription model for FrameMaker 12 either. It does not make sense for me - even if I were continuing with FrameMaker. It only makes _some_ sense for new users of FrameMaker, or folks still on versions _prior_ to version 10, where the upgrade cost of $999 is the same as full price. For example, after two years, the cost (24 * $29.99 = $719.76) is _much_ higher than the cost of a single upgrade to FM 12 from FM 11. And, after three years, it would be more than the list price of a full license. Here, I used 2 years as a duration model. Although it would probably be longer and more expensive, since upgrades for FrameMaker don't seem to occur every year now. Else I would have gotten at least one - sigh - during my 2 years license upgrade contract that expired before FM 12 was released. Z ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as mhoff...@adobe.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/mhoffman%40adobe.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: FrameMaker 12 released
I don't understand why you would stop using it for new docs. Most of the software I've bought I've never upgraded. On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 6:05 PM, Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net) syed.hos...@aeris.net wrote: My comment was that at some time, I could simply stop upgrading and continue to use that last version (as you had mentioned in a post last year) rather than change all the older documents to a new tool. We simply chose to stop at different versions, I suppose ... for me, it is version 11, for you, an earlier version, I guess. Z I don't understand your reasoning. I don't need upgrades to use FrameMaker. It has been going downhill from version 9 on. On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 5:50 PM, Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net) syed.hos...@aeris.net wrote: Yeah, I would love to continue to use FrameMaker, but $399 for upgrades is too high - the older upgrades at $199 were more easily justifiable. I will simply use FM 11 for maintaining my old documents (as Robert Lauriston as mentioned that I should do) and have already switched to LaTeX for all my new work. The price and upgrade costs of LaTeX - after a 2 month learning curve - are infinitely better for _my_ needs! :) ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: FrameMaker 12 released
Maxwell Hoffman said: Here, I used 2 years as a duration model. Although it would probably be longer and more expensive, since upgrades for FrameMaker don't seem to occur every year now. Else I would have gotten at least one - sigh - during my 2 years license upgrade contract that expired before FM 12 was released. Syed, FYI -- FrameMaker 12 is the third release to come out in approximately an 18 month cycle. For those who are regular users of FrameMaker and who are considering the subscription, take into account that you get a new full point release at no extra charge, and with no SW maintenance fees. Overall, for many people it does come out more economical. Hmmm ... maybe for some people. For me, at least, the math does not work - but please do correct me if the calculations below are wrong! Using an 18 month model, the software subscription for FrameMaker is: 18 * 29.99, which is $539.82. An upgrade is $399 for that same upgrade in that 18 month period, right? And then the license is perpetual (at least until Adobe abandons this model in the future entirely), so that version keep working once somebody stops upgrading (not so in the subscription case when cancelled). And, for my single license case, since Adobe will not allow me to get the software upgrade license anyway, there is no extra SW maintenance fee anyway (although I would think that the volume license holders who are allowed to get the upgrade license maintenance, would not be paying the $399 fee to upgrade, so it is even lower than the subscription model fee for them). My intuition says that Adobe will only get _new_ FrameMaker sign-ups, and from some people who use versions _prior_ to 10 and do not want to pay the full $999 to upgrade, for the subscription model. So, to me, the cost for people currently on version 11 does not seem to be lower to switch - again, please correct me if my math is wrong here. Z -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net) Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2014 4:22 PM To: Robert Lauriston; Framers Subject: RE: FrameMaker 12 released I don't plan to do the subscription model for FrameMaker 12 either. It does not make sense for me - even if I were continuing with FrameMaker. It only makes _some_ sense for new users of FrameMaker, or folks still on versions _prior_ to version 10, where the upgrade cost of $999 is the same as full price. For example, after two years, the cost (24 * $29.99 = $719.76) is _much_ higher than the cost of a single upgrade to FM 12 from FM 11. And, after three years, it would be more than the list price of a full license. Here, I used 2 years as a duration model. Although it would probably be longer and more expensive, since upgrades for FrameMaker don't seem to occur every year now. Else I would have gotten at least one - sigh - during my 2 years license upgrade contract that expired before FM 12 was released. Z ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as mhoff...@adobe.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/mhoffman%40adobe.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: FrameMaker 12 released
Syed, I think your math is right on. I can't understand why anyone would pay more for a subscription that will render their software useless the moment they stop paying. If they fall on hard times, the perpetual license lets them at least keep working with their software as long as they can keep a compatible operating system on an old computer. If the issue is someone not being able to come up with the upgrade fee all at once, and a monthly payment sounds more attractive, then they should consider getting a short term bank loan (or put it on a credit card) and pay the bank an even smaller monthly payment to buy the perpetual license. And here's another thing, if a company thinks a monthly subscription is a better to budget, they might also want to think about the resale value of their company, should they ever want to sell it. A perpetual license is an asset that can be resold and adds value to a company. A subscription is future liability that reduces its value. If, as an individual, they ever want to stop using FrameMaker, they can resell their personal perpetual license and get some of their money back. Not so with a subscription. I used to buy every upgrade of Creative Suite until it switched to the Creative Cloud model. Now, CS6 is my last purchase in that line. I won't pay big money for software that turns off completely if I stop paying. I've also bought every FM upgrade since version 6, except for v10, which offered no features that I needed. I will be buying the FM 12 upgrade for sure. But I will be done buying if FM ever goes to the subscription-only model. Those of you buying subscriptions are making it more and more likely that the rest of us will lose the perpetual upgrade option in the near future. If you look at how hard Adobe is trying to get people to buy subscriptions, you will see that it is their desire to move FrameMaker to that model. Let's not let them take away our choices. Mike On 1/17/2014 9:22 AM, Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net) wrote: Using an 18 month model, the software subscription for FrameMaker is: 18 * 29.99, which is $539.82. An upgrade is $399 for that same upgrade in that 18 month period, right? And then the license is perpetual (at least until Adobe abandons this model in the future entirely), so that version keep working once somebody stops upgrading (not so in the subscription case when cancelled). ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: FrameMaker 12 released
