Re: [Gendergap] I f***ing love science

[Sarah Stierch]

Jane -

I saw her interview on CBS and said to myself "I need to write a 
Wikipedia article for her."


I just haven't been able to get to it! Let's do this :)

I fucking love Wikipedia! <3 <3

-Sarah

On 3/30/13 12:52 AM, Jane Darnell wrote:

Did anyone see this? A popular blogger on Science (with more than 4
million followers) is a woman. The woman herself, Elise Andrew, had no
idea it was a secret, and she was "outed" when she announced her
twitter account featuring a picture of herself. Apparently the bias
occurred because of the swear word on her facebook page which made
readers assume she was a man. Interesting conclusion! This is a
facebook hype that deserves a WP page, no?

article is here:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/us-news-blog/2013/mar/20/i-love-science-woman-facbook
facebook page here:
http://www.facebook.com/IFeakingLoveScience
The TV interview with Dr. Michio Kaku on CBS morning show is here:
http://cbsn.ws/109mAEL

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Re: [Gendergap] I f***ing love science

[Sarah Stierch]

Oh Michael, the bearer of bad news about people who generally want to 
write new articles on this mailing list.


Is there another article where we think this type of coverage or content 
could be placed? I think we could even build an article about I Fucking 
Love Science instead.


I still question if it's officially not worth an article, I haven't 
researched it yet. But, at this point I'm a "pro" at making people most 
declare non-notable rather notable based on research. (Oh the curator in 
me!)


-Sarah

On 3/30/13 6:08 AM, Michael J. Lowrey wrote:
It's appalling and depressing; but if somebody were to write a 
Wikipedia article about it, at this point, I'd say it fails WP:NOTNEWS.



On Sat, Mar 30, 2013 at 2:52 AM, Jane Darnell <mailto:jane...@gmail.com>> wrote:


Did anyone see this? A popular blogger on Science (with more than 4
million followers) is a woman. The woman herself, Elise Andrew, had no
idea it was a secret, and she was "outed" when she announced her
twitter account featuring a picture of herself. Apparently the bias
occurred because of the swear word on her facebook page which made
readers assume she was a man. Interesting conclusion! This is a
facebook hype that deserves a WP page, no?

article is here:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/us-news-blog/2013/mar/20/i-love-science-woman-facbook
facebook page here:
http://www.facebook.com/IFeakingLoveScience
The TV interview with Dr. Michio Kaku on CBS morning show is here:
http://cbsn.ws/109mAEL

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Re: [Gendergap] I f***ing love science

[Sarah Stierch]

There are plenty! She was notable before this incident happened. She's 
been covered/interviewed in /multiple secondary reliable sources/.


-Sarah
/who always likes a challenge.


On 3/30/13 12:58 PM, Emily Monroe wrote:
On the other hand, we need a secondary source that is more reliable 
than Facebook or Twitter.


From,
Emily


On Sat, Mar 30, 2013 at 2:56 PM, Jane Darnell <mailto:jane...@gmail.com>> wrote:


Awesome! Nice article. I think she is OK on the notability front.
Anyone who manages to accumulate more than 4 million *science*
followers on facebook without posting regularly on sexual subjects is
definitely noteworthy enough for Wikipedia. Add to that this strange
development on the swear-word gender miscommunication and you pass on
the basis of "most bizarre gendergap content to be published in 2013".

2013/3/30, Ilona Buchem mailto:buc...@beuth-hochschule.de>>:
> Hi Sarah,
>
> I am following this discussion and it's interesting to see that
deciding
> about an entry is not straight-forward even to "core insiders".
I wonder
> what criteria help decide if something or someone is "worth" an
article
> in WP. How do you decide? Or: What makes it worth it or nor?
>
> -Ilona
>
> Am 3/30/13 5:17 PM, schrieb Sarah Stierch:
>> Oh Michael, the bearer of bad news about people who generally
want to
>> write new articles on this mailing list.
>>
>> Is there another article where we think this type of coverage or
>> content could be placed? I think we could even build an article
about
>> I Fucking Love Science instead.
>>
>> I still question if it's officially not worth an article, I haven't
>> researched it yet. But, at this point I'm a "pro" at making people
>> most declare non-notable rather notable based on research. (Oh the
>> curator in me!)
>>
>> -Sarah
>>
>> On 3/30/13 6:08 AM, Michael J. Lowrey wrote:
>>> It's appalling and depressing; but if somebody were to write a
>>> Wikipedia article about it, at this point, I'd say it fails
WP:NOTNEWS.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Mar 30, 2013 at 2:52 AM, Jane Darnell
mailto:jane...@gmail.com>
>>> <mailto:jane...@gmail.com <mailto:jane...@gmail.com>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Did anyone see this? A popular blogger on Science (with
more than 4
>>> million followers) is a woman. The woman herself, Elise
Andrew,
>>> had no
>>> idea it was a secret, and she was "outed" when she
announced her
>>> twitter account featuring a picture of herself. Apparently
the bias
>>> occurred because of the swear word on her facebook page
which made
>>> readers assume she was a man. Interesting conclusion! This
is a
>>> facebook hype that deserves a WP page, no?
>>>
>>> article is here:
>>>
>>>

http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/us-news-blog/2013/mar/20/i-love-science-woman-facbook
>>> facebook page here:
>>> http://www.facebook.com/IFeakingLoveScience
>>> The TV interview with Dr. Michio Kaku on CBS morning show
is here:
>>> http://cbsn.ws/109mAEL
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[Gendergap] Smithsonian seeks Wikipedian in Residence for the summer (paid stipend)

[Sarah Stierch]

Hi everyone,

I'm the former Wikipedian in Residence at the Smithsonian, and it was an 
opportunity that changed my career path and allowed me to make 
connections in the GLAM industry - and a chance to improve the world's 
largest encyclopedia and its' sister projects. If you, or someone you 
know, is a student with experience in editing Wikipedia and would like 
to live in Washington DC (or does live there) for the summer and get 
paid a stipend - please apply!!


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:GLAM/SI/WIR

I'd love to see more WIR women - right now I think there are only 
two-four of us internationally and about 20 men! :)


I'm happy to provide any off list input about working there, if you'd like.

-Sarah

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Re: [Gendergap] [Report] International Women's day events in India

[Sarah Stierch]

I concur with what Val said! Great work and thanks for sharing Netha.

Netha - do you have any details on retention of those editors? Is there 
a public list of who participated?


For me the biggest challenge is no longer throwing events, it's getting 
people to continue editing after the events. Just curious if you've had 
any luck finding out if they are being retained.


Thanks!

-Sar

On 4/10/13 8:01 PM, Valerie Aurora wrote:

This is so impressive! Netha, you are a force to be reckoned with!

(Sorry for the delay, catching up on my email today!)

-VAL

On Mon, Apr 1, 2013 at 8:28 AM, Netha Hussain  wrote:

FYI

Here is a report of the events conducted in India during the Women's History
Month in 2013.

Regards

Netha Hussain

-- Forwarded message --
From: Netha Hussain 
Date: Mon, Apr 1, 2013 at 8:52 PM
Subject: [Report] International Women's day events in India
To: wikimedia-in...@lists.wikimedia.org,
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Cc: Ditty Mathew , Pavithra H
, Rohini Lakshané ,
Out of India Managing Editor 



Dear all,

   The Women's History Month events, which ran during the month of  March in
India, has concluded. The event happened in Malayalam, English, Telugu,
Kannada and Hindi language Wikipedias.

Events:

The inagural event of the Women's day celebrations happened in Nirmala
Institute of Education, Goa. The workshop was led by Nitika Tandon and
Rohini Lakshane and arranged by Harriet Vidyasagar.

Two online edit-a-thons were conducted on English Wikipedia during the
second and third weekends of March. 14 users participated in the first
edit-a-thon and 5 users in the second.

A Wikipedia workshop for women was conducted in Ernakulam, Kerala to
familiarize women with Malayalam Wikipedia. The workshop was conducted by
Ernakulam Wikimedians and led by Ditty Mathew.

Free Software Movement of Karnataka conducted a workshop for women in Jyothi
Nivas College, Bangalore on 9th March 2013. Eight volunteers and 26
participants signed up for the event. Nine new articles were created as a
part of the workshop.

Led by Pavithra, Wikimedians from Bangalore organized a Wikipedia Workshop
for Women at ServeLots Infotech. 14 participants registered for the event,
and 9 of them participated.

A women for Wikipedia event was conducted in IIT-M, Chennai by FSFTN and
Wikimedia India on 31 March 2013. The event was coordinated by Anupama
Srinivas and Bala. Three new articles were created during the
hands-on-workshop conducted as part of this event.

Outcomes:

In Malayalam Wikipedia, 26 users signed up for the event. 107 new articles
were created and 13 articles were significantly expanded. 14 users
participated in the event in English Wikipedia, 19 new English articles were
created and one article was expanded. Two users signed up on Telugu
Wikipedia for the event.

Press:

The women's day events were given good coverage by the media. Links to the
articles on various newspapers are given below:

1. Times of India: http://goo.gl/t3E8d
2. Times of India Crest:
http://www.timescrest.com/society/world-wide-wiki-womens-web-dot-com-9981
3. Prajavani (kn): http://goo.gl/NSssJ
4. Loksatta (mr):
http://www.loksatta.com/mumbai-news/wikipedia-celebrate-international-womens-day-75560/
5. Kannada Prabha (kn) : http://archives.kannadaprabha.com/pdf/1032013/3.pdf

Led by Srijana Timsina, Nepali Wikiwomen are conducting Women's day
edit-a-thon in English and Nepali language Wikipedias. Articles which are
primarily of importance to Nepali women will be created during the
edit-a-thon.


Thanks to all Wikimedians who helped us to make this event a grant success.
All of you who created or significantly expanded articles would soon receive
barnstars from us!

In WikiLove
User: Netha Hussain




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Re: [Gendergap] seeking wiki-ninja for Wikipedia Loves Libraries Local History Project

[Sarah Stierch]

Hi Kelsey -

Is this listed publicly anywhere online? On a blog or as a job/internship
description ?

-Sarah


On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 11:47 AM,  wrote:

> Are you a Wikipedia content creator with a love of history, living in the
> area of Olympia, Washington? The Olympia Timberland Library is desperately
> seeking a Wiki-Ninja to help us develop and maintain our Wikipedia Loves
> Libraries Local History project. Our goal is to have regular editing and
> content creation sessions at the library, with the goal of improving
> articles related to the history of Olympia, Washington. We have a whole
> crew of enthusiastic local history buffs who are interested in helping with
> this project, but we are missing the key element to our success- someone
> with more Wikipedia knowledge than us who is willing to share their
> expertise. Our ideal Wiki-Ninja would be available for about 3-4 hours on
> Friday evenings 6 times per year (every other month) to teach the basics of
> writing and editing in Wikipedia. We can compensate for any travel expenses.
> Please get in touch if you have any questions or are interested in our
> Wikipedia Loves Libraries Local History Project-
>
>
>
> Kelsey Smith
> Adult Services Librarian
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> 313 8th Ave SE
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[Gendergap] Fwd: OKFN Nepal is organizing editathon Girls in ICT DAy

[Sarah Stierch]

Please see below.


-- Forwarded message --
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Date: 2013/4/23
Subject: [OKFN-Local-Coord] OKFN Nepal is organizing editathon Girls in 
ICT DAy
To: Open Knowledge Foundation Local Coordinators Mailing List 
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Hey Guys,

On the occasion of *Girls in ICT Day*, */Wikimedia Nepal/(Wiki Women) 
*with coordination of /*Open Knowledge Foundation Nepal*/ is organizing 
editathon in Sunway International Business School for girls. We are 
targeting 30 girls to make edit in nepali wikipedia specially in girls 
related content.


Event Date: 25 April 2013
Venue: Sunway International Business School, Mid Baneshwor (near be APEX 
clg/White House Clg)

Time: 8am-12pm


Thanks

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[Gendergap] [PRESS] Women Novelists Wikipedia: Female Authors Absent From Site's 'American Novelists' Page?

[Sarah Stierch]

From The Huffington Post

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/24/women-novelists-wikipedia-female-authors-american_n_3149345.html

Attention female authors: you may be being segregated from your male 
peers on Wikipedia. On the online encyclopedia's "American Novelists" 
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:American_novelists> page, women 
authors are hard to find. Instead they have been filed primarily under 
"American Women Novelists." 
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:American_women_novelists>


/Vanity Fair/ contributing editor Elissa Schappell 
<https://twitter.com/ElissaSchappell> made this observation and posted 
on Facebook Wednesday:


   Women Writers take heed, you are being erased on Wikipedia. It would
   appear that in order to make room for male writers, women novelists
   (such as Amy Tan, Harper Lee, Donna Tartt and 300 others) have been
   moved off the "American Novelists" page and into the "American Women
   Novelists" category. Not the back of the bus, or the kiddie table
   exactly--except of course--when you google "American Novelists" the
   list that appears is almost exclusively men (3,387 men). The
   explanation on the pages is that the list of American Novelists is
   too long, therefore sub-categories are necessary.
   Idea: What about, "American Novelists with Penises" "American
   Novelists Who Are Vastly Over-Rated and Over-Paid" or "American
   Novelists Who Aren't Being Read But Should Be" (Here you'd find a
   lot of women, people of color...)

   Want to see where you're sitting for eternity? Take a peek.

A disclaimer at the top of the American Novelists page reads, "This 
category may require frequent maintenance to avoid becoming too large. 
It should directly contain very few, if any, articles and should mainly 
contain subcategories." Schappell suggests that Wikipedia dealt with 
this space issue by moving the female authors off the page.


The Huffington Post reached out to Wikipedia for a response to 
Schappell's claims but so far has not heard back.


This is far from the first time that someone has expressed ire over the 
"second-class" treatment of female authors. VIDA, an organization 
dedicated to women in literary arts, pointed out that in 2011 the New 
York Times Book Review <http://www.vidaweb.org/the-2011-count> printed 
reviews of 520 male authors' books and only 273 books written by women.


In a recent blog post on The Huffington Post, author Liza Palmer wrote 
about thedouble standard that exists 
<http://www.huffingtonpost.com/liza-palmer/all-books-are-equal-but-s_b_3131794.html> in 
the literary world:


   All too often, when a woman writes a book about family and
   relationships the reader will sigh that she felt the narrator's
   inner monologues were "whiny" whereas when a male writer
   contemplates these same topics he is being "introspective." If a
   female writer uses humor in her dialogue she will be dismissed as
   "snarky", whereas if a male writer uses humor, he has a "biting
   wit." So called chick-lit writers get pinned with "predictable"
   endings, while male writers writing about the same topics have
   endings that are "satisfying."

Perhaps it's time that Wikipedia realized that both men and women are 
great American novelists and should show up when you search for them.



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Re: [Gendergap] [PRESS] Women Novelists Wikipedia: Female Authors Absent From Site's 'American Novelists' Page?

[Sarah Stierch]

Funny, I had no clue a "forced migration" was taking place - just shows you
how much happens in the one Wikipedia without others knowing (who are
highly active).

I'm glad to see the artists categories are still ok. We have American women
artists, but, I believe they are also listed in American artists (or their
respective type of art). I wonder what other categories have this issue?

-Sarah


On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 7:52 AM, Leslie Carr  wrote:

> Salon has also picked this up -
>
> http://www.salon.com/2013/04/25/wikipedia_moves_women_to_american_women_novelists_category_leaves_men_in_american_novelists/
>
> On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 4:13 AM, María Sefidari 
> wrote:
> > The New York Times also has an article about this:
> >
> >
> http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/28/opinion/sunday/wikipedias-sexism-toward-female-novelists.html
> >
> > Kind regards,
> >
> > María
> >
> > Enviado desde mi dispositivo móvil
> >
> > El 25/04/2013, a las 01:21, Sarah Stierch 
> > escribió:
> >
> >
> > From The Huffington Post
> >
> >
> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/24/women-novelists-wikipedia-female-authors-american_n_3149345.html
> >
> > Attention female authors: you may be being segregated from your male
> peers
> > on Wikipedia. On the online encyclopedia's "American Novelists" page,
> women
> > authors are hard to find. Instead they have been filed primarily under
> > "American Women Novelists."
> >
> > Vanity Fair contributing editor Elissa Schappell made this observation
> and
> > posted on Facebook Wednesday:
> >
> > Women Writers take heed, you are being erased on Wikipedia. It would
> appear
> > that in order to make room for male writers, women novelists (such as Amy
> > Tan, Harper Lee, Donna Tartt and 300 others) have been moved off the
> > "American Novelists" page and into the "American Women Novelists"
> category.
> > Not the back of the bus, or the kiddie table exactly--except of
> course--when
> > you google "American Novelists" the list that appears is almost
> exclusively
> > men (3,387 men). The explanation on the pages is that the list of
> American
> > Novelists is too long, therefore sub-categories are necessary.
> > Idea: What about, "American Novelists with Penises" "American Novelists
> Who
> > Are Vastly Over-Rated and Over-Paid" or "American Novelists Who Aren't
> Being
> > Read But Should Be" (Here you'd find a lot of women, people of color...)
> >
> > Want to see where you're sitting for eternity? Take a peek.
> >
> > A disclaimer at the top of the American Novelists page reads, "This
> category
> > may require frequent maintenance to avoid becoming too large. It should
> > directly contain very few, if any, articles and should mainly contain
> > subcategories." Schappell suggests that Wikipedia dealt with this space
> > issue by moving the female authors off the page.
> >
> > The Huffington Post reached out to Wikipedia for a response to
> Schappell's
> > claims but so far has not heard back.
> >
> > This is far from the first time that someone has expressed ire over the
> > "second-class" treatment of female authors. VIDA, an organization
> dedicated
> > to women in literary arts, pointed out that in 2011 the New York Times
> Book
> > Review printed reviews of 520 male authors' books and only 273 books
> written
> > by women.
> >
> > In a recent blog post on The Huffington Post, author Liza Palmer wrote
> about
> > thedouble standard that exists in the literary world:
> >
> > All too often, when a woman writes a book about family and relationships
> the
> > reader will sigh that she felt the narrator's inner monologues were
> "whiny"
> > whereas when a male writer contemplates these same topics he is being
> > "introspective." If a female writer uses humor in her dialogue she will
> be
> > dismissed as "snarky", whereas if a male writer uses humor, he has a
> "biting
> > wit." So called chick-lit writers get pinned with "predictable" endings,
> > while male writers writing about the same topics have endings that are
> > "satisfying."
> >
> > Perhaps it's time that Wikipedia realized that both men and women are
> great
> > American novelists and should show up when you search for them.
> >
> >
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Re: [Gendergap] Liz Henry on women novelists, English Wikipedia, and labelling

[Sarah Stierch]

Adrianne posted a nice response on a website. Probably the best response
I've seen so far:

http://hastac.org/blogs/wadewitz/2013/04/09/wikipedia-pushing-boundaries-scholarly-practice-gender-gap-must-be-address#comment-21716

To the point, from a Wikipedian point of view. I have been pretty
overwhelmed by the response to this - things have surely blown out of
proportion. I only hope that this engages more people to click edit.

