date:20180629

[Framers] My Structured App Not Showing

2018-06-29 Thread cuc tu

Hi All,


I'm trying to set a simple structured app so I can read in xml and apply 
formatting, somewhere I am missing something as I only see two dita and one 
xdocbook apps available. A few times I've seen a whole list of about 20 and 
cannot figure out where is the problem.


I make a new EDD in Frame and it validates. It is flat:


EDD Version is 12.0
Structured Application:
Do not create formats on import.
Element (Container): Reference
Valid as the highest-level element.
General rule: 
Element (Container):  Title
General rule: 
Element (Container):  Subheading
General rule: 
Element (Container):  Command
General rule: 
Element (Container):  Name
General rule: 
Element (Container):  title-label
General rule: 
Element (Container):  show
General rule: 
Element (Container):  data
General rule: 
Element (Container):  pre
General rule: 
Element (Container):  Name2
General rule: 


Then I use StructureTools to save as a DTD, selecting :





























I also create a blank FM file and import elements from my EDD. All of these 
files are saved in the program directory specified in my DTD.



Now I will open the Structured Application Designer with Blank Application, I 
will set the the file paths to my DTD, EDD, and scpi-template.fm files, give it 
a name and save.


Now I will try to open the xml file. I do not know what needs to be in the 
header, but that's my guess. I've also tried it without the path (just 
"DTD12.dtd:








]>


Commands
SYSTEM Commands

 *CLS  
   Title: 
   Clear Status Command 
   Description: 
This command clears all status data structures in the device 
(registers and error queue)
and forces the Operaton Complete state to Idle. 
   Parameter(s): 
   none 





Frame offers only the three structured apps, not mine, so I'm lost.


I've done this many times and a few times I was able to see my app, but I had 
specified the  element in lower case and frame seemed to be 
complaining about that and would not open the file.


I know I need to add a lot more to my EDD and rebuild this, I just want 
something simple to work and I just cannot get there.


Thanks for any insights.

C2
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Re: [Framers] My Structured App Not Showing

2018-06-29 Thread Rick Quatro

Hi C2,

I have never used the Structured Application Designer. Then manual way may
be easier anyway:

1) Choose Structure > Application Definition > Edit Application Definitions.

2) Display the Structure View and Element Catalog.

3) Insert an XMLApplication element and the required child elements.

4) Each time you make a change and want to test it, choose > Structure >
Application Definition > Read Application Definitions (with the
structapps.fm file active).

Please let me know if you have any questions or comments. Thank you very
much.

Rick

Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing Inc.
r...@frameexpert.com
585-729-6746 NEW!



-Original Message-
From: Framers  On
Behalf Of cuc tu
Sent: Friday, June 29, 2018 9:35 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: [Framers] My Structured App Not Showing

Hi All,


I'm trying to set a simple structured app so I can read in xml and apply
formatting, somewhere I am missing something as I only see two dita and one
xdocbook apps available. A few times I've seen a whole list of about 20 and
cannot figure out where is the problem.


I make a new EDD in Frame and it validates. It is flat:


EDD Version is 12.0
Structured Application:
Do not create formats on import.
Element (Container): Reference
Valid as the highest-level element.
General rule: 
Element (Container):  Title
General rule: 
Element (Container):  Subheading
General rule: 
Element (Container):  Command
General rule: 
Element (Container):  Name
General rule: 
Element (Container):  title-label
General rule: 
Element (Container):  show
General rule: 
Element (Container):  data
General rule: 
Element (Container):  pre
General rule: 
Element (Container):  Name2
General rule: 


Then I use StructureTools to save as a DTD, selecting :





























I also create a blank FM file and import elements from my EDD. All of these
files are saved in the program directory specified in my DTD.



Now I will open the Structured Application Designer with Blank Application,
I will set the the file paths to my DTD, EDD, and scpi-template.fm files,
give it a name and save.