After years with the same company, I'm just starting to re-invent myself as a contractor. So far no one has asked for work in FrameMaker. If they did, I'd have to consider my options. A thousand bucks is a big outlay. On the other hand, I'd probably want it for no more than a month or two, so locking in for a year doesn't look appealing either. And the point about having something that is mine and just keeps working is well-taken. So I would seriously consider an outright buy, high price notwithstanding, over a rental for a much longer term than I'd need, only to lose the investment. (Why rent when you can buy, right?) But given a choice, I'd just use other tools (OK, not Word). The book model of help delivery seems to be on the wane, and DITA is maturing nicely. . . On 2014-01-17 14:31, Mike Wickham wrote: Syed, I think your math is right on. I can't understand why anyone would pay more for a subscription that will render their software useless the moment they stop paying. If they fall on hard times, the perpetual license lets them at least keep working with their software as long as they can keep a compatible operating system on an old computer. If the issue is someone not being able to come up with the upgrade fee all at once, and a monthly payment sounds more attractive, then they should consider getting a short term bank loan (or put it on a credit card) and pay the bank an even smaller monthly payment to buy the perpetual license. And here's another thing, if a company thinks a monthly subscription is a better to budget, they might also want to think about the resale value of their company, should they ever want to sell it. A perpetual license is an asset that can be resold and adds value to a company. A subscription is future liability that reduces its value. If, as an individual, they ever want to stop using FrameMaker, they can resell their personal perpetual license and get some of their money back. Not so with a subscription. I used to buy every upgrade of Creative Suite until it switched to the Creative Cloud model. Now, CS6 is my last purchase in that line. I won't pay big money for software that turns off completely if I stop paying. I've also bought every FM upgrade since version 6, except for v10, which offered no features that I needed. I will be buying the FM 12 upgrade for sure. But I will be done buying if FM ever goes to the subscription-only model. Those of you buying subscriptions are making it more and more likely that the rest of us will lose the perpetual upgrade option in the near future. If you look at how hard Adobe is trying to get people to buy subscriptions, you will see that it is their desire to move FrameMaker to that model. Let's not let them take away our choices. Mike On 1/17/2014 9:22 AM, Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net) wrote: Using an 18 month model, the software subscription for FrameMaker is: 18 * 29.99, which is $539.82. An upgrade is $399 for that same upgrade in that 18 month period, right? And then the license is perpetual (at least until Adobe abandons this model in the future entirely), so that version keep working once somebody stops upgrading (not so in the subscription case when cancelled). ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as jow...@storm.ca. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/jowens%40storm.ca Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: FrameMaker 12 released
On 1/17/2014 1:31 PM, Mike Wickham wrote: I've also bought every FM upgrade since version 6, except for v10, which offered no features that I needed. I will be buying the FM 12 upgrade for sure. Oops... there was a typo in there. I am using FM 10. It was FM 11 that was the only version I skipped, due to lack of new features desirable to me. Mike Wickham ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: FrameMaker 12 released - activation via internet 'hack'
From my previous experience with Adobe's Activation via internet feature, you [the software purchaser] can try contacting Adobe Technical support tcs...@adobe.com If you supply all your personal and purchase details [software order number], you will then be directed to download a 'hack' from the Adobe licensing portal, which after installation will prevent the software from calling home. // Simon BUCH On 15/01/2014 19:30, Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net) wrote: Ah! Apparently, activation over the phone /may/ no longer be an option for FM 12 -- you have to have an Internet connection. Else you get to return your product purchase, I suppose. This is from the FM 12 FAQ: *I didn't know I needed to have an Internet connection when I purchased FrameMaker 12. Is there a way to activate without having an Internet connection?* http://www.adobe.com/products/framemaker/faq.html No. Activation of FrameMaker 12 is required via the Internet. Each machine with an application installed must connect to the Internet at least once within 30 days of the first launch of your serialized product to continue using the product. *I didn't know I needed to have an Internet connection when I purchased Adobe FrameMaker 12. What is the return policy?* http://www.adobe.com/products/framemaker/faq.html For details on Adobe return policies in your region, go to /http://kb2.adobe.com/cps/153/tn_15327.html/. Although, they do also say this in the FAQ about calling by an IT Administrator (my bolding below): *Can I choose not to activate Adobe FrameMaker 12?* http://www.adobe.com/products/framemaker/faq.html Activation of Adobe FrameMaker 12 is required via the Internet to continue use of the product. Activating your product helps protect your computer and your environment by ensuring that you are using a genuine Adobe product. Activating your product has other benefits. Visit the activation page [ /http://adobe.com/product/activation/ http://www.adobe.com/products/activation/] for more information. *The machine with FrameMaker 12 installed must connect to the Internet at least once within 30 days of the first launch of your serialized product or the product stops working. If you work in a company that has a firewall that prevents your system from connecting to the Internet, have your IT administrator contact Customer Service*. The phone numbers for Customer Service are available at www.adobe.com/support/contact http://www.adobe.com/support/contact. Of course, if the IT Administrator has to open a firewall -- even if temporarily -- rather than just calling to get activation done, I suspect it will not happen at /some/ sites. Z *From:*Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net) *Sent:* Wednesday, January 15, 2014 11:05 AM *To:* 'Scott Prentice'; framers@lists.frameusers.com *Subject:* RE: FrameMaker 12 released Correct. The cost is charged monthly -- with an annual commitment. After 30 days, if you cancel, you will be billed 50% of the remaining contract obligation. What I meant was that the software checks activation every 30 days ... presumably, without Internet access, you would have to call every month? Z *From:*framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] *On Behalf Of *Scott Prentice *Sent:* Wednesday, January 15, 2014 10:46 AM *To:* framers@lists.frameusers.com mailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com *Subject:* Re: FrameMaker 12 released Although the subscription is labeled monthly, it's really a yearly subscription. As far as I know you have to pay for an entire year .. that's just the monthly cost if you break it down that way. ...scott On 1/15/14 10:33 AM, Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net mailto:syed.hos...@aeris.net) wrote: Calling every 30 days for the subscription model version would get old pretty quick, though! J Z *From:*framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] *On Behalf Of *Jeff Coatsworth *Sent:* Wednesday, January 15, 2014 6:06 AM *To:* 'Framers' *Subject:* RE: FrameMaker 12 released Umm, activation via Internet can be circumvented by calling Adobe and getting an activation from them. I'm pretty sure you can access the same help material as PDF or AIRHelp on your local firewalled install (same as it's been for a while now). ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as simon.b...@m-ais.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/simon.buch%40m-ais.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info
