Re: maybe slightly OT - web content management kits
On 02/08/05 06:02 PM, Louis LeBlanc sat at the `puter and typed: I know this might be slightly OT, but I really only want to ask this question to those that use and maintain websites on FreeBSD anyway. So please overlook the OT post. I'm trying to find a good website management system. Content management. I'm running Apache 2.0 with (among others) mod_perl2, (perl 5.8.6) and Jakarta Tomcat 5.0. I don't have mod_php installed, and I'd just as soon not install it if I don't have to. If it's the best option, then I'll bite the bullet. I'd also like to stick with the server versions I already have installed. I've noticed slash in the ports, but it really wants Apache 1.3.x - as do many other similar apps in the ports. Many others I've found also want mod_php. What I'm asking for is recommendations from people who have used and/or maintained multiple such packages on FreeBSD, what they thought about them. Also, if anyone knows of any similar kits written in JSP, I'd be interested in checking them out. Finally, the server setup I have. I know I'm running pretty close to the bleeding edge, but are there any of these packages out there that are ok on Apache 2.0? Ok, I know I'm answering my own post again, but I've found a very good resource for this kind of info. Just in case anyone is interested, it's at http://www.opensourcecms.com/ They have an extensive, if not exhaustive list of CMS webware projects, and even have an excellent cross project comparison matrix by feature. I'm probably going to try a few out, since there's only a couple in the ports. Among my top candidates are Mambo, geeklog (in ports), drupal (also in ports), opencms, Etomite, and Magnolia. If I find one I really really like, that's not in ports, I may try my hand at submitting and supporting a port. We'll see. Lou -- Louis LeBlanc FreeBSD-at-keyslapper-DOT-net Fully Funded Hobbyist, KeySlapper Extrordinaire :) Please send off-list email to: leblanc at keyslapper d.t net Key fingerprint = C5E7 4762 F071 CE3B ED51 4FB8 AF85 A2FE 80C8 D9A2 Water causes rust! Drink beer instead! pgpdSwiJclsPc.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: maybe slightly OT - web content management kits
Louis LeBlanc [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm trying to find a good website management system. Content management. I'm running Apache 2.0 with (among others) mod_perl2, (perl 5.8.6) and Jakarta Tomcat 5.0. http://www.opensourcecms.com/ I'm probably going to try a few out, since there's only a couple in the ports. Among my top candidates are Mambo, geeklog (in ports), drupal (also in ports), opencms, Etomite, and Magnolia. While I'm no expert on it, I think Plone may be the most well thought out and fully-featured CMS out there; it also looks real nice, right out of the box, and is fully buzzword-compliant :-). It runs on top of Zope, so there are lots of ways to extend functionality. There are also a bunch of add-on Products which can do all sorts of stuff, from Wikis to PhotoAlbums. Zope's written in Python, so it would not be leveraging your Java and Perl stuff. I front mine with Apache but it's not required to do so. Plone's in ports. There are now three books on Plone which should help you if you want to go this way; McKay's is available online if you want to take a look at what you can do with plone. http://plone.org/ http://docs.neuroinf.de/PloneBook If you want to stay on the Java side, you could check out Jakarta Slide, which calls itself a low-level content management framework. But that does sound a bit low-level to me. I'm not generally keen on large Perl and PHP suites, even though I've written some myself. Probably just my own phobias. There's another well-featured CMS I've read about -- but haven't played with -- called Bricolage. It's in Perl IIRC. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: maybe slightly OT - web content management kits
On 02/09/05 04:07 PM, Chris Shenton sat at the `puter and typed: Louis LeBlanc [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm trying to find a good website management system. Content management. I'm running Apache 2.0 with (among others) mod_perl2, (perl 5.8.6) and Jakarta Tomcat 5.0. http://www.opensourcecms.com/ I'm probably going to try a few out, since there's only a couple in the ports. Among my top candidates are Mambo, geeklog (in ports), drupal (also in ports), opencms, Etomite, and Magnolia. While I'm no expert on it, I think Plone may be the most well thought out and fully-featured CMS out there; it also looks real nice, right out of the box, and is fully buzzword-compliant :-). It runs on top of Zope, so there are lots of ways to extend functionality. There are also a bunch of add-on Products which can do all sorts of stuff, from Wikis to PhotoAlbums. Zope's written in Python, so it would not be leveraging your Java and Perl stuff. I front mine with Apache but it's not required to do so. Plone's in ports. There are now three books on Plone which should help you if you want to go this way; McKay's is available online if you want to take a look at what you can do with plone. http://plone.org/ http://docs.neuroinf.de/PloneBook Hmm. Plone didn't exactly rise to the top at opensourcecms.org, but since you saw fit to plug it, I'll give it a chance. I'm not familiar with Zope at all. Isn't