Re: [gentoo-user] xorg-server 1.9.4: keybord very slow in consoles

2011-03-17 Thread Alexey Mishustin
3/16/2011, Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com вы писали:

On Wednesday 16 March 2011 19:05:32 Alexey Mishustin wrote:
 Hi list,
 
 I have a problem with configuring xorg-server 1.9.4.
 
 It starts and works OK. But just after it has started, the keyboard begins
 to work very slowly in all virtual consoles that were open prior to X.
 
 If I login in a new virtual console, the keyboard works well until I enter
 into an interactive tool (man, less). After that - the same behavior.
 
 I installed xorg in according to these instructions [1], then added
 InputClass definitions from this thread [2].
 
 Please suggest what I could have done wrong.
 
 xorg.conf - http://pastebin.com/Wwmy1eFf
 Xorg.0.log - http://pastebin.com/5aqCLKnH
 make.conf - http://pastebin.com/7St3T1ec
 http://pastebin.com/YpCm9puZ
 emerge --info - http://pastebin.com/NZUQYqhh
 kernel .config - http://pastebin.com/E6Syb7Ay
 
 Laptop ASUS WJ7.
 
 [1] - http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/xorg-config.xml
 [2] -
 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/gentoo/user/226332?do=post_view_thre
 aded

Alex, you have defined both your keyboard and mouse as InputDevice under 
Section ServerLayout, but then later on you specify them both as InputClass.

Aha... I'll try tonight, when at home. Thank you!

--
Regards, Alex



Re: [gentoo-user] Switching to a hardened profile and back again

2011-03-17 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Thu, 17 Mar 2011 00:28:54 +, Peter Humphrey wrote:

  IIRC, @system is not in @world unless you put it there yourself. (This
  might depend on your portage version, though).
 
 I'm sure I once saw a comment in a portage version that @system was
 being included in @world to preserve earlier behaviour.
 

From man emerge:

  world encompasses both the selected and system sets


-- 
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[gentoo-user] 答复: [gentoo-user] Switching to a hardened profile and back again

2011-03-17 Thread yokee


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主题: Re: [gentoo-user] Switching to a hardened profile and back again

On Thu, 17 Mar 2011 00:28:54 +, Peter Humphrey wrote:

  IIRC, @system is not in @world unless you put it there yourself. 
  (This might depend on your portage version, though).
 
 I'm sure I once saw a comment in a portage version that @system was 
 being included in @world to preserve earlier behaviour.
 

From man emerge:

  world encompasses both the selected and system sets


--
Neil Bothwick

What is a free gift ? Aren't all gifts free?





Re: [gentoo-user] Problem with X fonts when restarting from hibernate-to-disk

2011-03-17 Thread YoYo Siska
On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 07:26:58PM -0400, Walter Dnes wrote:
   I'm not sure where to look.  I've recently started having font
 problems when restarting my PC from hibernate-to-disk.  Here are the
 symptoms...
 * I hibernate my home desktop machine when not using it
 * when I restart from hibernate, the following problems *SOMETIMES* occur
 * existing GUI windows are OK
 * launching new programs or dialogues (YES/NO, Apply/Cancel, etc) seems
   to have zero-size fonts
 * shutting down X and restarting it solves the problem, but if I have to
   go through that, it's almost as cumbersome as sudo /usr/sbin/poff
   and booting fresh
 
   I'm attaching a partial screen-capture of an existing gnumeric
 spreadsheet and a new one launched after waking up from hibernation.
 The tracker.gnumeric spreadsheet that was opened before hibernation is
 OK.  The Book1.gnumeric spreadsheet was opened after waking up from
 hibernate.  Note the missing File Edit View etc text menus.  The
 location and formula areas are very thin, compared to the same areas in
 tracker.gnumeric.  This happens to Opera, AbiWord, etc.  I did this
 partial screencapture with Gimp.  I left it open before hibernating.
 The radiobuttons and icons were OK in the screencapture dialogue, but
 the fonts were screwed up on the dialogue.  I managed to do the
 screencapture from memory of which button was which.

Might be that something happens to X's DPI settings during the
suspend/resume...
You can try to comaper the outputs of 
xdpyinfo | egrep dimensions|resolution
and maybe 
xrandr
befor and after the suspend.

