Re: [gentoo-user] excess x11 drivers
On Sunday 16 November 2008 02:24:10 Harry Putnam wrote: I posted some output in anther thread concerning update world (Subject: How to fix a hefty (emerge) blocking problem) Someone noticed I had too many x11 drivers installed and suggested I set the /etc/make.conf VIDEO_CARDS variable (which I never have set before) X.org used to be a huge monolithic program - a holdover from the days before it forked off from XFree86. It built every single driver in the package even though it could only use one at a time. Recently, X.org was improved to be modular, which means you could build only the bits you need. A binary distro like Ubuntu still builds all of them as they have no idea what hardware you have. On Gentoo, you build the thing yourself. the env var VIDEO_CARDS is how you tell Gentoo what you have and it builds only the necessary drivers. All those other packages are drivers you don't use, they are in separate packages so they can be installed separately. Some thing in this life you just ignore and filter out of your vision. Those extra packages is one of those things. -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] excess x11 drivers
Someone noticed I had too many x11 drivers installed and suggested I set the /etc/make.conf VIDEO_CARDS variable (which I never have set before) I figured out I have an nvidia card so set VIDEO_CARDS=nv Now with my emerge -vuDN @system @world complete I'm unable to start X. (More on that later in a separate thread) SNIP Whats all that for? Checking dependancies on a few I see: dep -l x11-drivers/xf86-video-voodoo: ! x11-base/xorg-x11-6.9 on all I checked. What can this mean? Give this a shot: VIDEO_CARDS=nvidia No, nvidia is for the proprietary binary nvida driver. The free driver for nvidia cards is called NV. I have a GeForce4 MX 440 and I have this in my make.conf: VIDEO_CARDS=nv vesa And this results in $ emerge -pv xorg-server These are the packages that would be merged, in order: Calculating dependencies ... done! [ebuild R ] x11-base/xorg-server-1.3.0.0-r6 USE=nptl sdl xorg -3dfx -debug -dmx -dri -ipv6 -kdrive -minimal -xprint INPUT_DEVICES=evdev keyboard mouse -acecad -aiptek -calcomp -citron -digitaledge -dmc -dynapro -elo2300 -elographics -fpit -hyperpen -jamstudio -joystick -magellan -microtouch -mutouch -palmax -penmount -spaceorb -summa -synaptics -tek4957 -ur98 -vmmouse -void -wacom VIDEO_CARDS=nv vesa -apm -ark -chips -cirrus -cyrix -dummy -epson -fbdev -fglrx -glint -i128 -i740 (-impact) -imstt -intel -mach64 -mga -neomagic (-newport) -nsc -nvidia -r128 -radeon -rendition -s3 -s3virge -savage -siliconmotion -sis -sisusb (-sunbw2) (-suncg14) (-suncg3) (-suncg6) (-sunffb) (-sunleo) (-suntcx) -tdfx -tga -trident -tseng -v4l -vga -via -vmware -voodoo 0 kB and $ equery list x11-drivers/ [ Searching for all packages in 'x11-drivers' among: ] * installed packages [I--] [ ] x11-drivers/xf86-input-evdev-1.1.5-r1 (0) [I--] [ ] x11-drivers/xf86-input-keyboard-1.1.1 (0) [I--] [ ] x11-drivers/xf86-input-mouse-1.2.3 (0) [I--] [ ] x11-drivers/xf86-video-nv-2.1.9 (0) [I--] [ ] x11-drivers/xf86-video-vesa-1.3.0 (0) -- Software is like sex: it is better when it is free - Linus Torvalds
Re: [gentoo-user] excess x11 drivers
No, nvidia is for the proprietary binary nvida driver. The free driver for nvidia cards is called NV. By NV I meant nv. I always see it uncapitalized, so I think this (nv) is its name, not NV. Sorry for the typo.