RE: FrameMaker 12 released
Thanks for the information, Maxwell. I read through your blog info and have a question - although the answer may be academic for me (see paragraph below!) :) 1. What happens after the first year is complete? Is it a renewed every year for a year contract? 2. Does cancelling after the first year still incur a 50% payment for the remaining months of that second year? And, one more favor (from my current soapbox - sorry). Please send a message to anybody at Adobe (if any) who cares to listen: 1. The overly high upgrade pricing for FrameMaker has priced it out of the reach of some (many?) individuals and small businesses who cannot justify its high cost anymore. As a result I (a long-term user of FrameMaker, since 1988) am pretty much abandoning it for all my future work. Regards, Z From: Maxwell Hoffmann [mailto:mhoff...@adobe.com] Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2014 10:12 AM To: Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net); Simon BUCH; 'Framers' Subject: RE: FrameMaker 12 released I wanted to add some clarification to points raised in this discussion. [1] Regarding how people behind firewalls can deal with monthly ping on subscription, I got some solutions from an internal source at Adobe: In case a user has subscription, then they would need internet access and be online when they install and license the software and at least once every 30 days thereafter. However, Government or Defense customers would most likely be using Volume Licensing and hence, they could either use the offline activation mechanism (http://helpx.adobe.com/acrobat/kb/acrobat-offline-activation.html) for activating the product on a machine that does not has internet. Alternatively, they could also create a pre-activated deployment package for these products on a machine that has internet access and then deploy them on the offline machines. The second option I provided above is usually preferred in scenarios where the user has multiple machines. [2] Regarding the current upgrade costs and the 40% discount, and discontinuation of TCS month-to-month subscription, I just posted a blog that summarizes the issues and resources: Tech Comm Suite 5: Month-to-Month Subscription Discontinued, Only Annual Subscription Plan Available = http://adobe.ly/1fCaPTD I hope you find this helpful. Maxwell Hoffmann | Product Evangelist | Adobe | p. 503.336.5952 | c. 503.805.3719 | mhoff...@adobe.commailto:mhoff...@adobe.com http://twitter.com/maxwellhoffmann - http://www.linkedin.com/in/maxwellhoffmann blogs.adobe.com/techcomm Upcoming webinars http://adobe.ly/Pbz6xIRecorded webinars: http://adobe.ly/Pbdp0J From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.netmailto:syed.hos...@aeris.net) Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2014 11:02 AM To: Simon BUCH; 'Framers' Subject: RE: FrameMaker 12 released Simon Buch wrote: c. In Kapil VERMA's blog entry, there's a section about Licensing options: 'Furthermore, we are providing both perpetual and subscription licensing options on all our products. We do realize that the licensing needs of our customers vary and hence, we are offering both the options for you. There is also special upgrade pricing available as well as limited time promotional price for some customers. Please refer to the product homepages for exact pricing information (links below).' Really? To help summarize what I read ... as far as I can tell from the various pages (I am only showing the US costs). The promotional pricing is for the subscription model of TCS 5: 1. Subscription of TCS 5:$29.99 per month for the first year (at a discount of 40%) - goes up after 1 year. For licensees with both FM 9 and Robohelp 8 (as I read it), there is a promotion discount to the full license price for each product (separately, as I read it): 1. FM 12 $ 599 (at a discount of 40%) 2. Robohelp 11 $ 599 (at a discount of 40%) Presumably, each license cost above is separate(?) And, there is fine print that I am not sure how it would be applied: this promotion is only available to eligible commercial and volume licensing customers worldwide and eligible retain commercial customers who purchase directly from the Adobe.com Store. What is the definition of commercial in this context? Are free-lance writers who use FrameMaker and Robohelp not eligible? For the new subscription model of FM 12, there is no discount: 1. Subscription of FM 12: $29.99 per month. For perpetual license upgrades to FM, there is no discount: 1. From FM 11 to FM 12:$ 399 2. From FM 11 to TCS 5: $ 1199 3. From FM 10 to FM 12
RE: FrameMaker 12 released
So one of the enhancements for TCS5 is that it's cheaper because it no longer includes Illustrator. Genius! :-D (Of course, if you still need Illustrator, you'll now have to buy it separately, so it'll cost even more...) Ho hum Message: 2 Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2014 07:57:14 + From: Reng, Dr. Winfried wr...@tycoint.com To: framers@lists.frameusers.com framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: FrameMaker 12 released Message-ID: f0bb99a33bce0b4fbff4a6483fec6a800e96b...@003fch1mpn2-001.003f.mgd2.msft.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Hi, FrameMaker 12 is released now. There are many links with information. See below. Best regards Winfried --- http://blogs.adobe.com/techcomm/2014/01/framemaker-12-launch-blog.html http://blogs.adobe.com/techcomm/2014/01/technical-communication-suite-5-is-here.html http://blogs.adobe.com/techcomm/2014/01/product-o-pedia-2014.html What's new in FrameMaker 12: http://www.adobe.com/products/framemaker/features.html Refer to the version comparison chart to see how FM has evolved: wwwimages.adobe.com/www.adobe.com/content/dam/Adobe/en/products/framemaker/framemaker-12/PDFs/FRAMEMAKER12_VERSION_COMPARISION.PDF For answers to many questions on FM12, please see the FM12 FAQ http://www.adobe.com/products/framemaker/faq.html What's new inTechCommSuite 5: TCS 5 Features http://www.adobe.com/products/technicalcommunicationsuite/features.html Refer to the version comparison to see how the TCS has evolved: http://wwwimages.adobe.com/www.adobe.com/content/dam/Adobe/en/products/technicalcommunicationsuite/techcomsuite-5/pdf/TCS5_VERSION_COMPARISION.PDF Reviews: http://techwhirl.com/adobe-framemaker-12-first-look-review/ http://techwhirl.com/adobe-framemaker-xml-author-12-first-look-review/ *** Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail, including any associated or attached files, is intended solely for the individual or entity to which it is addressed. This e-mail is confidential and may well also be legally privileged. If you have received it in error, you are on notice of its status. Please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail and then delete this message from your system. Please do not copy it or use it for any purposes, or disclose its contents to any other person. This email comes from a division of the Invensys Group, owned by Invensys plc, which is a company registered in England and Wales with its registered office at 3rd Floor, 40 Grosvenor Place, London, SW1X 7AW (Registered number 166023). For a list of European legal entities within the Invensys Group, please select the Legal Entities link at invensys.com. You may contact Invensys plc on +44 (0)20 3155 1200 or e-mail recept...@invensys.com. This e-mail and any attachments thereto may be subject to the terms of any agreements between Invensys (and/or its subsidiaries and affiliates) and the recipient (and/or its subsidiaries and affiliates). ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: FrameMaker 12 released
