Re: [GNC] How to save Gnucash and Lock file issues

[Maf. King]

Hi Lorrie,

Are you sure you are using an XML file for your GC data?  IIRC, using the 
SQLite format stops the creation of the timestamp backup files.

I'm not entirely sure how to check what format the file is in, but if you do a 
file-> Save As and look at the options in that dialog box it *may* shed some 
light.  Cancel if you don't actually want to rename the file, of course.

0.02
Maf.


On Tuesday, 4 December 2018 03:13:38 GMT David Cousens wrote:
> Lorrie,
> 
> That looks OK apart from not creating the backup file which should have been
> created when you opened the file to to make the change , saved it and then
> closed the file. (I noticed in an earlier post you mentioned adding an .xml
> file extension. There is no need to do that as the .gnucash is the correct
> extension.)
> 
> There should have been a file
> 
> finances.gnucash..gnucash
> 
> with the same  roughly as the log file. It may differ by a
> few seconds.
>  has the format "MMDDHHMMSS".
> 
> In most cases the datestamp on the log file and the backup file only differ
> by 1-2 s on my system with the backup file created first and then the log
> file.
> 
> There is a preference in the Edit->Preferences General tab where you can set
> the file retention period for the backups and log files.  I usually leave
> it at the default of 30 days as I have terrabytes of free space on my
> system but it is generally a good idea to set this so you have a few backup
> and logfiles on your system so you can recover maximum data if you ever
> have a file corruption issue. This is only likely if GnuCash or the OS
> crashes while writing to the file.
> 
> David Cousens
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [GNC] How to automate $ value on the contra account when editing a transaction

[Jeff Abrahamson]

Beyond inconvenience questions, I think error questions are more
weighty.  If the engine creates a balancing split, you see it and
react.  And if, for some reason, you don't see it, you'll catch it later
by noticing that the imbalance account has non-zero balance.

On the other hand, if gnucash changes the other split and that's not
what you meant, but for some reason you accept the transaction anyway
(say because hitting return is a highly ingrained behaviour), it would
be very difficult to catch later.  (It also introduces weird behaviours
where the engine has to keep track of how many times you've edited
splits and in what order in order to know when to create an error split
or adjust some other split.  That quickly becomes non-intuitive for users.)

Jeff


On 03/12/18 23:11, David Cousens wrote:
> Dave,
>
> The problem for GnuCash is that when you have duplicated a previous
> transaction and then edit it, GnuCash has no way of knowing what your
> intentions are. The engine is currently setup to maintain a transaction in
> balance as it is edited. When you change the value of one split of the
> transaction, the engine is designed to calculate the difference between the
> new sum of the splits and zero and allocate that to the Imbalance account
> which simplifies creating transactions with 2 or more splits.
>  
> It would be feasible in principle to detect whether the editeded transaction
> only has two splits and to adjust the value of the second split rather than
> the imbalance account in that case. How easy that is to do will require a
> close look at how the engine manages the balancing.
>
> This introduces a further complication however. If your intention was to
> change this to a transaction with 3 or more splits. You could not do what
> you would do at present which is edit the existing two splits into an
> imbalanced state and have GnuCash create the 3rd split automatically and
> allocate it to the Imbalance account which you then reassign to the account
> you desire that split to go to. 
>
> You would have to create the split to the third account and assign it a
> value first to break the two split calculation as above out of the two split
> mode rather than just edit the existing splits. 
>
> It will be a judgement call as to how many users would be inconvenienced by
> the current approach relative to those who would then be inconvenienced if
> it was changed as described  above.
>
> Perhaps raise a feature enhancement request at bug.gnucash.org.
>
> David Cousens
>
>
>
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Re: [GNC] How to save Gnucash and Lock file issues

[David Cousens]

Lorrie,

The setting David Carlson is talking about is immediately under the Files 
heading on the General tab of the Preferences
dialog. You can optionally display an autosave confirmation before the autosave 
and set the autosave interval in the
box. I use 5 minutes. The autosave only occurs at this interval if you have 
made changes to the file. The third option
sets a timeout on the Save changes on closing. After that timeout period any 
changes are automatically saved. 

The preference settings are discussed more fully in 
https://www.gnucash.org/docs/v3/C/gnucash-help/set-prefs.html

David Cousens

On Mon, 2018-12-03 at 22:18 -0600, David Carlson wrote:
> Lorrie,
> 
> I am away from my computer right now so I cannot confirm the exact wording, 
> but it s something like how often to make
> backups.  I  dont remember the default. It may be only 5 minutes, I have it 
> set to 30 minutes but I religiously do
> manual saves before certain activities such as imports.
> 
> My tablet is messing with me, excuse the sloppy writing.
> 
> David C 
> 
> On Mon, Dec 3, 2018, 9:34 PM Lorrie Laskey  > Hi David,
> > 
> > Here are my responses.
> > Retain log file set to 15 days.
> > No * before the filename in the title bar.
> > What is this "the amount of time set in that preference section has 
> > passed." that you are referring to? I am not
> > finding this in the preferences section.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > David C
> > > On Mon, Dec 3, 2018 at 8:17 PM Lorrie Laskey  wrote:
> > > > Hi David,
> > > > 
> > > > Here's what I did.
> > > > 
> > > >- I did a "save as" and renamed the file to "finances.gnucash" then
> > > >closed the file.
> > > >- Reopened Gnucash which opened the very same file.
> > > >- Made a change and saved it which created a log file.
> > > >- Closed the same file and repeated these steps.
> > > >- No backup file was created . Only the original "finances.gnucash" 
> > > > file
> > > >remained.
> > > > 
> > > > Is something wrong?
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > On Sun, Dec 2, 2018 at 6:32 PM David Cousens 
> > > > wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > > Lorrie,
> > > > >
> > > > > At some point instead of opening the main file "finances.gnucash" it 
> > > > > would
> > > > > appear you have opened a backup copy of the
> > > > > file, which is why it has the form 
> > > > > "finances.gnucash.20181202.gnucash".
> > > > >
> > > > > Each time Gnucash is opened, it copies the file ".gnucash 
> > > > > it"
> > > > > has just opened and renames it
> > > > > ".gnucash..gnucash" . It also creates a 
> > > > > logfile
> > > > > ".gnucash..log"
> > > > > which records the changes to the file which occur during the current
> > > > > session.
> > > > >
> > > > > When you exit or when you make changes or use the Save button in 
> > > > > GnuCash
> > > > > any changes are saved to ".gnucash"
> > > > > In your  case ="finances.gnucash.20181202" instead of
> > > > > "finances.gnucash".
> > > > >
> > > > > You can restore this to the normal situation simply by renaming the 
> > > > > file
> > > > > you are currently using as the main
> > > > > file, "finances.gnucash.20181202.gnucash",  as "finances.gnucash".
> > > > >
> > > > > See 
> > > > > https://www.gnucash.org/docs/v3/C/gnucash-guide/basics-backup1.html
> > > > > for a detailed explanation of this.
> > > > >
> > > > > David Cousens
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Sun, 2018-12-02 at 10:14 -0800, Lorrie Laskey wrote:
> > > > > > Hi Colin,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I understand. Since I don't really need to know the minute and 
> > > > > > seconds
> > > > > when
> > > > > > a file is saved at this time, I will leave the file name as it is.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > My next topic, for another email, is how to set up a budget. I have 
> > > > > > tried
> > > > > > and watched videos and read documentation but never quite get it to 
> > > > > > work
> > > > > or
> > > > > > understand what it is doing.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks for  your help this morning.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Sun, Dec 2, 2018 at 10:10 AM Colin Law  wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Sun, 2 Dec 2018 at 18:01, Lorrie Laskey  
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Hi Colin,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The "save" option did get focus once I made a change and saved 
> > > > > > > > the
> > > > > file.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > However, the file name doesn't look right. See below. It is 
> > > > > > > > using the
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > name that I created when I used "save as" though I used "save" 
> > > > > > > but the
> > > > > log
> > > > > > > file name looks right. What is happening? Is this a problem?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > finances.gnucash.20181202.gnucash
> > > > > > > > finances.gnucash.20181202.gnucash.20181202095503
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > If you used Save As to save to that file, then that file becomes 
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > current file in use so when you later use Save it will save back 
> > > > > > > 