Re: [gentoo-user] excess x11 drivers
On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 10:24 PM, Harry Putnam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I posted some output in anther thread concerning update world (Subject: How to fix a hefty (emerge) blocking problem) Someone noticed I had too many x11 drivers installed and suggested I set the /etc/make.conf VIDEO_CARDS variable (which I never have set before) I figured out I have an nvidia card so set VIDEO_CARDS=nv Could you please post your entire make.conf?
Re: [gentoo-user] excess x11 drivers
Am Sonntag, 16. November 2008 01:24:10 schrieb Harry Putnam: But a little peek with eix -Ic |grep x11-drivers I still see a hefty mess of them: They wont go away just because you've set VIDEO_CARDS. You have to uninstall them either manually or by running emerge --depclean (-p). HTH... Dirk
Re: [gentoo-user] excess x11 drivers
Am Sonntag, 16. November 2008 01:24:10 schrieb Harry Putnam: dep -l x11-drivers/xf86-video-voodoo: ! x11-base/xorg-x11-6.9 Actaully, the output is: # dep -l x11-drivers/xf86-video-voodoo x11-drivers/xf86-video-voodoo-1.1.1: !=x11-base/xorg-x11-6.9 And this means: You should not have a version of xorg-x11 less than or equal to 6.9 installed if you want to install xf86-video-voodoo-1.1.1. If you have, you'll get one of the famous blocks you already fell in love with ;-) HTH... Dirk
Re: [gentoo-user] excess x11 drivers
On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 12:19 PM, Jorge Peixoto de Morais Neto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 10:24 PM, Harry Putnam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I posted some output in anther thread concerning update world (Subject: How to fix a hefty (emerge) blocking problem) Someone noticed I had too many x11 drivers installed and suggested I set the /etc/make.conf VIDEO_CARDS variable (which I never have set before) I figured out I have an nvidia card so set VIDEO_CARDS=nv Could you please post your entire make.conf? While we are at it, could you please post emerge --info? -- Software is like sex: it is better when it is free - Linus Torvalds
Re: [gentoo-user] excess x11 drivers
Am Sonntag, 16. November 2008 16:12:58 schrieb Jorge Peixoto de Morais Neto: On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 12:19 PM, Jorge Peixoto de Morais Neto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 10:24 PM, Harry Putnam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I posted some output in anther thread concerning update world (Subject: How to fix a hefty (emerge) blocking problem) Someone noticed I had too many x11 drivers installed and suggested I set the /etc/make.conf VIDEO_CARDS variable (which I never have set before) I figured out I have an nvidia card so set VIDEO_CARDS=nv Could you please post your entire make.conf? While we are at it, could you please post emerge --info? Just courious: What exactly do you want with all this information? IMHO, the only usefull information comes from lspci and eventually an X11 log file. Bye... Dirk
Re: [gentoo-user] excess x11 drivers
On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 1:19 PM, Dirk Heinrichs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Am Sonntag, 16. November 2008 16:12:58 schrieb Jorge Peixoto de Morais Neto: On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 12:19 PM, Jorge Peixoto de Morais Neto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 10:24 PM, Harry Putnam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I posted some output in anther thread concerning update world (Subject: How to fix a hefty (emerge) blocking problem) Someone noticed I had too many x11 drivers installed and suggested I set the /etc/make.conf VIDEO_CARDS variable (which I never have set before) I figured out I have an nvidia card so set VIDEO_CARDS=nv Could you please post your entire make.conf? While we are at it, could you please post emerge --info? Just courious: What exactly do you want with all this information? IMHO, the only usefull information comes from lspci and eventually an X11 log file. I am not only concerned about the problem reported in this thread; I also want to give opinion on his larger update a very outdated system task. -- Software is like sex: it is better when it is free - Linus Torvalds