If you buy a subscription and don't renew at the end of the year, the license is invalid and FrameMaker stops working. If you buy the $1000 full version or a $400 or $600 upgrade, the license is perpetual. The only thing that expires is the support agreement. I don't see why anyone would abandon FrameMaker just because the upgrades are a bad value. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: FrameMaker 12 released
It seems odd, considering that Word is pretty much the standard corporate word processor. As it is, I will probably keep using WebWorks ePublisher in place of Frame's native output because I can use it to seamlessly integrate Word and FrameMaker docs in a WebWorks project. Regards Keith From: Matt Sullivan [mailto:sullivanma...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2014 1:54 PM To: Keith Soltys Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: FrameMaker 12 released @Keith, I am not aware of additional Word import functionality, although in the past, filters have been updated to the latest Word versions at time of release. Improved Word import is not one of the themes of the release. -Matt Matt R. Sullivan co-author Publishing Fundamentals: Unstructured FrameMaker 11http://framemaker11book.com/ P: 714.798.7596 | C: 714.585.2335 | m...@mattrsullivan.commailto:m...@mattrsullivan.com @mattrsullivanhttp://twitter.com/mattrsullivan linkedInhttp://www.linkedin.com/in/mattrsullivan facebookhttp://www.facebook.com/mattrsullivan mattrsullivan.comhttp://mattrsullivan.com/ On Jan 15, 2014, at 6:35 AM, Keith Soltys keith.sol...@tmx.commailto:keith.sol...@tmx.com wrote: From a scan of their product pages and the few reviews out now, this looks like a compelling upgrade. I passed on FM 11 because most of the new features seemed oriented to structured authoring. This release has the number one item on my list of requested feature enhancements - regular expressions in search. That alone would be worth the upgrade to me. The improved conditional text pod, smart catalogs, and other GUI enhancements are also good. I would like to know if they've improved the MS Word import. I didn't see any mention of that anywhere. Regards NOTICE OF CONFIDENTIALITY This e-mail, including all materials contained in or attached to this e-mail, contains proprietary and confidential information solely for the internal use of the intended recipient. If you have received this email in error, please notify us immediately by return e-mail or otherwise and ensure that it is permanently deleted from your systems, and do not print, copy, distribute or read its contents. AVIS DE CONFIDENTIALIT? Le pr?sent courriel, y compris tous les documents qu'il contient ou qui y sont joints, renferme des renseignements exclusifs et confidentiels destin?s uniquement ? l'usage interne du destinataire pr?vu. Si vous avez re?u le pr?sent courriel par erreur, veuillez nous aviser imm?diatement, notamment par retour de courriel, et vous assurer qu'il est supprim? de fa?on permanente de vos syst?mes; veuillez ?galement vous abstenir d'imprimer, de copier, de distribuer ou de lire son contenu. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: FrameMaker 12 released
Robert Lauriston said: If you buy a subscription and don't renew at the end of the year, the license is invalid and FrameMaker stops working. If you buy the $1000 full version or a $400 or $600 upgrade, the license is perpetual. The only thing that expires is the support agreement. I don't see why anyone would abandon FrameMaker just because the upgrades are a bad value. I don't plan to do the subscription model for FrameMaker 12 either. It does not make sense for me - even if I were continuing with FrameMaker. It only makes _some_ sense for new users of FrameMaker, or folks still on versions _prior_ to version 10, where the upgrade cost of $999 is the same as full price. For example, after two years, the cost (24 * $29.99 = $719.76) is _much_ higher than the cost of a single upgrade to FM 12 from FM 11. And, after three years, it would be more than the list price of a full license. Here, I used 2 years as a duration model. Although it would probably be longer and more expensive, since upgrades for FrameMaker don't seem to occur every year now. Else I would have gotten at least one - sigh - during my 2 years license upgrade contract that expired before FM 12 was released. Z ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: FrameMaker 12 released
A correction (and apology to Adobe and you all) for an error below - thanks to Matt Sullivan for pointing it out! Actually, I _did_ get one FM update from the license upgrade program that was in force at the time. According to my expense report info, I paid for the 2 year Adobe license upgrade program in May of 2011 and then bought the version 10 upgrade in June 2011 since it was already released. I received the FM 11 license update probably in August of 2012 (not sure of the exact date) when it was released. In May of 2013, the 2 year upgrade program expired and I was not able to renew it last year (as mentioned in my posts prior to that time) since a single license use was no longer eligible for this program when I went to inquire about it. Also, as I have mentioned below but will re-iterate, that the upgrade or subscription pricing may make sense for some people, but it does not for _my_ specific needs anymore. Yeah, I would love to continue to use FrameMaker, but $399 for upgrades is too high - the older upgrades at $199 were more easily justifiable. I will simply use FM 11 for maintaining my old documents (as Robert Lauriston as mentioned that I should do) and have already switched to LaTeX for all my new work. The price and upgrade costs of LaTeX - after a 2 month learning curve - are infinitely better for _my_ needs! :) Z -Original Message- From: Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net) Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2014 4:22 PM To: 'Robert Lauriston'; Framers Subject: RE: FrameMaker 12 released Robert Lauriston said: If you buy a subscription and don't renew at the end of the year, the license is invalid and FrameMaker stops working. If you buy the $1000 full version or a $400 or $600 upgrade, the license is perpetual. The only thing that expires is the support agreement. I don't see why anyone would abandon FrameMaker just because the upgrades are a bad value. I don't plan to do the subscription model for FrameMaker 12 either. It does not make sense for me - even if I were continuing with FrameMaker. It only makes _some_ sense for new users of FrameMaker, or folks still on versions _prior_ to version 10, where the upgrade cost of $999 is the same as full price. For example, after two years, the cost (24 * $29.99 = $719.76) is _much_ higher than the cost of a single upgrade to FM 12 from FM 11. And, after three years, it would be more than the list price of a full license. Here, I used 2 years as a duration model. Although it would probably be longer and more expensive, since upgrades for FrameMaker don't seem to occur every year now. Else I would have gotten at least one - sigh - during my 2 years license upgrade contract that expired before FM 12 was released. Z ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: FrameMaker 12 released