-Sarah


On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 12:51 PM, Adeline Koh  wrote:

> FYI, I just got this link from Wikipediocracy responding to Liz Henry:
> http://wikipediocracy.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=2130&p=38953#p38953
> "She claims there was no systematic move to put women into a separate
> category. It looks like she is wrong though: in this 
> discussion<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category_talk:American_novelists#Sexist_and_other_discriminatory_subclassifications>
>  people
> are pointing out that a single editor, 
> *Johnpacklambert<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Johnpacklambert>
> * (T 
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Johnpacklambert>-C<http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&limit=100&target=Johnpacklambert>
> -L<http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&user=Johnpacklambert>
> ), made thousands of edits reclassifying biographies."
>
> Adeline Koh, Ph.D.
> Visiting Faculty Fellow,
> Humanities Writ Large, Duke University (Fall 2012-Spring 2013)
> Assistant Professor of Literature, Richard Stockton College
> Email: adeline@duke.edu or  adeline@stockton.edu
> Twitter: @adelinekoh
> w: http://adelinekoh.org
>
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 1:56 PM, Sumana Harihareswara <
> suma...@wikimedia.org> wrote:
>
>> Wikimedia community member Liz Henry blogs here:
>> http://bookmaniac.org/journalists-dont-understand-wikipedia-sometimes/
>> and does a little bit of digging into edit histories.
>>
>> "Just from these three samples, it does not seem that there is any
>> particular movement among a group of Wikipedia editors to remove women
>> from the “novelists” category and put them in a special women category
>> instead. I would say that the general leaning, rather, is to stop people
>> who would like to label women writers as women writers *in addition* to
>> labeling them as writers, claiming there is no need for Category:
>> American women writers at all and that it is evidence of bias to
>> identify them by gender. ... The sexist thing we
>> should be up in arms about isn’t labelling women as women! It’s the
>> efforts to delete entire categories (like Haitian women writers, for
>> example) because someone has decided that that meta-information is
>> unnecessary “ghettoization”..."
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[Gendergap] Please post your events on the WWC calendar

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Hi everyone,

There are no events listed online or offline on the WikiWomen's 
Collaborative calendar. Please don't forgot to add events there. People 
do visit the page!!


https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiWomen%27s_Collaborative

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Re: [Gendergap] Liz Henry on women novelists, English Wikipedia, and labelling

[Sarah Stierch]

Regardless...I'm beginning to feel like I'm the only person on earth who
feels having a category for "Women foo" is a good idea for the sake of
women's studies and feminist studies. I find immense value in categories
based around gender and ethnicity - it makes my writing and work a lot
easier (as a researcher who writes about women and minorities) when working
in Wikipedia and wanting to expand content about those subjects. As long as
they get listed in other appropriate non-gender/non-ethnicity/non-foo
categories, I think it's okay. We're not a library, we're an online
collaborative encyclopedia.

Even on Wiki, I feel like one of the few people voicing my opinion about it
only to get told I'm in the wrong. It's really depressing.

I almost feel like a jerk for feeling that way. Go figure.

-Sarah




On Sat, Apr 27, 2013 at 3:12 PM, Akhil Mulgaonker wrote:

> Women are inferior to men and exterminated like ants.
>
>
> On Sat, Apr 27, 2013 at 7:17 AM, Andrew Gray wrote:
>
>> The recent discussion on this (which never really came to a clear
>> consensus):
>>
>>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(policy)/Archive_101#Actresses_categorization
>>
>> - Andrew
>>
>> On 27 April 2013 01:49, Ryan Kaldari  wrote:
>> > If people are concerned about sexism in Wikipedia categories they
>> should be
>> > drawing attention to edits like this:
>> >
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Elizabeth_Gillies&curid=19682193&diff=536982107&oldid=536980531
>> >
>> > While the rest of the world is moving away from gender-specific job
>> names
>> > (like policeman and actress), Wikipedia is moving in the opposite
>> direction.
>> > That seems like a much worse problem than categorizing women as women.
>> >
>> > Ryan Kaldari
>> >
>> >
>> > On 4/25/13 11:34 PM, Shlomi Fish wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Hi all,
>> >>
>> >> On Thu, 25 Apr 2013 13:56:39 -0400
>> >> Sumana Harihareswara  wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Wikimedia community member Liz Henry blogs here:
>> >>>
>> http://bookmaniac.org/journalists-dont-understand-wikipedia-sometimes/
>> >>> and does a little bit of digging into edit histories.
>> >>>
>> >>> "Just from these three samples, it does not seem that there is any
>> >>> particular movement among a group of Wikipedia editors to remove women
>> >>> from the “novelists” category and put them in a special women category
>> >>> instead. I would say that the general leaning, rather, is to stop
>> people
>> >>> who would like to label women writers as women writers *in addition*
>> to
>> >>> labeling them as writers, claiming there is no need for Category:
>> >>> American women writers at all and that it is evidence of bias to
>> >>> identify them by gender. ... The sexist thing we
>> >>> should be up in arms about isn’t labelling women as women! It’s the
>> >>> efforts to delete entire categories (like Haitian women writers, for
>> >>> example) because someone has decided that that meta-information is
>> >>> unnecessary “ghettoization”..."
>> >>
>> >> Seems like good write-up and I tend to agree. It's too bad there was so
>> >> much
>> >> misunderstanding in the media about it.
>> >>
>> >> Regards,
>> >>
>> >> Shlomi Fish
>> >>
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Re: [Gendergap] Topless image retention on Commons and use on enwp

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Sorry if this gets a little off topic from the actual focus of the
subjects. I just need to personally vent and this gives me a chance (thanks
Katherine). I assume I can't be the only one who feels this way, and it
seems you might also.

I totally understand the "it depresses me" situation. I got involved in
some of the discussions about the women's foo categories only to get
bombarded with comments when I brought up "I don't know if anyone here is
even a woman involved, from what I know, I think I might be the only woman
here," and then to be snapped at "How do you know I'm not a woman?" by
someone with a male user name (Jeremy). I felt like a total fail, and
basically left the conversation only to get comments on my talk page. I
have officially declared I'm "burnt out" on any and all gender
conversations, specifically triggered by the recent category situation.

95% if not more of the people discussing all of these things are, from what
I believe, identifying on Wikipedia as the masculine. It's really troubling
for me, and right now I'm at the point where I just can't fight it right
now. I'm feeling depressed about it, hopeless, and all of the other fun
things that go with burn out. (Funny, I didn't suffer burn out this severe
when I was a fellow, but I did have two minor bouts of burn out during that
year, this is by far the worst)

I basically had to stop doing the painful nomination and arguing about
nudity and women's images on Commons. Part of this was because it was so
demoralizing and depressing, and the other was the repeated "You'll never
be an admin on Commons if you keep doing this," and I always wanted to be
an admin on Commons. The fact that I let this argument - being made by male
Commonists - trigger me to not participate in the conversations is an
entirely different psychological issue in itself! Oy vey.

Gah. :(

-Sarah


On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 8:08 AM, Katherine Casey <
fluffernutter.w...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Came across this kerfuffle today. I'd love to see what more
> gendergap-focused people think about the following progression of events
> (note: the image is NSFW, but each of the links I'm providing are SFW if
> you don't click through to the image/article):
>
>- 
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Exhibitionism#Image_at_top_of_page<---discussion
>  about whether to use an identifiable woman's topless photo
>on the top of an enwp article. The person raising the discussion notes
>that "*I find it hard to believe that this woman wants her picture on
>WP,  and I don't think we have a right to show her because of a momentary
>indiscretion in a public place."*
>-
>
> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/File:Mardi_Gras_Flashing_-_Color.jpg#File:Mardi_Gras_Flashing_-_Color.jpg<---Same
>  image is nominated for deletion on Commons, with similar rationale
>- The image is kept.
>- Discussion on enwp spins off from the same issue:
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:BLPN#Photos_of_private_people_doing_things_they_might_be_embarrassed_about_later,
>  splitting between one faction saying "It's legal, so it's fine" and
>another saying "It's a matter of ethics, not legality."
>
> Speaking personally, my takeaway from reading through this situation has
> gone through "mortification in empathy for the image subject, who was
> almost certainly drunk and unable to consent", "frustration with Commons's
> dismissive approach to the questioning of identfiable sexual images", and
> finally "realization that in all three discussions, I see *no *users who
> I know to be female. Not one. It seems quite likely that the issue of
> whether this woman's right to be protected by BLP extends to images of her
> breasts...is being discussed 100% by men."
>
> I don't quite know what my point is here, other than to note that to me,
> this feels very, very representative of the way women and women's issues
> are treated on WP and on Commons, even when we're supposed to be
> hyper-aware of the gendergap and its effects, and it depresses me.
>
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Re: [Gendergap] Topless image retention on Commons and use on enwp

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It's been so long since I've had a chance to vent on this list about this!

On 4/29/13 8:43 AM, Katherine Casey wrote:
Yeah, the sheer domination by numbers of masculine voices - even when 
they're not /trying /to argue from a particularly masculine 
perspective, can just be draining in situations like this. 
/Especially/ when they're not trying to argue from a particularly 
masculine perspective, frankly, because it's very hard to get across 
"I know you're not /trying /to ignore the value of a slightly 
different perspective, but..." without making them feel like they need 
to defend themselves and go on about how we're reading into them 
things they're not saying, they're not biased, men are capable of 
being open-minded, there's no single male perspective, etc. All those 
things are true, and before any of our male allies on this list get 
upset, I want to acknowledge that...but at the same time, that 
gender-related invisible knapsack 
<http://ted.coe.wayne.edu/ele3600/mcintosh.html> can just sort of 
steer male-dominated discussions in directions that a more 
gender-balanced conversation might not swerve, or might not swerve so 
strongly.


Ha! That is exactly what happened when I said I was no longer watching 
the page and I was disconnecting myself from the discussion on the 
Amanda Filipacchi article:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:SarahStierch#.22women.22_categories

I have never read that essay - thank you for sharing it! Interesting, I 
/was/ lucky that my education and my interest in punk rock music taught 
me about "skin color" privilege, wealth privilege, and male privilege, 
but, when I moved into different areas of work (and a flipside getting 
my masters which was 95% women in the program, however, majority were 
Anglo, which is another issue that museums - and open culture - are 
trying to sort out) it wasn't until I got involved (again) in the 
"gender fight", this time focusing on Wikipedia, that I realized what 
was happening. And it's often a challenge to walk the line of wanting to 
call out male participants in some regards, but also acknowledge allies. 
On an interesting twist, I even find that male allies are often unaware 
of who they sympathize with and the life they lead and how they got that 
life. It's really prominent in the tech industry, and I'm sure else where.


It's quite a challenge - I don't want to be the sexist jerk, but at the 
same time, there is a lot happening that people aren't realizing they 
are doing or a part of and it's hard to know how to educate them - or if 
you should even say "Oh, and thanks to all those white guys who built 
Wikipedia..I appreciate it...BUT..." which I find myself doing 
sometimes. And then I get comments on Facebook saying I'm being a jerk 
to the white guys and I just facepalm, because inside I'm laughing going 
"oh, poor white guy! Truth hurts!" I was also told recently "you should 
be more polite and have less attitude when you talk about gender issues, 
maybe more people would listen," (by a white European male who 
identifies as an anarchist who is prone to cursing). It's been 
emblazoned into my head, mainly because of who said it - not that it's 
changing my ways.


Commons, especially, is just completely dominated by certain 
viewpoints with regard to sexual images, and Sarah, you get tons of my 
respect for just /attempting /to function there, because I certainly 
can't do it. I might be able to handle an inadvertent boys-zone 
atmosphere - I hang out on enwp, after all - but my blood pressure 
just can't handle the level of aggression Commons bring to bear on 
anyone who dares speak for the deletion of potentially-damaging images.




I've had to stop. It's been months now since I even nominated a "nudie" 
image for deletion. I now just upload my images, and when I have time, 
or depending on my work, I do some gnomish stuff. After I was told (by 
white male editors) to curb my loud mouth behavior so I an become an 
admin someday, I totally stopped. I'm still shocked I let that happen - 
but, on the flipside, as you put it - it's terribly demoralizing, 
depressing, and painful to participate on Commons. I thought, if I could 
become an Admin, perhaps I could *really* make a difference. At least on 
Wikipedia you know there are some women, or at least active allies and 
women you can even call on when needed (canvasing isn't a policy :) ) 
for help or support. Most of the women I know go "Oh no, I'm not going 
on Commons, hell no!" LOL.



-Fluff

P.S. On re-reading the threads from my original email, I note that I 
was wrong about the "100% male" thing - Beria Lima commented twice. So 
uh, 99.999% male?



Ha! Glad at least one woman was there.

-Sarah

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[Gendergap] Report about the recent #GWWI event

[Sarah Stierch]

You can see it here:

http://dhpoco.org/2013/04/29/report-on-the-global-women-write-in-gwwi-friday-april-26/

And of course improve upon the content they wrote!

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Re: [Gendergap] Topless image retention -don't give up

[Sarah Stierch]

On 4/29/13 12:20 PM, Sarah wrote:


I was reverted when I tried to remove them all, so I started an RfC on 
the talk page, and alerted WikiProject Feminism. In turn, the editor 
who added them (who uses a woman's name) alerted WikiProject 
Pornography, so it seems likely that some at least will be kept; the 
article is now down to two images of porn stars and starts with 
Christine Lagarde, director-general of the International Monetary 
Fund. The editor who first added the images wrote on talk that, if we 
really want the images to be representative of women in general, "we 
should be looking for images of nurses, waitresses, school teachers, 
barmaids and prostitutes."



O_o

Well, we also know that PETA is a big fan of pushing celebrity - let 
alone naked celebrities (or "hot" models) for the sake of vegetarianism 
and animal rights. I'm sure that doesn't help the situation!


-Sarah

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[Gendergap] Joseph Reagle on Wikipedia's category taxonomy

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Sparked by the recent...situation..

http://reagle.org/joseph/pelican/social/wikipedia-and-gendered-categories.html

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[Gendergap] Categories hit NPR

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Gender gap's & WikiProject Feminism's own Kaldari is interviewed here:

http://www.npr.org/2013/04/29/179850435/what-s-in-a-category-women-novelists-spark-wiki-controversy

and User:Qworty in a not so pleasant light here:

http://www.salon.com/2013/04/29/wikipedias_shame/

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Re: [Gendergap] Joseph Reagle on Wikipedia's category taxonomy

[Sarah Stierch]

I agree with Risker. O_o - it's the whole "asking for it" mentality.

-Sarah

On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 8:07 PM, Risker  wrote:

> Michael, I have to say that I find your comment offensive.  NOBODY expects
> to be denigrated on Wikipedia, and being "privileged" is no excuse for
> doing so.  This is EXACTLY the kind of behaviour this list was created to
> try to modify.
>
> Risker/Anne
>
>
> On 29 April 2013 22:35, Michael J. Lowrey  wrote:
>
>> On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 9:15 PM, Joseph Reagle wrote:
>>
>>> On 04/29/2013 10:03 PM, Lady of Shalott wrote:
>>>
>>>> Interesting commentary as far as it went. I wish he'd delved a little
>>>> further into what he was saying.
>>>>  ...
>>>>
>>>> Just thinking out loud here...
>>>>
>>>
>>> I'm actually on this list :) and was just thinking out loud as well to
>>> see if I could understand the incident since I was seeing pretty strong
>>> claims (both "Wikipedia is sexist" and "this is journalism run amok.") For
>>> instance, people continue to report that Filipacchi is a reporter for NYT
>>> when these were op-eds.
>>>
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>> And nobody, of course, addresses the class issue: that Filipacchi is a
>> privileged scion of one of the largest global publishing companies, and is
>> not accustomed to having her own self-interest questioned in a classic
>> WP:BOOMERANG fashion by vulgar Wikipedians nobody who MATTERS ever heard
>> of.
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[Gendergap] Chemical Heritage Foundation's new Wikipedian in Residence

[Sarah Stierch]

It's official! The Chemical Heritage Foundation in Philadelphia,
Pennsylvania, has a Wikipedian in Residence...and it's a woman! They told
me it's official, and encouraged me to share the news (it's not online
yet).

This marks, as far as I know, the third woman Wikipedian in Residence in
the US! I'm so pleased. She's active in some great women's history projects
too:

https://twitter.com/MMOckerbloom

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mary_Mark_Ockerbloom

I'm so pleased with this decision! I know she has interested in doing
women's history stuff in relation to chemistry - so yay, more work for
WikiProject Women scientists :) I'm hoping I can get her to join this list!

-Sarah


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[Gendergap] Fwd: [GLAM-US] Reminder: Smithsonian Institution - paid Wikipedian in Residence applications are due today

[Sarah Stierch]

Please see below.

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Date: Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 8:57 AM
Subject: [GLAM-US] Reminder: Smithsonian Institution - paid Wikipedian in
Residence applications are due today
To: "glam...@lists.wikimedia.org" 


 Just a reminder that *today is the deadline* for applying to the
Smithsonian Institution to be our Wikipedian in Residence.  Get your
applications in before midnight!  Feel free to contact me if you have
questions.

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http://www.smithsonianofi.com/blog/2013/04/18/smithsonian-wikipedian-in-residence-internship/


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The Smithsonian Institution is seeking applicants for a Wikipedian in
Residence for Summer 2013.  This is an intern position.  Founded in 1846,
the Smithsonian is the world’s largest museum and research complex,
consisting of 19 museums and galleries, the National Zoological Park, and
nine research facilities (learn more <http://www.si.edu/About>).

The Wikipedian in Residence will help coordinate efforts across the
Smithsonian, strengthening the ongoing Smithsonian Institution WikiProject (
WP:GLAM/SI <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:GLAM/SI>), and acting
as a liaison to the Wikimedia community.

*Schedule:*  32-40 hours per week, minimum 10 weeks

*Stipend:*  $5000

*Location:*  Smithsonian Institution, Washington, DC.

*Eligibility and Skills:*

   - You must be enrolled in a full- or half-time college or university
   academic program for Fall 2013.  (If not, please explain in cover letter
   how your learning goals and interests match the learning objectives offered
   by this opportunity.)
   - You must be an experienced contributor to Wikipedia and the Wikimedia
   Commons and currently be in good standing within the community
   - Good communications skills and desire to strengthen them through oral
   and written presentation
   - Experience working in teams and interest in honing your ability to
   collaborate effectively

*This internship will provide an introduction to – *

   - the broad range of disciplines across science, history, art, and
   culture that the Smithsonian addresses through its collections and research
   
   - the many different people, organizational units, and systems that
   support the Smithsonian digital enterprise and how they work together

*Projects may include the following:*

   - *Sharing knowledge* – By instructing Smithsonian staff and answering
   questions about best practices and policies on Wikipedia and Wikimedia
   Commons, you will further master Wikipedia skills
   - *Events* – Gaining event planning experience by planning special
   outreach events such as a backstage pass & edit-a-thon,  photo scavenger
   hunt, or editing challenge
   - *Organizing categories* – Working with Smithsonian staff to analyze,
   optimize, and document Smithsonian-related
categories<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories>as
applied to articles and assets on Wikipedia and Wikimedia Commons
   
   - *Commons contribution* – Learning digital content management by
   helping identify and transfer appropriate digital content from the
   Smithsonian collections to Wikimedia Commons
   - *Technical tools *– Planning and creating tools and templates that
   will make it easier for Wikipedia editors to identify, use, and cite
   Smithsonian resources on Wikipedia

*How to Apply*

Your application must include:

1) Cover letter – Please explain why you would like to be the Wikipedian in
Residence at the Smithsonian.  Include your Wikipedia username and an
overview of your experience as a Wikipedia editor.  Be sure to discuss
WikiProjects that you have been involved with and describe the technical
and other skills you would bring.

2) Resume

3) College transcripts (unofficial) reflecting all post-high school
education
*Please submit all elements of the application as a single pdf by April 30,
2013, to:  **w...@si.edu* *.*

Questions?  Please send to w...@si.edu.

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[Gendergap] Adrianne Wadewitz's new blog "Who speaks for the women of Wikipedia? Not the women of Wikipedia."