Re: [gentoo-user] excess x11 drivers
Jorge Peixoto de Morais Neto wrote: Someone noticed I had too many x11 drivers installed and suggested I set the /etc/make.conf VIDEO_CARDS variable (which I never have set before) I figured out I have an nvidia card so set VIDEO_CARDS=nv Now with my emerge -vuDN @system @world complete I'm unable to start X. (More on that later in a separate thread) SNIP Whats all that for? Checking dependancies on a few I see: dep -l x11-drivers/xf86-video-voodoo: ! x11-base/xorg-x11-6.9 on all I checked. What can this mean? Give this a shot: VIDEO_CARDS=nvidia No, nvidia is for the proprietary binary nvida driver. The free driver for nvidia cards is called NV. I have a GeForce4 MX 440 and I have this in my make.conf: VIDEO_CARDS=nv vesa And this results in $ emerge -pv xorg-server These are the packages that would be merged, in order: Calculating dependencies ... done! [ebuild R ] x11-base/xorg-server-1.3.0.0-r6 USE=nptl sdl xorg -3dfx -debug -dmx -dri -ipv6 -kdrive -minimal -xprint INPUT_DEVICES=evdev keyboard mouse -acecad -aiptek -calcomp -citron -digitaledge -dmc -dynapro -elo2300 -elographics -fpit -hyperpen -jamstudio -joystick -magellan -microtouch -mutouch -palmax -penmount -spaceorb -summa -synaptics -tek4957 -ur98 -vmmouse -void -wacom VIDEO_CARDS=nv vesa -apm -ark -chips -cirrus -cyrix -dummy -epson -fbdev -fglrx -glint -i128 -i740 (-impact) -imstt -intel -mach64 -mga -neomagic (-newport) -nsc -nvidia -r128 -radeon -rendition -s3 -s3virge -savage -siliconmotion -sis -sisusb (-sunbw2) (-suncg14) (-suncg3) (-suncg6) (-sunffb) (-sunleo) (-suntcx) -tdfx -tga -trident -tseng -v4l -vga -via -vmware -voodoo 0 kB and $ equery list x11-drivers/ [ Searching for all packages in 'x11-drivers' among: ] * installed packages [I--] [ ] x11-drivers/xf86-input-evdev-1.1.5-r1 (0) [I--] [ ] x11-drivers/xf86-input-keyboard-1.1.1 (0) [I--] [ ] x11-drivers/xf86-input-mouse-1.2.3 (0) [I--] [ ] x11-drivers/xf86-video-nv-2.1.9 (0) [I--] [ ] x11-drivers/xf86-video-vesa-1.3.0 (0) What you say may be true, pretty sure it is, but what he is doing is not working, hence him coming here for help. Since I have nvidia in mine and it works fine, thought he may want to try that. What I posted is not wrong, just another way of doing it. Up to him if he wants to try it or not. Also, nv does not work well for me either. It is dreadfully slow and uses a lot of CPU time. At least that is how it was the last time I used it. Things change. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] excess x11 drivers
Give this a shot: VIDEO_CARDS=nvidia No, nvidia is for the proprietary binary nvida driver. The free driver for nvidia cards is called NV. I have a GeForce4 MX 440 and I have this in my make.conf: VIDEO_CARDS=nv vesa What you say may be true, pretty sure it is, but what he is doing is not working, hence him coming here for help. Since I have nvidia in mine and it works fine, thought he may want to try that. What I posted is not wrong, just another way of doing it. Up to him if he wants to try it or not. Also, nv does not work well for me either. It is dreadfully slow and uses a lot of CPU time. At least that is how it was the last time I used it. Things change. Dale Selecting nvidia instead of nv would hardly make a difference in this specific problem. Also I imagine that the nv driver would be the more likely to work, being free software and maintainable by the Xorg developers. As for being slow, everybody knows it (unfortunately; damned be Nvida*) does not support 3D, so any 3D you use will be in software. But for 2D, it is as fast as the proprietary driver AFAIK. Are you saying that it is slower in 2D than the proprietary driver? *If if were to buy a video card today, it wouldn't be Nvidia. But I don't play 3D games so I won't buy a new card anyway.