Re: [GNC] 3.3 unstable on macOS Mojave

[John Ralls]

> On Dec 4, 2018, at 10:49 AM, Dan Smith  wrote:
> 
>> On Dec 3, 2018, at 5:53 PM, John Ralls  wrote:
>>> 
 There is no GnuCash 2.6.23. Perhaps you mean 2.6.21? Regardless, fonts are 
 a styling issue that you can change fairly easily. Search the web for Gtk 
 2 theming.
>>> 
>>> Yes, sorry, 2.6.21.
>>> 
>>> Looks complicated, given that I have no knowledge of the Gtk API or how 
>>> GnuCash makes use of it. I can live with the ugly UI for now. But if 
>>> there's going to be a 2.6.22, and if this is trivially reproducible on a 
>>> fresh Mojave system (I don't _think_ there's anything unusual about my 
>>> system, but who knows), it may be worth looking into.
>> 
>> The 2.6 branch is closed, there will be no more releases. Styling doesn’t 
>> require any knowledge of the Gtk API. There are instructions for changing 
>> fonts at 
>> https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/FAQ#Q:_How_get_I_rid_of_strange_unreadable_characters_or_adjust_the_font_size.
> 
> Ah, that's a much more useful than the stuff my Google search turned up. 
> Thanks!
> 
> Good news: I can change the fonts using that template. Bad news: I can't come 
> up with any choices that aren't being turned into bold text (even some "Ultra 
> Light" fonts). So it doesn't seem to be a font/resource issue.
> 
> Possibly related: 
> https://stackoverflow.com/questions/52700341/fonts-in-gtk-on-macos-10-14-mojave-looking-bold
> 
> Anyway, no big deal, I'll live with it for now.
> 

Might have something to do with Mojave and 32-bit, but High Sierra has the same 
warning and I doubt that Apple has done anything more than put up the warning 
dialog on first run. They’ve announced that they’re removing 32-bit support for 
10.15 and are no doubt already well along that path as it’s only a few months 
to WWDC and the first developer’s release.

Otherwise there are too many differences in that report: Mono, Visual Studio’s 
run environment (note that the author shows the fonts being normal when run 
outside of VS), and Gtk3 (like GnuCash 3.x) instead of Gtk2.

Regards,
John Ralls


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Re: [GNC] 3.3 unstable on macOS Mojave

[Adrien Monteleone]

Some of us have also discovered that GTK is very particular about the name you 
use for the font. Search the recent list archives, but I *think* you need to 
use the ‘family name’ found using FontBook.app.

Regards,
Adrien

> On Dec 3, 2018, at 7:49 PM, Dan Smith via gnucash-user 
>  wrote:
> 
>> On Dec 3, 2018, at 5:53 PM, John Ralls  wrote:
>>> 
 There is no GnuCash 2.6.23. Perhaps you mean 2.6.21? Regardless, fonts are 
 a styling issue that you can change fairly easily. Search the web for Gtk 
 2 theming.
>>> 
>>> Yes, sorry, 2.6.21.
>>> 
>>> Looks complicated, given that I have no knowledge of the Gtk API or how 
>>> GnuCash makes use of it. I can live with the ugly UI for now. But if 
>>> there's going to be a 2.6.22, and if this is trivially reproducible on a 
>>> fresh Mojave system (I don't _think_ there's anything unusual about my 
>>> system, but who knows), it may be worth looking into.
>> 
>> The 2.6 branch is closed, there will be no more releases. Styling doesn’t 
>> require any knowledge of the Gtk API. There are instructions for changing 
>> fonts at 
>> https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/FAQ#Q:_How_get_I_rid_of_strange_unreadable_characters_or_adjust_the_font_size.
> 
> Ah, that's a much more useful than the stuff my Google search turned up. 
> Thanks!
> 
> Good news: I can change the fonts using that template. Bad news: I can't come 
> up with any choices that aren't being turned into bold text (even some "Ultra 
> Light" fonts). So it doesn't seem to be a font/resource issue.
> 
> Possibly related: 
> https://stackoverflow.com/questions/52700341/fonts-in-gtk-on-macos-10-14-mojave-looking-bold
> 
> Anyway, no big deal, I'll live with it for now.
> 
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[GNC] Donations credited to donor(customer) w/o Invoicing?

[Janfromearth]

I saw the exact post from 2013 but hoping I missed something.  If a nonprofit
receives  a check for a donation, do we have to issue an invoice against the
donor (customer) recond and then clear it in order to apply it to the
donor's record?  I saw the suggestion of creating sub GL Accounts for each
donor but I am hoping something like "cash sale" functionality has been
added and I am just missing it.  Wonder program for small nonprofits. Thanks



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Re: [GNC] How to save Gnucash and Lock file issues

[Lorrie Laskey]

Hi David,

I think I found it. The autosave time interval is set to 5 mins.

I tested it. I made a change. Wait 5 mins and it mostly works. A log file
was created at 5 mins and the finance.gnucash file was updated at 5 mins.
However, the finance.gnucash file did not append the date,time,min and sec
to the file name.  Does this mean that something is wrong?





On Mon, Dec 3, 2018 at 8:19 PM David Carlson 
wrote:

> Lorrie,
>
> I am away from my computer right now so I cannot confirm the exact
> wording, but it s something like how often to make backups.  I  dont
> remember the default. It may be only 5 minutes, I have it set to 30 minutes
> but I religiously do manual saves before certain activities such as imports.
>
> My tablet is messing with me, excuse the sloppy writing.
>
> David C
>
> On Mon, Dec 3, 2018, 9:34 PM Lorrie Laskey 
>> Hi David,
>>
>> Here are my responses.
>>
>>1. Retain log file set to 15 days.
>>2. No * before the filename in the title bar.
>>
>> What is this "the amount of time set in that preference section has
>> passed." that you are referring to? I am not finding this in the
>> preferences section.
>>
>>
>>
>> David C
>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Dec 3, 2018 at 8:17 PM Lorrie Laskey  wrote:
>>>
 Hi David,

 Here's what I did.

- I did a "save as" and renamed the file to "finances.gnucash" then
closed the file.
- Reopened Gnucash which opened the very same file.
- Made a change and saved it which created a log file.
- Closed the same file and repeated these steps.
- No backup file was created . Only the original "finances.gnucash"
 file
remained.

 Is something wrong?