Now I will try to open the xml file. I do not know what needs to be in the
header, but that's my guess. I've also tried it without the path (just
"DTD12.dtd:








]>


Commands
SYSTEM Commands   *CLS  
   Title: 
   Clear Status Command 
   Description: 
This command clears all status data structures in the
device (registers and error queue) and forces the Operaton Complete state to
Idle. 
   Parameter(s): 
   none 





Frame offers only the three structured apps, not mine, so I'm lost.


I've done this many times and a few times I was able to see my app, but I
had specified the  element in lower case and frame seemed to be
complaining about that and would not open the file.


I know I need to add a lot more to my EDD and rebuild this, I just want
something simple to work and I just cannot get there.


Thanks for any insights.

C2
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Re: [Framers] My Structured App Not Showing

2018-06-29 Thread cuc tu

Framers,


A few more details.


I typed my application name into my EDD and went through the process again. 
This time when saving the DTD, I was not presented with the structured 
application selection dialog. I forgot to mention there was a dialog before 
that gave of choice of SGML or XML, I picked XML, but that did not appear after 
including my application name in the EDD. When saving my DTD previously, I had 
many str-app choices, including the one I named. I picked that once or twice 
when doing this.


There is also some details about adding the details to the structured 
application definition file. That seems to get done automatically using the 
designer.


Here are referenced I've been reading:


https://help.adobe.com/en_US/framemaker/2015/using/using-framemaker-2015/frm_structauth_sa/Build_a_structured_application-.htm


http://www.frameusers.com/uploads/2016/09/First-steps-in-structure.pdf



I am now reading the bottom of page 23(27) of this nebulous document:


https://help.adobe.com/en_US/framemaker/2015/StructuredDev/Structure_Dev_Reference.pdf



C2







From: cuc tu 
Sent: Friday, June 29, 2018 6:34 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: My Structured App Not Showing


Hi All,


I'm trying to set a simple structured app so I can read in xml and apply 
formatting, somewhere I am missing something as I only see two dita and one 
xdocbook apps available. A few times I've seen a whole list of about 20 and 
cannot figure out where is the problem.


I make a new EDD in Frame and it validates. It is flat:


EDD Version is 12.0
Structured Application:
Do not create formats on import.
Element (Container): Reference
Valid as the highest-level element.
General rule: 
Element (Container):  Title
General rule: 
Element (Container):  Subheading
General rule: 
Element (Container):  Command
General rule: 
Element (Container):  Name
General rule: 
Element (Container):  title-label
General rule: 
Element (Container):  show
General rule: 
Element (Container):  data
General rule: 
Element (Container):  pre
General rule: 
Element (Container):  Name2
General rule: 


Then I use StructureTools to save as a DTD, selecting :





























I also create a blank FM file and import elements from my EDD. All of these 
files are saved in the program directory specified in my DTD.



Now I will open the Structured Application Designer with Blank Application, I 
will set the the file paths to my DTD, EDD, and scpi-template.fm files, give it 
a name and save.


Now I will try to open the xml file. I do not know what needs to be in the 
header, but that's my guess. I've also tried it without the path (just 
"DTD12.dtd:








]>


Commands
SYSTEM Commands

 *CLS  
   Title: 
   Clear Status Command 
   Description: 
This command clears all status data structures in the device 
(registers and error queue)
and forces the Operaton Complete state to Idle. 
   Parameter(s): 
   none 





Frame offers only the three structured apps, not mine, so I'm lost.


I've done this many times and a few times I was able to see my app, but I had 
specified the  element in lower case and frame seemed to be 
complaining about that and would not open the file.


I know I need to add a lot more to my EDD and rebuild this, I just want 
something simple to work and I just cannot get there.


Thanks for any insights.

C2
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Re: [Framers] My Structured App Not Showing

2018-06-29 Thread cuc tu

Framers,


I found an old version (FM9) of the structure developer guide and went through 
that quick start overview. I needed to create a rw rules file, and now it's 
working.


I'm having an anomaly in the structure view pain :) - it's not scrolling 
properly. That will be another topic.


Thanks for bearing with this.

C2



From: cuc tu 
Sent: Friday, June 29, 2018 7:35 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: My Structured App Not Showing


Framers,


A few more details.