Re: [gentoo-user] excess x11 drivers
Jorge Peixoto de Morais Neto wrote: Give this a shot: VIDEO_CARDS=nvidia No, nvidia is for the proprietary binary nvida driver. The free driver for nvidia cards is called NV. I have a GeForce4 MX 440 and I have this in my make.conf: VIDEO_CARDS=nv vesa What you say may be true, pretty sure it is, but what he is doing is not working, hence him coming here for help. Since I have nvidia in mine and it works fine, thought he may want to try that. What I posted is not wrong, just another way of doing it. Up to him if he wants to try it or not. Also, nv does not work well for me either. It is dreadfully slow and uses a lot of CPU time. At least that is how it was the last time I used it. Things change. Dale Selecting nvidia instead of nv would hardly make a difference in this specific problem. Also I imagine that the nv driver would be the more likely to work, being free software and maintainable by the Xorg developers. As for being slow, everybody knows it (unfortunately; damned be Nvida*) does not support 3D, so any 3D you use will be in software. But for 2D, it is as fast as the proprietary driver AFAIK. Are you saying that it is slower in 2D than the proprietary driver? *If if were to buy a video card today, it wouldn't be Nvidia. But I don't play 3D games so I won't buy a new card anyway. Yes, when I used nv a long time ago, it was very slow and it used a LOT of my CPU time as well. It was like the CPU was doing the work instead of the card. I emerged the nvidia drivers and have stuck with them ever since. Keep in mind I bought my nvidia card several years ago. Back then the ATI support was nasty to say the least. ATI was not a viable option at that time. Nvidia was the king as far as video cards go. That seems to have changed and most likely I will get ATI next time, though I like nvidia but hey . . . .they made their choice and I have to make mine based on theirs. I do agree that nv should work, I guess the old 'your mileage may vary' comes in tho. Dale :-) :-)
[gentoo-user] excess x11 drivers
I posted some output in anther thread concerning update world (Subject: How to fix a hefty (emerge) blocking problem) Someone noticed I had too many x11 drivers installed and suggested I set the /etc/make.conf VIDEO_CARDS variable (which I never have set before) I figured out I have an nvidia card so set VIDEO_CARDS=nv Now with my emerge -vuDN @system @world complete I'm unable to start X. (More on that later in a separate thread) But a little peek with eix -Ic |grep x11-drivers I still see a hefty mess of them: [I] x11-drivers/xf86-input-evdev ([EMAIL PROTECTED]/13/08): Generic Linux input driver [I] x11-drivers/xf86-input-keyboard ([EMAIL PROTECTED]/12/08): Keyboard input driver [I] x11-drivers/xf86-input-mouse ([EMAIL PROTECTED]/29/08): X.Org driver for mouse input devices [I] x11-drivers/xf86-video-apm ([EMAIL PROTECTED]/29/08): Alliance ProMotion video driver [I] x11-drivers/xf86-video-ark ([EMAIL PROTECTED]/12/08): X.Org driver for ark cards [I] x11-drivers/xf86-video-chips ([EMAIL PROTECTED]/12/08): Chips and Technologies video driver [I] x11-drivers/xf86-video-cirrus ([EMAIL PROTECTED]/12/08): Cirrus Logic video driver [I] x11-drivers/xf86-video-dummy ([EMAIL PROTECTED]/12/08): X.Org driver for dummy cards [I] x11-drivers/xf86-video-fbdev ([EMAIL PROTECTED]/12/08): video driver for framebuffer device [I] x11-drivers/xf86-video-glint ([EMAIL PROTECTED]/12/08): GLINT/Permedia video driver [I] x11-drivers/xf86-video-i740 ([EMAIL PROTECTED]/12/08): Intel i740 video