 On Sun, Dec 2, 2018 at 6:32 PM David Cousens 
 wrote:

 > Lorrie,
 >
 > At some point instead of opening the main file "finances.gnucash" it
 would
 > appear you have opened a backup copy of the
 > file, which is why it has the form
 "finances.gnucash.20181202.gnucash".
 >
 > Each time Gnucash is opened, it copies the file ".gnucash
 it"
 > has just opened and renames it
 > ".gnucash..gnucash" . It also creates a
 logfile
 > ".gnucash..log"
 > which records the changes to the file which occur during the current
 > session.
 >
 > When you exit or when you make changes or use the Save button in
 GnuCash
 > any changes are saved to ".gnucash"
 > In your  case ="finances.gnucash.20181202" instead of
 > "finances.gnucash".
 >
 > You can restore this to the normal situation simply by renaming the
 file
 > you are currently using as the main
 > file, "finances.gnucash.20181202.gnucash",  as "finances.gnucash".
 >
 > See
 https://www.gnucash.org/docs/v3/C/gnucash-guide/basics-backup1.html
 > for a detailed explanation of this.
 >
 > David Cousens
 >
 >
 > On Sun, 2018-12-02 at 10:14 -0800, Lorrie Laskey wrote:
 > > Hi Colin,
 > >
 > > I understand. Since I don't really need to know the minute and
 seconds
 > when
 > > a file is saved at this time, I will leave the file name as it is.
 > >
 > > My next topic, for another email, is how to set up a budget. I have
 tried
 > > and watched videos and read documentation but never quite get it to
 work
 > or
 > > understand what it is doing.
 > >
 > > Thanks for  your help this morning.
 > >
 > >
 > > On Sun, Dec 2, 2018 at 10:10 AM Colin Law 
 wrote:
 > >
 > > > On Sun, 2 Dec 2018 at 18:01, Lorrie Laskey 
 wrote:
 > > > >
 > > > > Hi Colin,
 > > > >
 > > > > The "save" option did get focus once I made a change and saved
 the
 > file.
 > > > >
 > > > > However, the file name doesn't look right. See below. It is
 using the
 > > >
 > > > name that I created when I used "save as" though I used "save"
 but the
 > log
 > > > file name looks right. What is happening? Is this a problem?
 > > > >
 > > > > finances.gnucash.20181202.gnucash
 > > > > finances.gnucash.20181202.gnucash.20181202095503
 > > >
 > > > If you used Save As to save to that file, then that file becomes
 the
 > > > current file in use so when you later use Save it will save back
 to
 > > > that file again (and that is the file that will be re-opened
 > > > automatically when you open Gnucash).  Again this is exactly the
 same
 > > > as will happen with MS Word for example.  Save As means "save the
 file
 > > > with this new name and then keep using the new name".  If you
 want to
 > > > give it a different name then use Save As just once to save it
 with
 > > > the name you want and thereafter Save will save back to that file.
 > > >
 > > > Colin
 > > >
 > >
 > > ___
 > > gnucash-user 

Re: [GNC] How to save Gnucash and Lock file issues

[David Carlson]

Lorrie,

I am away from my computer right now so I cannot confirm the exact wording,
but it s something like how often to make backups.  I  dont remember the
default. It may be only 5 minutes, I have it set to 30 minutes but I
religiously do manual saves before certain activities such as imports.

My tablet is messing with me, excuse the sloppy writing.

David C

On Mon, Dec 3, 2018, 9:34 PM Lorrie Laskey  Hi David,
>
> Here are my responses.
>
>1. Retain log file set to 15 days.
>2. No * before the filename in the title bar.
>
> What is this "the amount of time set in that preference section has
> passed." that you are referring to? I am not finding this in the
> preferences section.
>
>
>
> David C
>
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 3, 2018 at 8:17 PM Lorrie Laskey  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi David,
>>>
>>> Here's what I did.
>>>
>>>- I did a "save as" and renamed the file to "finances.gnucash" then
>>>closed the file.
>>>- Reopened Gnucash which opened the very same file.
>>>- Made a change and saved it which created a log file.
>>>- Closed the same file and repeated these steps.
>>>- No backup file was created . Only the original "finances.gnucash"
>>> file
>>>remained.
>>>
>>> Is something wrong?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Dec 2, 2018 at 6:32 PM David Cousens 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> > Lorrie,
>>> >
>>> > At some point instead of opening the main file "finances.gnucash" it
>>> would
>>> > appear you have opened a backup copy of the
>>> > file, which is why it has the form "finances.gnucash.20181202.gnucash".
>>> >
>>> > Each time Gnucash is opened, it copies the file ".gnucash it"
>>> > has just opened and renames it
>>> > ".gnucash..gnucash" . It also creates a
>>> logfile
>>> > ".gnucash..log"
>>> > which records the changes to the file which occur during the current
>>> > session.
>>> >
>>> > When you exit or when you make changes or use the Save button in
>>> GnuCash
>>> > any changes are saved to ".gnucash"
>>> > In your  case ="finances.gnucash.20181202" instead of
>>> > "finances.gnucash".
>>> >
>>> > You can restore this to the normal situation simply by renaming the
>>> file
>>> > you are currently using as the main
>>> > file, "finances.gnucash.20181202.gnucash",  as "finances.gnucash".
>>> >
>>> > See
>>> https://www.gnucash.org/docs/v3/C/gnucash-guide/basics-backup1.html
>>> > for a detailed explanation of this.
>>> >
>>> > David Cousens
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Sun, 2018-12-02 at 10:14 -0800, Lorrie Laskey wrote:
>>> > > Hi Colin,
>>> > >
>>> > > I understand. Since I don't really need to know the minute and
>>> seconds
>>> > when
>>> > > a file is saved at this time, I will leave the file name as it is.
>>> > >
>>> > > My next topic, for another email, is how to set up a budget. I have
>>> tried
>>> > > and watched videos and read documentation but never quite get it to
>>> work
>>> > or
>>> > > understand what it is doing.
>>> > >
>>> > > Thanks for  your help this morning.
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > On Sun, Dec 2, 2018 at 10:10 AM Colin Law  wrote:
>>> > >
>>> > > > On Sun, 2 Dec 2018 at 18:01, Lorrie Laskey 
>>> wrote:
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > > Hi Colin,
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > > The "save" option did get focus once I made a change and saved
>>> the
>>> > file.
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > > However, the file name doesn't look right. See below. It is
>>> using the
>>> > > >
>>> > > > name that I created when I used "save as" though I used "save" but
>>> the
>>> > log
>>> > > > file name looks right. What is happening? Is this a problem?
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > > finances.gnucash.20181202.gnucash
>>> > > > > finances.gnucash.20181202.gnucash.20181202095503
>>> > > >
>>> > > > If you used Save As to save to that file, then that file becomes
>>> the
>>> > > > current file in use so when you later use Save it will save back to
>>> > > > that file again (and that is the file that will be re-opened
>>> > > > automatically when you open Gnucash).  Again this is exactly the
>>> same
>>> > > > as will happen with MS Word for example.  Save As means "save the
>>> file
>>> > > > with this new name and then keep using the new name".  If you want
>>> to
>>> > > > give it a different name then use Save As just once to save it with
>>> > > > the name you want and thereafter Save will save back to that file.
>>> > > >
>>> > > > Colin
>>> > > >
>>> > >
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Re: [GNC] How to save Gnucash and Lock file issues

[Lorrie Laskey]

Hi David,

Here are my responses.