[Sarah Stierch]

Adrianne raises a good point -

No women who edit Wikipedia have been featured in the press regarding the
recent categorygate (As we've started calling it!).

http://hastac.org/blogs/wadewitz/2013/04/30/who-speaks-women-wikipedia-not-women-wikipedia

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[Gendergap] Sue's blog about Categorygate

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 cared about the issue took to the
> “Talk” page of the “Woman” entry — this is where anyone can discuss the
> content of a page — and started to hash out how and why to improve.
> Eventually, everyone agreed to move those terms to the “Misogyny” entry.
>
> Not every discussion ends up working out so neatly, of course, but
> Wikipedians have worked hard on hammering out editing guidelines together
> (there’s even a mediation process for people who can’t agree on how a page
> should be edited). Where things start to get sticky is figuring out how to
> handle the bias that may influence those guidelines. For example, one of
> the principles of a Wikipedia entry is notability. How notable an item is
> can depend on how much it’s been referenced in 3rd-party sources, like
> academic journals or news articles. With the case of the novelists in the
> Times piece, verifying that a novelist who is a woman is notable could get
> complicated based on that guideline. Tech entrepreneur and author Lauren
> Bacon brought this to my attention in an email discussion: “If [writers who
> are women] can’t get equal representation in the literary review pages,
> then how can they get the necessary ‘credible source’ citations that
> Wikipedia demands in order to deem them a noteworthy individual?”
>
> I don’t expect Wikipedia to solve the sexism that exists in the world, but
> I do see it as a place for us to challenge the status quo of the sexism
> that surrounds us. And it’s not enough that we create an open system and
> say that everyone has the opportunity to work on it– we need to make
> intentional interventions into the status quo that involve raising the
> voices of those who are not heard as often. That’s just starting to happen,
> and I’m looking forward to seeing where we take it, together.
>
> –
>
> Many thanks to Sarah Stierch for sharing WikiWomen and the Teahouse
> resources with me.
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 5:42 PM, Sarah Stierch wrote:
>
>> I concur with Jimmy.
>>
>> On an feminist academic list I'm on a poster suggested the editor is a
>> "clueless busybody".
>>
>> I second that. I find value in "women's" categories as a feminist
>> academic. But this was just a situation of epic fail being exploded into a
>> gender-mess.
>>
>> Sarah
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Apr 25, 2013, at 5:37 PM, Jimmy Wales  wrote:
>>
>> > On 4/25/13 8:00 PM, James Alexander wrote:
>> >> Yeah, I think the discussion on the Categories for discussion page
>> will likely mean this steers towards conclusion relatively quickly as a
>> keep and merge option (keep them in the female category but readd them to
>> the general category).
>> >>
>> >> Though as a Wikipedian I tend to have the 'what's the problem? This
>> isn't sexist it's just more specific, we should have a male category too
>> but you aren't saying they aren't American novelists it's just repetitive
>> to have both" viewpoint. It confounds me how people wouldn't understand
>> that 'American women novelists' are obviously by definition included as
>> 'american novelists' as well and so don't need to be manually included in
>> both ...
>> > I urge everyone who is communicating on this issue to very strongly
>> avoid this approach.  It's just wrong and it makes us look really really
>> bad.
>> >
>> > It *is* sexist to have a category "American novelists" that contains
>> only men, and a subcategory "American female novelists" for the women.  It
>> is sexist
>> > because it assumes that "male" is the default and "female" is a special
>> case.
>> >
>> > There are several valid options, but that one is really not acceptable.
>> >
>> > It is very important that we emphasize to the press that the Wikipedia
>> community did not and does not approve of such categorization schemes.
>>  There is
>> > overwhelming shock and opposition to the very possibility.  What
>> happened here is apparently one editor working on gender separation and
>> being slightly
>> > clueless about the implications.
>> >
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[Gendergap] Waking up this morning and seeing that Cosmopolitan covered #categorygate

[Sarah Stierch]

With the title:

"Wikipedia's separate "American Female Novelists" category is way sexist."

Now all they are missing is the italics and valley girl voice over for *way
sexist*.

It's nothing new, reporting wise, but, it's there, and...it's on the Cosmo
website..and..GAHHH

http://www.cosmopolitan.com/celebrity/news/american-female-novelists-wiki

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Re: [Gendergap] Waking up this morning and seeing that Cosmopolitan covered #categorygate

[Sarah Stierch]

GAHH!! More fail.

/me notes, don't read Cosmo before coffee, it does read better than usual.
:)

-Sar


On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 8:32 AM, Joseph Reagle wrote:

> On 05/01/2013 11:24 AM, Sarah Stierch wrote:
>
>> It's nothing new, reporting wise, but, it's there, and...it's on the
>> Cosmo website..and..GAHHH
>>
>
> And, again, *wrong*: "who also happened to be a New York Times reporter"
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Re: [Gendergap] Sue's blog about Categorygate

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On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 8:39 AM, Risker  wrote:

> Thanks, Sarah.  I've got to ask...I've not seen some of those comments
> before on the "public" lists, and I subscribe to most of them.  Did I miss
> something?
>
>

Oh, that's from the Communications list. I failed to crop out all of the
other stuff when I forwarded it. Another "pre-coffee" fail on my part.

All the more reason why all lists should be open :)

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[Gendergap] Netha is quoted in Digital Trends about WWC!

[Sarah Stierch]

Not sure if she was interviewed or if these quotes are sourced from else
where, but nice to see someone showing off the efforts we're making in the
community instead of all of the other...crap going on.

http://www.digitaltrends.com/web/wikipedia-has-a-gender-problem/

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[Gendergap] Presentations at Wikimania related to gender gap

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Express your interest in attending these sessions by signing your username
at the bottom ().


   -
   
http://wikimania2013.wikimedia.org/wiki/Submissions/Bridging_the_Gender_Gap_with_Women_Scientists
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http://wikimania2013.wikimedia.org/wiki/Submissions/Towards_bridging_the_gender_gap_in_Indian_Wikimedia_community
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http://wikimania2013.wikimedia.org/wiki/Submissions/Encouraging_the_creation_and_development_of_articles_about_women_on_Ibero-America
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http://wikimania2013.wikimedia.org/wiki/Submissions/On_a_disparity_in_FOSS_and_wiki_communities_-_the_inherent_sexism_in_both_ignoring_or_addressing_the_gender_gap
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http://wikimania2013.wikimedia.org/wiki/Submissions/Promoting_diversity_in_the_German_Wikipedia#Interested_attendees
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http://wikimania2013.wikimedia.org/wiki/Submissions/Adopting_friendly_virtual_space_policy#Interested_attendees

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http://wikimania2013.wikimedia.org/wiki/Submissions/Womenedit_-_A_Network_for_Wikiwomen_in_Germany


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Re: [Gendergap] Topless image retention -don't give up

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I have friends who live up there. And I will be in the area in July.

I'll see if we can get "decent" photos of the hot springs.

Actually it might be federal land therefore we can get public domain images for 
it. I need to look into that when I am online.

The best thing to do: replace the crap with quality. Be bold. 

Sarah

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On May 8, 2013, at 9:49 AM, Nepenthe  wrote:

> The more I look into it, the more it seems like it's a pointless endeavor. 
> From the deletion discussions I've looked at 
> (http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/File:Save_the_Redwoods.jpg),
>  a photo of two nude young women in a tree considered in scope. After all, 
> it's been categorized! (Is that really all it takes? Absurd.) And it could be 
> used to illustrate the article on Bagby Hot Springs! 
> 
> Of the seven images Commons proposes to have illustrate encyclopedic articles 
> on Bagby Hot Springs, 3 are of nude women. 
> 
> It's female nudes all the way down.
> 
> Nepenthe
> 
> 
> On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 11:19 AM, Andreas Kolbe  wrote:
>> On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 2:24 PM, Mary Mark Ockerbloom 
>>  wrote:
>>> Regarding the question of "what can you do",
>>> I had the experience last week of starting a new job.
>>> I had to read through the guidelines for the organization,
>>> which included a section on Equal Opportunity and Freedom from Harassment.
>>> Prominent on the first page:
>>> 
>>> "Harassment Defined
>>> 1.  Hostile Environment
>>>  Harassment prohibited under this policy includes verbal, visual, or 
>>> physical conduct relating to matters of race, national origin, sex, sexual 
>>> preference, religion, age or disability which is unwelcome to the 
>>> reasonable person, and
>>> a. has the purpose or effect of interfering with a person's work 
>>> performance
>>> b. has the purpose or effect of creating an intimidating, hostile 
>>> or offensive working environment. "
>>> 
>>> Item 2 goes on to deal with more direct incidents such as "unwelcome sexual 
>>> attention, sexual advances," etc.
>>> 
>>> I also looked at the relevant page on Wikipedia, to see what Wikipedia's 
>>> policy is.
>>> (Sorry I don't have the link to hand to include.)  It covered item 2.
>>> But "Hostile environment", item 1 on my workplace's guidelines,
>>> is not included.
>>> 
>>> Note too that item 1 is not limited to sexual materials;
>>> this is not identified as a "feminist problem" but as a type of behavior
>>> potentially relevant and unacceptable to anyone.
>>> 
>>> I would suggest that one reason that it's hard to get people to address
>>> this sort of situation is that it's not clearly identified at a high level 
>>> as unacceptable
>>> behavior which creates a "hostile environment"
>> 
>> 
>> A very interesting point, which reminded me of "The Benevolent Dictator 
>> Incident":
>> 
>> http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/Benevolent_dictator_incident
>> 
>> Wikimedia has a "friendly space" policy for physical meetings, but 
>> apparently no exact equivalent for its online environment. 
>> 
>> To give an example, Commons has a "hot sex barnstar", present on a number of 
>> user talk pages, which does not appear to have violated any Wikimedia 
>> policy, judging by its existence for more than a year now. The imagery is 
>> grossly pornographic, and would be unacceptable in almost any workplace 
>> outside of the adult entertainment industry:
>> 
>> NSFW: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Hot_sex_barnstar.png
>> 
>> Similar imagery is sometimes found on user pages.
>> 
>> It is widely accepted that the open display of pornographic photographs or 
>> drawings is a key contributor to a sexually hostile workplace. This is 
>> something that could have been addressed as part of the Foundation's terms 
>> of use:
>> 
>> https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Terms_of_Use#4._Refraining_from_Certain_Activities
>> 
>> However, the present terms of use appear to permit anything that is not 
>> outright illegal. If the Wikimedia Foundation is serious about addressing 
>> the gender gap, why does it not apply customary workplace standards to its 
>> online environment? 
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Re: [Gendergap] Topless image retention -don't give up

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Another idea -

Perhaps we can create a working list of articles that need better photos and 
are using absurd sexualized images etc as their photos.

Obviously "sex" articles wouldn't always fall into thy category, but, I'm 
thinking more stupid things like the hot springs article.

Instead of wiki loves we can call it "wiki hates stupid sexist gross photos in 
articles that so don't need them"

I'm not starting the list...though. I'm suffering from severe "gender gap" burn 
out.

Sarah

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On May 8, 2013, at 9:49 AM, Nepenthe  wrote:

> The more I look into it, the more it seems like it's a pointless endeavor. 
> From the deletion discussions I've looked at 
> (http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/File:Save_the_Redwoods.jpg),
>  a photo of two nude young women in a tree considered in scope. After all, 
> it's been categorized! (Is that really all it takes? Absurd.) And it could be 
> used to illustrate the article on Bagby Hot Springs! 
> 
> Of the seven images Commons proposes to have illustrate encyclopedic articles 
> on Bagby Hot Springs, 3 are of nude women. 
> 
> It's female nudes all the way down.
> 
> Nepenthe
> 
> 
> On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 11:19 AM, Andreas Kolbe  wrote:
>> On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 2:24 PM, Mary Mark Ockerbloom 
>>  wrote:
>>> Regarding the question of "what can you do",
>>> I had the experience last week of starting a new job.
>>> I had to read through the guidelines for the organization,
>>> which included a section on Equal Opportunity and Freedom from Harassment.
>>> Prominent on the first page:
>>> 
>>> "Harassment Defined
>>> 1.  Hostile Environment
>>>  Harassment prohibited under this policy includes verbal, visual, or 
>>> physical conduct relating to matters of race, national origin, sex, sexual 
>>> preference, religion, age or disability which is unwelcome to the 
>>> reasonable person, and
>>> a. has the purpose or effect of interfering with a person's work 
>>> performance
>>> b. has the purpose or effect of creating an intimidating, hostile 
>>> or offensive working environment. "
>>> 
>>> Item 2 goes on to deal with more direct incidents such as "unwelcome sexual 
>>> attention, sexual advances," etc.
>>> 
>>> I also looked at the relevant page on Wikipedia, to see what Wikipedia's 
>>> policy is.
>>> (Sorry I don't have the link to hand to include.)  It covered item 2.
>>> But "Hostile environment", item 1 on my workplace's guidelines,
>>> is not included.
>>> 
>>> Note too that item 1 is not limited to sexual materials;
>>> this is not identified as a "feminist problem" but as a type of behavior
>>> potentially relevant and unacceptable to anyone.
>>> 
>>> I would suggest that one reason that it's hard to get people to address
>>> this sort of situation is that it's not clearly identified at a high level 
>>> as unacceptable
>>> behavior which creates a "hostile environment"
>> 
>> 
>> A very interesting point, which reminded me of "The Benevolent Dictator 
>> Incident":
>> 
>> http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/Benevolent_dictator_incident
>> 
>> Wikimedia has a "friendly space" policy for physical meetings, but 
>> apparently no exact equivalent for its online environment. 
>> 
>> To give an example, Commons has a "hot sex barnstar", present on a number of 
>> user talk pages, which does not appear to have violated any Wikimedia 
>> policy, judging by its existence for more than a year now. The imagery is 
>> grossly pornographic, and would be unacceptable in almost any workplace 
>> outside of the adult entertainment industry:
>> 
>> NSFW: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Hot_sex_barnstar.png
>> 
>> Similar imagery is sometimes found on user pages.
>> 
>> It is widely accepted that the open display of pornographic photographs or 
>> drawings is a key contributor to a sexually hostile workplace. This is 
>> something that could have been addressed as part of the Foundation's terms 
>> of use:
>> 
>> https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Terms_of_Use#4._Refraining_from_Certain_Activities
>> 
>> However, the present terms of use appear to permit anything that is not 
>> outright illegal. If the Wikimedia Foundation is serious about addressing 
>> the gender gap, why does it not apply customary workplace standards to its 
>> online environment? 
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Re: [Gendergap] Topless image retention -don't give up

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t;>
>>> http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/Benevolent_dictator_incident
>>>
>>> Wikimedia has a "friendly space" policy for physical meetings, but
>>> apparently no exact equivalent for its online environment.
>>>
>>> To give an example, Commons has a "hot sex barnstar", present on a
>>> number of user talk pages, which does not appear to have violated any
>>> Wikimedia policy, judging by its existence for more than a year now. The
>>> imagery is grossly pornographic, and would be unacceptable in almost any
>>> workplace outside of the adult entertainment industry:
>>>
>>> NSFW: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Hot_sex_barnstar.png
>>>
>>> Similar imagery is sometimes found on user pages.
>>>
>>> It is widely accepted that the open display of pornographic photographs
>>> or drawings is a key contributor to a sexually hostile workplace. This is
>>> something that could have been addressed as part of the Foundation's terms
>>> of use:
>>>
>>>
>>> https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Terms_of_Use#4._Refraining_from_Certain_Activities
>>>
>>> However, the present terms of use appear to permit anything that is not
>>> outright illegal. If the Wikimedia Foundation is serious about addressing
>>> the gender gap, why does it not apply customary workplace standards to its
>>> online environment?
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Re: [Gendergap] Topless image retention -don't give up

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Just to follow up - the English Wikipedia article about the Babgy Hot
Springs does not depict any nudity in the images:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bagby_Hot_Springs

At this point, I'm so over fretting about "porny" stuff on Commons - I'm
more concerned about personality rights - but, if it doesn't end up on
Wikipedia - which is the most used of all of "our" websites, then I'm not
really losing sleep over it unless personality rights are involved.
(Meaning "naked photo of woman/man who doesn't know their naked photo is on
Commons under a free license.")

-Sarah


On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 9:49 AM, Nepenthe  wrote:

> The more I look into it, the more it seems like it's a pointless endeavor.
> From the deletion discussions I've looked at (
> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/File:Save_the_Redwoods.jpg),
> a photo of two nude young women in a tree considered in scope. After all,
> it's been categorized! (Is that really all it takes? Absurd.) And it could
> be used to illustrate the article on Bagby Hot Springs!
>
> Of the seven images Commons proposes to have illustrate encyclopedic
> articles on Bagby Hot Springs, 3 are of nude women.
>
> It's female nudes all the way down.
>
> Nepenthe
>
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Re: [Gendergap] Topless image retention -don't give up

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On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 10:44 AM, Andreas Kolbe  wrote:

> On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 6:15 PM, Sarah Stierch wrote:
>
>> Andreas - when you say "until the Foundation does something," what are
>> you looking for them to do?
>>
>
>
> Sarah, change has to come from the top: from Sue and the board. As far as
> I am concerned, they have failed abysmally. There have been words and PR
> exercises, and no deeds.
>

Oy vey. Always drama used in your words Andreas! :) I don't think I've ever
seen you post a success story or a positive comment on this mailing list
ever.


>
> One idea was raised just now: Enshrine the equivalent of the friendly
> space policy that applies to meet-ups in the terms of use, to apply to the
> online environment. Treat it like any workplace environment. Make clear
> that sexism, including inappropriate use of sexual imagery, will not be
> tolerated.
>
>
I actually brought this on in the civility policy discussion a while back
(or something like it), and it was shot down vehemently by the community.
Someone has submitted a proposal for Wikimania to discuss it. I encourage
you to attend if you can:

http://wikimania2013.wikimedia.org/wiki/Submissions/Adopting_friendly_virtual_space_policy

Two of the most vocal and active community members in the movement are
already signed up to attend as "critics" of it.



> Here is another: redefine the scope of Commons, making it clear that the
> more sordid and pointless contributions are not welcome.
>
>
The community would have to do that. Wikimedia Foundation doesn't do that.
Wikimedia Foundation didn't invent Commons or create the scope for Commons,
as far as I know. (I could be wrong though.) So I'm not sure why that would
fall into the scope. If Wikimedia stepped in and said "Ok Commonists, here
is your new scope," all hell would break lose and we'd most likely have a
fork.



> The Foundation should have cleaned up the festering sore that is Commons
> ("ethically broken", as Jimmy Wales called it recently) years ago. It has
> lacked the will to do so.
>


Andreas, you consistently have a negative outlook on things. I agree that
Commons is a really screwed up strange place. Jimmy and I have both gotten
ourselves into trouble in the community fanatically nominating and trying
to delete content. However, you're constant negative and jerky attitude
towards the Foundation makes them 10 times more unlikely to ever support
something *you* want to see change in. Channelling your anger into positive
productivity might be a better thing to get people to take notice and want
to make a change. But, that's just my opinion. You and I have similar
opinions on what needs to happen on Commons, but, we disagree on where it
needs to come from - and I think you have the opportunity to help lead to
make the change. I really do.


>
> Without support from the top it is no surprise that people like you burn
> out, or simply stop challenging certain issues, because doing so makes you
> an outcast in the community that assembles under those conditions.
>
>
I chose to take on these "tasks" myself. I applied to be a WIkimedia fellow
for a year who lived and breathed the gender gap - no wonder I'm burnt out.
And when you're the "go to" person, it happens. I'm grateful, but, even I
want to step away and not think about "the gender gap" sometimes.

This happens to most people, especially women (note: when was the last time
you saw a man state he was burnt out?), and the Foundation has nothing to
do with it, trust me. Sure, I'm severely disappointed at the change in
scope and the removal of funding to support women's outreach outside of
community grants. For months I had to sit at my desk and stare at a big
sign saying WMF wanted to increase the number of women editors, knowing my
fellowship was ending and no one at the Foundation would be funded to
continue that work on a large scale. It's been tough, but, so many women
have stepped up to make a change...

And now we need more people to stop bitching and make the change. And all I
see here is a lot of bitching.


Here is what you said a few days ago:
>
> ---o0o---
>
> I basically had to stop doing the painful nomination and arguing about
> nudity and women's images on Commons. Part of this was because it was so
> demoralizing and depressing, and the other was the repeated "You'll never
> be an admin on Commons if you keep doing this," and I always wanted to be
> an admin on Commons. The fact that I let this argument - being made by male
> Commonists - trigger me to not participate in the conversations is an
> entirely different psychological issue in itself! Oy vey.
>
> ---o0o---
>
> Again, without support from the top, 

[Gendergap] Program Evaluation and Design Workshop - Apply to attend! - June 22-23, Budapest

[Sarah Stierch]

[please pardon this crossposting]

Hello everyone!

I am pleased to announce the first Program Evaluation and Design Workshop!

   - *When*: 22–23 June 2012
   - *Where*: Budapest, Hungary

The application process is now open. We have only 20 slots available for
this workshop and the application deadline ends on May 17th. This two-day
event will be followed by a pre-conference workshop at Wikimania 2013.
Ideally, applicants would commit to attending both events.

*Why are we offering this workshop?* Over the next couple of years, the
Wikimedia Foundation will be building capacity among program leaders around
evaluation and program design. A better understanding of how to increase
impact through better planning, execution and evaluation of programs &
activities will help us to move a step closer to achieving our mission of
offering a free, high quality encyclopedia to our readers around the world.

