Installing from File System
I have setup FreeBSD 5.4, with a minimal installation from the CDRom, I would like to be able to change configuration options, such as adding something from the packages collection on the CDs, or adding more of the distributions at a later point remotely, using /stand/sysinstall. I figured I could copy both cds 1 and 2 into a directory on the machine, and choose file system from the installation media page. All works good up to a point. then I receive a message stating that this is Disc 0 and the packages is on Disc 1. How do I make the install section realize that all of the files are on the file system? Thanks, Dean Weimer Sr. Network Administrator Orscheln Management Company Phone: (660) 269-3448 Fax: (660) 269-3950 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
RE: Installing from File System
I knew I was missing something really simple, that did the trick. Thanks, Dean Weimer Sr. Network Administrator Orscheln Management Company -Original Message- From: Lowell Gilbert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2005 12:40 PM To: Dean Weimer Cc: 'freebsd-questions@freebsd.org' Subject: Re: Installing from File System Dean Weimer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I have setup FreeBSD 5.4, with a minimal installation from the CDRom, > I would like to be able to change configuration options, such as > adding something from the packages collection on the CDs, or adding > more of the distributions at a later point remotely, using > /stand/sysinstall. I figured I could copy both cds 1 and 2 into a > directory on the machine, and choose file system from the installation media page. All works good up to a point. > then I receive a message stating that this is Disc 0 and the packages > is on Disc 1. How do I make the install section realize that all of > the files are on the file system? Build an appropriate packages/INDEX file. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
RE: Installing from File System
I am guessing, this is a complete guess, that some of the packages have a different number of options, and/or dependencies, yet every package has to have the same number of fields. I could be way off here, but in any case I modified my packages index file as follows. sed -i .bak1 -E s/"\|1$"/"\|0"/g INDEX sed -i .bak2 -E s/"\|2$"/"\|0"/g INDEX The $ sign will make it match at the end of the line, so as to avoid any lines that may have |1 or |2 contained within the middle of them. (There are some, I checked) Also of note, I usually use the csh shell, but I could figure out how to escape the $, kept getting illegal variable name, so I used the sh shell for these 2 lines) This worked fine for the packages I installed so far, but I may have only done a few since doing this, so I may have missed something. Thanks, Dean Weimer Sr. Network Administrator Orscheln Management Company _ From: Thomas Linton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2005 4:13 AM To: Dean Weimer Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Installing from File System I do have the same problem and don't really understand the syntax of the INDEX file. I guess the "2" at the end of the line means 2nd CD, but why ""-->there are sometimes more or less pipes at the end of the lines. at-spi-1.6.3_1|/usr/ports/accessibility/at-spi|/usr/X11R6|An Assistive Technology Service Provider Interface|/usr/ports/accessibility/at-spi/pkg-descr|[EMAIL PROTECTED]|access ibility x11-toolkits|ORBit2-2.12.1_1 atk-1.9.1 bitstream-vera-1.10_1 expat-1.95.8 fontconfig-2.2.3,1 freetype2-2.1.9 gail-1.8.2_1 gettext-0.14.1 glib-2.6.3_1 gmake-3.80_2 gtk-2.6.4_1 hicolor-icon-theme-0.5 intltool-0.33 jpeg-6b_3 libIDL-0.8.5_1 libXft-2.1.6_1 libart_lgpl2-2.3.17 libbonobo-2.8.1_1 libglade2-2.5.1_2 libgnomecanvas-2.10.0_1 libiconv-1.9.2_1 libtool-1.5.10_1 libxml2-2.6.18 p5-XML-Parser-2.34_1 pango-1.8.1 perl-5.8.6_2 pkgconfig-0.15.0_1 png-1.2.8_1 popt-1.7 python-2.4_1 shared-mime-info-0.15_9 tiff-3.7.1_2 xmlcatmgr-2.2 xorg-fonts-encodings-6.8.2 xorg-fonts-truetype-6.8.2 xorg-libraries-6.8.2|ORBit2-2.12.1_1 atk-1.9.1 bitstream-vera-1.10_1 expat-1.95.8 fontconfig-2.2.3,1 freetype2-2.1.9 gail-1.8.2_1 gettext-0.14.1 glib-2.6.3_1 gnomehier-2.0_6 gtk-2.6.4_1 hicolor-icon-theme-0.5 jpeg-6b_3 libIDL-0.8.5_1 libXft-2.1.6_1 libart_lgpl2-2.3.17 libbonobo-2.8.1_1 libglade2-2.5.1_2 libgnomecanvas-2.10.0_1 libiconv-1.9.2_1 libxml2-2.6.18 pango-1.8.1 perl-5.8.6_2 pkgconfig-0.15.0_1 png-1.2.8_1 popt-1.7 python-2.4_1 shared-mime-info-0.15_9 tiff-3.7.1_2 xmlcatmgr-2.2 xorg-fonts-encodings-6.8.2 xorg-fonts-truetype-6.8.2 xorg-libraries-6.8.2|http://developer.gnome.org/projects/gap/2 On 10/28/05, Dean Weimer < [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: I have setup FreeBSD 5.4, with a minimal installation from the CDRom, I would like to be able to change configuration options, such as adding something from the packages collection on the CDs, or adding more of the distributions at a later point remotely, using /stand/sysinstall. I figured I could copy both cds 1 and 2 into a directory on the machine, and choose file system from the installation media page. All works good up to a point. then I receive a message stating that this is Disc 0 and the packages is on Disc 1. How do I make the install section realize that all of the files are on the file system? Thanks, Dean Weimer Sr. Network Administrator Orscheln Management Company Phone: (660) 269-3448 Fax: (660) 269-3950 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org <mailto:freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions> To unsubscribe, send any mail to " <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [EMAIL PROTECTED]" ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Iomega REV Drive