   1. Retain log file set to 15 days.
   2. No * before the filename in the title bar.

What is this "the amount of time set in that preference section has
passed." that you are referring to? I am not finding this in the
preferences section.



David C

>
> On Mon, Dec 3, 2018 at 8:17 PM Lorrie Laskey  wrote:
>
>> Hi David,
>>
>> Here's what I did.
>>
>>- I did a "save as" and renamed the file to "finances.gnucash" then
>>closed the file.
>>- Reopened Gnucash which opened the very same file.
>>- Made a change and saved it which created a log file.
>>- Closed the same file and repeated these steps.
>>- No backup file was created . Only the original "finances.gnucash"
>> file
>>remained.
>>
>> Is something wrong?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Dec 2, 2018 at 6:32 PM David Cousens 
>> wrote:
>>
>> > Lorrie,
>> >
>> > At some point instead of opening the main file "finances.gnucash" it
>> would
>> > appear you have opened a backup copy of the
>> > file, which is why it has the form "finances.gnucash.20181202.gnucash".
>> >
>> > Each time Gnucash is opened, it copies the file ".gnucash it"
>> > has just opened and renames it
>> > ".gnucash..gnucash" . It also creates a
>> logfile
>> > ".gnucash..log"
>> > which records the changes to the file which occur during the current
>> > session.
>> >
>> > When you exit or when you make changes or use the Save button in GnuCash
>> > any changes are saved to ".gnucash"
>> > In your  case ="finances.gnucash.20181202" instead of
>> > "finances.gnucash".
>> >
>> > You can restore this to the normal situation simply by renaming the file
>> > you are currently using as the main
>> > file, "finances.gnucash.20181202.gnucash",  as "finances.gnucash".
>> >
>> > See https://www.gnucash.org/docs/v3/C/gnucash-guide/basics-backup1.html
>> > for a detailed explanation of this.
>> >
>> > David Cousens
>> >
>> >
>> > On Sun, 2018-12-02 at 10:14 -0800, Lorrie Laskey wrote:
>> > > Hi Colin,
>> > >
>> > > I understand. Since I don't really need to know the minute and seconds
>> > when
>> > > a file is saved at this time, I will leave the file name as it is.
>> > >
>> > > My next topic, for another email, is how to set up a budget. I have
>> tried
>> > > and watched videos and read documentation but never quite get it to
>> work
>> > or
>> > > understand what it is doing.
>> > >
>> > > Thanks for  your help this morning.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > On Sun, Dec 2, 2018 at 10:10 AM Colin Law  wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > On Sun, 2 Dec 2018 at 18:01, Lorrie Laskey 
>> wrote:
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Hi Colin,
>> > > > >
>> > > > > The "save" option did get focus once I made a change and saved the
>> > file.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > However, the file name doesn't look right. See below. It is using
>> the
>> > > >
>> > > > name that I created when I used "save as" though I used "save" but
>> the
>> > log
>> > > > file name looks right. What is happening? Is this a problem?
>> > > > >
>> > > > > finances.gnucash.20181202.gnucash
>> > > > > finances.gnucash.20181202.gnucash.20181202095503
>> > > >
>> > > > If you used Save As to save to that file, then that file becomes the
>> > > > current file in use so when you later use Save it will save back to
>> > > > that file again (and that is the file that will be re-opened
>> > > > automatically when you open Gnucash).  Again this is exactly the
>> same
>> > > > as will happen with MS Word for example.  Save As means "save the
>> file
>> > > > with this new name and then keep using the new name".  If you want
>> to
>> > > > give it a different name then use Save As just once to save it with
>> > > > the name you want and thereafter Save will save back to that file.
>> > > >
>> > > > Colin
>> > > >
>> > >
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Re: [GNC] How to save Gnucash and Lock file issues

[David Cousens]

Lorrie,

That looks OK apart from not creating the backup file which should have been
created when you opened the file to to make the change , saved it and then
closed the file. (I noticed in an earlier post you mentioned adding an .xml
file extension. There is no need to do that as the .gnucash is the correct
extension.)

There should have been a file

finances.gnucash..gnucash

with the same  roughly as the log file. It may differ by a
few seconds.
 has the format "MMDDHHMMSS". 

In most cases the datestamp on the log file and the backup file only differ
by 1-2 s on my system with the backup file created first and then the log
file.

There is a preference in the Edit->Preferences General tab where you can set
the file retention period for the backups and log files.  I usually leave it
at the default of 30 days as I have terrabytes of free space on my system
but it is generally a good idea to set this so you have a few backup and
logfiles on your system so you can recover maximum data if you ever have a
file corruption issue. This is only likely if GnuCash or the OS crashes
while writing to the file.

David Cousens



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Re: [GNC] How to save Gnucash and Lock file issues

[David Carlson]

Lorrie,

If, at some time in the past you modified that data file with that (short)
filename by going into Edit  >Preferences > General and selecting 'Retain
log/backup files: Never, then no log or backup files will be generated.

You did not do that because you do see .log files being generated.
However, backup files are not made unless you have entered or changed a
transaction or information in the Accounts page, for example, and the
amount of time set in that preference section has passed.  A quick way to
tell if GnuCash will create a backup is to notice if there is a asterisk
before the filename in the title bar.  If so, the file is 'dirty' and needs
to be saved and possibly backed up.  If you do File > Save before that
amount of time has passed, there will not be a backup with the the long
series of numbers in the filename.  If you do File > Quit when there is an
asterisk in front of the file name, GnuCash will warn you that you have
unsaved data.

That is the long answer.

David C

On Mon, Dec 3, 2018 at 8:17 PM Lorrie Laskey  wrote:

> Hi David,
>
> Here's what I did.
>
>- I did a "save as" and renamed the file to "finances.gnucash" then
>closed the file.
>- Reopened Gnucash which opened the very same file.
>- Made a change and saved it which created a log file.
>- Closed the same file and repeated these steps.
>- No backup file was created . Only the original "finances.gnucash" file
>remained.
>
> Is something wrong?
>
>
>
> On Sun, Dec 2, 2018 at 6:32 PM David Cousens 
> wrote:
>
> > Lorrie,
> >
> > At some point instead of opening the main file "finances.gnucash" it
> would
> > appear you have opened a backup copy of the
> > file, which is why it has the form "finances.gnucash.20181202.gnucash".
> >
> > Each time Gnucash is opened, it copies the file ".gnucash it"
> > has just opened and renames it
> > ".gnucash..gnucash" . It also creates a
> logfile
> > ".gnucash..log"
> > which records the changes to the file which occur during the current
> > session.
> >
> > When you exit or when you make changes or use the Save button in GnuCash
> > any changes are saved to ".gnucash"
> > In your  case ="finances.gnucash.20181202" instead of
> > "finances.gnucash".
> >
> > You can restore this to the normal situation simply by renaming the file
> > you are currently using as the main
> > file, "finances.gnucash.20181202.gnucash",  as "finances.gnucash".
> >
> > See https://www.gnucash.org/docs/v3/C/gnucash-guide/basics-backup1.html
> > for a detailed explanation of this.
> >
> > David Cousens
> >
> >
> > On Sun, 2018-12-02 at 10:14 -0800, Lorrie Laskey wrote:
> > > Hi Colin,
> > >
> > > I understand. Since I don't really need to know the minute and seconds
> > when
> > > a file is saved at this time, I will leave the file name as it is.
> > >
> > > My next topic, for another email, is how to set up a budget. I have
> tried
> > > and watched videos and read documentation but never quite get it to
> work
> > or
> > > understand what it is doing.
> > >
> > > Thanks for  your help this morning.
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sun, Dec 2, 2018 at 10:10 AM Colin Law  wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Sun, 2 Dec 2018 at 18:01, Lorrie Laskey 
> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi Colin,
> > > > >
> > > > > The "save" option did get focus once I made a change and saved the
> > file.
> > > > >
> > > > > However, the file name doesn't look right. See below. It is using
> the
> > > >
> > > > name that I created when I used "save as" though I used "save" but
> the
> > log
> > > > file name looks right. What is happening? Is this a problem?
> > > > >
> > > > > finances.gnucash.20181202.gnucash
> > > > > finances.gnucash.20181202.gnucash.20181202095503
> > > >
> > > > If you used Save As to save to that file, then that file becomes the
> > > > current file in use so when you later use Save it will save back to
> > > > that file again (and that is the file that will be re-opened
> > > > automatically when you open Gnucash).  Again this is exactly the same
> > > > as will happen with MS Word for example.  Save As means "save the
> file
> > > > with this new name and then keep using the new name".  If you want to
> > > > give it a different name then use Save As just once to save it with
> > > > the name you want and thereafter Save will save back to that file.
> > > >
> > > > Colin
> > > >
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Re: [GNC] How to save Gnucash and Lock file issues