driver [I] x11-drivers/xf86-video-mach64 ([EMAIL PROTECTED]/12/08): ATI Mach64 video driver [I] x11-drivers/xf86-video-mga ([EMAIL PROTECTED]/12/08): Matrox video driver [I] x11-drivers/xf86-video-neomagic ([EMAIL PROTECTED]/12/08): Neomagic video driver [I] x11-drivers/xf86-video-nv ([EMAIL PROTECTED]/13/08): Nvidia video driver [I] x11-drivers/xf86-video-rendition ([EMAIL PROTECTED]/12/08): Rendition video driver [I] x11-drivers/xf86-video-s3 ([EMAIL PROTECTED]/12/08): X.Org driver for s3 cards [I] x11-drivers/xf86-video-s3virge ([EMAIL PROTECTED]/12/08): S3 ViRGE video driver [I] x11-drivers/xf86-video-savage ([EMAIL PROTECTED]/12/08): S3 Savage video driver [I] x11-drivers/xf86-video-siliconmotion ([EMAIL PROTECTED]/12/08): Silicon Motion video driver [I] x11-drivers/xf86-video-tdfx ([EMAIL PROTECTED]/29/08): 3Dfx video driver [U] x11-drivers/xf86-video-tga ([EMAIL PROTECTED]/29/08 - (~)1.2.0): X.Org driver for tga cards [I] x11-drivers/xf86-video-trident ([EMAIL PROTECTED]/12/08): Trident video driver [I] x11-drivers/xf86-video-tseng ([EMAIL PROTECTED]/12/08): Tseng Labs video driver [I] x11-drivers/xf86-video-v4l ([EMAIL PROTECTED]/12/08): video4linux driver [I] x11-drivers/xf86-video-vesa ([EMAIL PROTECTED]/12/08): Generic VESA video driver [I] x11-drivers/xf86-video-voodoo ([EMAIL PROTECTED]/12/08): Voodoo video driver Whats all that for? Checking dependancies on a few I see: dep -l x11-drivers/xf86-video-voodoo: ! x11-base/xorg-x11-6.9 on all I checked. What can this mean?
Re: [gentoo-user] excess x11 drivers
Harry Putnam wrote: I posted some output in anther thread concerning update world (Subject: How to fix a hefty (emerge) blocking problem) Someone noticed I had too many x11 drivers installed and suggested I set the /etc/make.conf VIDEO_CARDS variable (which I never have set before) I figured out I have an nvidia card so set VIDEO_CARDS=nv Now with my emerge -vuDN @system @world complete I'm unable to start X. (More on that later in a separate thread) SNIP Whats all that for? Checking dependancies on a few I see: dep -l x11-drivers/xf86-video-voodoo: ! x11-base/xorg-x11-6.9 on all I checked. What can this mean? Give this a shot: VIDEO_CARDS=nvidia You can do a emerge -p xorg-x11 to see which ones are available. It's lists them for you, also lists the USE flags too. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] excess x11 drivers
在 2008-11-15六的 18:38 -0600，Dale写道： Harry Putnam wrote: I posted some output in anther thread concerning update world (Subject: How to fix a hefty (emerge) blocking problem) Someone noticed I had too many x11 drivers installed and suggested I set the /etc/make.conf VIDEO_CARDS variable (which I never have set before) I figured out I have an nvidia card so set VIDEO_CARDS=nv This should be OK, nv will use the opensource driver, while nvidia will use the closed-source driver. Now with my emerge -vuDN @system @world complete I'm unable to start X. (More on that later in a separate thread. This could also caused by mis-configuration of /etc/X11/xorg.conf, I think you'd better post your /var/log/Xorg.0.log SNIP Whats all that for? Checking dependancies on a few I see: dep -l x11-drivers/xf86-video-voodoo: ! x11-base/xorg-x11-6.9 on all I checked. What can this mean? If you need to prune the unused video drivers, please try to use (with caution please): emerge --ask --depclean Regards, Give this a shot: VIDEO_CARDS=nvidia You can do a emerge -p xorg-x11 to see which ones are available. It's lists them for you, also lists the USE flags too. Dale :-) :-)