*What will take place at this and the following workshops?* Our long-term
goals are:

   1. Participants gain a basic shared understanding of program evaluation
   2. Participants will work collaboratively to map and prioritize
   measurable outcomes, beginning with a focus on the most common program &
   activities
   3. Participants will gain increased fluency in common language of
   evaluation (i.e. goals versus objectives, inputs & outputs versus outcomes
   & impact)
   4. Participants will learn and practice how to extract and report data
   using the UserMetrics API
   5. Participants will commit to working as a community of evaluation
   leaders who will implement evaluation strategies in their programmatic
   activities and report back at the pre-conference workshop at Wikimania 2013
   6. …and participants will have a lot of fun and enjoy networking with
   other program leaders!

We will publish a detailed agenda for the event in Budapest soon on meta.

*Which programs & activities are we going to focus on?* During the workshop
in Budapest, we will only have a limited amount of time. Therefore, we will
be focusing on the some of the more common programs & activities:

   - *Wikipedia editing workshops* where participants learn how to or
   actively edit (i.e. edit-a-thon, wikiparty, hands-on Wikipedia workshop)
   - *Content donations* through partnerships with GLAMs & related
   organizations
   - *Wiki Takes/Expeditions* where volunteers participate in day/weekend
   events to photograph site specific content
   - *Wiki Loves Monuments* which takes place in September
   - *Education program/classroom editing* where volunteers support
   educators who have students editing Wikipedia in the classroom
   - *Writing competitions* which generally take place online in the form
   of contests, WikiCup, and challenges – often engaging experienced editors
   to improve content.

 *Who should apply?* Community members who play an *active role* in
planning and executing programs & activities as described above in the
Wikimedia community. Your experience and knowledge will make this workshop
a success!

*What about the costs for travel and accomodation?* Hotels, flights and
other transportation costs will be on your chapter; the Wikimedia
Foundation will provide the venue, handouts, breakfasts and light lunches,
and a dinner for all participants on Saturday. If you're not affiliated
with a chapter and cannot afford to attend the event, please send me a
private email – we have a small amount of money set aside for those cases.

Applications are open until May 17. You can apply via this Google
Form<https://docs.google.com/a/wikimedia.org/forms/d/11yCoOls5ae8FqAXIdp9Tua76ilVQGUNKWMVSktCQBRU/viewform>
.

Thanks for your interest, and I look forward to a great group of
participants!
-Sarah

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Re: [Gendergap] Program Evaluation and Design Workshop - Apply to attend! - June 22-23, Budapest

[Sarah Stierch]

Gah!! That's embarrassing.

Yes, 2013.

Sadly we're severely limited on funding. If I had my way, we'd fund
everyone, but, sadly we can't. (And based on surveying in Milan, most
interested participants were willing to fund themselves or have chapters
fund them).

But it's important to let everyone know about the event!

-Sarah


On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 11:43 AM, Risker  wrote:

> Travel is often an issue for people, but time travel even more so.  I
> assume that's 2013?
>
> Risker/Anne
>
>
> On 8 May 2013 14:21, Sarah Stierch  wrote:
>
>> [please pardon this crossposting]
>>
>> Hello everyone!
>>
>> I am pleased to announce the first Program Evaluation and Design Workshop!
>>
>>- *When*: 22–23 June 2012
>>- *Where*: Budapest, Hungary
>>
>> The application process is now open. We have only 20 slots available for
>> this workshop and the application deadline ends on May 17th. This two-day
>> event will be followed by a pre-conference workshop at Wikimania 2013.
>> Ideally, applicants would commit to attending both events.
>>
>> *Why are we offering this workshop?* Over the next couple of years, the
>> Wikimedia Foundation will be building capacity among program leaders around
>> evaluation and program design. A better understanding of how to increase
>> impact through better planning, execution and evaluation of programs &
>> activities will help us to move a step closer to achieving our mission of
>> offering a free, high quality encyclopedia to our readers around the world.
>>
>> *What will take place at this and the following workshops?* Our
>> long-term goals are:
>>
>>1. Participants gain a basic shared understanding of program
>>evaluation
>>2. Participants will work collaboratively to map and prioritize
>>measurable outcomes, beginning with a focus on the most common program &
>>activities
>>3. Participants will gain increased fluency in common language of
>>evaluation (i.e. goals versus objectives, inputs & outputs versus outcomes
>>& impact)
>>4. Participants will learn and practice how to extract and report
>>data using the UserMetrics API
>>5. Participants will commit to working as a community of evaluation
>>leaders who will implement evaluation strategies in their programmatic
>>activities and report back at the pre-conference workshop at Wikimania 
>> 2013
>>6. …and participants will have a lot of fun and enjoy networking with
>>other program leaders!
>>
>> We will publish a detailed agenda for the event in Budapest soon on meta.
>>
>> *Which programs & activities are we going to focus on?* During the
>> workshop in Budapest, we will only have a limited amount of time.
>> Therefore, we will be focusing on the some of the more common programs &
>> activities:
>>
>>- *Wikipedia editing workshops* where participants learn how to or
>>actively edit (i.e. edit-a-thon, wikiparty, hands-on Wikipedia workshop)
>>- *Content donations* through partnerships with GLAMs & related
>>organizations
>>- *Wiki Takes/Expeditions* where volunteers participate in
>>day/weekend events to photograph site specific content
>>- *Wiki Loves Monuments* which takes place in September
>>- *Education program/classroom editing* where volunteers support
>>educators who have students editing Wikipedia in the classroom
>>- *Writing competitions* which generally take place online in the
>>form of contests, WikiCup, and challenges – often engaging experienced
>>editors to improve content.
>>
>>  *Who should apply?* Community members who play an *active role* in
>> planning and executing programs & activities as described above in the
>> Wikimedia community. Your experience and knowledge will make this workshop
>> a success!
>>
>> *What about the costs for travel and accomodation?* Hotels, flights and
>> other transportation costs will be on your chapter; the Wikimedia
>> Foundation will provide the venue, handouts, breakfasts and light lunches,
>> and a dinner for all participants on Saturday. If you're not affiliated
>> with a chapter and cannot afford to attend the event, please send me a
>> private email – we have a small amount of money set aside for those cases.
>>
>> Applications are open until May 17. You can apply via this Google 
>> Form<https://docs.google.com/a/wikimedia.org/forms/d/11yCoOls5ae8FqAXIdp9Tua76ilVQGUNKWMVSktCQBRU/viewform>
>> .
>>
&

Re: [Gendergap] Topless image retention -don't give up

[Sarah Stierch]

Quick email - traveling -

Pete makes a good point and in the end that's what I'm failing (but trying) to 
suggest: we have the same conversation every 6 months.

We need to do something more substantial. When drama hits on wikimedia-l the 
Foundation (I'm a volunteer on this list, as my department doesn't do anything 
with TOS, etc) comments, the community drafts things on meta, and sometimes 
change happens - here, we just get irritated and talk in circles and the 
Foundation seems to not even notice our concerns. And when I do rage about it 
at the office, it falls on the ears of people who have nothing to do with 
policy/TOS change and/or I just look like the "bitchy gender gapper" and 
everyone states at me with blank eyes. 

What can WE do to get the Foundation to take MORE notice? Or the Board? We need 
to do something. Something bigger than 6 same people talking on this list. The 
last "impact" we made regarding some form of policy was the personality rights 
template almost 1-2 years ago. 

And I agree with Sarah - if this was about racism or "extreme situations" I 
think the Foundation would be stepping up. The only people in the press writing 
about Wikipedia's "porn problem" is Greg Kohs. And that isn't even "real" 
press, it's the freaking Examiner. 

Perhaps someone should write an oped about it. I have media connections - and 
if it could be a woman, preferably, all the better. I cannot do it. 

I bet if people knew more about the "real" hardcore (no pun intended) 
situations going on regarding sexism on Wikipedia (ie categories are silly 
compared to what is happening here) perhaps people would finally click and want 
to change things

We have grassroots efforts to get more women and academics to write Wikipedia 
now around the world.

We need a grassroots effort for more than just that, and the same people can't 
keep doing it all without risking their sanity and burn out.

What the hell is it going to take to get people here raged enough that they 
want to do MORE then talk on this list? 

Sarah

Sent from my iPhone

On May 8, 2013, at 11:51 PM, Sarah  wrote:

> On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 10:58 PM, Pete Forsyth  wrote:
>> On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 10:27 PM, Sarah  wrote:
>>> Hi Sarah, the terms of use come from the Foundation.
>>  
>> Sarah, 
>> 
>> I know this is a tangent to what you're talking about, but I think it's an 
>> important point. Last year's rewrite of the terms of use was guided by 
>> Foundation staff, but in my view and that of many others was a model project 
>> for how to follow the knowledge and wisdom that exists within our community. 
>> There was draft text from WMF counsel, but in a two month+ period it was 
>> radically altered and expanded by a process led by numerous volunteers and 
>> community members. WMF staff provided legal expertise, but went out of itse 
>> way to express that the knowledge of how to align the TOU with the 
>> movement's goals resided primarily within the community, and created a space 
>> in which that could be explored and articulated.
>> 
>> While it does not do much to address concerns about gender, I believe that 
>> the TOU rewrite was a big success, both in terms of modeling how the 
>> volunteer community can lead and WMF can facilitate and play a support role; 
>> and also in terms of the quality of the final document.
>> 
>> Of course, these documents can be rewritten, and I'm sure this one will be 
>> rewritten in a few years. Before that, though, will be a rewrite of the 
>> Privacy Policy, which actually may be a more suitable document for some of 
>> these concerns. I encourage everyone on this list to participate when the 
>> time comes for that, which I think will be a matter of weeks or months.
>> 
>> Pete
>> [[User:Peteforsyth]]
> 
> Thanks, Pete, that's helpful. Would you mind pinging us when the privacy 
> policy discussions begin? I'm sure there will be lots of notifications, but 
> it's really easy to miss the significance of these things.
> 
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Re: [Gendergap] Topless image retention -don't give up

[Sarah Stierch]

further to explain how such content can be seen as harassing and
> damage an environment where people can work together productively.
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:User_pages
>
>
Yes, but that's a user page. Remember the pregnancy article drama? Talk
about an unsafe place - especially the talk page. Sexy pregnancy naked
model or clothed "normal" woman who is pregnant? Hmm tough call. We better
make a bunch of sexist and sexualized jokes to help figure it all out and
then post photos...hmmm



> It's also worth noting on the subject of Commons that WMF did _not_
> withdraw the Controversial Content resolution from May 2011, only the
> personal image hiding feature component thereof. The resolution also
> contained other recommendations consistent with reinforcing the
> educational scope of Wikimedia Commons:
>
> https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Resolution:Controversial_content



Yes, and times and times again people like me, Kaldari, and others have
said "YOU CAN HELP CURATE PLEASE COME TO COMMONS AND HELP" and *it's so rare
* (uhalmost never?) that anyone does come and help that it's still a
hopeless cause. Everyone wants to edit Wikipedia but no one wants to help
clean up Commons. If Wikipedia needs more voices...imagine what's happening
in Commons. Bad things.

And the community lives and breaths that "NOT CENSORED" clause. If I had a
dollar for how many times I had it thrown in my face on Commons deletion
discussions, followed by an appalling break down as to why a photo of
another penis is important because of the shape and size and where it can
be used on projects and that "We can't prove if that it's someone under 18
even though the description says it, we don't know for sure," I'd be rich
enough I could invest all my money in something less demoralizing and
retire in Paris and help the French fight their freedom of panorama fight.

That "not censored" thing needs to die a big dramatic death. It's so
stupid.


> On the last point, it's not dropped off our radar. Better media
> patrolling and review tools are on the agenda for the new multimedia
> engineering team which we're currently hiring for. Lowering the
> barrier to flag media that have no realistic educational value (for
> whatever reason) may help create a greater culture of shared
> responsibility for curating Commons and keeping it useful, rather than
> allowing personal interests to dominate small group discussions.
> Thoughts on how software design could positively affect user behavior
> and lead to increased diversity in decision-making are greatly
> appreciated.
>
>
I had no clue about this, and most people here probably didn't. Thanks for
letting us know. I really hope that when this team starts, they don't
forget about the gender gap list, like many people often do :)



> Is there a page on Meta already where we're coordinating overall
> policy reform issues relating to the gender gap (whether WMF or
> community policies) that should be considered?
>
> Erik
>


http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Gender_gap/Policy_revolution

There is now. Folks need to remember - Wikipedia is where Wikipedia policy
is developed, meta is where larger scale policy is developed. So it's the
best place to be for this type of work right now.

Sarah

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[Gendergap] Space on Meta to discuss policy change interests - please help!!!!!

[Sarah Stierch]

Please see and [EDIT] here:

http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Gender_gap/Policy_revolution

Meta is where large scale policy change and discussion takes place. I
really hope people will help build this page out.

I have limited time right now that I can completely absorb into this sadly,
so it's important other people come along. I also can't risk more burn out,
or I'll be useless, right? :)

It's also important that women and those who identify as women help out.
I'm reviewing the policies that have been developed recently that Erik
shared and the majority of them were developed, written and lead by men.
While that could be "well and good," it's critical that women have a say in
this.

Just like [[pregnancy]] it's important that women have their voices heard -
and maybe some of you don't care about these concerns, that's important,
too!

Thanks,

Sarah

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Re: [Gendergap] Topless image retention -don't give up

[Sarah Stierch]

Hi, I have some comments inline.





> ---o0o---
>
> This image, originally posted to Flickr, was reviewed on 3 March 2013 by
> the administrator or reviewer Mattbuck, who confirmed that it was available
> on Flickr under the stated license on that date.
>
> ---o0o---
>
> Zero concern for model consent to this use of the file.
>
>
As long as that is the accepted standard of behaviour in Commons, I'd be a
> fool to waste my time contributing there.
>
>

Andreas, just curious, have you tried nominating anything like this for
deletion with citing the board statement? I think we start experimenting
with that (I can't do that right now, as I'm in an airport restaurant and
not feeling comfortable looking at that image right now!). I'm curious how
that would work.

We could develop a process:

1) Nominate for deletion with that clause called into play (since our
challenges for being non-education or out of scope will be challenged most
likely)
2) If challenged on discovering model consent, generic email letter
developed to "email" Flickr account owner (since that's often the plague of
this)
3) If account is deleted, the image should be deleted assuming no other
acceptance of model agreement is able to be discovered based
on anonymity of model and deletion of Flickr account.
4) Fight the good fight on Commons.

Perhaps we can develop something like that. Seriously, for years, it's
often been..me, pete, Kevin, and Kaldari (and if you've been involved,
forgive me for not listing you) who have nominated content for deletion.

Again "stop bitching, start a revolution" comes into play here.



>
>
> Frankly, what difference does it make when it is the considered judgment
> of the Commons community not to give a toss about such uploads, not to give
> a toss about 18 USC 2257 compliance, and the Foundation sees no reason to
> intervene.
>
>

This is where it falls two ways IMHO:

1) It's up to US to start *trying* to implement said compliance
2) If it's not being complied too, we need to know who to contact

And if that means sending a crap ton of emails to le...@wikimedia.org, so
be it. Right? Because we aren't informed of any other type of action to be
taken in the TOS, or whatever other policies developed by the board. Unlike
copyright infringement, nothing is suggested on what *we* can do when this
stuff is happening.


We can try to implement, and then when it fails, directly contact the
Foundation.

Seriously, sitting here on this mailing list is great, we're getting
conversation started (Again) about it, but...we need to do more!

-Sarah




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Re: [Gendergap] Accidental Troll Policy - beyond gender gap

[Sarah Stierch]

I'm glad to hear that Gayle.

But please remember - female admins get it bad, but, the "attention" I got,
wasn't "upped" when I became an admin. Yes, i'm a bit more of a "known"
person than perhaps other women in the community (right now) but...I know
women (Cristamuse, Slim Virgin, just to name two) who deal with plenty of
crap and *ARE NOT* admins.

Please remember..it's not just admins. The moment you become a highly
active publicly identified female on Wikipedia, you are automatically prone
to sexualized comments (friendly or not..."sweetie, lassie, etc." or
"you're so pretty"))), harassment, and so forth.

Admins get it pretty damn bad, but non-admins get it bad too. And I don't
want us to forget that, and that's why I think it's so important that women
get support - any editor on that matter.

The moment you make edits to articles like "feminism" "mens rights"
"pro-choice" "pro-life" "pregnancy" etc, you are in the minefield.

-Sarah


On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 6:04 PM, Gayle Karen Young wrote:

> One of the things I talked to one of the female admins about is figuring
> out how to better support them in the stuff they have to deal with, and
> it's on my radar. That's just an FYI.
>
>
> On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 5:57 PM, phoebe ayers wrote:
>
>> (changing the topic back)
>>
>>
>> On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 5:29 PM, Sylvia Ventura wrote:
>>
>>> Anne, you're absolutely right on the 'high profile'. The broader the
>>> reach, impact, exposure, the more likely you are to become the target of
>>> good and bad 'attention'. The question is, much like in real-life, the
>>> higher up you are in an organization the more 'support' and/or protection
>>> you will likely need/get, as a community  should we be able to insure a
>>> similar mechanism. This community resilience won't be built on a MadMax
>>> fighting-your-way-through model (I know it's rather dramatic :)
>>>
>>>
>> From all the stories I've heard over the years, admins and arbitrators
>> get the worst of it -- being in a position where you delete articles or
>> mediate disputes on the project (and let's face it, the folks who get into
>> arbitration-type situations on wikipedia are often not the most stable or
>> reasonable people on earth) seems to be the most direct way to potentially
>> exposing yourself to lots of harassment. And if you're identified as
>> female, it's way worse.
>>
>> Conversely from my experiences being pretty visible on the
>> *organizational* side of things (and talking to colleagues), there is a low
>> level of harassment that comes with that gig, but *nothing* like the horror
>> stories I've heard from some admins.
>>
>> This is clearly untenable; the projects need to grow experienced
>> contributors who can serve in positions of leadership and as mentors on the
>> projects, and we can't expect everyone to just suck it up ("so sorry, you
>> will have to work with crazy people"). I worry that folks often just find
>> themselves unsupported. I don't know what the answer is.
>>
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[Gendergap] Don't let the man get you down

[Sarah Stierch]

All the more reason why I love free knowledge and open sharing.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Angela_Davis_enters_Royce_Hall_for_first_lecture_October_7_1969.jpg

An image of Angela Davis, never published until recently, now available
under an open license.

"Radical simply means 'grasping things at the root." - Angela Davis

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[Gendergap] Two days left to apply: Program Evaluation & Design Workshop in Budapest, June 22-23

[Sarah Stierch]

[pardon the cross-post]

Hello everyone,

*This is a reminder that there are 2 days left to apply to attend the first
Program Evaluation & Design Workshop, which will take place in Budapest,
June 22-23. Applications close at 12 AM PST May 17.*

Please review this recent blog announcing the event:

https://blog.wikimedia.org/2013/05/09/program-evaluation-workshop-budapest/

*Wikimedia community members, chapter staff/volunteers, solitary volunteers
- anyone who is a program leader is encouraged to apply. Please note, we
have only 20 slots available and limited funding to support attendees. If
you do apply, you must email me at sa...@wikimedia.org if you are
requesting funding before/after you apply. *

We will be filming our workshop, so don't fret if you cannot attend this
first one, or aren't accepted to attend this time.

*You can get a better taste for the event through our evolving Meta Event
page: *

http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Program_Evaluation_and_Design/June_2013_Workshop

Thank you Wikimedia Magyarország for your support and assistance.

-Sarah

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Re: [Gendergap] Category:Nude portrayals of computer technology

[Sarah Stierch]

Hi,

I'd like to ask that people don't use this mailing list to get into in
depth explanations of what the images look like. Simply saying "NSFW" is
good enough for me.

I can tell by reading the captions 1) I don't want to look at them 2) I
don't want to hear what they look like.

It's as uncomfortable for me to read and hear the descriptions, as it is
for me to see the descriptions.

Thanks,

Sarah

who is no longer a moderator here, but had to say something.