My comment was that at some time, I could simply stop upgrading and continue to use that last version (as you had mentioned in a post last year) rather than change all the older documents to a new tool. We simply chose to stop at different versions, I suppose ... for me, it is version 11, for you, an earlier version, I guess. Z I don't understand your reasoning. I don't need upgrades to use FrameMaker. It has been going downhill from version 9 on. On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 5:50 PM, Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net) syed.hos...@aeris.net wrote: Yeah, I would love to continue to use FrameMaker, but $399 for upgrades is too high - the older upgrades at $199 were more easily justifiable. I will simply use FM 11 for maintaining my old documents (as Robert Lauriston as mentioned that I should do) and have already switched to LaTeX for all my new work. The price and upgrade costs of LaTeX - after a 2 month learning curve - are infinitely better for _my_ needs! :) ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: FrameMaker 12 released
I don't understand why you would stop using it for new docs. Most of the software I've bought I've never upgraded. I guess you and I have a different philosophy about these, I suppose. :) I prefer to stay up on software upgrades when I am using something extensively. The thinking is to get bug fixes, new features, better performance, etc. For example, an update changed a 32-bit version to a 64-bit version of the video editing software I use ... allowed me to edit longer videos in HD without fewer problems. Z ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: FrameMaker 12 released
I've taken a quick look at this new release. a. There's still no right-to-left language support. b. There's still the requirement for activation via internet, and the help pages reference material on web pages. This makes the product impractical for customers on military/corporate grade networks with no internet access. c. In Kapil VERMA's blog entry, there's a section about Licensing options: 'Furthermore, we are providing both perpetual and subscription licensing options on all our products. We do realize that the licensing needs of our customers vary and hence, we are offering both the options for you. There is also special upgrade pricing available as well as limited time promotional price for some customers. Please refer to the product homepages for exact pricing information (links below).' Really? ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: FrameMaker 12 released
Umm, activation via Internet can be circumvented by calling Adobe and getting an activation from them. I'm pretty sure you can access the same help material as PDF or AIRHelp on your local firewalled install (same as it's been for a while now). From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Simon BUCH Sent: January-15-14 5:39 AM To: 'Framers' Subject: Re: FrameMaker 12 released I've taken a quick look at this new release. a. There's still no right-to-left language support. b. There's still the requirement for activation via internet, and the help pages reference material on web pages. This makes the product impractical for customers on military/corporate grade networks with no internet access. c. In Kapil VERMA's blog entry, there's a section about Licensing options: 'Furthermore, we are providing both perpetual and subscription licensing options on all our products. We do realize that the licensing needs of our customers vary and hence, we are offering both the options for you. There is also special upgrade pricing available as well as limited time promotional price for some customers. Please refer to the product homepages for exact pricing information (links below).' Really? ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: FrameMaker 12 released
Thanks for the links, Winfried. Does anyone know if FM12 (and also FM11) come in 32-bit AND 64-bit versions, or are they both strictly 32 bits? I've only been able to find that FM9 was 32-bit only. Thanks, Lin On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 2:57 AM, Reng, Dr. Winfried wr...@tycoint.comwrote: Hi, FrameMaker 12 is released now. There are many links with information. See below. Best regards Winfried --- http://blogs.adobe.com/techcomm/2014/01/framemaker-12-launch-blog.html http://blogs.adobe.com/techcomm/2014/01/technical-communication-suite-5-is-here.html http://blogs.adobe.com/techcomm/2014/01/product-o-pedia-2014.html What's new in FrameMaker 12: http://www.adobe.com/products/framemaker/features.html Refer to the version comparison chart to see how FM has evolved: wwwimages.adobe.com/www.adobe.com/content/dam/Adobe/en/products/framemaker/framemaker-12/PDFs/FRAMEMAKER12_VERSION_COMPARISION.PDF For answers to many questions on FM12, please see the FM12 FAQ http://www.adobe.com/products/framemaker/faq.html What's new inTechCommSuite 5: TCS 5 Features http://www.adobe.com/products/technicalcommunicationsuite/features.html Refer to the version comparison to see how the TCS has evolved: http://wwwimages.adobe.com/www.adobe.com/content/dam/Adobe/en/products/technicalcommunicationsuite/techcomsuite-5/pdf/TCS5_VERSION_COMPARISION.PDF Reviews: http://techwhirl.com/adobe-framemaker-12-first-look-review/ http://techwhirl.com/adobe-framemaker-xml-author-12-first-look-review/ This e-mail contains privileged and confidential information intended for the use of the addressees named above. If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, you are hereby notified that you must not disseminate, copy or take any action in respect of any information contained in it. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately by e-mail and immediately destroy this e-mail and its attachments. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as ljsims...@gmail.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/ljsims.ml%40gmail.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. -- Lin Sims ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: FrameMaker 12 released
Just 32-bit I believe. I haven't seen separate installer options and when it installs it end up in the Program Files (x86) folder. ...scott On 1/15/14 9:56 AM, Lin Sims wrote: Thanks for the links, Winfried. Does anyone know if FM12 (and also FM11) come in 32-bit AND 64-bit versions, or are they both strictly 32 bits? I've only been able to find that FM9 was 32-bit only. Thanks, Lin On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 2:57 AM, Reng, Dr. Winfried wr...@tycoint.com mailto:wr...@tycoint.com wrote: Hi, FrameMaker 12 is released now. There are many links with information. See below. Best regards Winfried --- http://blogs.adobe.com/techcomm/2014/01/framemaker-12-launch-blog.html http://blogs.adobe.com/techcomm/2014/01/technical-communication-suite-5-is-here.html http://blogs.adobe.com/techcomm/2014/01/product-o-pedia-2014.html What's new in FrameMaker 12: http://www.adobe.com/products/framemaker/features.html Refer to the version comparison chart to see how FM has evolved: wwwimages.adobe.com/www.adobe.com/content/dam/Adobe/en/products/framemaker/framemaker-12/PDFs/FRAMEMAKER12_VERSION_COMPARISION.PDF http://wwwimages.adobe.com/www.adobe.com/content/dam/Adobe/en/products/framemaker/framemaker-12/PDFs/FRAMEMAKER12_VERSION_COMPARISION.PDF For answers to many questions on FM12, please see the FM12 FAQ http://www.adobe.com/products/framemaker/faq.html What's new inTechCommSuite 5: TCS 5 Features http://www.adobe.com/products/technicalcommunicationsuite/features.html Refer to the version comparison to see how the TCS has evolved: http://wwwimages.adobe.com/www.adobe.com/content/dam/Adobe/en/products/technicalcommunicationsuite/techcomsuite-5/pdf/TCS5_VERSION_COMPARISION.PDF Reviews: http://techwhirl.com/adobe-framemaker-12-first-look-review/ http://techwhirl.com/adobe-framemaker-xml-author-12-first-look-review/ This e-mail contains privileged and confidential information intended for the use of the addressees named above. If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, you are hereby notified that you must not disseminate, copy or take any action in respect of any information contained in it. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately by e-mail and immediately destroy this e-mail and its attachments. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as ljsims...@gmail.com mailto:ljsims...@gmail.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com mailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com mailto:framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/ljsims.ml%40gmail.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com mailto:listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. -- Lin Sims ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: FrameMaker 12 released