[Lorrie Laskey]

Hi David,

Here's what I did.

   - I did a "save as" and renamed the file to "finances.gnucash" then
   closed the file.
   - Reopened Gnucash which opened the very same file.
   - Made a change and saved it which created a log file.
   - Closed the same file and repeated these steps.
   - No backup file was created . Only the original "finances.gnucash" file
   remained.

Is something wrong?



On Sun, Dec 2, 2018 at 6:32 PM David Cousens 
wrote:

> Lorrie,
>
> At some point instead of opening the main file "finances.gnucash" it would
> appear you have opened a backup copy of the
> file, which is why it has the form "finances.gnucash.20181202.gnucash".
>
> Each time Gnucash is opened, it copies the file ".gnucash it"
> has just opened and renames it
> ".gnucash..gnucash" . It also creates a logfile
> ".gnucash..log"
> which records the changes to the file which occur during the current
> session.
>
> When you exit or when you make changes or use the Save button in GnuCash
> any changes are saved to ".gnucash"
> In your  case ="finances.gnucash.20181202" instead of
> "finances.gnucash".
>
> You can restore this to the normal situation simply by renaming the file
> you are currently using as the main
> file, "finances.gnucash.20181202.gnucash",  as "finances.gnucash".
>
> See https://www.gnucash.org/docs/v3/C/gnucash-guide/basics-backup1.html
> for a detailed explanation of this.
>
> David Cousens
>
>
> On Sun, 2018-12-02 at 10:14 -0800, Lorrie Laskey wrote:
> > Hi Colin,
> >
> > I understand. Since I don't really need to know the minute and seconds
> when
> > a file is saved at this time, I will leave the file name as it is.
> >
> > My next topic, for another email, is how to set up a budget. I have tried
> > and watched videos and read documentation but never quite get it to work
> or
> > understand what it is doing.
> >
> > Thanks for  your help this morning.
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Dec 2, 2018 at 10:10 AM Colin Law  wrote:
> >
> > > On Sun, 2 Dec 2018 at 18:01, Lorrie Laskey  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi Colin,
> > > >
> > > > The "save" option did get focus once I made a change and saved the
> file.
> > > >
> > > > However, the file name doesn't look right. See below. It is using the
> > >
> > > name that I created when I used "save as" though I used "save" but the
> log
> > > file name looks right. What is happening? Is this a problem?
> > > >
> > > > finances.gnucash.20181202.gnucash
> > > > finances.gnucash.20181202.gnucash.20181202095503
> > >
> > > If you used Save As to save to that file, then that file becomes the
> > > current file in use so when you later use Save it will save back to
> > > that file again (and that is the file that will be re-opened
> > > automatically when you open Gnucash).  Again this is exactly the same
> > > as will happen with MS Word for example.  Save As means "save the file
> > > with this new name and then keep using the new name".  If you want to
> > > give it a different name then use Save As just once to save it with
> > > the name you want and thereafter Save will save back to that file.
> > >
> > > Colin
> > >
> >
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Re: [GNC] 3.3 unstable on macOS Mojave

[Dan Smith via gnucash-user]

> On Dec 3, 2018, at 5:53 PM, John Ralls  wrote:
>> 
>>> There is no GnuCash 2.6.23. Perhaps you mean 2.6.21? Regardless, fonts are 
>>> a styling issue that you can change fairly easily. Search the web for Gtk 2 
>>> theming.
>> 
>> Yes, sorry, 2.6.21.
>> 
>> Looks complicated, given that I have no knowledge of the Gtk API or how 
>> GnuCash makes use of it. I can live with the ugly UI for now. But if there's 
>> going to be a 2.6.22, and if this is trivially reproducible on a fresh 
>> Mojave system (I don't _think_ there's anything unusual about my system, but 
>> who knows), it may be worth looking into.
> 
> The 2.6 branch is closed, there will be no more releases. Styling doesn’t 
> require any knowledge of the Gtk API. There are instructions for changing 
> fonts at 
> https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/FAQ#Q:_How_get_I_rid_of_strange_unreadable_characters_or_adjust_the_font_size.

Ah, that's a much more useful than the stuff my Google search turned up. Thanks!

Good news: I can change the fonts using that template. Bad news: I can't come 
up with any choices that aren't being turned into bold text (even some "Ultra 
Light" fonts). So it doesn't seem to be a font/resource issue.

Possibly related: 
https://stackoverflow.com/questions/52700341/fonts-in-gtk-on-macos-10-14-mojave-looking-bold

Anyway, no big deal, I'll live with it for now.

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Re: [GNC] Learning relate Gnucash to bank in 3-letter anagram world

[David Cousens]

Johnathon,

What facilities exist with your bank for automated transaction download will
to some extent depend upon your bank and what standards they have adopted
for communication with their customers. 

Most banks should at least use the Open Financial Exchange (OFX) protocol
either as a file you can download and import into OFX. Some banks will
support a program logging in to a portal automatically and directly
importing transactions using the same OFX protocol or using the interface
that was largely developd in European Banks. 

OFX is in turn an example of an XML (eXtensible Markup Language) which used
tags of the format 
Saving Account 
to enclose and identify the type of the datawithin the tags. In OFX the tags
associated with finacial data have a specified meaning.  If you Google
search for these acronyms you will turn up their definitions and
specifications usually on a site with a .org suffix.

Some banks will also offer financial data in other formats such as QIF
(Quicken Interchange Format) which is a proprietary format for Quicken
programs but also widely used by others or QFX which is a Quicken version of
the OFX protocol. QFX files can be imported with the "Import OFX" menu entry
as they are essentially the same format.

Another tabular format offered is CSV (Comma Separated Values) which
originated with spreadshett data, E.g. Microsoft Excel although it  predated
Excel (IBM 360 Fortran around 1972 I believe).