On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 5:43 PM, Nepenthe  wrote:

> Bling-bling - 
> table.jpg<http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Bling-bling_-_table.jpg>(An 
> image of a young, thin, nude woman on hands and knees and long black
> hair obscuring here in side view. A vase is placed on the small of her back
> and rhinestones on her flank read "") is in use on the
> fr.wikipedia's article on sexual objectification.
>
> Torso of nude woman with facebook like 
> button.jpg<http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Torso_of_nude_woman_with_facebook_like_button.jpg>is
>  being used on a Russian wikinews article about Facebook's like button. I
> guess the fact that it's painted onto a nude woman is a bonus? It's also
> used on pt.wikipedia's body painting article.
>
> Outer labia 
> piercing.jpg<http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Outer_labia_piercing.jpg>(Close
>  up of a female crotch wearing pink panties pushed aside to reveal a
> large ring piercing through the outer labia. Another person's hand, with
> ""  written in rhinestones, is pulling on the ring. Get it! Link!) is
> used on a number of genital piercing articles.
>
> Need to stop. Too depressing.
>
>
> On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 6:17 PM, Ole Palnatoke Andersen  > wrote:
>
>>
>> http://toolserver.org/~magnus/glamorous.php?doit=Do+it!&category=Nude+portrayals+of+computer+technologyshould
>>  answer George's question. It takes a while loading and it isn't
>> worksafe - unless you can get away with thumbnails
>>
>> -Ole.
>>
>>
>> On Sat, May 18, 2013 at 1:10 AM, George Herbert > > wrote:
>>
>>> I'm at work and can't really get away with looking at the gallery images
>>> from here without trouble.  However...
>>>
>>> Has anyone looked at them to see where (if anywhere) they are in use on
>>> projects?
>>>
>>> -george
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 3:46 PM, Nathan  wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'm sure EVula knew that Commoners wouldn't abide his deletion of
>>>> their fap galleries. They've never liked it much before, and this
>>>> gallery is even nerdy! Double whammy. The uploader freaked out with
>>>> inspiring rapidity.
>>>>
>>>> The arguments given in a previous deletion review are instructive;
>>>> only the most mechanical reading of the project scope policy, in the
>>>> way most charitable to retaining pornographic collections, were even
>>>> considered. The closer said, paraphrasing: "Pornographic? Sure, don't
>>>> care. Objectifies women? Sure, don't care. Not useful on another
>>>> Wikimedia project? Sure, don't care. It was on Flickr, so they must
>>>> have consented to publication on Commons, case closed."
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Re: [Gendergap] start Porno related list?? can the Commons images thread move?

[Sarah Stierch]

Yeah this list seems to have turned into the "porn on Commons" list again.

Perhaps someone can create a commons task force or something.

I'd rather not wake up every single morning to "naked women on Commons"
subjects. I'd either fork it someplace else, take it to wiki, or..

I'm all about the conversation, but, it's basically getting overwhelming. I
don't think I should have to 1) unsub 2) go to digest 3) file my Gmail so I
don't get gender gap emails.

And if I do digest, file into my gmail, and unsub, then I'll well...just
stop participating as a whole knowing my own participation style with those
formats.

-Sarah


On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 11:14 PM, Carol Moore DC
wrote:

> How about starting a list just for these porno related discussions?
>
> Most women won't find these photos to be turned off by them, so it is
> slightly off topic.
>
> Just announce a new thread here and then people who want to discuss can
> join that list.
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> I'm seriously thinking of dropping off because it's just too much...
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[Gendergap] Fwd: [Wikimedia-l] Hiring Community Liaisons (Contract)

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 trust
   these people for the relationship to function.
   -

   Self-motivated - they will be given important projects and expected to
   execute with little to no supervision.
   -

   Strongly empathetic - they excel at understanding the perspectives of
   others and bridging the gap between different approaches to the world.
   -

   Willing and able to remain resilient in the face of frustration from our
   users, in order to get the job done.


Pluses

Other positive attributes or areas of knowledge include:

   -

   Diverse language skills. While the Wikimedia Foundation communicates
   internally in English, we aim to be able to talk to our different
   communities natively.
   -

   Experience with the software development process. You will be thrown
   into teams that are actively working on new features; having a background
   that reduces the slope of your learning curve is a plus.
   - Familiarity with multiple Wikimedia projects is a major plus; we are
   about more than just Wikipedia.

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[Gendergap] Women on the list: what have you been editing lately?

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I figure it's high time to start a positive (or call to action oriented)
focus thread again that is focused on empowering women on this list to
share.

Women - and those who identify as - what have you been editing lately?

---

I've been working hard at building my "to do" lists for the crowdsourcing
aspect of my World Digital Library project. I miss having time to edit and
write larger articles, but, that isn't in the cards yet.

On the flipside, I've been helping out at Articles for Creation again. We
have a backlog of over 1000!!!
 :)

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Re: [Gendergap] Category:Nude portrayals of computer technology

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When someone said "how come no one makes a big deal about category:foo when
category:blahporn is always getting messed with!!"

and i ended up nominating a ton of crappy flower photos for deletion.

It was pretty funny, and dear god there are some crappy flower photos. Why
have crappy photos. It's like we are doing a disservice!

But, yeah, I'm sure for the most part people aren't sitting around and
searching for porno on Commons. I think there are better places for that.

I use Commons to look at bird pr0n (birds..like...real...birds...the one's
that fly and have feathers) and pinball machines. So whatever.

Sarah
ps who can now say all these scary things cause she's now an admin on
Commons ;)


On Thu, May 23, 2013 at 5:47 PM, Russavia wrote:

> Hi Joseph et al
>
> On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 5:27 AM, Joseph Reagle wrote:
>
>> On 05/23/2013 02:58 PM, Jane Darnell wrote:
>>
>>> How strange that people take the trouble to upload those!
>>>
>>
>> I've been wondering about this myself. Why do people port collections of
>> images from Flickr CC to Commons in the first place? If someone really
>> needed a weird nude picture for an article, they could still find it at
>> Flickr and import it then. (This might be part of my bias that WC is
>> supposed to support other projects and not be an inclusive repo of all CC
>> content in the world.) Indeed, I wonder what percentage of WC resources is
>> not used by an affiliated project?
>
>
> Simply put, because Commons is a repository of freely licenced media. We
> now have over 17 million files on Commons, so it is likely that a large
> percentage of files are not in use, but alas being a repository we hold
> such collections for potential future use.
>
> One of my favourite "porn" categories is
> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:All_Nippon_Airways_aircraft_at_Tokyo_International_Airport
>  (I
> use "porn" because in some minds its all Commons hosts and not much else).
>
> Do we require 773 photos of All Nippon Airways aircraft at Tokyo
> International Airport? Probably not, but as you can see it has a wide range
> of aircraft, individual registrations, different stages of aircraft
> operation (take-off, landing, taxiing, etc), different views of aircraft in
> operation, etc. Most of those photos are from a single photographer --
> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Files_from_Kentaro_Iemoto_Flickr_stream
>  --
> he relicenced his stream after I contacted him -- nearly 4,000 photos of
> all sorts of aircraft, airlines, airports, views, etc, etc, etc.
>
> This one category makes most sexuality categories pale in comparison. But
> yet we don't see anything being said about this category.
>
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Re: [Gendergap] Category:Nude portrayals of computer technology

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On Thu, May 23, 2013 at 6:12 PM, Russavia wrote:

> Well you do realise that now you are an admin your days of browsing any
> type of pr0n are behind you. ;)
>
> You are right, no-one in their right mind would use Commons to search for
> pr0n. I just did a search for big dick on Google, and there is one result
> from a WMF project in the Top 100 results --
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dick_Donato -- obviously picked up because
> he was on BIG brother. But amongst the other 99 results from the top 100
> there are all sorts of sites one would go to if they wanted to see, well,
> big dick. :)
>
>
I must admit. This had me LOLing and almost spitting this delicious beer on
my laptop.


> In relation to the category Alison raised -- are they in scope? Who the
> hell knows. I am very liberal minded, and have a very liberal
> interpretation of scope as it pertains to our projects, and while I
> struggle to see scope in those images, I am sure there might be some sort
> of scope there -- even if they were to illustrate an article on the gender
> gap in computer sciences -- would that be an encyclopaedic topic?
>


Crazy insane idea: notability guidelines for media categories?

/me hides

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[Gendergap] Crazy big list of red links about women subjects

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Dsp13/Redlinks/Women

Not sure if anyone's seen that...but O_o

Get to work! ;)

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Re: [Gendergap] Crazy big list of red links about women subjects

[Sarah Stierch]

Yeah let's get a translating/writing party going.

Great excuse for small wiki parties at home, too!

Sent from my iPhone

On May 28, 2013, at 5:40 PM, Ole Palnatoke Andersen  wrote:

> Wow. I copied the list to Danish Wikipedia (but didn't save - only preview), 
> and *one* link turned blue there: http://da.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matilde_Bajer
> 
> Feel free to translate it. :)
> 
> Ole
> 
> 
> On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 7:09 PM, Sarah Stierch  
> wrote:
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Dsp13/Redlinks/Women
>> 
>> Not sure if anyone's seen that...but O_o
>> 
>> Get to work! ;) 
>> 
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Re: [Gendergap] Crazy big list of red links about women subjects

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Perhaps we can have these lists combined.

I don't have time to do it right now. It'd maybe be good to have the large
list made more public someplace.


WP Women's History or something, and I advise the same for other languages.

If people knew this list existed, we could get some progress made on it.
And having it on user spaces and scattered in various places doesn't help
much.

Just a suggestion. Perhaps someone can be be bold and do it (since I
can't!)

Sarah


On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 7:53 AM, Katie Chan wrote:

> Some of the recent fellows and foreign members of the
> Royal Society can do with articles too -
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_female_Fellows_of_the_Royal_Society ,
> with others expanded
>
> KTC
>
>
> On 29 May 2013 13:53, keilanaw...@gmail.com  wrote:
>
>> There's a list of missing women scientists over at WikiProject Women
>> Scientists and another at
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Dsp13/Biographical_Dictionary_of_Women_in_Science.We
>>  are still missing a ton of women scientists, and they are usually
>> perfect candidates for DYK! (unsubtle plug was unsubtle...)
>>
>> But seriously, that's another good resource for missing articles on
>> notable women.
>>
>> Kei
>>
>> Sent from my HTC One™ S on T-Mobile. America’s First Nationwide 4G
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>> - Reply message -
>> From: "Federico Leva (Nemo)" 
>> To: "Increasing female participation in Wikimedia projects" <
>> gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org>
>> Cc: "Ole Palnatoke Andersen" 
>> Subject: [Gendergap] Crazy big list of red links about women subjects
>> Date: Wed, May 29, 2013 3:33 AM
>>
>>
>> Ole Palnatoke Andersen, 28/05/2013 23:40:
>> > Wow. I copied the list to Danish Wikipedia (but didn't save - only
>> > preview), and *one* link turned blue there:
>> > http://da.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matilde_Bajer
>>
>> it.wiki has several but usually existing elsewhere too... except
>> https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elena_Herrera
>> But luckily also not models:
>> https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Esther_Mujawayo (this is an Italian
>> publisher's merit).
>>
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Re: [Gendergap] Crazy big list of red links about women subjects

[Sarah Stierch]

Well whatever works.

A "list of lists" is fine with me. Meaning page that points to 
collections about women related subjects needing improvement.


There are just tons of lists (I have a few on my own user space) that 
are spread out. It'd be ideal to have one repository space for people to 
browse.


Alas, I don't have time to create the list, so...whoever decides to do 
it...I trust them to make the best decision.


-Sarah

On 5/29/13 9:35 PM, Risker wrote:




On 29 May 2013 10:58, Sarah Stierch <mailto:sarah.stie...@gmail.com>> wrote:


Perhaps we can have these lists combined.

Actually, I'd really suggest not doing that, or only having links to 
smaller lists in a central location.  With the exception of DSP's 
list, each of these lists is small enough to feel "achievable", but 
putting them into one really big list makes the task look and feel 
overwhelming.  Creating 10 articles in a smaller grouping makes a 
significant dent. Creating 10 articles on DSP's list barely scratches 
the surface, and I'd question whether such a redlist actually 
constitutes a reasonable working list even just considering its 
smaller chunks.  A passing mention in a single book, or membership in 
a professional association, does not make for notability, but that 
does seem to be where several of DSP's sublists are coming from.   (A 
random sampling of the "women psychoanalysts" shows that many would 
not to pass even our ridiculously low notability standards.)


In other words, smaller lists are more likely to be done than long 
lists, and are also much more likely to be "adopted" by one or a small 
group of editors. It's how *successful* wikiprojects have operated for 
years. They have clear focus, they have specific objectives, and they 
support systems that give their members a sense of accomplishment 
rather than leaving them feeling as though they could slave away for 
months on end without having an effect.



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[Gendergap] how sewing circles became secret queer celebrity love fests

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Where I expected to read about sewing circles and sewing bees...

I get an article about lesbian/bisexual actresses secretly having
relationships?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sewing_circles

The best part is I just linked it off of an article about Sarah Allen, the
"Founding Mother" of the African Methodist Episcopal Church. I almost feel
like I should remove the link until the article is improved.

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[Gendergap] Fwd: [Wikimedia-l] Join the GAC! Deadline extended by one week

[Sarah Stierch]

Forwarding this along...is a great opportunity to work with some great
passionate people. It's always great to have more diversity :)

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From: Asaf Bartov 
Date: Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 4:33 AM
Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Join the GAC! Deadline extended by one week
To: Wikimedia Mailing List 


Hi, folks.

Due to some last-minute interest, I've extended the deadline to Aug 27th.
 So you are still welcome to join the Wikimedia Foundation's Grant Advisory
Committee, and help review and advise on all grant proposals in the Project
and Event Grants program[1].

Take a look and sign up!
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grant_Advisory_Committee/Candidates

(please also relay to your local/language lists.)

Cheers,

   Asaf

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Re: [Gendergap] WikiProject Feminism Open Tasks

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and please don't forget WikiProject Women's history. I'm generally more 
active there than I am on the feminism project these days :) 

Many sisters edit there! 

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On Aug 28, 2013, at 1:10 PM, Carol Moore dc  wrote:

> Just cleaning up my email I realized I had missed this email about the New 
> School/FemTechNet project. The announcement and links look well within Wiki 
> policy parameters of recruiting more editors  interested in a topic and in an 
> area where the Wikimedia Foundation wants more recruits. It's a good model as 
> opposed to some past ones that may have emphasized pov pushing and off wiki 
> organizing and/or canvassing.  
> 
> There's more discussion on 
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Feminism#Subpage_and_joint_efforts.3F
> 
> On 8/23/2013 12:07 PM, Adrianne Wadewitz wrote:
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Feminism/Open_tasks
>> 
>> The Wikistorming group at FemTechNet has created this open tasks list at 
>> WikiProject Feminism in part to try and centralize all of the lists of 
>> gender-related articles to develop. Please add your list here if you have 
>> developed one in the past or are developing one. Thanks!
>> 
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Re: [Gendergap] Minor explosion on dawiki

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In the US we call it "pink washing."

It does attract some women. And then there are others who absolutely turned
off by it.

I'll let you guess what category I fall into ;)


On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 1:26 PM, Ryan Kaldari wrote:

> While I personally don't mind the color pink, I have to say that the hot
> pink globe logo makes me cry a little inside.
>
> Ryan Kaldari
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 5:04 AM, Russavia wrote:
>
>> From: https://da.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_for_kvinder in
>> the info on WikiWednesday, part of what is done is:
>>
>> "Sladre om de andre brugere"
>>
>> Bwahahahahaha, if that's not reinforcing stereotypes, what is? :)
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 7:28 PM, Ole Palnatoke Andersen
>>  wrote:
>> > You never know with allergies - it could be a recent development :-)
>> >
>> > More seriously: I guess pink is given the connotations of cutesy,
>> > little-girl-donesn't-know-a-thing and such.
>> >
>> > -Ole
>> >
>> >
>> > On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 1:25 PM, Russavia > >
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> And here is Sanne wearing pink badges --
>> >>
>> >>
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/7405752@N06/2513156755/in/photolist-4Q5zWT-4Q9PEs
>> >>
>> >> And here is Sanne standing directly next to some big arsed pink
>> >> balloons --
>> >>
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/7405752@N06/2513983346/in/photolist-4Q9PEs
>> >>
>> >> I am guessing that she isn't the one with the problem with pink?
>> >>
>> >> If so, *facepalm*
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 7:17 PM, Ole Palnatoke Andersen
>> >>  wrote:
>> >> > Yesterday, stand up comedienne Sanne Søndergaard* ** noticed
>> "Wikipedia
>> >> > for
>> >> > kvinder"***, dawiki's portal for women, and her reaction was
>> "WTF?"
>> >> >
>> >> > The discussion on Facebook has had its ups and downs. One particular
>> >> > down is
>> >> > a lot of name-calling amongst the women in the discussion. It
>> appears,
>> >> > however, that some people are allergic to pink, and that some people
>> >> > find
>> >> > the text condescending and patronising.
>> >> >
>> >> > The kerfluffle has caused quite a lot of views on the portal - on
>> >> > ordinary
>> >> > days, it has ~20-30 hits; yesterday 5159. *
>> >> >
>> >> > Oh, and at WikiWednesday the day after tomorrow, we'll probably talk
>> >> > about
>> >> > pinkness and stuff.**
>> >> >
>> >> > Regards,
>> >> > Ole
>> >> >
>> >> > *) http://solosanne.dk/
>> >> > **) https://da.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanne_S%C3%B8ndergaard
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Re: [Gendergap] Renewing gender gap conversations on meta

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WikiWomen's Collaborative aims to improve contributions of women on any
project, but, we mainly focus on Wikipedia and Commons right now since
that's where I mainly contribute and I'm still the primary person who does
the social media for the program.

I did bounce around the idea of starting a affiliate or usergroup for WWC,
but, my capacity won't allow it anytime soon.

-Sarah


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> This might be a dumb question, but are there any ongoing GenderGap
> related efforts right now outside of content projects (i.e. other than
> on a Wikipedia etc.)? Is there a thematic organization focused on it,
> or any significant research or outreach grants or programs? It seems
> like an obvious candidate for an affiliate group, but I don't recall
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Re: [Gendergap] Renewing gender gap conversations on meta

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Do keep me posted it something comes out of the diversity conference. I'd
like to be involved in the formation if a usergroup if it's possible.

I talked to people in Hong Kong about forming a group to advise for
Wikimania and provide a safe space for women to hang out and to provide a
space for anyone (regardless of gender) to come if anything happens (sexual
assault, harassment, and it never fails to happen). And I could see a group
like that helping with that.

I'm not attending the diversity conference, unfortunately, so I look
forward to hearing any outcomes about a user group.

Thanks Sydney for taking the lead!

-Sarah


On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 12:31 PM, Sydney  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> To my knowledge there is not a true Wikimedia affiliated organization
> focused on the gender gap. But I would like to change that. :-)
>
> It is on the list of ideas from the WMF gathering. I was thinking of an
> user group as a first step.
>
> At the diversity conference next month  I was planning to launch it if
> there was interest but we can go ahead and start the discussion now.
>
> Sydney Poore
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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> On Oct 16, 2013, at 15:22, Nathan  wrote:
>
> > This might be a dumb question, but are there any ongoing GenderGap
> > related efforts right now outside of content projects (i.e. other than
> > on a Wikipedia etc.)? Is there a thematic organization focused on it,
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Re: [Gendergap] Renewing gender gap conversations on meta

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Nathan, you mentioned hiring a contractor or a staff member. I was a fellow
last year, and I did all of that (speaking at conference, media outlets,
generate initiatives, etc.) but the focus of WMF changed so my contract
wasn't extended and a position was not formed. And some of us - Adrianne,
Netha, myself - spend a large portion of our volunteer time devoted to
this. I've stopped sending press coverage to this mailing list - but, we
just got done with a big push for Ada Lovelace Day events, which was
covered in everything from the BBC to Al Jazeera. I also speak at
conferences, as do many other women on this list. We just don't post it
here.

WMF also pulled out of GLAM-Wiki work - so I see it as this: a chance for
the community to lead the fight. And get money as needed from WMF as
possible. That's what the GLAM-wiki community has done. And that's sort of
what we have to do, and find specific people at WMF who can provide support
as needed (Siko, Anasuya, me, etc) and find money as needed (WMF has it)
and organize a bit more and get going.

that's what WWC was formed for - a grass roots effort inspired by the
women's movements of the past (and kinda present but not really these
days), it's just been next to impossible to find people to take WWC to the
next level (a user group).

But, it's frustrating as hell, for me, at least.