32-bit only. From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Lin Sims Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2014 12:56 PM To: Reng, Dr. Winfried Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: FrameMaker 12 released Thanks for the links, Winfried. Does anyone know if FM12 (and also FM11) come in 32-bit AND 64-bit versions, or are they both strictly 32 bits? I've only been able to find that FM9 was 32-bit only. Thanks, Lin On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 2:57 AM, Reng, Dr. Winfried wr...@tycoint.com wrote: Hi, FrameMaker 12 is released now. There are many links with information. See below. Best regards Winfried --- http://blogs.adobe.com/techcomm/2014/01/framemaker-12-launch-blog.html http://blogs.adobe.com/techcomm/2014/01/technical-communication-suite-5-is-h ere.html http://blogs.adobe.com/techcomm/2014/01/product-o-pedia-2014.html What's new in FrameMaker 12: http://www.adobe.com/products/framemaker/features.html Refer to the version comparison chart to see how FM has evolved: wwwimages.adobe.com/www.adobe.com/content/dam/Adobe/en/products/framemaker/f ramemaker-12/PDFs/FRAMEMAKER12_VERSION_COMPARISION.PDF For answers to many questions on FM12, please see the FM12 FAQ http://www.adobe.com/products/framemaker/faq.html What's new inTechCommSuite 5: TCS 5 Features http://www.adobe.com/products/technicalcommunicationsuite/features.html Refer to the version comparison to see how the TCS has evolved: http://wwwimages.adobe.com/www.adobe.com/content/dam/Adobe/en/products/techn icalcommunicationsuite/techcomsuite-5/pdf/TCS5_VERSION_COMPARISION.PDF Reviews: http://techwhirl.com/adobe-framemaker-12-first-look-review/ http://techwhirl.com/adobe-framemaker-xml-author-12-first-look-review/ This e-mail contains privileged and confidential information intended for the use of the addressees named above. If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, you are hereby notified that you must not disseminate, copy or take any action in respect of any information contained in it. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately by e-mail and immediately destroy this e-mail and its attachments. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as ljsims...@gmail.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/ljsims.ml%40gmail.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. -- Lin Sims ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: FrameMaker 12 released
Thanks for the links. Some links on the FAQ page for FM 12 are broken ... notably one that takes you to the subscription pricing (including a promotional pricing discount). Also, sorry to beat on this drum still, but the upgrade price of $399 from FrameMaker 11 is still too high to be justifiable (for *my* needs ... YMMV). Particularly after having spent many dollars on upgrading from version 9 to 10 to 11 for no real benefit for my needs - these should all have been treated as bug fixes. *And* my final two years of paying for license upgrades saw NO benefit at all, since there were no upgrades during that period (I paid for the FM 11 upgrade separately!) ... I kinda feel like I should receive FrameMaker 12 without any more upgrade payments, but I suspect this will not happen. BTW, the upgrade price from FM 10 is $599. And from earlier versions: $999 ... which is same as full cost, so not really an upgrade! Z -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Reng, Dr. Winfried Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2014 11:57 PM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: FrameMaker 12 released Hi, FrameMaker 12 is released now. There are many links with information. See below. Best regards Winfried --- http://blogs.adobe.com/techcomm/2014/01/framemaker-12-launch-blog.html http://blogs.adobe.com/techcomm/2014/01/technical-communication-suite-5-is-here.html http://blogs.adobe.com/techcomm/2014/01/product-o-pedia-2014.html What's new in FrameMaker 12: http://www.adobe.com/products/framemaker/features.html Refer to the version comparison chart to see how FM has evolved: wwwimages.adobe.com/www.adobe.com/content/dam/Adobe/en/products/framemaker/framemaker-12/PDFs/FRAMEMAKER12_VERSION_COMPARISION.PDF For answers to many questions on FM12, please see the FM12 FAQ http://www.adobe.com/products/framemaker/faq.html What's new inTechCommSuite 5: TCS 5 Features http://www.adobe.com/products/technicalcommunicationsuite/features.html Refer to the version comparison to see how the TCS has evolved: http://wwwimages.adobe.com/www.adobe.com/content/dam/Adobe/en/products/technicalcommunicationsuite/techcomsuite-5/pdf/TCS5_VERSION_COMPARISION.PDF Reviews: http://techwhirl.com/adobe-framemaker-12-first-look-review/ http://techwhirl.com/adobe-framemaker-xml-author-12-first-look-review/ This e-mail contains privileged and confidential information intended for the use of the addressees named above. If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, you are hereby notified that you must not disseminate, copy or take any action in respect of any information contained in it. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately by e-mail and immediately destroy this e-mail and its attachments. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as syed.hos...@aeris.net. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/syed.hosain%40aeris.net Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: FrameMaker 12 released
Calling every 30 days for the subscription model version would get old pretty quick, though! :) Z From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Coatsworth Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2014 6:06 AM To: 'Framers' Subject: RE: FrameMaker 12 released Umm, activation via Internet can be circumvented by calling Adobe and getting an activation from them. I'm pretty sure you can access the same help material as PDF or AIRHelp on your local firewalled install (same as it's been for a while now). ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: FrameMaker 12 released
Although the subscription is labeled monthly, it's really a yearly subscription. As far as I know you have to pay for an entire year .. that's just the monthly cost if you break it down that way. ...scott On 1/15/14 10:33 AM, Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net) wrote: Calling every 30 days for the subscription model version would get old pretty quick, though! J Z *From:*framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] *On Behalf Of *Jeff Coatsworth *Sent:* Wednesday, January 15, 2014 6:06 AM *To:* 'Framers' *Subject:* RE: FrameMaker 12 released Umm, activation via Internet can be circumvented by calling Adobe and getting an activation from them. I'm pretty sure you can access the same help material as PDF or AIRHelp on your local firewalled install (same as it's been for a while now). ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: FrameMaker 12 released