My bank only allows on-line access via their website and an authorized logon
to that site, not directaccess at present. I can the export selected data
for a given date range inany of OFX/QFX, QIF, MSMoney orCSV formats. Once
downloaded to my computer I import the OFX files into GnuCash and check for
any transactions which were not made by me usually while importing them and
assigning the Expense accounts or Income accounts associated with the
transaction to my bank account.

You may need to read some introductory material on double entry accounting
in general and as it is implemented in Gnucash. Wikipedia has some very good
explanantions of double entry accounting (see their headings Double Entry
Accounting, Accounting Equation, Debits and Credits for example. You will
also find other information sources on line. The GnuCash Tuorial and
Concepts guide is a good point to start with GNuCash specific information
https://www.gnucash.org/docs/v3/C/gnucash-guide/index.html

David Cousens





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Re: [GNC] Gnucash Backup

[GTI .H]

Download your GnuCash data file from the cloud to your new PC where you
want to restore it and open it with two clicks (with GnuCash installed, of
course)!

Done.

Em seg, 3 de dez de 2018 às 20:49, IanCarol - PC 
escreveu:

> I am using cloud backup service to back up my Gnu data.
> I wish to be able to restore to a different PC. How can I do that?
>
> Ian Waterfield
>


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GTI
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Re: [GNC] Text Files

[D via gnucash-user]

So, what are the files called?

On December 4, 2018, at 1:07 AM, Gareth Davies  
wrote:



Thanks for the reply D, but under the file type is says Text Document which can 
be opened in Notepad.

 

I might be missing it but I can’t find that reference in the link you sent

 

From: D [mailto:sunfis...@yahoo.com] 
Sent: 03 December 2018 17:48
To: Gareth Davies ; Gnucash Users 

Subject: Re: [GNC] Text Files

 

https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/FAQ#Q:_What_are_all_these_.gnucash_and_.log_files_filling_up_my_directory.3F



On December 3, 2018, at 11:15 PM, Gareth Davies via gnucash-user 
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Hi,

Can anyone tell me why there are a load of text files in the folder I save 
Gnucash to, and can they be safely deleted.

Thanks Gareth

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Re: [GNC] 3.3 unstable on macOS Mojave

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> On Dec 4, 2018, at 9:13 AM, Dan Smith  wrote:
> 
>> On Dec 1, 2018, at 4:35 PM, John Ralls  wrote:
>> 
>>> On Dec 2, 2018, at 4:31 AM, Dan Smith via gnucash-user 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I recently migrated from macOS High Sierra to a new system with Mojave, and 
>>> replaced Gnucash 2.6.* with 3.3. I found 3.3 to be unusable, and reverted 
>>> back to 2.6.23.
>>> 
>>> Some issues:
>>> 
>>> - Frequent crashes. Crashed about 3 times in 30 minutes of routine register 
>>> activities.
>>> 
>>> - Text UI irregularities. I sometimes found it impossible to get the cursor 
>>> in the position I wanted, or for "select all" to actually select an entire 
>>> field.
>>> 
>>> - Account list missing white/grey backgrounds. This is just cosmetic, and 
>>> may be a deliberate choice (or there's a setting somewhere?). But it's just 
>>> a white page now, no alternating row highlights.
>>> 
>>> 2.6.23 also has issues: it seems to have trouble finding the right font, 
>>> and so everything in the register and some other parts of the UI is in bold.
>>> 
>>> Are these known issues?
>> 
>> The crashes may be, but without a crash report one can’t be sure. Please 
>> check https://bugs.gnucash.org/show_bug.cgi?id=796879 and 
>> https://bugs.gnucash.org/show_bug.cgi?id=796867 or try the test build linked 
>> from both of them if your crash reports match the ones posted to either bug. 
>> If you have a different crash please open a new bug.
>> 
>> Cursor positioning is a problem reported by several users over time, see 
>> https://bugs.gnucash.org/show_bug.cgi?id=776602. If you have any additional 
>> information about the problem, including suggestions about how I might be 
>> able to replicate it, please add them to the bug report.
> 
> I attempted to do some further experimenting on these two issues, but now 3.3 
> crashes on startup. Presumably it's the startup bug I've seen referenced, but 
> anyway my crash log is pasted below if it's useful. I'll wait for a future 
> release before experimenting further with 3.*.

Yes, that’s https://bugs.gnucash.org/show_bug.cgi?id=796879 
. It will be fixed in 3.4 
which we’ll release in a couple of weeks.

> 
>> Alternating colors/shading was removed from Gtk3 with no way to restore it. 
>> At this point with Gtk3 in maintenance mode and all development effort going 
>> into Gtk4 it’s unlikely that the Gtk folks would restore it.
> 
> Okay, good to know.
> 
>> There is no GnuCash 2.6.23. Perhaps you mean 2.6.21? Regardless, fonts are a 
>> styling issue that you can change fairly easily. Search the web for Gtk 2 
>> theming.
> 
> Yes, sorry, 2.6.21.
> 
> Looks complicated, given that I have no knowledge of the Gtk API or how 
> GnuCash makes use of it. I can live with the ugly UI for now. But if there's 
> going to be a 2.6.22, and if this is trivially reproducible on a fresh Mojave 
> system (I don't _think_ there's anything unusual about my system, but who 
> knows), it may be worth looking into.

The 2.6 branch is closed, there will be no more releases. Styling doesn’t 
require any knowledge of the Gtk API. There are instructions for changing fonts 
at 
https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/FAQ#Q:_How_get_I_rid_of_strange_unreadable_characters_or_adjust_the_font_size
 
.

Regards,
John Ralls

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Re: [GNC] Working with compound interest on varying amounts

[Derek Atkins]

Hal,

Hal Vaughan  writes:

> So GnuCash doesn’t do this kind of thing?
>
> If it’s off by a cent or two, I can deal with it, but the problem is I
> use one credit line for multiple projects at a time, so I have to be
> able to easily work out the interest for each individual project.

I'm afraid that GnuCash really does NOT have the capability to deal with
this today.  It does not have a "Balance-as-of-date" function necessary
to do what you need.   So unfortunately you'll need to write a bunch of
code to support what you're looking for.

> Hal

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Re: [GNC] Gnucash Backup

[David Carlson]

Ian,

I think you need to ask your cloud about that.  Gnucash doesn't do backups.

David C

On Mon, Dec 3, 2018, 5:50 PM IanCarol - PC  I am using cloud backup service to back up my Gnu data.
> I wish to be able to restore to a different PC. How can I do that?
>
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Re: [GNC] How to automate $ value on the contra account when editing a transaction

[Derek Atkins]

Hi,

David wasserman  writes:

> Okay John, I will try to be clearer.
>
> I am talking about  inputting a new entry into an account.  Say, my bank
> account.  So, in the register I could enter Date; Notes: Account to Debit;
> Account to credit and their respective $ amounts.  However, if this is an
> entry I make frequently I will scroll up to the last time I made a similar
> transaction> right click>select  "Duplicate Transaction">enter the
> date>press OK and I am provided with a new transaction, accounts allocated
> and all.  But, the $ amount may be different to what I want.  So I edit the
> Debit and that forces an "Imbalance" entry on the Credit side.
>
> I would like it to mirror my edit on the Credit contra account - assuming
> the whole transaction consists of a single Debit line and Credit line,
> respectively.
>
> As I say, this is not a major issue in any sense.  I was just wondering,
> hoping, that there is a switch somewhere to accomplish that rule.

You do realize that you could just use Autofill, right?