-Sarah


On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 12:31 PM, Nathan  wrote:

> It just seems like there is a lot of sort of low-hanging fruit
> opportunity that the WMF could take advantage of if its serious about
> really addressing the issue. Why not hire an activist of sorts to be
> either a WMF employee or a grant funded contractor, who can develop
> initiatives, speak at conferences and to media outlets, etc.? Generate
> attention by participating in general tech communities and
> tech/education conferences open to gender panels and speakers, solicit
> reporting from news outlets and blogs, literally even place advertised
> invitations to edit in venues with high visibility to women.
>
> That's the thing, imho, that's been missing from this list and from
> the WMF since the gender gap was identified as a serious (data
> supported) problem: big picture activism and effort. One thing we've
> realized as a community is that a lot of the small-bore outreach
> efforts don't work well, so why not devote more resources to
> large-bore recruitment? I'm not saying nothing has been done - indeed,
> Sarah and Sue and others have put a ton of effort out, but it appears
> to me that the WMF could be a lot more dedicated to it than it has
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[Gendergap] Sue Gardner Reddit AMA right now

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Hi everyone,

FYI, Executive Director of the Wikimedia Foundation, Sue Gardner, is
participating in an "Ask Me Anything" on Reddit. It's on a women-centric
board, which is generally a safe and friendly space to participate (for
those of who you hate Reddit!).

http://www.reddit.com/r/TwoXChromosomes/comments/1qk097/im_sue_gardner_i_run_the_wikimedia_foundation/

Hope you'll join in!

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[Gendergap] Hotties are always hot

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Stumbled across this tonight.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:HOTTIE

I have never seen that before!

"For example, as a general rule, girls named Tiffany and Alicia are almost
always hot. Girls named Bertha and Bessie... not so much."

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[Gendergap] WikiProject Women artists has launched

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Hi everyone,

Inspired by the work WikiProject women scientists has been doing - and
despite helping to found the project and doing many an event about women
scientists, art is my true love, and the only two good articles I have
under my belt are about artists...so...I decided to take some action :)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Women_artists

Help is needed in a few areas:

1) *Bot savvy Wikipedians:* Checking to see if I set up announcements,
assessment (using WP 1.0 bot), and JL-Bot for quality content correctly. No
action has happened yet, and I always am worried I set those things up
wrong.

2) *Help expand the worklist*
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Women_artists/Worklist

3) *Tag appropriate articles* with our template
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Women_artists#Templates

And once we get a workslist, we can start inviting people to join via the
template I made.

I am hoping to use this as a platform to experiment with women artist
contests, too.

Now, we just need to find some women artist-scientists so we can do some
cross-project collaborations :)

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Re: [Gendergap] WikiProject Women artists has launched

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I started this project to focus on visual/performance art - the top of the page 
explains what the project encompasses.

If someone wants to start Wikiproject women writers, women actresses, women 
farmers, Wikiproject women musicians go for it.


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> On Nov 27, 2013, at 9:20 AM, Shlomi Fish  wrote:
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> Hi all,
> 
> On Wed, 27 Nov 2013 08:37:40 -0800
> Sarah Stierch  wrote:
> 
>> Hi everyone,
>> 
>> Inspired by the work WikiProject women scientists has been doing - and
>> despite helping to found the project and doing many an event about women
>> scientists, art is my true love, and the only two good articles I have
>> under my belt are about artists...so...I decided to take some action :)
>> 
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Women_artists
>> 
>> Help is needed in a few areas:
> 
> This sounds like a commendable project, but one thing I am missing after
> reading the description, is which kind of artists it encompasses. Is it
> limited to art like painting, sculpting, computer graphics, animation, or
> does it also encompass art such as music, creative writing, acting[1], etc.? 
> Can
> you please clarify your intentions on the page?
> 
> Regards,
> 
>Shlomi Fish
> 
> [1] - I'm not sure if there's significant Wikipedia bias for female artists in
> these artistic areas, but I'm still interested if they fall under the umbrella
> of the Women Artists WikiProject.
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[Gendergap] Art and Feminism Edit-a-thons - Feb 1

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Hi everyone,

Feb 1 2014 a series of Wikipedia edit--a-thons are taking place across
North America, and hopefully in other places too, about art and feminism!
 (#artandfeminism)

I'm attending the San Francisco event, which will take place the Wattis
Institute for Contemporary Arts.

Additional events are taking place in Toronto, New York, Chicago and else
where.

Learn more and sign up here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Meetup/ArtAndFeminism

And consider hosting your own event, too!

New and experienced editors with a passion for feminism and art welcome!
Spread the word, please.

-Sarah

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Re: [Gendergap] Help: Research on whether we have made any difference?

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[Gendergap] [Event!] April 5 - WikiWomen Edit-a-thon - Berkeley, California

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Hi everyone,

We're hosting our first edit-a-thon during my role as the Susan B. Miller
Fellow at the Berkeley Center for New Media, at the University of
California, Berkeley.

The event will open with a brief review of Wikipedia policies and
procedures, and launch into editing.

If you find yourself in the area on April 5, please join us, and spread the
word through your channels.

You can register on Wikipedia:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Meetup/Berkeley/WWUCB

And also spread the word via Facebook:

https://www.facebook.com/events/216336355227032/

You can also participate remotely by using the #WikiWomen hashtag. See you
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Re: [Gendergap] 19th Century Indian women who attended med school in the U.S.

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Please don't forget to add any articles about women completed or improved
during the month of March to the WikiWomen's History Month outcomes page:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiWomen%27s_History_Month/Outcomes


On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 5:15 AM, Jodi Schneider wrote:

> Well-spotted, Michael.
>
> I created a draft EN article for Dora Chatterjee -- anybody want to give
> it an edit?
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dora_Chatterjee
>
> The other two have EN articles already:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anandi_Gopal_Joshi
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gurubai_Karmarkar
>
> -Jodi
>
> PS: More on women in medicine, including some redlinks:
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_in_medicine
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 3:06 AM, Michael J. Lowrey 
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>>
>> http://scroll.in/article/remarkable-photos-of-19th-century-indian-women-in-us-medical-school?id=659624
>>
>> Surely at least one of these is notable?
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Re: [Gendergap] [Blog]: [Huffington Post U.K] : An interview with Emily Temple-Wood

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joying
> wiki-socialization in real life and being serious online.", says Emily when
> asked about how she manages her time to be able to do a variety of
> real-life and online volunteering.
>
> She is also a Individual Engagement 
> Grantee<https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IEG> of
> the Wikimedia Foundation <http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Home>, the
> not-for-profit organization that hosts Wikipedia. In her role as a grantee,
> she is aiming to create a new model for bringing women into the Wikimedia
> movement and creating more content to fill the coverage gap with topics
> related to women, especially biographies of women. She is trying to change
> the gender situation on English Wikipedia where only around 10-25 percent
> of all contributors are women. She is also looking forward to create a best
> practice kit for running workshops on systemic bias. Systemic bias is an
> insidious problem on Wikipedia, where women, people of color, and
> non-Western topics are severely underrepresented. She thinks that her
> biggest contribution to the Wikipedia community has been helping to bring
> awareness about the systemic bias problem. She has attended three
> international conferences, where she presented her learnings and
> experiences in working with Wikipedia. She finds it exciting to get to
> travel around the world and meet amazing Wikipedians from different
> language communities.
>
> Emily thinks that "women's voices are so important in this [Wikipedia]
> community and [women] need to speak up, especially because there are so few
> women participating in the movement". She asks women "to trust in their own
> competence and jump in, and don't take criticism too hard," to be a
> successful writer on Wikipedia. You can view Emily's userpage on Wikipedia
> here <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Keilana>.
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[Gendergap] best DYK ever for april fools

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pretty rare when you can get a laugh out of bell hooks

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page

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Re: [Gendergap] How to Acknowledge an all-male panel.

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Yes...I must say..this is the first I have heard about this panel and the
outreach seeking women panelists. Including my involvement in numerous open
culture mailing lists...(but, perhaps I missed an email seeking
participants in my crazy life!).

I know a few women who might or might not be in London, but who might have
interested in this (from academia and the open culture/knowledge world
internationally)...   all it would take is a few chances to send a call to
action to mailing lists.

Not really sure what to say regarding how to deal with having an all male
panel. I'm sure it won't be the only one. This is Wikimania after all...and
based on our gender ratio

But, for humor's sake there is always this:
http://whiteguysdoingitbythemselves.tumblr.com/

:)

Sarah




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> I'm not sure what you mean by "qualified speakers", but you did you ask on
> this list?
>
> -h
>
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 3:40 PM, Maximilian Klein  wrote:
>
>> Hello Gender Gap,
>>
>> With some collaborators, I submitted this panel for Wikimania 2014
>> "Reform of citation structure for all Wikimedia project" [1]. Despite my
>> best efforts (and continuing efforts), I couldn't find any non-men to be on
>> the panel. I asked each of the potential panelists if they knew any other
>> qualified speakers (not specifically women, just other people), asked my
>> old colleagues, put a call out on social media. But it just ended up being
>> all-men.
>>
>> Is it desirable to write something to the effect of "we are cognizant
>> this is an all-male panel, and would like to change the underlying factors"
>> as a preamble to the submissions? And if so, what is the right way?
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> [1]
>> http://wikimania2014.wikimedia.org/wiki/Submissions/Reform_of_citation_structure_for_all_Wikimedia_projects
>>
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Re: [Gendergap] How to Acknowledge an all-male panel.

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"have interest" that is...

And by that sentence i meant that they might or might not be in London
giving financial situation (some of us are waiting to hear if we get
scholarships...) but, damn, the list of women curious about citation
improvement and the general chaos of referencing and academia re: Wikipedia
is rather endless if we put our minds to it...or our feelers out!

-Sar


On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 4:46 PM, Sarah Stierch wrote:

> Yes...I must say..this is the first I have heard about this panel and the
> outreach seeking women panelists. Including my involvement in numerous open
> culture mailing lists...(but, perhaps I missed an email seeking
> participants in my crazy life!).
>
> I know a few women who might or might not be in London, but who might have
> interested in this (from academia and the open culture/knowledge world
> internationally)...   all it would take is a few chances to send a call to
> action to mailing lists.
>
> Not really sure what to say regarding how to deal with having an all male
> panel. I'm sure it won't be the only one. This is Wikimania after all...and
> based on our gender ratio
>
> But, for humor's sake there is always this:
> http://whiteguysdoingitbythemselves.tumblr.com/
>
> :)
>
> Sarah
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 4:32 PM, Heather Walls wrote:
>
>> I'm not sure what you mean by "qualified speakers", but you did you ask
>> on this list?
>>
>> -h
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 3:40 PM, Maximilian Klein wrote:
>>
>>> Hello Gender Gap,
>>>
>>> With some collaborators, I submitted this panel for Wikimania 2014
>>> "Reform of citation structure for all Wikimedia project" [1]. Despite my
>>> best efforts (and continuing efforts), I couldn't find any non-men to be on
>>> the panel. I asked each of the potential panelists if they knew any other
>>> qualified speakers (not specifically women, just other people), asked my
>>> old colleagues, put a call out on social media. But it just ended up being
>>> all-men.
>>>
>>> Is it desirable to write something to the effect of "we are cognizant
>>> this is an all-male panel, and would like to change the underlying factors"
>>> as a preamble to the submissions? And if so, what is the right way?
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> [1]
>>> http://wikimania2014.wikimedia.org/wiki/Submissions/Reform_of_citation_structure_for_all_Wikimedia_projects
>>>
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Re: [Gendergap] How to Acknowledge an all-male panel.

[Sarah Stierch]

Ask women that they know if they know anyone who might have interest.

I get emails on a regular basis like that. They rarely say "I'm looking for
women or non-males," for the record, but... I always try to make my
suggestions with a mix of people, male and female, and sometimes it ends up
being a bunch of males with one female suggestion just because that's how
it goes (boo!).

I make the concerted effort to reach out to people I know in the community.
It might not have to involve emailing a mailing list, but, it's a start
until you find a community of people with same interests.

I'm lucky enough at this point where I know people directly I can reach out
towards if I'm going to do a session about the gender gap, GLAM, whatever,
but, that wasn't always the case.

For example: I'm on a mailing list for GLAM people, involved in "open
culture," a colleague send an email out asking if anyone wanted to be
involved in implementing a workshop about best practices for a conference.
I responded, and it turns out the other person who responded was a woman.
Now we have a submission - a man and two women - waiting for review - and
we could very well be the only panel at the entire conference like that.
And plenty of men could have responded with interest!

So anything is possible! :)

-Sarah


On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 5:08 PM, Pete Forsyth  wrote:

> There are 516 submissions for Wikimania. I don't know how many are panels
> -- conservatively, maybe 100?
>
> In an ideal world, do we really want 100 people to email this list to seek
> panelists? How about Wikipedia-related submissions for hundreds of other
> conferences?
>
> My answer would be no -- actually I would go further, I think in many
> cases (but not all) it's desirable to have an individual gather a panel in
> private, according to his or her own vision for the topic.
>
> If we assume that Max (or somebody like him) wants to explore putting
> together a panel *without *putting out a public call, are there some
> specific practices he or she can employ to improve the chances of
> attracting non-men?
>
> Pete
> [[User:Peteforsyth]] on Wikipedia
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 4:46 PM, Sarah Stierch wrote:
>
>> Yes...I must say..this is the first I have heard about this panel and the
>> outreach seeking women panelists. Including my involvement in numerous open
>> culture mailing lists...(but, perhaps I missed an email seeking
>> participants in my crazy life!).
>>
>> I know a few women who might or might not be in London, but who might
>> have interested in this (from academia and the open culture/knowledge world
>> internationally)...   all it would take is a few chances to send a call to
>> action to mailing lists.
>>
>> Not really sure what to say regarding how to deal with having an all male
>> panel. I'm sure it won't be the only one. This is Wikimania after all...and
>> based on our gender ratio
>>
>> But, for humor's sake there is always this:
>> http://whiteguysdoingitbythemselves.tumblr.com/
>>
>> :)
>>
>> Sarah
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 4:32 PM, Heather Walls wrote:
>>
>>> I'm not sure what you mean by "qualified speakers", but you did you ask
>>> on this list?
>>>
>>> -h
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 3:40 PM, Maximilian Klein wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hello Gender Gap,
>>>>
>>>> With some collaborators, I submitted this panel for Wikimania 2014
>>>> "Reform of citation structure for all Wikimedia project" [1]. Despite my
>>>> best efforts (and continuing efforts), I couldn't find any non-men to be on
>>>> the panel. I asked each of the potential panelists if they knew any other
>>>> qualified speakers (not specifically women, just other people), asked my
>>>> old colleagues, put a call out on social media. But it just ended up being
>>>> all-men.
>>>>
>>>> Is it desirable to write something to the effect of "we are cognizant
>>>> this is an all-male panel, and would like to change the underlying factors"
>>>> as a preamble to the submissions? And if so, what is the right way?
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>>
>>>> [1]
>>>> http://wikimania2014.wikimedia.org/wiki/Submissions/Reform_of_citation_structure_for_all_Wikimedia_projects
>>>>
>>>> Max Klein
>>>> http://notconfusing.com/
>>>>
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Re: [Gendergap] How to Acknowledge an all-male panel.

[Sarah Stierch]

+infinity Sam

Thanks for your efforts! It's a great representation of the "ally"
mentality!

-Sarah



On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 5:33 PM, Samuel Klein  wrote:

> Hi Max, this is surprising to hear!  In my experience, "Librarians and OA
> repository managers", at least in the US and commonwealth countries, are
> majority female.  Any one of them would fit nicely on such a panel.  Have
> you tried asking for candidates at lib-tech events?
>
> I recommend noting in your proposal that you are looking for an additional
> or alternate panelist, if you are indeed doing so; you have some time
> before finalizing the roster.
>
> A tangent: I ask who will be on panels with me and decline requests to be
> on all-male panels (also suggesting women to invite where I can).  This is
> one way for men to help session organizers improve their search-space for
> speakers.
>
> Warmly,
> Sam
>
>
> On Apr 2, 2014 6:40 PM, "Maximilian Klein"  wrote:
>
>> Hello Gender Gap,
>>
>> With some collaborators, I submitted this panel for Wikimania 2014
>> "Reform of citation structure for all Wikimedia project" [1]. Despite my
>> best efforts (and continuing efforts), I couldn't find any non-men to be on
>> the panel. I asked each of the potential panelists if they knew any other
>> qualified speakers (not specifically women, just other people), asked my
>> old colleagues, put a call out on social media. But it just ended up being
>> all-men.
>>
>> Is it desirable to write something to the effect of "we are cognizant
>> this is an all-male panel, and would like to change the underlying factors"
>> as a preamble to the submissions? And if so, what is the right way?
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> [1]
>> http://wikimania2014.wikimedia.org/wiki/Submissions/Reform_of_citation_structure_for_all_Wikimedia_projects
>>
>> Max Klein
>> http://notconfusing.com/
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Re: [Gendergap] [Report] Women's History Month events in India

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0%B4%A6%E0%B4%BF%E0%B4%A8_%E0%B4%A4%E0%B4%BF%E0%B4%B0%E0%B5%81%E0%B4%A4%E0%B5%8D%E0%B4%A4%E0%B5%BD_%E0%B4%AF%E0%B4%9C%E0%B5%8D%E0%B4%9E%E0%B4%A4%E0%B5%8D%E0%B4%A4%E0%B4%BF%E0%B4%A8%E0%B5%8D%E0%B4%B1%E0%B5%86_%E0%B4%AD%E0%B4%BE%E0%B4%97%E0%B4%AE%E0%B4%BE%E0%B4%AF%E0%B4%BF_%E0%B4%B8%E0%B5%83%E0%B4%B7%E0%B5%8D%E0%B4%9F%E0%B4%BF%E0%B4%95%E0%B5%8D%E0%B4%95%E0%B4%AA%E0%B5%8D%E0%B4%AA%E0%B5%86%E0%B4%9F%E0%B5%8D%E0%B4%9F_%E0%B4%A4%E0%B4%BE%E0%B4%B3%E0%B5%81%E0%B4%95%E0%B5%BE>
>
>
> *Offline events:*
>
>
>
>-
>
>Roshni 
> Nilaya<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_of_Social_Work_Roshni_Nilaya>School
>  of Social Work, Mangalore hosted the First Introductory Presentation
>on Wikipedia Editing on 26th Feb 2014 at the college. This was an led by 
> Harriet
>Vidyasagar <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Outofindia>.
>-
>
>Wiki Women's Day at International Center 
> Goa<https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/India_Access_To_Knowledge/Events/Wiki_Women%27s_Day_at_ICG>was
>  held on Sunday, March 9, 2014 from 3:30pm - 6:00pm IST. The workshop
>was organized by Nitika Tandon.
>-
>
>Wikipedia talk and edit-a-thon at Womoz 
> Festival<https://ml.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:WOMOZ14>,
>Indira Gandhi College of Engineering and Technology, Kothamangalam, Kerala.
>Link: w:ml:WP:WOMOZ14 <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ml:WP:WOMOZ14>.
>The workshop was led by Malayalam Wikimedian Abhishek 
> Jacob<https://ml.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E0%B4%89%E0%B4%AA%E0%B4%AF%E0%B5%8B%E0%B4%95%E0%B5%8D%E0%B4%A4%E0%B4%BE%E0%B4%B5%E0%B5%8D:Abhishek_Jacob>
>.
>-
>
>Wikipedia talk and edit-a-thon at College of Engineering, 
> Guindy<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/College_of_Engineering,_Guindy>, 
> Chennai. The event was coordinated by User:Commons sibi
>-
>
>Wikiwomen's Day at 
> CBIT<https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/India_Access_To_Knowledge/Events/Wiki_Women%27s_Day_at_CBIT>,
>Hyderabad on 8th March 2014, coordinated by CIS-A2K.
>-
>
>Wikipedia edit-a-thon in Delhi
>https://www.facebook.com/events/285700978254131/ on 29th March, 2014
>-
>
>Wikipedia talk and edit-a-thon at Barcamp Bangalore
>https://www.facebook.com/events/294495160708164/ on 29th March, 2014
>-
>
>Marathi Wikipedia 
> Sampadnethon<https://mr.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E0%A4%B5%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%95%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%AA%E0%A5%80%E0%A4%A1%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%AF%E0%A4%BE:%E0%A4%AE%E0%A4%B9%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%B2%E0%A4%BE_%E0%A4%B8%E0%A4%82%E0%A4%AA%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%A6%E0%A4%A8%E0%A5%87%E0%A4%A5%E0%A5%89%E0%A4%A8-_%E0%A5%A8%E0%A5%A6%E0%A5%A7%E0%A5%AA#>,
>coordinated by Selva Rani
>-
>
>A Wikiparty at Wikimedian Harriet’s residence to mentor her friends to
>edit Wikipedia on 16 March, 2014.
>
>
> Thank you for supporting Women's History Month events!
>
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> Netha and Jeph
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Re: [Gendergap] Blogger and Wikipedian Adrianne Wadewitz died whilerock-climbing

[Sarah Stierch]

I don't want to get into the details of what happened to Adrianne, as it
could be a trigger for some people. If you really really need to know you
can email me off list.