I have recently found a used Iomega REV drive for a cheap price, and thought it might work as a good low cost backup solution on my home FreeBSD server. However, I haven't been able to figure out how to make it work with FreeBSD. FreeBSD finds it as a CDROM drive, has anyone managed to make one of these drives work on FreeBSD? This is the 36G IDE version of the drive, I picked the drive up cheap, along with one used disk, if it doesn't work it's no big loss. I have tried searching the lists, and have found people asking questions in the past, but never found an answer to them. The dmesg output for the drive shows it as: acd0: CDROM at ata0-slave UDMA66 Thanks, Dean Weimer Network Administrator ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
mount_udf information
Does anyone know where I can find out what versions of the UDF file system that the FreeBSD mount_udf command supports? Or more specifically does anyone know if it's possible to mount an ISO image of Windows 2008 server with FreeBSD? I created an ISO image server running on FreeBSD 7.2 (Also tested on a FreeBSD 8.0 machine, no change in results) to store the ISO images we use frequently. Serving them both through NFS for access to be mounted as CD/DVD drives with on VMware ESX servers, and through samba shares both as ISO images and mounted as read only file systems. Everything worked great right up until I got to the mounting of the Windows 2008 Server DVDs. Tried using: mdconfig -a -t vnode -f /windows2008serverdvd.iso -u 0 mount -t udf /dev/md0 /mnt/windows2008serverdvd It returns "mount_udf: /dev/md0: Invalid argument" And logs a kernel error of "FSD does not lie within the partition!" Thanks, Dean Weimer Network Administrator Orscheln Management Co ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: 5000' Ethernet?
>Not directly FreeBSD related, but how much of a chance is there that two >machines could communicate directly over 5,000 feet of cat5 with no >special hardware? > >IIRC the classic Ethernet problem limiting the distance between the >farthest points on a network had to do with timing and collisions. If >these two NICs are configured full duplex then it seems one would have >no idea how far away the other was due to timing issues. > >100baseT uses lower power drivers than 10baseT, so perhaps 10baseT would >work better. >In any case, have boxes of cat5 on order so as to find out myself. >Are there any particular range extenders you have used and would >recommend for making this task a sure thing on the first try? Perhaps I >should put an inexpensive Ethernet switch at each junction to serve as a >regenerative repeater? I must say that all the information about Ethernet you have gotten about this has been quite interesting , but it seems a lot of people forgot that a simple answer is often the best answer. Basically you don't need to know all the info about timing and how Ethernet handles collisions. What you do need to know is that many people have research this, and that's why Cat5 cable standard has a maximum length of 100 meters or 328 feet, they have found this to be the maximum length that it reliably works. In order to go 5000 feet, you would actually need 15 repeaters. I have never tried to string that many switches or repeaters together though in my experience if you buy this many low end switches you will likely have one bad one in the bunch. Plus there's a lot of places you would need power, and if this is outside now you have to take the weather into account. It's unfortunate that wireless was ruled out as this would be the easiest method, and likely the cheapest. The next option I would look to is definitely fiber as you had mentioned before. I have only ordered fiber through our installer they come out string it polish and terminate the ends. Then we just plug in the patch cables. As for a supplier I checked some of the major vendors we use for cabling, they all offer only patch cables for fiber, my guess is that if you need to buy a spool, it would have to be from a whole sale outfit, and then you would need someone to put the ends on. Your best bet would be to search for data and communication cable installation services in your area. I would still quote wireless if it's feasible in the location as your customer (or management if this is for an in house operation) may change their mind after presented with the cost of a temporary fiber installation, and the problems a cat5 run would require overcoming. Hope this helps some, Thanks, Dean Weimer Network Administrator Orscheln Management Co Phone: (660) 269-3448 Fax: (660) 269-3950 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