Pretty sure that the military-industrial complex doesn't deal with month-by-month subscriptions ;) From: Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net) [mailto:syed.hos...@aeris.net] Sent: January-15-14 1:34 PM To: Jeff Coatsworth; 'Framers' Subject: RE: FrameMaker 12 released Calling every 30 days for the subscription model version would get old pretty quick, though! :) Z From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Coatsworth Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2014 6:06 AM To: 'Framers' Subject: RE: FrameMaker 12 released Umm, activation via Internet can be circumvented by calling Adobe and getting an activation from them. I'm pretty sure you can access the same help material as PDF or AIRHelp on your local firewalled install (same as it's been for a while now). ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: FrameMaker 12 released
Simon Buch wrote: ? c. In Kapil VERMA's blog entry, there's a section about Licensing options: 'Furthermore, we are providing both perpetual and subscription licensing options on all our products. We do realize that the licensing needs of our customers vary and hence, we are offering both the options for you. There is also special upgrade pricing available as well as limited time promotional price for some customers. Please refer to the product homepages for exact pricing information (links below).' Really? To help summarize what I read ... as far as I can tell from the various pages (I am only showing the US costs). The promotional pricing is for the subscription model of TCS 5: 1. Subscription of TCS 5:$29.99 per month for the first year (at a discount of 40%) - goes up after 1 year. For licensees with both FM 9 and Robohelp 8 (as I read it), there is a promotion discount to the full license price for each product (separately, as I read it): 1. FM 12 $ 599 (at a discount of 40%) 2. Robohelp 11 $ 599 (at a discount of 40%) Presumably, each license cost above is separate(?) And, there is fine print that I am not sure how it would be applied: this promotion is only available to eligible commercial and volume licensing customers worldwide and eligible retain commercial customers who purchase directly from the Adobe.com Store. What is the definition of commercial in this context? Are free-lance writers who use FrameMaker and Robohelp not eligible? For the new subscription model of FM 12, there is no discount: 1. Subscription of FM 12: $29.99 per month. For perpetual license upgrades to FM, there is no discount: 1. From FM 11 to FM 12:$ 399 2. From FM 11 to TCS 5: $ 1199 3. From FM 10 to FM 12:$ 599 4. From FM 10 to TCS 5: $ 1199 5. From FM 7.x, 8, 9 to FM 12: $ 999 (no discount from list price) 6. From FM 7.x, 8, 9 to TCS 5: $ 1199 Z ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: FrameMaker 12 released
Correct. The cost is charged monthly - with an annual commitment. After 30 days, if you cancel, you will be billed 50% of the remaining contract obligation. What I meant was that the software checks activation every 30 days ... presumably, without Internet access, you would have to call every month? Z From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Scott Prentice Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2014 10:46 AM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: FrameMaker 12 released Although the subscription is labeled monthly, it's really a yearly subscription. As far as I know you have to pay for an entire year .. that's just the monthly cost if you break it down that way. ...scott On 1/15/14 10:33 AM, Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.netmailto:syed.hos...@aeris.net) wrote: Calling every 30 days for the subscription model version would get old pretty quick, though! :) Z From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Coatsworth Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2014 6:06 AM To: 'Framers' Subject: RE: FrameMaker 12 released Umm, activation via Internet can be circumvented by calling Adobe and getting an activation from them. I'm pretty sure you can access the same help material as PDF or AIRHelp on your local firewalled install (same as it's been for a while now). ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: FrameMaker 12 released
Yeah! :) No internet access allowed for them, so they would have to get the perpetual licenses ... Z From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Coatsworth Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2014 10:51 AM To: 'Framers' Subject: RE: FrameMaker 12 released Pretty sure that the military-industrial complex doesn't deal with month-by-month subscriptions ;) From: Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.netmailto:syed.hos...@aeris.net) [mailto:syed.hos...@aeris.net] Sent: January-15-14 1:34 PM To: Jeff Coatsworth; 'Framers' Subject: RE: FrameMaker 12 released Calling every 30 days for the subscription model version would get old pretty quick, though! :) Z From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Coatsworth Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2014 6:06 AM To: 'Framers' Subject: RE: FrameMaker 12 released Umm, activation via Internet can be circumvented by calling Adobe and getting an activation from them. I'm pretty sure you can access the same help material as PDF or AIRHelp on your local firewalled install (same as it's been for a while now). ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: FrameMaker 12 released
Ah! Apparently, activation over the phone may no longer be an option for FM 12 - you have to have an Internet connection. Else you get to return your product purchase, I suppose. This is from the FM 12 FAQ: I didn't know I needed to have an Internet connection when I purchased FrameMaker 12. Is there a way to activate without having an Internet connection?http://www.adobe.com/products/framemaker/faq.html No. Activation of FrameMaker 12 is required via the Internet. Each machine with an application installed must connect to the Internet at least once within 30 days of the first launch of your serialized product to continue using the product. I didn't know I needed to have an Internet connection when I purchased Adobe FrameMaker 12. What is the return policy?http://www.adobe.com/products/framemaker/faq.html For details on Adobe return policies in your region, go to http://kb2.adobe.com/cps/153/tn_15327.html. Although, they do also say this in the FAQ about calling by an IT Administrator (my bolding below): Can I choose not to activate Adobe FrameMaker 12?http://www.adobe.com/products/framemaker/faq.html Activation of Adobe FrameMaker 12 is required via the Internet to continue use of the product. Activating your product helps protect your computer and your environment by ensuring that you are using a genuine Adobe product. Activating your product has other benefits. Visit the activation page [ http://adobe.com/product/activationhttp://www.adobe.com/products/activation/] for more information. The machine with FrameMaker 12 installed must connect to the Internet at least once within 30 days of the first launch of your serialized product or the product stops working. If you work in a company that has a firewall that prevents your system from connecting to the Internet, have your IT administrator contact Customer Service. The phone numbers for Customer Service are available at www.adobe.com/support/contacthttp://www.adobe.com/support/contact. Of course, if the IT Administrator has to open a firewall - even if temporarily - rather than just calling to get activation done, I suspect it will not happen at some sites. Z From: Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net) Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2014 11:05 AM To: 'Scott Prentice'; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: FrameMaker 12 released Correct. The cost is charged monthly - with an annual commitment. After 30 days, if you cancel, you will be billed 50% of the remaining contract obligation. What I meant was that the software checks activation every 30 days ... presumably, without Internet access, you would have to call every month? Z From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Scott Prentice Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2014 10:46 AM To: framers@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: FrameMaker 12 released Although the subscription is labeled monthly, it's really a yearly subscription. As far as I know you have to pay for an entire year .. that's just the monthly cost if you break it down that way. ...scott On 1/15/14 10:33 AM, Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.netmailto:syed.hos...@aeris.net) wrote: Calling every 30 days for the subscription model version would get old pretty quick, though! :) Z From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Coatsworth Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2014 6:06 AM To: 'Framers' Subject: RE: FrameMaker 12 released Umm, activation via Internet can be circumvented by calling Adobe and getting an activation from them. I'm pretty sure you can access the same help material as PDF or AIRHelp on your local firewalled install (same as it's been for a while now). ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: FrameMaker 12 released