Just so people know, a group of us in the HASTAC/FemBot/FemTech community
are planning a series of edit-a-thons in her honor in late May. Another
group of us, Wikimedia and academia related, are organizing ways to
coordinate an academic scholarship on her behalf.

I'm taking some much needed personal time this week (and longer if needed)
to mourn. But, I'll keep this list posted as things proceed (and perhaps
others will, too).

-Sarah



On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 9:38 AM, Jane Darnell  wrote:

> All I know is what is reported on her Wikipedia userpage
>
> 2014-04-11 18:32 GMT+02:00, Daniel and Elizabeth Case <
> danc...@frontiernet.net>:
> >>Subject: [Gendergap] Blogger and Wikipedian Adrianne Wadewitz died
> >>whilerock-climbing
> >
> >>This is to inform you that one of the contributors to this list who
> >>spent a lot of time working on the Gendergap issue and ways to solve
> >>it, has died in a rock-climbing accident.
> >>http://femtechnet.newschool.edu/blog/adrianne-wadewitz/
> >
> > How truly sad.
> >
> > While I did not work with her on any gendergap-related issues, I remember
> > her well as a tenacious reviewer of DYK submissions, mine included. We
> > didn't always agree, but I never doubted her integrity and commitment to
> the
> > ideals of Wikipedia and Wikimedia.
> >
> > I would note for this list her high output of featured articles, many of
> > them on works of women like Mary Wollstonecraft Shelley, from her chosen
> > period of literary study, the late 18th and early 19th century, as well
> as
> > biographies of some major and minor figures of that epoch (including the
> > now-infamous [[Fanny Imlay]] article, one of the few nominated for
> deletion
> > (albeit strategically) on the same day it was on the main page. Nobody
> *but*
> > her could have defended that article on the talk page as well as she did
> > (compare with yours truly, a few grafs down)). Oh, and a nice
> collaboration
> > with another editor on [[Joseph Priestley House]].
> >
> > Are there any further details on the circumstances of her death, like
> where
> > and what she was doing or attempting to do at the time? I ask only
> because
> > they will inevitably be reported in this year's "Accidents in North
> American
> > Mountaineering" along with the usual critique, and it would be useful to
> > know before reading it since names are not usually given and I would
> like to
> > know so I know when I'm reading about the death of an acquaintance.
> >
> > Daniel Case
> >
> >
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[Gendergap] Gender Gap/Systemtic bias related Wikimania submissions

[Sarah Stierch]

I'm on the program committee, so every year I make a list of submissions
that have been submitted to Wikimania related to gender gap/systemic bias.
Be sure to add your interest in attending at the end of the submissions
that interest you.


   - *"Creative Ways to Alienate Women: A How-To Guide for
Wikipedians"*(tongue in cheek!):
   
https://wikimania2014.wikimedia.org/wiki/Submissions/Creative_Ways_to_Alienate_Women_Online:_A_How-to_Guide_for_Wikipedians
   - *Diversity in the wikiHow Community *-
   
https://wikimania2014.wikimedia.org/wiki/Submissions/Diversity_in_the_wikiHow_Community
   - *Engaging Minorities on the Wikimedia projects: Easier said than done?*

   
https://wikimania2014.wikimedia.org/wiki/Submissions/Engaging_minorities_on_the_Wikimedia_projects:_Easier_said_than_done

   - *Guerrilla Skepticism on Wikipedia -*
   
https://wikimania2014.wikimedia.org/wiki/Submissions/Guerrilla_Skepticism_on_Wikipedia
   - *INternet Skills and the Gender Gap -*
   
https://wikimania2014.wikimedia.org/wiki/Submissions/Internet_skills_and_the_gender_gap
   - *Systemic Bias Workshop Development *-
   
https://wikimania2014.wikimedia.org/wiki/Submissions/Systemic_Bias_Workshop_Development_-_IEG_update
   - *The 3W phenomenon - Web - Women - Wikipedia *-
   
https://wikimania2014.wikimedia.org/wiki/Submissions/The_%223W%22_phenomenon_-_Web_-_Women_-_Wikipedia
   - *What male Wikipedians can do to help fix the gender gap* -
   
https://wikimania2014.wikimedia.org/wiki/Submissions/What_male_Wikipedians_can_do_to_help_fix_the_gendergap
   - *Where's the T in Wikimedia Diversity -*
   
https://wikimania2014.wikimedia.org/wiki/Submissions/Where%27s_the_T_in_Wikimedia_Diversity
   - *Wikimedia LGBT: Past, Present, and Future? *
   
https://wikimania2014.wikimedia.org/wiki/Submissions/Wikimedia_LGBT:_Past,_Present_and_Future

   - *Women on Wikipedia* -
   https://wikimania2014.wikimedia.org/wiki/Submissions/Women_on_Wikipedia
   - *Wikipedia Education Program in Egypt and Jordan: closing the gender
   gap and growing contributors in Arabic Wikipedia*:
   
https://wikimania2014.wikimedia.org/wiki/Submissions/Wikipedia_Education_Program_in_Egypt_and_Jordan:_closing_the_gender_gap_and_growing_contributions_to_the_Arabic_Wikipedia
   - *Challenges supporting indigenous peoples' participation in Wikipedia
   in the Asia Pacific* -
   
https://wikimania2014.wikimedia.org/wiki/Submissions/Challenges_supporting_indigenous_peoples%27_participation_in_Wikipedia_in_the_Asia_Pacific
   - *Disability: rights, access, and awareness* -
   
https://wikimania2014.wikimedia.org/wiki/Submissions/Disability:_rights,_access_and_awareness
   - *Gender and Beyond: Building DIversity in the Digital Space*:
   
https://wikimania2014.wikimedia.org/wiki/Submissions/Gender_and_Beyond:_Building_Diversity_in_the_Digital_Space
   - *Diversity Workshop: Gender gap strategy into action*:
   
https://wikimania2014.wikimedia.org/wiki/Submissions/Diversity_Workshop:_Gender_gap_strategy_into_action




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Re: [Gendergap] Joining list, hope to help

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Hi Derric -

Welcome and I'm sorry it had to be under these circumstances. We're glad to
have you here.

-Sarah


On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 11:07 AM, Derric Atzrott <
datzr...@alizeepathology.com> wrote:

> Hello all,
>
> I'm not sure if it is proper to introduce yourself upon joining this list,
> so I
> thought I would.  My name is Derric Atzrott.  I'm an editor on the English
> Wikipedia and feel that the gender gap on Wikipedia, and honestly in many
> places
> in general, is problematic and something needs to be done about it.  I do
> a lot
> of informal outreach, though in the past month or two I've begun trying to
> do a
> bit more formal outreach, and have, since I realized there was a problem,
> tried
> to place an emphasis on getting females to become editors.
>
> The news of the deaths of both Andrianne and Cynthia is heart breaking.
>  While I
> didn't know either of them it always pains me to hear about members of our
> community dying.  The death of both of them, who I understand were active
> on
> this list, has prompted me to try to step up my efforts as well, which is
> why I
> have joined this list.
>
> Honestly, there is a good chance to I'll mostly just lurk on this list
> like I do
> wikitech-l and libraries, but if I see anything I can help with I'll do my
> best
> to do so, and if any of you know of anything I can help with, please ask.
>
> Sorry if this email is inappropriate for the list.
>
> Thank you,
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Re: [Gendergap] Blogger and Wikipedian Adrianne Wadewitz died while rock-climbing

[Sarah Stierch]

I understand Kevin. I think this is when the world of the internet is
challenging - grief in the digital age is something I'm still trying to
sort out in my own head, and having so many friends so spread out around
the world makes it challenging to "feel like you're not alone". It also
makes me, at least, feel more helpless in regards to what has happened to
people (which was out of my control, but, that's part of the grieving
process).

It's all really weird. I never thought the day would come anytime soon
where I'd be talking about the legacy of Wikipedian freinds who are no
longer alive.

I know Wikipedians who have died, but I haven't known anyone this close,
let alone...in one week (WTF UNIVERSE). It's just...weird, especially since
these two women were involved in our little corner of...said universe.

hugs to everyone from afar.

-Sarah



On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 1:44 PM, Kevin Gorman  wrote:

> I've mostly been silent about the loss of Adrianne and Cindy publicly,
> because I've mostly not had any idea what to say.  I'd been working with
> both on various projects for quite a while, and had a multi-hour skype call
> with Adrianne in the recent past about the gendergap and education outreach
> efforts.  I've rarely met a Wikimedian as passionate about making the world
> a better place than Adrianne.  Cindy and Adrianne will both be terribly,
> terribly missed.  I wish I had the eloquence that has been put forth by
> other people in various places, but right now a large part of me is still
> just trying to process.
>
> 
> Kevin Gorman
>
>
> On Sat, Apr 12, 2014 at 2:13 AM, Shlomi Fish wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 11 Apr 2014 16:51:17 +0200
>> Jane Darnell  wrote:
>>
>> > This is to inform you that one of the contributors to this list who
>> > spent a lot of time working on the Gendergap issue and ways to solve
>> > it, has died in a rock-climbing accident.
>> > http://femtechnet.newschool.edu/blog/adrianne-wadewitz/
>> >
>>
>> I'm terribly sorry to hear that. My condolences go to whoever knew her -
>> online or in real life.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Shlomi Fish
>>
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[Gendergap] Wadewitz Tribute Edit-a-thons - May 2014

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Hi everyone,

I have created the event page for the Adrianne Wadewitz Tribute
Edit-a-thons that will be taking place around the world in May. This event
is a coordinated project of HASTAC and FemTech. We hope you'll plan an
event - no matter how big or small - and participate.

Please spread the word and add your event listing here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wadewitz_Tribute_Edit-a-thons

Thank you,

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[Gendergap] New Executive Director of WMF - Lila Tretikov

[Sarah Stierch]

Excited to see another woman become the ED of WMF!

http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimediaannounce-l/2014-May/000905.html


Good luck and best wishes to Lila Tretikov!


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[Gendergap] Fwd: [GLAM-US] WikiConference USA - almost here!

[Sarah Stierch]

See below. Great list of women keynote speakers.

I'll be attending (listening, not speaking,  :) ) so hopefully I can see
some of you there!

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I am very pleased to announce that WikiConference USA is less than 30 days
away!  Over the last few months, Wikimedia NYC and Wikimedia DC have been
collecting curated submissions on a diversity of wiki and free/open
knowledge-related topics (with tracks on Community, Tech, Outreach, GLAM,
Education), and recruited some excellent keynote speakers who can speak to
their personal activism and leadership in these domains.

But this is a "Wiki" conference, and what it thrives on most is your
participation, your differing areas of experience and expertise, to enliven
and enrich all of the sessions we have planned together.  And, exciting
too, there still will be numerous opportunities for "unconference" sessions
led by participants on the fly, and we encourage you to bring the ideas
from your domain for these sessions as well.

Here are the details for the conference:

Dates: Friday, May 30, 2014 - Sunday, June 1, 2014
Location: New York Law School (185 West Broadway, New York, NY 10013)
Website: http://wikiconferenceusa.org
Email: wiki...@wikimedianyc.org
Registration: http://wikiconusa.eventbrite.org/

And our distinguished and dynamic roster of keynote speakers:

*Phoebe Ayers - Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees
*Sumana Harihareswara - Wikimedia Foundation Engineering Community Team;
Advisor, Ada Initiative
*Christie Koehler - Community Building Education Lead, Mozilla Corporation
*DC Vito, Executive Director - The LAMP/MediaBreaker

For more information, please review our official press release below! We
hope you will join us and help us spread the word!

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:WikiCon_USA_2014_Press_Release_v1.pdf

Thanks,
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Re: [Gendergap] Wikimedia and revenge porn

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Yes, as a OTRS agent and a Commonist.

It was just as challenging to get content removed for those reasons as any 
other.

People seem to not want to listen. It's really weird how protective people can 
be about porn versus the people in them.

I'm sure there is some on there as I type this as people have no idea. 

Sarah

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> On May 10, 2014, at 2:57 AM, Chris Keating  wrote:
> 
> I wondered if anyone knew of a case where any of our projects had been 
> involved in a "revenge porn" incident - I.e. someone maliciously uploading 
> and publicising pornographic pictures to control and humiliate someone else 
> (most frequently an ex - girlfriend).
> 
> I ask because someone I know is going through this kind of abuse.  at 
> present, and that's reminded me this is a growing problem and area of 
> media/political interest.
> 
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> 
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Re: [Gendergap] topless cheesecake on the en.wiki Main Page

[Sarah Stierch]

So where is the dude cheesecake? :)


On Tue, May 13, 2014 at 7:37 PM, Ryan Kaldari wrote:

> Considering the complaints that we got from female editors when this photo
> was run on the Commons main page,[1] I imagine there may be some people on
> this list who would be interested in the following discussion:
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Picture_of_the_day#Discussion_regarding_possible_picture_of_the_day:_Michele_Merkin
>
> 1.
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons_talk:Picture_of_the_day/Archive_1#POTD_for_October_5
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Re: [Gendergap] topless cheesecake on the en.wiki Main Page

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n off a lot
> of
> >> editors and potentially cause a firestorm.  That makes this seem like a
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> >> of maintaining our ideals versus being practical about the impact, but
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Re: [Gendergap] topless cheesecake on the en.wiki Main Page

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 me to some concise discussion of why sexual
>>> or sexualized imagery of any kind is inherently discriminatory against
>>> women? Is this a commonly accepted viewpoint in academic feminism? Is there
>>> an easy way to draw a line between discriminatory and non-discriminatory
>>> imagery? (i.e. is a beach selfie of a woman in a bikini posted to Instagram
>>> discriminatory, regardless of intent?).
>>>
>>> Thanks for any references someone can provide where I might find answers
>>> to those questions.
>>>
>>> ~Nathan
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Re: [Gendergap] Wikidata, gamification and gender

[Sarah Stierch]

This is great Tom, and something I have been waiting for (and vocalizing
the need for on social media).

Lately all I have been doing is working on wikidata re: gender/women
subjects these days.

-Sarah


On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 11:37 AM, Tom Morris  wrote:

> Greetings Gendergap-sters,
>
> I wanted to tell everyone about a new game that Magnus Manske has
> created, called 'Wikidata - The game!'
>
> http://tools.wmflabs.org/wikidata-game/
>
> As games go, it's not tremendously exciting - it's not going to be
> peeling too many people away from their Xboxes or Nintendos.
>
> There's three sub-games: Person, Merge and Gender. You pick one and then
> the system asks you questions... forever. These answers end up getting
> pushed back into Wikidata.
>
> I've just been playing the 'gender' game. It shows you a Wikidata
> object, with a description in a language, as well as possibly a picture.
> Based on the description, you pick which gender best matches out of male
> or female (for non-binary genders, you can open up the Wikidata object
> by clicking on it and editing it directly). If you can't work it out,
> you can skip it by pressing 'Not sure'.
>
> I've now done over 400 of these. The interface is designed to work with
> touch devices so you should be able to do it with smartphones and iPads
> and so on.
>
> But why bother? Why should we care about making sure Wikidata accurately
> reflects the gender of its subjects?
>
> 1. It builds the future capacity of a replacement to the category
> system. Currently, we have a category system that turns identity into
> politics. We saw this on English Wikipedia with the "American women
> novelists" debacle: articles about female writers being moved from being
> in the main "American novelists" category into a gender-specific
> category. Some of the women who were thus moved objected on the basis
> that this was a form of ghettoisation of women's voices, and also
> pointed out that men weren't being equally moved to "American men
> novelists".
>
> The categories for discussion debates on English Wikipedia have become a
> place where identity politics plays out: should we have an "LGBT
> scientists" category? In come the people to argue that someone being
> LGBT is somehow a non-essential or non-central part of that person's
> identity. As it is for gender, so it is for religion and nationality.
> The flipside to this argument is that having categories based on gender,
> sexual orientation, nationality, ethnicity and religion enables readers
> to find people. The gay kid who thinks all gay men are stereotypically
> effeminate men working as beauticians can be disabused of that notion by
> looking through the 'LGBT sportspersons' category; the girl who has been
> told that women don't go into science or engineering can do similarly by
> looking in the 'Women scientists' category. Wikidata may give us a way
> out of these kinds of conundrums by letting us slice up the world on a
> great number of different axes. Want to see all the gay Buddhist
> scientists from Morocco? Fire up some future Wikidata powered faceted
> semantic search system that one day we'll maybe integrate into Wikipedia
> and you can do just that.
>
> 2. It'll enable us to monitor how well we're doing on systemic bias and
> the gender gap. Wikidata operates across different versions of Wikipedia
> and other Wikimedia projects. On 'American women novelists', how well is
> each language doing in covering them? Is English Wikipedia better or
> worse at covering women novelists writing in English than French
> Wikipedia is covering women novelists writing in French? If we can make
> the machine readable data in Wikidata good and comprehensive, we can use
> it to flag up shortcomings and systemic bias in how Wikipedias in
> different languages handle these kinds of sensitive identity topics like
> gender and ethnicity and nationality. Countering systemic bias and the
> gender gap among article subjects isn't only an English language
> problem: Wikimedia is a global movement, and finding weak spots and
> opportunities to improve in all languages is something we should try and
> do.
>
>
> If you haven't played around with Wikidata, give it a go. Get yourself
> logged in with an account and go through the OAuth process, then you can
> start playing the games that Magnus has created and help build a system
> that can be used to monitor and improve coverage across Wikipedias.
> Wikidata is still at very early stages and you sort of have to have
> faith in what it could end up being in a few years time rath

[Gendergap] Bikini up for Peer Review on English Wikipedia

[Sarah Stierch]

Please see:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Women%27s_History#Bikini_on_peer_review

Feel free to participate in the review of the article. It's highly likely
that the main contributors have been male and it might be nice to have
women's input on the article.

It's a highly viewed article - the first hit when you Google "bikini" - so
it would be great to have everyone's input.

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Re: [Gendergap] Bikini up for Peer Review on English Wikipedia

[Sarah Stierch]

I don't have the capacity nor - to be blunt - the interest in improving it. So 
I hope you will take those comments and post on the talk page.

Thanks!

Sarah 

Sent from my IPhone.

> On May 23, 2014, at 9:27 PM, "A. Mani"  wrote:
> 
>> On Fri, May 23, 2014 at 10:58 PM, Sarah Stierch  
>> wrote:
>> Please see:
>> 
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Women%27s_History#Bikini_on_peer_review
>> 
>> Feel free to participate in the review of the article. It's highly likely
>> that the main contributors have been male and it might be nice to have
>> women's input on the article.
>> 
>> It's a highly viewed article - the first hit when you Google "bikini" - so
>> it would be great to have everyone's input.
> 
> 
> There is nothing much about culture in the the main article or about
> position of feminists and others.
> 
> disambiguation page is bad
> 
> "bikini bodies" has no related articles.
> 
> Some relevant articles:
> 
> http://rhrealitycheck.org/article/2009/07/10/from-bikinis-burqas-feminist-politics-clothing/
> http://feminaust.org/2012/11/14/this-feminists-approach-to-swimsuit-season/
> http://thoughtcatalog.com/nikki-tolwin/2014/03/lena-dunhams-feminist-bikini/
> http://badhostess.com/britney-bikinis-bourgeois-body-image-feminism/
> 
> http://www.shakesville.com/2011/08/assvertising.html
> http://www.shakesville.com/2012/07/episode-vi-return-of-douchebags.html
> http://www.shakesville.com/2009/09/angry-green-girls-softcore-peta.html
> 
> 
> 
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> 
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Re: [Gendergap] A reason to celebrate

[Sarah Stierch]

Thank you Christine for your tireless effort and work.