it an Apache *alternative*? If you want to stay on the Java side, you could check out Jakarta Slide, which calls itself a low-level content management framework. But that does sound a bit low-level to me. I thought the same thing. I was thinking of trying it anyway, but I think Magnolia and OpenCMS might be based on it - Magnolia is extremely rich in features, and looks very clean. I'm not generally keen on large Perl and PHP suites, even though I've written some myself. Probably just my own phobias. There's another well-featured CMS I've read about -- but haven't played with -- called Bricolage. It's in Perl IIRC. I'm with you there. I've never written PHP, but I've written some perl mods. Still, I suppose I should keep an open mind with them, if only to see if they can beat out the JSP kits. Thanks for the feedback. Lou -- Louis LeBlanc FreeBSD-at-keyslapper-DOT-net Fully Funded Hobbyist, KeySlapper Extrordinaire :) Please send off-list email to: leblanc at keyslapper d.t net Key fingerprint = C5E7 4762 F071 CE3B ED51 4FB8 AF85 A2FE 80C8 D9A2 One size fits all: Doesn't fit anyone. pgpXkDWk3a15K.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: maybe slightly OT - web content management kits
On Wed, Feb 09, 2005 at 04:56:01PM -0500, Louis LeBlanc wrote: On 02/09/05 04:07 PM, Chris Shenton sat at the `puter and typed: Louis LeBlanc [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hmm. Plone didn't exactly rise to the top at opensourcecms.org, but since you saw fit to plug it, I'll give it a chance. Plone is very, very nice. I'm not familiar with Zope at all. Isn't it an Apache *alternative*? Yes and no. Zope serves up all of its content. It's quite common to run Apache in front of it, though -- that way you can use all of your Apache modules. Since a Zope site is totally dynamic, it usually makes sense to run some kind of caching server in front of it. Some people use Apache because that's what they're familiar with/have installed/etc, etc. If you're not going to use any of Apache's features, squid is generally better for that. If you're interested, send me an email off-list, and I'll make you an account on my Plone site so you can dink around and see what it's like. -- Jay. pgpMVcmmjkozQ.pgp Description: PGP signature
RE: maybe slightly OT - web content management kits
On 02/09/05 04:07 PM, Chris Shenton sat at the `puter and typed: Louis LeBlanc [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm trying to find a good website management system. Content management. I'm running Apache 2.0 with (among others) mod_perl2, (perl 5.8.6) and Jakarta Tomcat 5.0. ... I'm not generally keen on large Perl and PHP suites, even though I've written some myself. Probably just my own phobias. There's another well-featured CMS I've read about -- but haven't played with -- called Bricolage. It's in Perl IIRC. As a one-time php developer I'm fond of phpWebSite by Appalachian State University. Lots of features, works great on apache 1.3x or 2 and has an API for module creation. I've spent hours looking at CMS's testing them and as far as I know this is one of the easiest to implement and control, with the features I was looking for (calendar, wysiwyg editor, fine grained user control, extensibility, etc.) My other reccomendation would be Typo3 CMS, but its a behemoth of a program (script). It DOES everything, but its fairly intense to set up and get going. Its also a php script, and it does have some excellent tutorials and a fairly active user support base. Just my 2 cents, -Thomas ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: maybe slightly OT - web content management kits
Jay wrote: On Wed, Feb 09, 2005 at 04:56:01PM -0500, Louis LeBlanc wrote: On 02/09/05 04:07 PM, Chris Shenton sat at the `puter and typed: Louis LeBlanc [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hmm. Plone didn't exactly rise to the top at opensourcecms.org, but since you saw fit to plug it, I'll give it a chance. Plone is very, very nice. I'm not familiar with Zope at all. Isn't it an Apache *alternative*? Yes and no. Zope serves up all of its content. It's quite common to run Apache in front of it, though -- that way you can use all of your Apache modules. Since a Zope site is totally dynamic, it usually makes sense to run some kind of caching server in front of it. Some people use Apache because that's what they're familiar with/have installed/etc, etc. If you're not going to use any of Apache's features, squid is generally better for that. If you're interested, send me an email off-list, and I'll make you an account on my Plone site so you can dink around and see what it's like. I am in the process of looking at zope for a base to a couple of websites I will be creating. One of the sites will be providing services to around 500+ users. Being quite unfamiliar of the development side of zope (I have used plone as a user but that is about it) I was wondering if anyone had any ideas what is the best way to go about hosting something like that. Is virtual/co-/dedicated hosting the way to go? Is one server enough? I have looked into a package called zeo as well that provides a horizontally scalable solution for zope so I am hoping to be able to add servers as required should the load increase. Any help would be much appreciated. :) Chris ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