I typed my application name into my EDD and went through the process again. 
This time when saving the DTD, I was not presented with the structured 
application selection dialog. I forgot to mention there was a dialog before 
that gave of choice of SGML or XML, I picked XML, but that did not appear after 
including my application name in the EDD. When saving my DTD previously, I had 
many str-app choices, including the one I named. I picked that once or twice 
when doing this.


There is also some details about adding the details to the structured 
application definition file. That seems to get done automatically using the 
designer.


Here are referenced I've been reading:


https://help.adobe.com/en_US/framemaker/2015/using/using-framemaker-2015/frm_structauth_sa/Build_a_structured_application-.htm


http://www.frameusers.com/uploads/2016/09/First-steps-in-structure.pdf



I am now reading the bottom of page 23(27) of this nebulous document:


https://help.adobe.com/en_US/framemaker/2015/StructuredDev/Structure_Dev_Reference.pdf



C2







From: cuc tu 
Sent: Friday, June 29, 2018 6:34 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: My Structured App Not Showing


Hi All,


I'm trying to set a simple structured app so I can read in xml and apply 
formatting, somewhere I am missing something as I only see two dita and one 
xdocbook apps available. A few times I've seen a whole list of about 20 and 
cannot figure out where is the problem.


I make a new EDD in Frame and it validates. It is flat:


EDD Version is 12.0
Structured Application:
Do not create formats on import.
Element (Container): Reference
Valid as the highest-level element.
General rule: 
Element (Container):  Title
General rule: 
Element (Container):  Subheading
General rule: 
Element (Container):  Command
General rule: 
Element (Container):  Name
General rule: 
Element (Container):  title-label
General rule: 
Element (Container):  show
General rule: 
Element (Container):  data
General rule: 
Element (Container):  pre
General rule: 
Element (Container):  Name2
General rule: 


Then I use StructureTools to save as a DTD, selecting :





























I also create a blank FM file and import elements from my EDD. All of these 
files are saved in the program directory specified in my DTD.



Now I will open the Structured Application Designer with Blank Application, I 
will set the the file paths to my DTD, EDD, and scpi-template.fm files, give it 
a name and save.


Now I will try to open the xml file. I do not know what needs to be in the 
header, but that's my guess. I've also tried it without the path (just 
"DTD12.dtd:








]>


Commands
SYSTEM Commands

 *CLS  
   Title: 
   Clear Status Command 
   Description: 
This command clears all status data structures in the device 
(registers and error queue)
and forces the Operaton Complete state to Idle. 
   Parameter(s): 
   none 





Frame offers only the three structured apps, not mine, so I'm lost.


I've done this many times and a few times I was able to see my app, but I had 
specified the  element in lower case and frame seemed to be 
complaining about that and would not open the file.


I know I need to add a lot more to my EDD and rebuild this, I just want 
something simple to work and I just cannot get there.


Thanks for any insights.

C2
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[Framers] EDD Formatting not Applied

2018-06-29 Thread cuc tu

Hi All,


If you're following my structured application development, you're not surprised 
I'm back so soon.


I wanted to automatically format the XML text in my Frame application. I 
changed the EDD as follows:


Structured Application: SCPI
Automatically create formats on import.
Element (Container): Reference
Valid as the highest-level element.
General rule: 
Element (Container):  Title
General rule: 
Text format rules
Element paragraph format: Title
In all contexts.
Text range.


Saved DTD and opened my xml file - without seeing any formatting applied. The 
para formats are available, just not being applied.  I tried about a dozen 
different element combinations that were available.



I was reading this reference, particularly step 6:


https://tecfa.unige.ch/guides/xml/frame-sgml/edd-formatting.pdf

Formatting with FrameMaker + SGML’s EDD - 
tecfa.unige.ch
tecfa.unige.ch
Formatting with FrameMaker + SGML’s EDD Step 3:Identify the elements that need 
formatting 3 tags) Alternativly you can work with the Structure View Window.



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Re: [Framers] EDD Formatting not Applied

2018-06-29 Thread Rick Quatro

An Element paragraph format won't get applied to an element that is
specified as a Text range. You have to apply character formatting to a text
range.