Sarah
On Jun 8, 2014 10:16 PM, "Christine Meyer" 
wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> Yes, I'm responsible for the Angelou article.  I must say, when I saw the
> view counts in the Signpost, I was overwhelmed and honored that for my part
> in bringing Dr. Angelou's bio article, as well as all seven of her
> autobiographies, the list of her works, and articles about her poetry and
> themes in her autobiographies, all to FA status.  I also feel proud that
> the English WP honored this great artist with high-quality articles when
> the world most needed them.
>
> Like with the other article you mentioned, the Angelou articles all had
> Adedewit's influence.  Early in my WP editing career, way back in 2007, she
> mentored me.  She (along with User:Scartol) basically led me by the hand
> through the article development process  as we worked on [[I Know Why the
> Caged Bird Sings]], Angelou's first autobiography.  She taught me how to do
> research, gather sources, write scholarly, and find appropriate images.  I
> remember going to her talk page at one point, and freaking out because I
> felt overwhelmed by the fact that here I was, a middle-aged white woman
> from the West Coast, trying to write about racism and childhood rape.  She
> was very calm with me and told me, "Well, you took this on and now you need
> to finish it."  Which eventually I did.  We suffered a terrible loss this
> year.
>
> I'm thankful for being exposed to the life and writings of Dr. Angelou,
> something I wouldn't have done if it weren't for WP.  Millions of people
> looked at something that I basically wrote, and that's incredible to me.
>  It makes all the gender gap garbage we go through worth it.
>
> Christine/Figureskatingfan.
>
>
> On Sun, Jun 8, 2014 at 3:08 PM, Yana Welinder 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Risker,
>>
>> That is awesome!  I was really pleased to see that too.  Thanks to
>> everyone who worked on the two articles!
>>
>> On a somewhat related note, I started a twitter account this week (as a
>> minor side project) to tweet about notable women on their birthdays with
>> their Wikipedia articles to raise awareness:
>> https://twitter.com/sis_ninja. If anyone on this list have particular
>> Wikipedia articles that you would like to be included, please shoot me an
>> email.
>>
>> Best,
>> Yana
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Jun 8, 2014 at 1:34 PM, Risker  wrote:
>>
>>> Looking at the Signpost today, I was really pleased and pleasantly
>>> surprised to discover that the top two most-viewed articles this past week
>>> were biographical articles about women.  Not only that, they were both
>>> featured articles, so our reading public got a really good, informative
>>> article.
>>>
>>>
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2014-06-04/Traffic_report
>>>
>>> A thank you to Christine for the Maya Angelou article, and to Sage Ross
>>> (with support from Awadewit) for the Rachel Carson article.
>>>
>>> Risker/Anne
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Re: [Gendergap] Oh man, I feel like a woman ...

[Sarah Stierch]

Welcome to our lives Daniel :)

Good efforts all around. I stopped participating in DYK's (nominating my
own stuff) after drama llamas claimed promotional language about long dead
subjects and more.

I always say : so fix it.

But, they never do :)

Good article, screw the system!!

Sarah
On Jun 16, 2014 6:45 PM, "Daniel and Elizabeth Case" <
danc...@frontiernet.net> wrote:

>   It’s one thing to read about the sort of harsh reactions women get
> while editing that discourages them from continuing.
>
> It’s a second thing to experience it yourself.
>
>
> Late last week I was browsing *Slate* when I read their reprint (
> http://www.slate.com/blogs/moneybox/2014/06/11/lolly_wolly_doodle_brandi_temple_s_north_carolina_children_s_clothing_startup.html)
> of this month’s *Inc.* magazine cover story, about a company called Lolly
> Wolly Doodle, a children’s clothing company started by Brandi Temple a
> woman in North Carolina with no real prior business experience, who had by
> her own admission never wanted to be anything more than a trophy wife when
> she was younger. She apparently figured out how to sell on Facebook,
> something major retailers have failed to do, and she’s now the CEO of a
> rapidly-growing company that’s gotten some serious venture-capital funding,
> doing over half of its $10 million+ annual business on FB and by their own
> lights the largest retailer on that site.
>
> I checked to see if we had an article on this company. We didn’t, so I
> started one: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lolly_Wolly_Doodle, complete
> with an infobox with the company logo and a free image of one of its
> dresses I found on Flickr. I reflected as I did so that the reason that
> this company had gotten all the media coverage it had in the tech and
> business press yet remained off our radar said entirely too much about our
> gender gap ... if we had just a few more probably regular editors who also
> are avid Pinterest users, I bet, we’d have had at least a stub a long time
> ago.
>
> But, that was all water under the bridge. Or so I thought.
>
> I nominated it for DYK on Friday. Late today, I get these responses:
>
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Lolly_Wolly_Doodle&diff=613195333&oldid=612812989
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Lolly_Wolly_Doodle&diff=613195754&oldid=613195333
>
> They were enough to ruin the good mood I was in following the USA’s World
> Cup win over Ghana and our neighbor coming over to invite my wife and I to
> her daughter’s graduation party. I have real trouble believing that
> Eppstein even read it (“whole paragraphs” are sourced to the company’s own
> history on its webpage? Huh? That it’s not neutral and too promotional?
> Everything it is sourced and attributed. And that dismissive conclusion
> about “story-telling mode about the struggles of the founders to find
> their way in the world” Maybe it’s just me, but I don’t think a
> similarly-written story about a business set up by men would get this level
> of criticism.
>
> Sorry if anyone was bothered by this, but I had to vent. I will be going
> into greater detail about why this review was so off base when I request
> that someone else review it instead (something I have very rarely done with
> all the DYKs I’ve nominated).
>
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Re: [Gendergap] Gender Diveristy in Workforces

[Sarah Stierch]

There is this
http://m.wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Staff_and_contractors

More women work in the outreach/grant/HR world that typical technical
departments.

I worked on the 6th floor and the majority of staff on that floor on any
given day often was women.

3rd floor was like a totally different world.

Sarah
On Jun 18, 2014 1:27 PM, "Derric Atzrott" 
wrote:

> Not entirely on topic for the list, but I thought people here might be
> interested in this.
>
>
>
>
> http://tech.slashdot.org/story/14/06/18/1224256/yahoos-diversity-record-is-almost-as-bad-as-googles
>
>
>
> About 17% of Google’s workforce is female and about 35% of Yahoo’s
> workforce is female.  Overall about 15% of folks who work in technology
> related fields are female.
>
>
>
> Does anyone have statistics on how the Wikimedia Foundation is doing when
> it comes to hiring women?
>
>
>
> Thank you,
>
> Derric Atzrott
>
> Computer Specialist
>
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[Gendergap] Fwd: [GLAM-US] The Wikipedia Library: New Free Accounts Available

[Sarah Stierch]

Great opportunity!

-- Forwarded message --
From: Jake Orlowitz 
Date: Thu, Jun 19, 2014 at 2:00 PM
Subject: [GLAM-US] The Wikipedia Library: New Free Accounts Available
To: Wikimedia & Libraries , North American
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The Wikipedia Library has new, free research account signups available:

New
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* Keesing's World News Archive <http://enwp.org/WP:Keesings> (25 accounts)

Expanded
* Credo Reference <http://enwp.org/WP:CREDO> (200 new accounts)
* JSTOR!! <http://enwp.org/WP:JSTOR> (400 new accounts).

Medical
* BMJ <http://enwp.org/WP:BMJ> (25 accounts)
* Cochrane Library <http://enwp.org/WP:Cochrane> (100 accounts)

Other
*Questia Online Library <http://enwp.org/WP:Questia (500 accounts)
*HighBeam Research <http://enwp.org/WP:HighBeam (500 accounts)

 Sign up!

Accounts are available to ALL global editors with a 1 year old account and
1000 edits.  Please notify your local community about the signups.  You can
signup today on English Wikipedia.  But!  If you have started a local
Wikipedia Library branch you can host signups on your local Wiki (Arabic,
Chinese...).  To set up a Wikipedia Library branch email Ocaasi at
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Re: [Gendergap] Lila Tretikov named to Forbes 100 most powerful women list

[Sarah Stierch]

I just noticed I wrote "to say the least" and "needs a lot of work"
multiple times.

My brain is melting :)

-Sarah


On Sat, Jun 28, 2014 at 11:19 PM, Sarah Stierch 
wrote:

> ...I went throughin what took weeks, and Wikidata'd the heck out of
> everyone on this list.
>
> The worst articles, the one's that need a lot of work, are the bottom
> half, for sure. The funniest to read is the Gisele Bundchen article. It
> needs a lot of work...to say the least and doesn't seem to be written by
> someone with a fashion background, to say the least.
>
> The last half have articles that just seem like they were written by PR
> firms at times. My favorite take from the Bundchen article is:
>
> "In 2008 Bündchen and Brady dished out turkey and all the trimmings
> unannounced to over 400 job trainees in Roxbury Massachusetts for Goodwill
> Industries International"
>
> HA HA! Dishing it out..
>
> I have now read all 100 articles. Shakira is my new favorite celebrity and
> Adriana Huffington is good at plagiarizing. And there are some REALLY rich
> women in China.
>
> -Sarah
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 17, 2014 at 3:00 PM, Andrew Gray 
> wrote:
>
>> Done! All the stubs, at least. A couple of thoughts:
>>
>> a) As expected, most of the stubs weren't :-). BLPs are not my forte,
>> but I'd say there's nine at most, and two or three of those are
>> marginal to be uprated.
>>
>> [This is a pretty systemic problem with our talkpage ratings and stub
>> tags: as Risker says, they get very stale. The sheer labour that would
>> be required to keep them up-to-date on a systematic basis is
>> daunting...]
>>
>> b) Lots of mid-range start/C mediocrity as is so often the case with
>> Wikipedia, lots of it with a reasonable amount of content but needing
>> some hacking around to get into shape
>>
>> c) If anyone is looking for a weekend project and is comfortable with
>> political BLPs, I'd say Helen Clark is able to be pushed to GA with a
>> bit of polishing and tidying, and Michelle Bachelet likewise. 10% of
>> the list properly-reviewed would be nothing to sniff at.
>>
>> (Bachelet has an odd gap in that the article doesn't seem to have
>> anything from her current presidency, but otherwise it's quite
>> well-structured and not overly recentist, which is unusual for a
>> politician's biography!).
>>
>> Andrew.
>>
>> On 17 June 2014 02:01, Toby Hudson  wrote:
>> > Hi Andrew,
>> > Absolutely!  Please do.
>> > Yes, it was nice to see some FA and GAs in the mix.  Maybe we should
>> compare
>> > a list of 100 most powerful men?
>> > Toby
>> >
>> >
>> > On Tue, Jun 17, 2014 at 6:02 AM, Andrew Gray > >
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Stub tags are notoriously bad for this (I've just rerated half a dozen
>> >> of these; Toby, are you happy for me to update the list?)
>> >>
>> >> On the other hand, we can take away a somewhat positive message from
>> >> this as well:
>> >>
>> >> Two articles are FA and 6 are GA/equivalent. Across enwiki as a whole,
>> >> approximately 0.6% of articles are FA or GA class. So this subset of
>> >> articles is perhaps ten times better than the average...
>> >>
>> >> Andrew.
>> >>
>> >> On 16 June 2014 15:06, Risker  wrote:
>> >> > While I will agree that many of those articles could use significant
>> >> > improvement, I wouldn't take the assessments all that seriously; a
>> lot
>> >> > of
>> >> > those articles have not been assessed in many years, despite
>> intervening
>> >> > improvements.
>> >> >
>> >> > Risker
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > On 16 June 2014 08:58, Toby Hudson  wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I've just wikified this in my userspace if anyone wants to quickly
>> >> >> check
>> >> >> out our articles on these women.  The good news is that we have an
>> >> >> article
>> >> >> for each of them.  The bad news is that article quality is pretty
>> grim
>> >> >> if
>> >> >> these are truly the 100 most powerful women.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:99of9/100powerwomen
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Toby/99of9
>> >> >>
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Re: [Gendergap] Lila Tretikov named to Forbes 100 most powerful women list

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Re: [Gendergap] Leigh Honeywell is now a mod

[Sarah Stierch]

Yay! Thank you Leigh!
On Jun 29, 2014 1:28 PM, "Mallory Knodel"  wrote:

>  On 06/29/2014 04:19 PM, Kevin Gorman wrote:
>
> Hi all -
>
>  After the email I sent out to the list earlier, Leigh Honeywell offered
> to be a mod.  She's a mod on the Ubuntu Women list as well as various IRC
> channels, has started multiple physical hackerspaces and is involved in
> DoubleUnion in SF as well as the Ada Iniatiative, and has a blog and
> twitter account both quite worth reading.  I'll let her cover the rest of
> her introduction, but welcome Leigh :)
>
>   Yay, Leigh! It's great to have you mod'ing here.
>
> -Mallory
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Re: [Gendergap] WMF employee editing

[Sarah Stierch]

I started and hosted on occasion lunch time editing events where people
could eat lunch and edit with coworkers.

It was fun! And new content and editors, primarily women, came out of it.

No clue what the status is now that I am not there.

When I worked there I actually felt weird being a Wikipedian at first as
people did not take me seriously in my position and would even verbally
make fun of editing as a hobby.

That is changing, and generally it's women who are taking the lead at
making the culture change at Wikimedia.

Sarah
On Jun 30, 2014 3:04 AM, "rupert THURNER"  wrote:

> hi, an interesting discussion. what do you mean by "dedicated time"? but
> it might as well be that working for the foundation is a regular paid job.
> becoming a volunteer editor out of a paid job is of course possible as sue
> gardner showed. but i think it is something not very typical. if wmf wants
> that their employees volunteer they might consider to only employ people
> who showed their commitment already. i am not so sure if this would make
> sense in every case.
>
> rupert
> Am 30.06.2014 02:29 schrieb "Keilana" :
>
>> I think having some dedicated time for the women of the Foundation to
>> edit in a social environment is one potential solution. I know I seem to be
>> like a broken record - women need invitation and dedicated time and social
>> support! - but it's so true. I think the Foundation is an environment ripe
>> for that kind of collaboration because they are already committed to the
>> movement and just need a little push to edit more. I'm not sure how we as a
>> community can support them besides generally being welcoming and not being
>> adversarial just because they're from WMF.
>>
>> -Emily
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Jun 29, 2014 at 3:45 PM, Pine W  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi, this is a question I've been wondering about for awhile, and I am
>>> interested in hearing comments.
>>>
>>> My impression is that few of WMF's female employees are regular content
>>> editors or regular Commons media contributors, although they occasionally
>>> have office discussions about how to increase the number of female editors.
>>> What could be done to encourage WMF's female employees to edit or
>>> contribute media files on a regular basis, and would the necessary
>>> encouragement for these women also apply to other working women who would
>>> make good editors?
>>>
>>> Pine
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Re: [Gendergap] Moderation and the future of Gendergap-L

[Sarah Stierch]

I've never been "suspended" (whatever that means) by anyone or anything. If
you're talking about me..? Before I'm the victim of any BLP violations ;)

I do know sometimes get Sarah (Slim Virgin) and myself confused (which I
take as a compliment :) )

I was an early moderator of this list, moderated it for quite sometime, and
left after burn out and the inability to handle my own frustrations on
mailing lists. Getting called names repeatedly doesn't help, either. I now
moderate some low traffic/low drama lists for the community. I am grateful
to everyone who moderates this list today and has in the past.

Men's rights activists are scary people. (They'd say the same about me, I'm
sure.) They have contributed to problems in my personal and professional
life for the past few years. I hate to use the phrase "victim" for my own
experiences, but, I have truly been a victim of their words, actions, and
such.  (and they would say the same thing about "us feminists")

Let's just say being a vocal active feminist in the world of Wikipedia is
not easy. I'm not legally able at this time to talk about some of the
experiences I've had, especially in recent months, that have been been
instigated by men's rights folks and active misogynists in the Wikimedia
community.

Thank you to everyone who continues to fight those fights on wiki. I
monitor a few pages now and deeply appreciate the work that you all do.

Onwards and upwards,

-Sarah


On Mon, Jun 30, 2014 at 7:11 PM, Marie Earley  wrote:

> Okay, 'permissible' was perhaps the wrong word to use, 'possible' was
> probably more appropriate, but I really do not understand this language of
> "reporting" and "going to the ANI". If I got into an argument with one of
> these men it is the last thing I would do.
>
> Posting something like the compulsory sterilization article on a website
> would get you jailed in the UK under hate speech law (example:
> http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/local-news/facebook-troll-jailed-after-targeting-901896
> ).
>
> I wouldn't take on one of these men on a talk page or anywhere else. I
> wouldn't try to sit around and have a reasonable discussion with anyone who
> mugged me either.
>
> Marie
>
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> To: gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
> Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2014 08:38:22 -0400
> Subject: Re: [Gendergap] Moderation and the future of Gendergap-L
>
>  -Original Message-
> *From:* Marie Earley [mailto:eir...@hotmail.com]
> *Sent:* 29 June 2014 14:07
> *To:* gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Gendergap] Moderation and the future of Gendergap-L
>
>
>
> "I entered "Wikipedia" and "male rights activists" and got this
> http://www.avoiceformen.com/feminism/fighting-wikipedia-corruption-censorship/
> which has a comments section at the bottom with current Wikipedia members
> mentioning other Wikipedia editors by name and talk of a great conspiracy
> at work against them, if Sarah was suspended for her off-site comments then
> how is this permissible?"
>
>
>
> - Reply -
>
>
>
> I don't think it's fair to assume that it's /permissible/.  Perhaps it
> just hasn't yet been brought to anyone's attention, or perhaps it's
> impossible to determine which Wikipedia editors are writing these things.
>
>
>
>
>
> Powers  &8^]
>
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Re: [Gendergap] Moderation and the future of Gendergap-L

[Sarah Stierch]

Ah ok, thanks Jeremy - sorry to waste peoples time!
On Jun 30, 2014 7:46 PM, "Jeremy Baron"  wrote:

> On Jun 30, 2014 10:27 PM, "Sarah Stierch"  wrote:
> > I've never been "suspended" (whatever that means) by anyone or anything.
> If you're talking about me..? Before I'm the victim of any BLP violations
> ;)
> >
> > I do know sometimes get Sarah (Slim Virgin) and myself confused (which I
> take as a compliment :) )
>
> For the record, the quote in question was SlimVirgin.
>
> -Jeremy
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Re: [Gendergap] men on lists

[Sarah Stierch]

+1 to Leigh.

Anyone involved with that mailing list (or others, like a few I am on) can
vouch for it.

Sarah
On Jul 3, 2014 11:02 AM, "Leigh Honeywell"  wrote:

> A. Mani,
>
> People's personal experiences don't need studies to back them up.
>
> -Leigh
>
> On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 10:55 AM, A. Mani  wrote:
> > On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 4:03 AM, Valerie Aurora
> >  wrote:
> >> and our mailing lists
> >> were more enjoyable and fulfilling for men looking for emotional
> >> boosts than for women looking for a supportive environment where they
> >> could talk about Linux.
> >
> >
> > Do you have a study backing this statement?
> >
> >
> > Best
> >
> > A. Mani
> >
> >
> >
> > A. Mani
> > [Last_Name. First_Name Format]
> > CU, ASL, AMS, ISRS, CLC, CMS
> > HomePage: http://www.logicamani.in
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Re: [Gendergap] Adrienne Wadewitz featured in short piece about Gendergap on the English Wikipedia

[Sarah Stierch]

Never read the comments. Never .
On Jul 8, 2014 6:50 PM, "Keilana"  wrote:

> If only, Tom. I would be shocked if that ever got removed.
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 7, 2014 at 6:15 AM, Tom Morris  wrote:
>
>> That’s really cool.
>>
>> (Just don’t read the comments. Awful misogyny contained therein. Is
>> there any way we can get that crap removed?)
>>
>> --
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>> 
>>
>>
>> - Original message -
>> From: Jane Darnell 
>> To: Increasing female participation in Wikimedia projects
>> 
>> Subject: [Gendergap] Adrienne Wadewitz featured in short piece about
>> Gendergap on the English Wikipedia
>> Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2014 12:54:55 +0200
>>
>> In case you missed it, the Signpost this week gives a link to this:
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TP8QCG7keQw
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