Also all the applications you metion are GTK V(well, I'm not sure about
opera...), does the same happen to qt, qk, plain xlib applications also?

yoyo



Re: [gentoo-user] Switching to a hardened profile and back again

2011-03-17 Thread Alex Schuster
Neil Bothwick writes:

 On Thu, 17 Mar 2011 00:28:54 +, Peter Humphrey wrote:
   IIRC, @system is not in @world unless you put it there yourself.
   (This might depend on your portage version, though).
  
  I'm sure I once saw a comment in a portage version that @system was
  being included in @world to preserve earlier behaviour.
 
 From man emerge:
 
   world encompasses both the selected and system sets

BTW, this can be toggled by putting or not putting 'system' into 
/var/lib/portage/world_sets.

Wonko



Re: [gentoo-user] Switching to a hardened profile and back again

2011-03-17 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Thu, 17 Mar 2011 14:42:30 +0100, Alex Schuster wrote:

  From man emerge:
  
world encompasses both the selected and system sets  
 
 BTW, this can be toggled by putting or not putting 'system' into 
 /var/lib/portage/world_sets.

That was the case for a while with portage-2.2, but it appears that
@system is now automatically part of @world. That's how I read the man
page that says that @world encompasses @system, without any setting by the
user. A new install no longer includes @system in world_sets.


-- 
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Re: [gentoo-user] Switching to a hardened profile and back again

2011-03-17 Thread Dale

Neil Bothwick wrote:

On Thu, 17 Mar 2011 14:42:30 +0100, Alex Schuster wrote:

   

 From man emerge:

   world encompasses both the selected and system sets
   

BTW, this can be toggled by putting or not putting 'system' into
/var/lib/portage/world_sets.
 

That was the case for a while with portage-2.2, but it appears that
@system is now automatically part of @world. That's how I read the man
page that says that @world encompasses @system, without any setting by the
user. A new install no longer includes @system in world_sets.


   


That appears to be true here.  I have portage 2.2 installed and system 
is no longer in that file.  It used to be but not anymore.


I wonder how a person would override that if they needed to tho?  Not 
sure why a person would but anyway.


Dale

:-)  :-)



Re: [gentoo-user] Switching to a hardened profile and back again

2011-03-17 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Thu, 17 Mar 2011 09:27:55 -0500, Dale wrote:

 That appears to be true here.  I have portage 2.2 installed and system 
 is no longer in that file.  It used to be but not anymore.
 
 I wonder how a person would override that if they needed to tho?  Not 
 sure why a person would but anyway.

cp /var/lib/portage/world /etc/portage/sets/my_world
emerge @my_world


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Re: [gentoo-user] Problem with X fonts when restarting from hibernate-to-disk

2011-03-17 Thread Mark Knecht
On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 4:26 PM, Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org wrote:
  I'm not sure where to look.  I've recently started having font
 problems when restarting my PC from hibernate-to-disk.  Here are the
 symptoms...
 * I hibernate my home desktop machine when not using it
 * when I restart from hibernate, the following problems *SOMETIMES* occur
 * existing GUI windows are OK
 * launching new programs or dialogues (YES/NO, Apply/Cancel, etc) seems
  to have zero-size fonts
 * shutting down X and restarting it solves the problem, but if I have to
  go through that, it's almost as cumbersome as sudo /usr/sbin/poff
  and booting fresh

  I'm attaching a partial screen-capture of an existing gnumeric
 spreadsheet and a new one launched after waking up from hibernation.
 The tracker.gnumeric spreadsheet that was opened before hibernation is
 OK.  The Book1.gnumeric spreadsheet was opened after waking up from
 hibernate.  Note the missing File Edit View etc text menus.  The
 location and formula areas are very thin, compared to the same areas in
 tracker.gnumeric.  This happens to Opera, AbiWord, etc.  I did this
 partial screencapture with Gimp.  I left it open before hibernating.
 The radiobuttons and icons were OK in the screencapture dialogue, but
 the fonts were screwed up on the dialogue.  I managed to do the
 screencapture from memory of which button was which.

 --
 Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org


In addition to YoYo's comments it may also be graphics driver problem.
There were some comments on the Intel Gfx list this morning about
certain chips losing bit settings in hibernation. Possibly it's
something like that.

I don't know what hardware you're using but if the problem occurs
across lots of different app types, and because you used the words
'have started having font problems' implying maybe you didn't earlier,
then look into newer/older drivers to bisect the problem.

