[gentoo-user] Re: Getting rid of all kde components
Dirk Heinrichs [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Am Dienstag 18 November 2008 07:14:02 schrieb ext Harry Putnam: I've decided to stop using KDE after yrs of use... given that gentoo compiles everything from scratch, its just getting to much time lost jacking around with kde during upgrades. Hmm, you already complained about installation (or compile) time in the cfg- update thread. Why did you choose Gentoo, if you don't like compiling stuff? BTW: I run KDE updates in the night. You seem hell bent on picking a fight with me. But I'm not biting. You are obviously far to sophisticated and knowledgeable for me. Or at least you clearly think so. And yet it slipped right over your head that I'm clearly juggling things around that are bothersome to compile so that I can continue to run Gentoo, like I've been doing long before I ever saw your name on this list. That huge intellect has told you to read that as a complaint.. and who am I to argue. So I'll just leave it that its not really up to you what I do or don't like to compile or what OS I run. PS- This is just a thought, but have you considered restricting your responses to the subject at hand instead of finding something in a query to suit your need to showoff that towering intellect?
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Getting rid of all kde components
Am Dienstag 18 November 2008 09:06:20 schrieb ext Harry Putnam: You seem hell bent on picking a fight with me. But I'm not biting. Wow, calm down. I was just curious. Bye... Dirk -- Dirk Heinrichs | Tel: +49 (0)162 234 3408 Configuration Manager | Fax: +49 (0)211 47068 111 Capgemini Deutschland | Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wanheimerstraße 68 | Web: http://www.capgemini.com D-40468 Düsseldorf | ICQ#: 110037733 GPG Public Key C2E467BB | Keyserver: wwwkeys.pgp.net signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
[gentoo-user] Re: Getting rid of all kde components
Dirk Heinrichs [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Am Dienstag 18 November 2008 09:06:20 schrieb ext Harry Putnam: You seem hell bent on picking a fight with me. But I'm not biting. Wow, calm down. I was just curious. Not buying Dirk. Hmm, you already complained about installation (or compile) time in the cfg- update thread. Why did you choose Gentoo, if you don't like compiling stuff? That is not the way someone who is `just curious' phasing things. The subject was Getting rid of all kde components. If you aren't going to talk about that then the normal thing is to start a new thread or hold you piece.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Getting rid of all kde components
On Tuesday 18 November 2008 10:25:24 Harry Putnam wrote: Hmm, you already complained about installation (or compile) time in the cfg- update thread. Why did you choose Gentoo, if you don't like compiling stuff? That is not the way someone who is `just curious' phasing things. You don't know Dirk :-) That really is how he phrases a I just wanna know question. -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Getting rid of all kde components
On Dienstag 18 November 2008, Alan McKinnon wrote: On Tuesday 18 November 2008 10:25:24 Harry Putnam wrote: Hmm, you already complained about installation (or compile) time in the cfg- update thread. Why did you choose Gentoo, if you don't like compiling stuff? That is not the way someone who is `just curious' phasing things. You don't know Dirk :-) That really is how he phrases a I just wanna know question. besides, he is one of the more knowledgeable persons on this list - you shall not fight with them, you loose to many helpfull answers that way.
[gentoo-user] Re: Getting rid of all kde components
Volker Armin Hemmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: But why attacking Dirk for his valid question? The OP has complained in two threads about compiling. If you don't like compiling, gentoo is not for you. If Dirk wants to ask a question about why people should not use gentoo if they don't like to compile KDE, let him start a thread about it. Don't hijack a thread about getting rid of the various components. (and what was the other complaint you mention?) And anyway a moments thought would have given him the answer. There is no mystery there, That someone finds gentoo worthwhile even though they don't like the time sink involved in compiling kde is not mysterious or hard to understand. It wasn't an innocent `gosh I'm just interested' question. OP wrote: I've decided to stop using KDE after yrs of use... given that gentoo compiles everything from scratch, its just getting to much time lost jacking around with kde during upgrades. Armin, That is not a complaint. Just a statement of fact. And let me repeat. Not liking to compile lengthy things does not make gentoo wrong for me. It's not up to you to decide that for me. Armin wrote: besides, he is one of the more knowledgeable persons on this list - you shall not fight with them, you loose to many helpfull answers that way. That's true and god knows I've needed plenty of help over the yrs, but there comes a point where wiseass, off subject, putdowns need to be dealt with. Dirks style is to pull out some piece of a query and then take off on that instead of dealing with the subject. It derails the thread as you've seen I've gotten lots of good answers from you about a host of subjects and I thank you for it. They've been well appreciated. I don't recall any of your responses asking pointless questions not on subject that derail the thread either. They've been short and to the point. Usually cutting right to the chase. But it seems people here have a sore point about compiling. Any mention of it being time consuming or a right pain in the butt, brings out commentary about how gentoo is not for that person. You may like the advantages compiling from scratch holds for you... so you do it gladly. Does not mean you have to like it. Do you actually like compiling?... You like taking hours and hours to get a current system if you fall behind? I really doubt that. So you make adjustments to deal with it. Compiling at night, ditching hefty items that are not really that useful, etc etc. Kde no longer holds enough useful advantages for me to put up with the compiling. Simple as that... no underlying dig about gentoo there. No need to respond that gentoo is not for me. I have a good idea of what gentoo is about, You might have seen my name here for yrs now. Its still a pain in that butt to loose hours and hours to compile KDE. So I ditched it. Finding all I need in blackbox. You may not have seen the first post, but I gave a clear reason as to what I was up to in the very first message: OP wrote: I've decided to stop using KDE after yrs of use... given that gentoo compiles everything from scratch, its just getting to much time lost jacking around with kde during upgrades. But also I'd forgotten what the oldtime linux desktops were like. fvwm was the main one in use when I started circa 1997. I see blackbox is even a bit more stark... but since I am mainly command line oriented it doesn't present a problem. [...] And then on to the question about getting rid of kde-base/arts. Its completely obvious there what is going on. I'm moving to a desktop more in keeping with my mostly commandline way of working. Yrs ago I started using KDE for what seems a small reason. You could pull stuff around in the pager. A feature I was used to from using fvwm. But fvwm was falling out of use in redhat about that time. Gnome and KDE were the desktops easiest to get working then. (Gentoo didn't exist yet at that time ( I don't think ) Not even Enoch was available yet.) But in the early days of GNOME its pager did not have that capability. You had to change to the other desktop to move an application or xterm so I chose kde because I liked the pager better. After that I just got used to using kde. When I moved to gentoo several yrs ago I stayed with kde Now I'm rediscovering the simplicity of a desktop like blackbox. (And you can move stuff around in its pager to boot)
[gentoo-user] Re: Getting rid of all kde components
Daniel da Veiga [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It doesn't seem like a complain, if you read it like you would really answer it. It wast just a comment to justify the question. I don't see a reason to question his comment. Gentoo is about choice (not just compiling), and this thread is about Getting rid of all KDE components. Someone goes off-topic and all of a sudden the OP feels attacked (I would feel the same). If you're not going to answer the question, don't send it to the list. [...] Thank you... and for the nice outline I've snipped
[gentoo-user] Re: Getting rid of all kde components
Alan McKinnon [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm pretty sure at least some of this doesn't actually depend on kde-base/arts but not quite sure what to make of the output. You have it the wrong way round. Those packages do not depend on arts, instead arts depends on them. They are needed to either run or to build arts. Egad, of course. And I've used several of the depends commands for quite some time now yet every once in a while I get to thinking backwards with it. Thanks for the friendly nudge instead of a nasty whack with a 2x4.