RE: VMWare ESX and FBSD 7.2 AMD64 guest
> This message has a foot that has nearly touched down over the OT > borderline. > > We received an HP Proliant DL360G5 collocation box yesterday that has > two processors, and 8GB of memory. > > All the client wants to use this box for is a single instance of > Windows > web hosting. Knowing the sites the client wants to aggregate into IIS, > I > know that the box is far over-rated. > > Making a long story short, they have agreed to allow us to put their > Windows server inside of a virtual-ized container, so we can use the > unused horsepower for other vm's (test servers etc). > > My problem is performance. I'm only willing to make this box virtual if > I can keep the abstraction performance loss to <25% (my ultimate goal > would be 15%). > > The following is what I have, followed by my benchmark findings: > > # 7.2-RELEASE AMD64 > > FreeBSD 7.2-RELEASE #0: Fri May 1 07:18:07 UTC 2009 > r...@driscoll.cse.buffalo.edu:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC > > Timecounter "i8254" frequency 1193182 Hz quality 0 > CPU: Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU5150 @ 2.66GHz (2666.78-MHz > K8-class CPU) > Origin = "GenuineIntel" Id = 0x6f6 Stepping = 6 > > usable memory = 8575160320 (8177 MB) > avail memory = 8273620992 (7890 MB) > > FreeBSD/SMP: Multiprocessor System Detected: 4 CPUs > cpu0 (BSP): APIC ID: 0 > cpu1 (AP): APIC ID: 1 > cpu2 (AP): APIC ID: 6 > cpu3 (AP): APIC ID: 7: > > Benchmarks: > > # time make -j4 buildworld (under vmware) > > 5503.038u 3049.500s 1:15:46.25 188.1% 5877+1961k 3298+586716io > 2407pf+0w > > # time make -j4 buildworld (native) > > 4777.568u 992.422s 33:02.12 291.1%6533+2099k 25722+586485io 3487pf+0w > > ...both builds were from the exact same sources, and both runs were > running with the exact same environment. I was extremely careful to > ensure that the environments were exactly the same. > > I'd appreciate any feedback on tweaks that I can make (either to > VMWare, > or FreeBSD itself) to make the virtualized environment much more > efficient. > > Off-list is fine. > > Cheers, > > Steve I haven't actually done any benchmarks to compare the performance, but I have been running production FreeBSD servers on VMware for a couple of years. I currently have two 6.2 systems running CUPS, one on VMware Server, and the other on ESX 3.5. I also have a 7.0 system and two 7.1 systems running Squid on ESX 3.5 as well. The thing that I noticed as the biggest bottle neck for any guest within VMware is the Disk I/O (with the exception of video which isn't an issue for a server). Compiling software does take longer, because of this, however if you tune your disks properly the performance under real application load doesn't seem to be an issue. Using soft updates on the file system seems to help out a lot, but be aware of the consequences. That being said, on the Systems I have running squid we average 9G of traffic a day on the busiest system with about 11% cache hit rate, These proxies sit close to idle after hours. Looking at the information from systat -vmstat, the system is almost idle during the day under the full load as well, you just can't touch FreeBSD with only 2 DSL lines for web traffic. Its faster than the old native system was, however there is an iSCSI SAN behind the ESX server for disk access, and we went from a Dell PowerEdge 850 to a Dell PowerEdge 2950. It does share that server with around 15 or more other servers (Mostly windows, some Linux) depending on the current load. Which brings us to another point, It seems to do just fine when VMware VMotion moves it between servers. Not sure if this information helps you out any, but my recommendation would be that if your application will be very disk intensive, avoid the Virtual machine. In my case with the Squid, gaining the redundancy of the VMware coupled with VMotion was worth the potential hit in performance. As we are soon implementing a second data center across town that will house additional VMware servers and thanks to a 10G fiber ring, will allow us to migrate servers while running between datacenters. Also keep in mind that as of vSphere 4 (We will be upgrading to this once the new data center is complete, just waiting on the shipment of the racks at this point), VMware does officially support FreeBSD 7.1, so you might want to go with that instead of 7.2, as there may be a performance issue with 7.2, but it's also just as likely that it was a timing issue on releases that 7.1 is supported and 7.2 isn't. As of ESXi 4.0 (released 5-21-2009), I believe it has the same code base as vSphere 4, so the same guests should be supported. Thanks, Dean Weimer Network Administrator Orscheln Management Co ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