- Mark



[gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo Live 11.0

2011-03-17 Thread James
Walter Dnes waltdnes at waltdnes.org writes:


   WINE, which runs some Windows apps, will not build on a 64-bit system
 without multilib support.  I found that out the hard way after
 installing pure 64-bit on my machine.  Rather than wipe+reinstall, I
 ended up installing a 32-bit Gentoo guest under qemu-kvm, and installed
 WINE on that.


Walter, 
You have confused me. First you indicate that multilib is
needed for WINE. Then you indicate that you had to use the
32 bit mixed mode (no multilib) under  qemu-kvm, and 
and then install WINE under the 32 bit qemu.

So if you were installing a system, just to run wine, would it
be multilib or hybrid (64 and 32 bit) ?


James












[gentoo-user] Re: Switching to a hardened profile and back again

2011-03-17 Thread Francesco Talamona
On Thursday 17 March 2011, Neil Bothwick wrote:
 cp /var/lib/portage/world /etc/portage/sets/my_world
 emerge @my_world

Neil, this is simply wonderful :)
Thanks
FT
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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo Live 11.0

2011-03-17 Thread Mark Knecht
On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 9:05 AM, James wirel...@tampabay.rr.com wrote:
 Walter Dnes waltdnes at waltdnes.org writes:


   WINE, which runs some Windows apps, will not build on a 64-bit system
 without multilib support.  I found that out the hard way after
 installing pure 64-bit on my machine.  Rather than wipe+reinstall, I
 ended up installing a 32-bit Gentoo guest under qemu-kvm, and installed
 WINE on that.


 Walter,
 You have confused me. First you indicate that multilib is
 needed for WINE. Then you indicate that you had to use the
 32 bit mixed mode (no multilib) under  qemu-kvm, and
 and then install WINE under the 32 bit qemu.

 So if you were installing a system, just to run wine, would it
 be multilib or hybrid (64 and 32 bit) ?


 James

James,

1) Wine is 32-bit
2) Walter had a 64-bit only system
3) Walter had 2 choices:

a) Wipe the system and start over making it a multi-lib system
b) Create a 32-bit chroot

He chose b).

It's not possible to 'install a system to ONLY run Wine', but if you
want to run Windows apps you have 3 choices:

1) Install 32-bit Gentoo on your 64-bit hardware. Not very interesting to me.
2) Install 64-bit Gentoo with multi-lib support. This is what I do,
although I don't run Wine anymore as I use Vbox  VMware.
3) Install 64-bit Gentoo without multi-lib support and run which in a
32-bit chroot. Double the Gentoo maintenance because you are now
required to keep both the 32-bit  64-bit installs up-to-date.

Hope this help.



Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo Live 11.0

2011-03-17 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Thu, 17 Mar 2011 09:24:28 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote:

  So if you were installing a system, just to run wine, would it
  be multilib or hybrid (64 and 32 bit) ?

There's no such thing as a hybrid system. Multilib is what you need to
run 32 bit software.

 1) Wine is 32-bit
 2) Walter had a 64-bit only system
 3) Walter had 2 choices:
 
 a) Wipe the system and start over making it a multi-lib system
 b) Create a 32-bit chroot

Actually, he set up a 32-bit VM, in which case he may have been able to do

c) Install Windows in the VM.


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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo Live 11.0

2011-03-17 Thread Mark Knecht
On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 9:37 AM, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote:
 On Thu, 17 Mar 2011 09:24:28 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote:

  So if you were installing a system, just to run wine, would it
  be multilib or hybrid (64 and 32 bit) ?

 There's no such thing as a hybrid system. Multilib is what you need to
 run 32 bit software.

 1) Wine is 32-bit
 2) Walter had a 64-bit only system
 3) Walter had 2 choices:

 a) Wipe the system and start over making it a multi-lib system
 b) Create a 32-bit chroot

 Actually, he set up a 32-bit VM, in which case he may have been able to do

 c) Install Windows in the VM.


 --
 Neil Bothwick

OK, that's a different reading of his words. You are likely correct,
and that's identical to what I do using VMWare to run 32-bit XP or
Virtualbox to run 64-bit Win 7. No reason for VMWare other than it's
the one I started with. I've found over the last year I prefer
Virtualbox.

Cheers,
Mark



Re: [gentoo-user] xorg-server 1.9.4: keybord very slow in consoles

2011-03-17 Thread Alexey Mishustin
17 марта 2011 г., 1:43:07, Mick пишет:

 On Wednesday 16 March 2011 19:05:32 Alexey Mishustin wrote:
 Hi list,

 I have a problem with configuring xorg-server 1.9.4.