-Original Message-
From: Framers  On
Behalf Of cuc tu
Sent: Friday, June 29, 2018 12:04 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: [Framers] EDD Formatting not Applied

Hi All,

If you're following my structured application development, you're not
surprised I'm back so soon.

I wanted to automatically format the XML text in my Frame application. I
changed the EDD as follows:

Structured Application: SCPI
Automatically create formats on import.
Element (Container): Reference
Valid as the highest-level element.
General rule: 
Element (Container):  Title
General rule: 
Text format rules
Element paragraph format: Title
In all contexts.
Text range.

Saved DTD and opened my xml file - without seeing any formatting applied.
The para formats are available, just not being applied.  I tried about a
dozen different element combinations that were available.

I was reading this reference, particularly step 6:

https://tecfa.unige.ch/guides/xml/frame-sgml/edd-formatting.pdf

Formatting with FrameMaker + SGML's EDD -
tecfa.unige.ch
tecfa.unige.ch
Formatting with FrameMaker + SGML's EDD Step 3:Identify the elements that
need formatting 3 tags) Alternativly you can work with the Structure View
Window.

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Re: [Framers] My Structured App Not Showing

2018-06-29 Thread Craig Ede

cuctu,


That difference in the number of structured apps you are seeing may be due to 
the fact that there are two locations that store the stuctured app information. 
One is the  for the local user.  The path depends on the version of FM. On one 
of my installations (an FM13 installation)  that path is:

C:\Users\Craig2\AppData\Roaming\Adobe\FrameMaker\13\structapps.fm


The more general structapps.fm is at:

C:\Programs(x86)\AdobeFrameMaker2015\Structure\structapps.fm


As I recall the one that is read on startup (at least around FM10) was the 
general one. I think they fixed this in later versions so that it always reads 
and writes to the local copy by default.


Also as Rick mentioned, after you add and structured app to structapps.fm you 
have to read the file in again for it to take effect.


Craig


From: Framers  on 
behalf of cuc tu 
Subject: [Framers] My Structured App Not Showing

Hi All,


I'm trying to set a simple structured app so I can read in xml and apply 
formatting, somewhere I am missing something as I only see two dita and one 
xdocbook apps available. A few times I've seen a whole list of about 20 and 
cannot figure out where is the problem.


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Re: [Framers] EDD Formatting not Applied (SOLVED)

2018-06-29 Thread cuc tu

I discovered that I needed to re-import the EDD elements into my template. I 
can now have a Happy Friday, and same to all of you.


C2



From: cuc tu 
Sent: Friday, June 29, 2018 9:03 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: EDD Formatting not Applied


Hi All,


If you're following my structured application development, you're not surprised 
I'm back so soon.


I wanted to automatically format the XML text in my Frame application. I 
changed the EDD as follows:


Structured Application: SCPI
Automatically create formats on import.
Element (Container): Reference
Valid as the highest-level element.
General rule: 
Element (Container):  Title
General rule: 
Text format rules
Element paragraph format: Title
In all contexts.
Text range.


Saved DTD and opened my xml file - without seeing any formatting applied. The 
para formats are available, just not being applied.  I tried about a dozen 
different element combinations that were available.



I was reading this reference, particularly step 6:


https://tecfa.unige.ch/guides/xml/frame-sgml/edd-formatting.pdf

Formatting with FrameMaker + SGML’s EDD - 
tecfa.unige.ch
tecfa.unige.ch
Formatting with FrameMaker + SGML’s EDD Step 3:Identify the elements that need 
formatting 3 tags) Alternativly you can work with the Structure View Window.



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Re: [Framers] EDD Formatting not Applied (SOLVED)

2018-06-29 Thread Craig Ede

After making adjusts to the EDD, I've forgotten that step of re-importing into 
the template file WAY too many times.


And yet I still forget sometimes!!


Craig



From: Framers  on 
behalf of cuc tu 
Sent: Friday, June 29, 2018 12:23 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: [Framers] EDD Formatting not Applied (SOLVED)

I discovered that I needed to re-import the EDD elements into my template. I 
can now have a Happy Friday, and same to all of you.


C2
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