IPFilter section in Handbook needs updating
I was just setting up ipfilter and ipmon on a FreeBSD 7 server, and noticed that the ipmon and syslog information under the ipfilter section of the handbook is incorrect. The section reads: -snip- 31.5.7 IPMON Logging Syslogd uses its own special method for segregation of log data. It uses special groupings called "facility" and "level". IPMON in -Ds mode uses security as the "facility" name. All IPMON logged data goes to security The following levels can be used to further segregate the logged data if desired: LOG_INFO - packets logged using the "log" keyword as the action rather than pass or block. LOG_NOTICE - packets logged which are also passed LOG_WARNING - packets logged which are also blocked LOG_ERR - packets which have been logged and which can be considered short To setup IPFILTER to log all data to /var/log/ipfilter.log, you will need to create the file. The following command will do that: # touch /var/log/ipfilter.log The syslog function is controlled by definition statements in the /etc/syslog.conf file. The syslog.conf file offers considerable flexibility in how syslog will deal with system messages issued by software applications like IPF. Add the following statement to /etc/syslog.conf: security.* /var/log/ipfilter.log The security.* means to write all the logged messages to the coded file location. To activate the changes to /etc/syslog.conf you can reboot or bump the syslog task into re-reading /etc/syslog.conf by running /etc/rc.d/syslogd reload Do not forget to change /etc/newsyslog.conf to rotate the new log you just created above. -snip- In trying to configure this I found that ipmon -Dsa doesn't log to security, but logs to local0 instead. Reading the man page for ipmon does in fact state this. However it also list the -L option as being able to change this default behavior, I tried ipmon -DSa -L security, it excepts this, but doesn't actually change the logging to use security. It still only outputs to the syslog using local0, I also tried using ipmon -DSa -L local7 as well, still outputs to local0. It was easy enough to modify my syslog.conf to output the local0.* as well as security.* to the /var/log/security file. However it would be greatly appreciated if someone that actually understands what's going on here could get this info updated. It would have saved me some time, as well as I am sure some other people in the future. Of course it's always possible I am missing something simple here that is causing this discrepancy, please do inform me if I did. It's probably worth mentioning that I am starting ipmon using the rc.conf file with ipmon_enable="YES" and ipmon_flags="-DSa", just in case the /etc/rc.d/ipmon script actually changes the default behavior of ipmon in some way, though I didn't see anything in it that should. And ps wwaux | grep ipmon does display the process running with the flags exactly as stated on the ipmon_flags line of the /etc/rc.conf file. Thanks, Dean Weimer Network Administrator Orscheln Management Co ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
RE: IPFilter section in Handbook needs updating
First, thanks for your work on writing the section in the handbook, its greatly appreciated. The updates about where ipmon logging to local0 looks good. Not sure whether or not you want to change the bumping the syslogd using the ps and kill commands as /etc/rc.d/syslogd reload does work, and would be easier for someone that is just learning how everything works. Thanks, Dean Weimer Network Administrator Orscheln Management Co -Original Message- From: Fbsd1 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 9:05 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Dean Weimer Subject: Re: IPFilter section in Handbook needs updating G magicman wrote: > And incomplete yes i agree that the doc does need to be updated and examples > (more) need to be added. > > --- On Fri, 12/5/08, Dean Weimer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > From: Dean Weimer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: IPFilter section in Handbook needs updating > To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Date: Friday, December 5, 2008, 10:07 AM > > I was just setting up ipfilter and ipmon on a FreeBSD 7 server, and noticed > that > the ipmon and syslog information under the ipfilter section of the handbook is > incorrect. > > The section reads: > -snip- > 31.5.7 IPMON Logging > Syslogd uses its own special method for segregation of log data. It uses > special groupings called "facility" and "level". IPMON in > -Ds mode uses security as the "facility" name. All IPMON logged data > goes to security The following levels can be used to further segregate the > logged data if desired: > LOG_INFO - packets logged using the "log" keyword as the action > rather than pass or block. > LOG_NOTICE - packets logged which are also passed > LOG_WARNING - packets logged which are also blocked > LOG_ERR - packets which have been logged and which can be considered short > To setup IPFILTER to log all data to /var/log/ipfilter.log, you will need to > create the file. The following command will do that: > # touch /var/log/ipfilter.log > The syslog function is controlled by definition statements in the > /etc/syslog.conf file. The syslog.conf file offers considerable flexibility in > how syslog will deal with system messages issued by software applications like > IPF. > Add the following statement to /etc/syslog.conf: > security.