 It starts and works OK. But just after it has started, the keyboard begins
 to work very slowly in all virtual consoles that were open prior to X.

 If I login in a new virtual console, the keyboard works well until I enter
 into an interactive tool (man, less). After that - the same behavior.

 I installed xorg in according to these instructions [1], then added
 InputClass definitions from this thread [2].

 Please suggest what I could have done wrong.

 xorg.conf - http://pastebin.com/Wwmy1eFf
 Xorg.0.log - http://pastebin.com/5aqCLKnH
 make.conf - http://pastebin.com/7St3T1ec
 http://pastebin.com/YpCm9puZ
 emerge --info - http://pastebin.com/NZUQYqhh
 kernel .config - http://pastebin.com/E6Syb7Ay

 Laptop ASUS WJ7.

 [1] - http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/xorg-config.xml
 [2] -
 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/gentoo/user/226332?do=post_view_thre
 aded

 Alex, you have defined both your keyboard and mouse as InputDevice under 
 Section ServerLayout, but then later on you specify them both as InputClass.

 Comment out the InputDevice sections or remove them completely as shown in 
 thread [2] above.

I deleted definitions of InputDevices and the corresponding rows in the 
ServerLayout section. Unfortunately, it didn't help. I'm getting the same weird 
behaviour of the keyboard in consoles.

A testing has shown that the keyboard gets broken in a new-open console not 
only after `man`, and `less` but even after `ls`.

My corrected xorg.conf - http://pastebin.com/P6SbzUDF

--
Regards, Alex




Re: [gentoo-user] xorg-server 1.9.4: keybord very slow in consoles

2011-03-17 Thread Mick
On 17 March 2011 16:55, Alexey Mishustin shum...@shumkar.ru wrote:
 17 марта 2011 г., 1:43:07, Mick пишет:

 On Wednesday 16 March 2011 19:05:32 Alexey Mishustin wrote:
 Hi list,

 I have a problem with configuring xorg-server 1.9.4.

 It starts and works OK. But just after it has started, the keyboard begins
 to work very slowly in all virtual consoles that were open prior to X.

 If I login in a new virtual console, the keyboard works well until I enter
 into an interactive tool (man, less). After that - the same behavior.

 I installed xorg in according to these instructions [1], then added
 InputClass definitions from this thread [2].

 Please suggest what I could have done wrong.

 xorg.conf - http://pastebin.com/Wwmy1eFf
 Xorg.0.log - http://pastebin.com/5aqCLKnH
 make.conf - http://pastebin.com/7St3T1ec
 http://pastebin.com/YpCm9puZ
 emerge --info - http://pastebin.com/NZUQYqhh
 kernel .config - http://pastebin.com/E6Syb7Ay

 Laptop ASUS WJ7.

 [1] - http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/xorg-config.xml
 [2] -
 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/gentoo/user/226332?do=post_view_thre
 aded

 Alex, you have defined both your keyboard and mouse as InputDevice under
 Section ServerLayout, but then later on you specify them both as 
 InputClass.

 Comment out the InputDevice sections or remove them completely as shown in
 thread [2] above.

 I deleted definitions of InputDevices and the corresponding rows in the 
 ServerLayout section. Unfortunately, it didn't help. I'm getting the same 
 weird behaviour of the keyboard in consoles.

 A testing has shown that the keyboard gets broken in a new-open console not 
 only after `man`, and `less` but even after `ls`.

 My corrected xorg.conf - http://pastebin.com/P6SbzUDF

I can't see anything immediately wrong with it ...

Why do you have:

Disable  dri
Disable  dri2

in there?

PS.  Have you re-emerged evdev and synaptics after you emerged xorg-server?
-- 
Regards,
Mick



Re: [gentoo-user] xorg-server 1.9.4: keybord very slow in consoles

2011-03-17 Thread Alexey Mishustin
Found similar bug reports.

http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=247543
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18622

It's not good news for me that these bugs both haven't been resolved so far...
I am not using neither slim nor gdm. No display manager at all. Openbox only.

--
Regards, Alex




Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Switching to a hardened profile and back again

2011-03-17 Thread klondike
Going to try to settle and clarify things once and for all.

You can switch back to non hardened if needed, make sure you have your
old non hardened kernel as an option on your bootloader just in case as
that will disable most hardening features (including PIE), so your
system will only have SSP as source of possible troubles.