GnuCash will assume that if you enter in the same Description then it
will auto-fill the rest of transaction.  I.e., you can go to an account,
enter in the "current" date, type in a description you've used before,
then hit "tab" and GnuCash will fill in the rest of the transaction as
before, including transfer account(s), and amounts.  Then will will jump
to and let you edit the amount.

This works in the contra-account as well, although we really recommend
you enter transactions only from Asset and Liability accounts and not
Income or Expense accounts.

If the transaction is a basic, 2-split transaction then if you edit the
amount it will properly edit the other-account amount, too.

I think this will work better than your "duplicate" method.  Try it.

> Regards
> Dave W

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Re: [GNC] Import qif does not remember account allocation.

[Derek Atkins]

Hi,

John Ralls  writes:

>> On Dec 3, 2018, at 6:06 AM, David wasserman  wrote:
>> 
>> Running Ubuntu 18.04.  GNC version 2.6.19.
>> 
>> Whereas GNC remembers previous account allocation on my Mastercard.
>> Importing from my recently new AMEX credit card, the system doesn't
>> remember the account allocation even for exactly the same transaction
>> multiple times previously booked.
>> 
>> How to fix, please?
>
> Keep importing. It takes several runs of the importer to build up
> enough matching data to generate matches, and it’s runs of the matcher
> that matter, not the number of transactions in an import.

Keep in mind that the QIF importer matches on FULL LINES.  If there is
even a single character different in the Payee or Memo then the QIF
importer will consider it different.

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Re: [GNC] 3.3 unstable on macOS Mojave

[Dan Smith via gnucash-user]

> On Dec 1, 2018, at 4:35 PM, John Ralls  wrote:
> 
>> On Dec 2, 2018, at 4:31 AM, Dan Smith via gnucash-user 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I recently migrated from macOS High Sierra to a new system with Mojave, and 
>> replaced Gnucash 2.6.* with 3.3. I found 3.3 to be unusable, and reverted 
>> back to 2.6.23.
>> 
>> Some issues:
>> 
>> - Frequent crashes. Crashed about 3 times in 30 minutes of routine register 
>> activities.
>> 
>> - Text UI irregularities. I sometimes found it impossible to get the cursor 
>> in the position I wanted, or for "select all" to actually select an entire 
>> field.
>> 
>> - Account list missing white/grey backgrounds. This is just cosmetic, and 
>> may be a deliberate choice (or there's a setting somewhere?). But it's just 
>> a white page now, no alternating row highlights.
>> 
>> 2.6.23 also has issues: it seems to have trouble finding the right font, and 
>> so everything in the register and some other parts of the UI is in bold.
>> 
>> Are these known issues?
> 
> The crashes may be, but without a crash report one can’t be sure. Please 
> check https://bugs.gnucash.org/show_bug.cgi?id=796879 and 
> https://bugs.gnucash.org/show_bug.cgi?id=796867 or try the test build linked 
> from both of them if your crash reports match the ones posted to either bug. 
> If you have a different crash please open a new bug.
> 
> Cursor positioning is a problem reported by several users over time, see 
> https://bugs.gnucash.org/show_bug.cgi?id=776602. If you have any additional 
> information about the problem, including suggestions about how I might be 
> able to replicate it, please add them to the bug report.

I attempted to do some further experimenting on these two issues, but now 3.3 
crashes on startup. Presumably it's the startup bug I've seen referenced, but 
anyway my crash log is pasted below if it's useful. I'll wait for a future 
release before experimenting further with 3.*.

> Alternating colors/shading was removed from Gtk3 with no way to restore it. 
> At this point with Gtk3 in maintenance mode and all development effort going 
> into Gtk4 it’s unlikely that the Gtk folks would restore it.

Okay, good to know.

> There is no GnuCash 2.6.23. Perhaps you mean 2.6.21? Regardless, fonts are a 
> styling issue that you can change fairly easily. Search the web for Gtk 2 
> theming.

Yes, sorry, 2.6.21.

Looks complicated, given that I have no knowledge of the Gtk API or how GnuCash 
makes use of it. I can live with the ugly UI for now. But if there's going to 
be a 2.6.22, and if this is trivially reproducible on a fresh Mojave system (I 
don't _think_ there's anything unusual about my system, but who knows), it may 
be worth looking into.

Thanks,
Dan

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Process:   Gnucash [9898]
Path:  
/Users/USER/Desktop/Gnucash-3.3.app/Contents/MacOS/Gnucash
Identifier:org.gnucash.Gnucash
Version:   3.3 (3.3)
Code Type: X86-64 (Native)
Parent Process:??? [1]
Responsible:   Gnucash [9898]
User ID:   501

Date/Time: 2018-12-03 17:04:04.129 -0700
OS Version:Mac OS X 10.14.1 (18B75)
Report Version:12
Anonymous UUID:393098BB-03D0-C677-4FAA-F047B9688924

Sleep/Wake UUID:   3B6013EB-3D9E-48AE-8CF9-8AFCAD320D3C

Time Awake Since Boot: 99000 seconds
Time Since Wake:   6700 seconds

System Integrity Protection: enabled

Crashed Thread:0  Dispatch queue: com.apple.main-thread

Exception Type:EXC_BAD_ACCESS (SIGSEGV)
Exception Codes:   KERN_INVALID_ADDRESS at 0x00020018
Exception Note:EXC_CORPSE_NOTIFY

Termination Signal:Segmentation fault: 11
Termination Reason:Namespace SIGNAL, Code 0xb
Terminating Process:   exc handler [9898]

VM Regions Near 0x20018:
MALLOC_LARGE   00011a62f000-00011a9af000 [ 3584K] rw-/rwx 
SM=PRV  
--> 
MALLOC_NANO6000-6800 [128.0M] rw-/rwx 
SM=PRV  

Application Specific Information:
objc_msgSend() selector name: visibleFrame


Thread 0 Crashed:: Dispatch queue: com.apple.main-thread
0   libobjc.A.dylib 0x7fff7779711d objc_msgSend_stret + 
29
1   libgdk-3.0.dylib0x00010d869d02 
gdk_quartz_monitor_get_workarea + 98
2   libgtk-3.0.dylib0x00010d44d44f 
gtk_window_guess_default_size + 79
3   libgtk-3.0.dylib0x00010d447243 
gtk_window_compute_configure_request + 515
4   libgtk-3.0.dylib0x00010d450921 gtk_window_realize + 
641
5   libgobject-2.0.0.dylib  0x00010dc37a0a _g_closure_invoke_va 
+ 314
6   libgobject-2.0.0.dylib  0x00010dc4f831 g_signal_emit_valist 
+ 1521
7   libgobject-2.0.0.dylib  0x00010dc50216 g_signal_emit + 134
8   libgtk-3.0.dylib0x00010d42dc81 gtk_widget_realize + 
257
9   libgtk-3.0.dylib0x00010d450141 

[GNC] Gnucash Backup

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I am using cloud backup service to back up my Gnu data.
I wish to be able to restore to a different PC. How can I do that?

Ian Waterfield
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Re: [GNC] How to automate $ value on the contra account when editing a transaction

[David Cousens]

Dave,

The problem for GnuCash is that when you have duplicated a previous
transaction and then edit it, GnuCash has no way of knowing what your
intentions are. The engine is currently setup to maintain a transaction in
balance as it is edited. When you change the value of one split of the
transaction, the engine is designed to calculate the difference between the
new sum of the splits and zero and allocate that to the Imbalance account
which simplifies creating transactions with 2 or more splits.
 