* /var/log/ipfilter.log > The security.* means to write all the logged messages to the coded file > location. > To activate the changes to /etc/syslog.conf you can reboot or bump the syslog > task into re-reading /etc/syslog.conf by running /etc/rc.d/syslogd reload > Do not forget to change /etc/newsyslog.conf to rotate the new log you just > created above. > -snip- > > In trying to configure this I found that ipmon -Dsa doesn't log to > security, but logs to local0 instead. Reading the man page for ipmon does in > fact state this. However it also list the -L option as being able to change > this default behavior, I tried ipmon -DSa -L security, it excepts this, but > doesn't actually change the logging to use security. It still only outputs > to the syslog using local0, I also tried using ipmon -DSa -L local7 as well, > still outputs to local0. It was easy enough to modify my syslog.conf to > output > the local0.* as well as security.* to the /var/log/security file. However it > would be greatly appreciated if someone that actually understands what's > going on here could get this info updated. It would have saved me some time, > as > well as I am sure some other people in the future. Of course it's always > possible I am missing something simple here that is causing this discrepancy, > please do inform me if I did. It's probably worth mentioning that I am > starting ipmon using the rc.conf file with ipmon_enable="YES" and > ipmon_flags="-DSa", just in case the /etc/rc.d/ipmon script actually > changes the default behavior of ipmon in some way, though I didn't see > anything in it that should. And ps wwaux | grep ipmon does display the > process > running with the flags exactly as stated on the ipmon_flags line of the > /etc/rc.conf file. > > Thanks, > Dean Weimer > Network Administrator > Orscheln Management Co > I wrote that whole firewall handbook section. How is the following for complete replacement of the 31.5.7 IPMON Logging section? 31.5.7 IPMON Logging Syslogd uses its own special method for segregation of log data. It uses special groupings called 'facility' and 'level'. IPMON in -Ds mode uses local0 as the 'facility' name. All IPMON logged data goes to local0. You have to manually configure the /et
FreeBSD 7.1 on Dell PowerEdge 850
Just wondering if anyone is running FreeBSD 7.1 on a Dell PowerEdge 850 with SATA raid, I have 5.4 installed on one now, because there was a problem with the Intel ich5 sata chipset on 6.x branch at the time I built the server. I don't remember the error message, but I believe the problem had something to do with the chipset not returning a command that FreeBSD was waiting for so it would hang on boot trying to mount the hard drives. It was quite annoying though in that the entire installation runs but then it fails to boot after the restart. Which is why I was hoping someone else could tell me if FreeBSD 7.1 will run before I wipe out the existing 5.4 installation. In case it helps here is the output about the chipset from pciconf -lv pc...@pci0:30:0:class=0x060401 card=0x0050 chip=0x244e8086 rev=0xe1 hdr=0x01 vendor = 'Intel Corporation' device = '82801BA/CA/DB/DBL/EB/ER (ICH2/3/4/4-L/5/5R), 6300ESB Hub Interface to PCI Bridge' class= bridge subclass = PCI-PCI Thanks, Dean Weimer Network Administrator Orscheln Management Co. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
RE: dell broadcom nic & fbsd 7.1 AMD64
Have you tried the bge drivers instead of bce? I have a Dell PowerEdge 2650 running 7.1 and it is using the bge drivers with no problems, though it is the running i386 and not amd64. Thanks, Dean Weimer Network Administrator Orscheln Management Co -Original Message- Message: 11 Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 06:06:26 -0500 From: Len Conrad Subject: RE: dell broadcom nic & fbsd 7.1 AMD64 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20090519124915.sm08...@w500.go2france.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> ifconfig_bce0="inet 10.2.17.8 netmask 255.255.0.0" >> >>>and output from: >>> >>> dhclient bc0 >> >> I ran that on a local machine and it hung up the interface, requiring a warm >> reboot. >> >> I'll see what happens with my client's machine. >> > >I assume you substituted the correct interface name? (bce0 in place of bc0) yes, sorry, bc was my mistake, rc.conf has/always had ifconfig_bce0="inet 10.2.17.8 netmask 255.255.0.0" We are thinking about dropping back to 7.1 i386 (and losing the 600 MB RAM) or up to 7.2. We have several Dell 1950/2950 with fbsd 7.0 and 7.1 that have had no problems with Broadcom. Len ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"