The steps on the FAQ have been agreeded by the whole hardened team on
meetings, and there are reasons for them:
You need to emerge gcc and glibc on the first stage to make sure they
include any hardening needed since they are patched (at least gcc is and
glibc includes the SSP code).
You need to emerge then system for two reasons, first because if
something fails going back will be easier, then because some of the
system libraries and tools have hardening patches.
Finally you need to emerge the whole world to make sure all the packages
(even system ones) are built and linked with hardened features and
libraries.
In a similar way you can repeat the above steps again after going back
to your preferred non hardened profile.
Also remind that any changes from hardened to non hardened and viceversa
must be made on a non hardened kernel.

Tip: generate binary packages for world before jumping to hardened as
that will make recovery easier in case the change fails and will speed
up going back a lot.

BTW: for those of you who haven't noticed we added the --keep-going flag
to the system and world emerges so the system keeps trying to build if
any of the packages fails, in that case filling a bug would be a good idea.

Not more to say, if you need to run in softmode just follow the FAQ but
then PaX will be mostly disabled so it is an almost not hardened kernel
meanwhile.



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Re: [gentoo-user] xorg-server 1.9.4: keybord very slow in consoles

2011-03-17 Thread Alexey Mishustin
17 марта 2011 г., 20:29:26, Mick пишет:

 On 17 March 2011 16:55, Alexey Mishustin shum...@shumkar.ru wrote:
 17 марта 2011 г., 1:43:07, Mick пишет:

 On Wednesday 16 March 2011 19:05:32 Alexey Mishustin wrote:
 Hi list,

 I have a problem with configuring xorg-server 1.9.4.

 It starts and works OK. But just after it has started, the keyboard begins
 to work very slowly in all virtual consoles that were open prior to X.

 If I login in a new virtual console, the keyboard works well until I enter
 into an interactive tool (man, less). After that - the same behavior.

 I installed xorg in according to these instructions [1], then added
 InputClass definitions from this thread [2].

 Please suggest what I could have done wrong.

 xorg.conf - http://pastebin.com/Wwmy1eFf
 Xorg.0.log - http://pastebin.com/5aqCLKnH
 make.conf - http://pastebin.com/7St3T1ec
 http://pastebin.com/YpCm9puZ
 emerge --info - http://pastebin.com/NZUQYqhh
 kernel .config - http://pastebin.com/E6Syb7Ay

 Laptop ASUS WJ7.

 [1] - http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/xorg-config.xml
 [2] -
 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/gentoo/user/226332?do=post_view_thre
 aded

 Alex, you have defined both your keyboard and mouse as InputDevice under
 Section ServerLayout, but then later on you specify them both as 
 InputClass.

 Comment out the InputDevice sections or remove them completely as shown in
 thread [2] above.

 I deleted definitions of InputDevices and the corresponding rows in the 
 ServerLayout section. Unfortunately, it didn't help. I'm getting the same 
 weird behaviour of the keyboard in consoles.

 A testing has shown that the keyboard gets broken in a new-open console not 
 only after `man`, and `less` but even after `ls`.

 My corrected xorg.conf - http://pastebin.com/P6SbzUDF

 I can't see anything immediately wrong with it ...

 Why do you have:

 Disable  dri
 Disable  dri2

 in there?

I had changed xorg.conf many times before writing to this list. Read that 
nvidia driver doesn't use dri which is intended for open drivers, I commented 
it out.

Yesterday I tried to startx without 'Disable dri', no effect...

 PS.  Have you re-emerged evdev and synaptics after you emerged xorg-server?

No. It's what I can do now.

--
Regards, Alex.




[gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo Live 11.0

2011-03-17 Thread James
Neil Bothwick neil at digimed.co.uk writes:


   So if you were installing a system, just to run wine, would it
   be multilib or hybrid (64 and 32 bit) ?

 There's no such thing as a hybrid system. Multilib is what you need to
 run 32 bit software.

Right; that's just the name used to describe the other than multilib
liveDVD. Ah, (like turning on) I see that multilib is the 64+32 bit
version. I now do not understand why 'hybrid was used at all...
oh well.

  1) Wine is 32-bit
  2) Walter had a 64-bit only system
  3) Walter had 2 choices:
  a) Wipe the system and start over making it a multi-lib system
  b) Create a 32-bit chroot

OK, got it.

