Re: [gentoo-dev] where goes Gentoo?
On Monday 06 June 2005 20:36, Mike Frysinger wrote: > you really cant make that kind of general statement and expect it to > hold ... often times there are packages where newer versions suck more > than previous ones (the way in which they suck i leave up to your > imagination) ... security/stable minded people are often served best by > ripping out the small fixes for the current 'most stable' version Sure, but I'd say the instances where that is truly necessary is rare... given the # of packages we deal with. Regardless of whatever QA we have or RH has, every "enterprise" organization has to do their own tests before they deploy new software. Backported fixes occasionally cause problems. In the end, RH has very little liability if a customer experiences downtime. If someone blindly deploys updates from any vendor and has downtime, they only have themselves to blame. I'll leave that to each respective package maintainer what's best. Setting a policy either way seems like a mistake. When people say that "enterprise" environments have these requirements (backporting fixes, et al), they're really talking about another distro, not Gentoo. A separate organization that uses Gentoo as a base, which would be great and the right way to go about it... If we stay flexible enough, people can get what they want out of Gentoo, even if it's not specifically tailored for either enterprise or home desktop environments. Cheers, Dylan Carlson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Public Key: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x708E165F -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] where goes Gentoo?
On Monday 06 June 2005 19:45, Collins Richey wrote: > 2. Enterprise users (as a general rule) are not interested in the > latest and greatest but rather in a stable, reasonably current system > that can remain in place (with guaranteed security fixes, of course) > with no "feature creep" for a few years. Even Gentoo stable is too > much of a moving target for such users. The user base (engineers > developing embedded Linux) I support is still well served by RH9 for > the most part! "Feature creep" is largely a problem upstream, not with package maintainers. And no, we're not gonna backport anything. If people really believe that backporting fixes = stable and/or secure, let them use RH. It's a belief, nothing more. Cheers, Dylan Carlson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Public Key: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x708E165F -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] where goes Gentoo?
On Monday 06 June 2005 16:55, Aron Griffis wrote: > I think that attempting to take Gentoo in the "enterprise" direction > is a mistake. I think that we are a hobbyist distribution. This > doesn't mean that we should not strive to meet some of the enterprise > goals. Those things can be important to hobbyists too. But I don't > think we should be aiming for corporate America. I've always felt Gentoo is better as a base or platform. There's certainly enough power in the tools we provide for anyone to roll something "enterprise" based upon our work. Or for any other purpose, including binary-only. Much in the same way as there are numerous distros that ARE Debian -- derived from and cooperative with, but not separate from. People could always try to fork, too, but many of us know how well that went for people who have tried... Cheers, -- Dylan Carlson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Public Key: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x708E165F -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