From a scan of their product pages and the few reviews out now, this looks like a compelling upgrade. I passed on FM 11 because most of the new features seemed oriented to structured authoring. This release has the number one item on my list of requested feature enhancements - regular expressions in search. That alone would be worth the upgrade to me. The improved conditional text pod, smart catalogs, and other GUI enhancements are also good. I would like to know if they've improved the MS Word import. I didn't see any mention of that anywhere. Regards Keith -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Reng, Dr. Winfried Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2014 2:57 AM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: FrameMaker 12 released Hi, FrameMaker 12 is released now. There are many links with information. See below. Best regards Winfried --- http://blogs.adobe.com/techcomm/2014/01/framemaker-12-launch-blog.html http://blogs.adobe.com/techcomm/2014/01/technical-communication-suite-5-is-here.html http://blogs.adobe.com/techcomm/2014/01/product-o-pedia-2014.html What's new in FrameMaker 12: http://www.adobe.com/products/framemaker/features.html Refer to the version comparison chart to see how FM has evolved: wwwimages.adobe.com/www.adobe.com/content/dam/Adobe/en/products/framemaker/framemaker-12/PDFs/FRAMEMAKER12_VERSION_COMPARISION.PDF For answers to many questions on FM12, please see the FM12 FAQ http://www.adobe.com/products/framemaker/faq.html What's new inTechCommSuite 5: TCS 5 Features http://www.adobe.com/products/technicalcommunicationsuite/features.html Refer to the version comparison to see how the TCS has evolved: http://wwwimages.adobe.com/www.adobe.com/content/dam/Adobe/en/products/technicalcommunicationsuite/techcomsuite-5/pdf/TCS5_VERSION_COMPARISION.PDF Reviews: http://techwhirl.com/adobe-framemaker-12-first-look-review/ http://techwhirl.com/adobe-framemaker-xml-author-12-first-look-review/ NOTICE OF CONFIDENTIALITY This e-mail, including all materials contained in or attached to this e-mail, contains proprietary and confidential information solely for the internal use of the intended recipient. If you have received this email in error, please notify us immediately by return e-mail or otherwise and ensure that it is permanently deleted from your systems, and do not print, copy, distribute or read its contents. AVIS DE CONFIDENTIALITÉ Le présent courriel, y compris tous les documents qu'il contient ou qui y sont joints, renferme des renseignements exclusifs et confidentiels destinés uniquement à l'usage interne du destinataire prévu. Si vous avez reçu le présent courriel par erreur, veuillez nous aviser immédiatement, notamment par retour de courriel, et vous assurer qu'il est supprimé de façon permanente de vos systèmes; veuillez également vous abstenir d'imprimer, de copier, de distribuer ou de lire son contenu. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: FrameMaker 12 released
Dr. Reng, Thank you for bringing our product launch to the group's attention. Both the product manager, Kapil Verma, and I have submitted product announcements and webinar details to the list, but it appears that they aren't visible yet. (I am awaiting my confirmation email.) For those who would like information on the 40% off promotion for FrameMaker 9 users, you may get full details at this website: http://www.adobe.com/products/technicalcommunicationsuite/promotions.html Please note that you can only take advantage of the 40% promotion from the webpage listed above. Another alternative that may alleviate any frustrations with upgrade costs is to migrate to a FrameMaker 12 subscription. Although you commit to one year with this subscription, the monthly rate is only $29. Any updates (including major releases) automatically become available to you during your active subscription. In the long run, this is possibly the most economical choice. By the way, you may recall that with the last release (FrameMaker 11), only Tech Comm Suite 4 was available for subscription; not the point products. I don't know if there has been discussion about FrameMaker XML Author 12 yet. This is a new product: a fully functional, end-to-end XML authoring solution that is fully compliant with DITA OT. It costs 40% of the price for a full perpetual FrameMaker 12 license and is only $19.99 per month for a year's subscription. Find out more at: http://www.adobe.com/products/framemakerxmlauthor.html For those of you not yet familiar with the new product features, here are 3 new AdobeTV channels that give quick, mini video demos, and will quickly let you know about just a few of the areas with major improvements: FrameMaker 12 Features: http://tv.adobe.com/show/framemaker-12-features FrameMaker XML Author 12 Features: http://tv.adobe.com/show/framemaker-xml-author-12 FrameMaker Publishing Server 12 Features: http://tv.adobe.com/show/framemaker-publishing-server-12 Enjoy! Maxwell Hoffmann | Product Evangelist | Adobe | p. 503.336.5952 | c. 503.805.3719 | mhoff...@adobe.commailto:mhoff...@adobe.com http://twitter.com/maxwellhoffmann - http://www.linkedin.com/in/maxwellhoffmann blogs.adobe.com/techcomm Upcoming webinars http://adobe.ly/Pbz6xIRecorded webinars: http://adobe.ly/Pbdp0J -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.netmailto:syed.hos...@aeris.net) Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2014 12:00 AM To: Reng, Dr. Winfried; framers@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: FrameMaker 12 released Thanks for the links. Some links on the FAQ page for FM 12 are broken ... notably one that takes you to the subscription pricing (including a promotional pricing discount). Also, sorry to beat on this drum still, but the upgrade price of $399 from FrameMaker 11 is still too high to be justifiable (for *my* needs ... YMMV). Particularly after having spent many dollars on upgrading from version 9 to 10 to 11 for no real benefit for my needs - these should all have been treated as bug fixes. *And* my final two years of paying for license upgrades saw NO benefit at all, since there were no upgrades during that period (I paid for the FM 11 upgrade separately!) ... I kinda feel like I should receive FrameMaker 12 without any more upgrade payments, but I suspect this will not happen. BTW, the upgrade price from FM 10 is $599. And from earlier versions: $999 ... which is same as full cost, so not really an upgrade! Z -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Reng, Dr. Winfried Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2014 11:57 PM To: framers@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: FrameMaker 12 released Hi, FrameMaker 12 is released now. There are many links with information. See below. Best regards Winfried ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