When I look in ~pub/gentoo/releases/amd64/11.0/

I see these:
livedvd-amd64-multilib-11.0.iso

livedvd-x86-amd64-32ul-11.0.iso

But the author's review used the term
hybrid and therefor confused me

it would seem that the 32ul-11.0.iso
version would be the one to run 32
bit software on?

but when you look at profile choices
on a 64bit AMD system, you see
no-multilib implying that everything
is multilib, unless specified

Sorry for being so dense on this.
the name hybrid just confused me 
to no end, when actually it was the 64-bit-only
version of the software;profile;etc
 


thanks,
James






Re: [gentoo-user] xorg-server 1.9.4: keybord very slow in consoles

2011-03-17 Thread Alexey Mishustin
 PS.  Have you re-emerged evdev and synaptics after you emerged xorg-server?

 No. It's what I can do now.

Done. It didn't help.

--
Regards, Alex.




Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo Live 11.0

2011-03-17 Thread Mark Knecht
On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 10:59 AM, James wirel...@tampabay.rr.com wrote:
SNIP

 it would seem that the 32ul-11.0.iso
 version would be the one to run 32
 bit software on?
SNIP

I cannot speak for the LiveDVD as I've not tried it but remember there
are still lots of older machines running 32-processors in them that
need a 32-bit only DVD to install at all. I suspect the purpose of the
32-bit DVD is to support those boxes.

As evidence of the growth of 64-bit machines in at least the vocal
part of the Gentoo users (those using the user's lists) I started
running 64-bit Gentoo about 5-6 years and at this time no longer even
own any (working) 32-bit machines. Up until about 3 years ago the
Gentoo amd64 list had all the 64-bit specific question traffic. As of
today that list is almost totally quiet implying that nearly all
64-bit users are just using this list and most folks see no
distinction anymore. If that's true then it's easy to forget that
there may be lots of quiet 32-bit users still out there.

- Mark



Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo Live 11.0

2011-03-17 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Thu, 17 Mar 2011 17:59:09 + (UTC), James wrote:

  There's no such thing as a hybrid system. Multilib is what you need to
  run 32 bit software.  
 
 Right; that's just the name used to describe the other than multilib
 liveDVD. Ah, (like turning on) I see that multilib is the 64+32 bit
 version. I now do not understand why 'hybrid was used at all...
 oh well.

We've already covered this; the term hybrid is used to describe a dual
boot DVD for x86 and x86_64 systems.


-- 
Neil Bothwick

Love is grand. Divorce is a few grand more.


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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo Live 11.0

2011-03-17 Thread Bill Longman
On 03/17/2011 11:41 AM, Mark Knecht wrote:
 On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 10:59 AM, James wirel...@tampabay.rr.com wrote:
 SNIP

 it would seem that the 32ul-11.0.iso
 version would be the one to run 32
 bit software on?
 SNIP
 
 I cannot speak for the LiveDVD as I've not tried it but remember there
 are still lots of older machines running 32-processors in them that
 need a 32-bit only DVD to install at all. I suspect the purpose of the
 32-bit DVD is to support those boxes.
 
 As evidence of the growth of 64-bit machines in at least the vocal
 part of the Gentoo users (those using the user's lists) I started
 running 64-bit Gentoo about 5-6 years and at this time no longer even
 own any (working) 32-bit machines. Up until about 3 years ago the
 Gentoo amd64 list had all the 64-bit specific question traffic. As of
 today that list is almost totally quiet implying that nearly all
 64-bit users are just using this list and most folks see no
 distinction anymore. If that's true then it's easy to forget that
 there may be lots of quiet 32-bit users still out there.

I'll second your comments, Mark. I now have only my trusty Dell 600SC
still running 32-bit but that's only because that's all it can do. Had
it a 64-bit CPU I would be completely devoid of the 32-bit platform on
any of my personal machines. I have to remember, now, when I am working
on that machine, that *it* is now the one-off machine, not the other way
around like it had been three years ago.

All in all, I'd have to say that the move from 32 to 64 has gone rather
painlessly on Gentoo, so, hat's off to the folks on this list and all
the Gentoo devs.



[gentoo-user] delete acces point with wicd

2011-03-17 Thread Stéphane Guedon
Hello

I am in a wifi network currently, the newtork provider say to me to choose the 
best accespoint and to delete the others. If I don't do that, my computer is 
always jumping between differents accesspoint.

I use wicd to manage internet connexion.

How can I deal it ?

Thanks
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