It would be feasible in principle to detect whether the editeded transaction
only has two splits and to adjust the value of the second split rather than
the imbalance account in that case. How easy that is to do will require a
close look at how the engine manages the balancing.

This introduces a further complication however. If your intention was to
change this to a transaction with 3 or more splits. You could not do what
you would do at present which is edit the existing two splits into an
imbalanced state and have GnuCash create the 3rd split automatically and
allocate it to the Imbalance account which you then reassign to the account
you desire that split to go to. 

You would have to create the split to the third account and assign it a
value first to break the two split calculation as above out of the two split
mode rather than just edit the existing splits. 

It will be a judgement call as to how many users would be inconvenienced by
the current approach relative to those who would then be inconvenienced if
it was changed as described  above.

Perhaps raise a feature enhancement request at bug.gnucash.org.

David Cousens



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Re: [GNC] Working with compound interest on varying amounts

[Dale Alspach]

I am assuming that the credit line is actually using daily compounding.
In that case the calculations in the response from Steve are not correct.

An alternate approach is to consider is the following.

Warning: I tried this with a toy example. It seems to work but there may
be some downsides that I have not noticed. There may be better choices
for the types of accounts or a way to use a fake currency that will make
some things more intuitive.

Create a liability account for the credit line. Name it Restorations.

Create a (internal to your gnucash account) security CDOLL (compounded
dollar). Use the Price editor to initiate the value at $1.00. This
security will represent the value of a dollar after compounding since
Day 1. So if the daily interest rate is constant r, CDOLL has price
(1+r)^n on Day n+1. (Below I use CDOLL(n) to denote the value on Day n.)
If the daily rate fluctuates, then an external table, spreadsheet or
calculator will be needed to track this.

For each restoration project create a stock subaccount of Restorations
with shares in the security CDOLL.
Suppose one such account is named House 1.

Suppose it is Day 10 and $50,000 is used to purchase the property. Enter
a transaction in account House 1 with share price CDOLL on Day 10, i.e.,
CDOLL(10), and Sell (Cost) $50,000. Gnucash will compute the number of
shares as $50,000/CDOLL(10). (The Sell may seem strange but this is to
cause an increase in liabilty. Total shares and value will be negative
as well.)

It is now Day 15. To get the portion of the credit line for House 1
enter the current value (Day 15 value) of CDOLL using the Price editor.
The (negative) value in dollars of House 1 will show the result of
50,000/CDOLL(10)*CDOLL(15) which is $50,000 plus interest accumulated
for the Days 11 to 15. Note that every project will reflect its current
value after this one entry with the Price editor. The value of
Restorations will show the total liability from all of the projects.

Every time there is an additional borrowing or a repayment is made the
value of CDOLL on that day should be used as the share price and the
Sell or Buy should be the actual dollar amount.

Dale




On 12/3/18 12:52 PM, Stephen M. Butler wrote:
> On 12/3/18 6:02 AM, Hal Vaughan wrote:
>> So GnuCash doesn’t do this kind of thing?
>>
>> If it’s off by a cent or two, I can deal with it, but the problem is I
>> use one credit line for multiple projects at a time, so I have to be
>> able to easily work out the interest for each individual project.
>>
>> Hal
> 
> Not automatically.  Remember that you can enter formulas instead of
> values into the debit/credit fields.  However, even here the values you
> want to use are not represented by symbolic variables. That is, GNC has
> nothing to which the current balance of the account is assigned.  And,
> your interest rate varies along with the number of days between
> transactions.  However, you could enter the values and let GNC calculate
> the results.  You may have to enter extra transactions on the dates so
> you can pick up the new balance to use for the next transaction date. 
> In general, the interest amount to add to the outstanding balance is: 
> old-balance * annual-interest-rate * #daysbetween / 360 (or 365
> depending on your bank.
> 
> January 1 - withdraw $50,000 from zero balance giving a loan balance of
> $50,000
> 
> January 15 - calc interest @3% for 14 days -- $50,000 * .03 * 14 / 365 
> (grab the value GNC calculates and put it on the Interest Expense for
> the project).  May need to round it up/down from $57.534246.  Lets call
> it $57.53
> 
> January 15 - withdraw another $10,000 giving new balance of $60,057.53
> 
> January 31 - cal additional interest for past 16 days: $60,057.53 * .03
> * 16 / 365 = =$78.979765479 (round it up to $78.98).
> 
> This will get more complicated if the $50,000 was for the purchase of
> one house but the $10,000 was for the roof of another house.
> 
> So, this will take more typing -- but GNC can do the calculations -- you
> just need to remember the formula.
> 
> As David indicated, it will be easier to take the values from the
> statement and enter them after the fact.  Again, more complicated if you
> have more than one project in a given month.
> 
> If your bank allows you to download the transactions as a QFX (or
> related) file, that would be the simplest.  Simply override which
> project gets the expense side of the transaction -- including the
> interest transactions.
> 
> --Steve
> 
>>> On Dec 3, 2018, at 7:03 AM, David T.  wrote:
>>>
>>> Hal,
>>>
>>> Most such calculations are devilishly difficult to represent with
>>> 100% accuracy, which is why I have always opted to base my
>>> transactions on the statement, rather than try to anticipate what the
>>> finance company is going to come up with.
>>>
>>> David T
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Dec 3, 2018 at 12:10, Hal Vaughan
>>>  wrote:
>>> For the past few years, for my business that is mostly about
>>> renovating or 

Re: [GNC] Text Files

[David Cousens]

Gareth,

If you chose XML format to save your data, all the data files are actually text 
files. The main data file and its
backups files are formatted internally with XML tags.  The log files have their 
own syntax for each transaction record.
You can open any of them with any text editor. 

Linux reports the files ending in ".gnucash" as spreadsheet files and the 
".log" files as Text files but that is because
of the mapping of file extensions onto file types used.

https://www.gnucash.org/docs/v3/C/gnucash-guide/basics-backup1.html

also https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Backup

David Cousens


On Mon, 2018-12-03 at 19:37 +, Gareth Davies via gnucash-user wrote:
> Thanks for the reply D, but under the file type is says Text Document which 
> can be opened in Notepad.
> 
>  
> 
> I might be missing it but I can’t find that reference in the link you sent
> 
>  
> 
> From: D [mailto:sunfis...@yahoo.com] 
> Sent: 03 December 2018 17:48
> To: Gareth Davies ; Gnucash Users 
> 
> Subject: Re: [GNC] Text Files
> 
>  
> 
> https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/FAQ#Q:_What_are_all_these_.gnucash_and_.log_files_filling_up_my_directory.3F
> 
> 
> 
> On December 3, 2018, at 11:15 PM, Gareth Davies via gnucash-user 
>  gnucash-user@gnucash.org> > wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Can anyone tell me why there are a load of text files in the folder I save 
> Gnucash to, and can they be safely deleted.
> 
> Thanks Gareth
> 
> Sent from Mail  >;
> for Windows 10
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Re: [GNC] Text Files

[David Carlson]

I think that Windows calls them text files if once you opened one with
Notepad.

They are constructed with text characters,  but they are not exactly human
readable.

David C

On Mon, Dec 3, 2018, 1:39 PM Gareth Davies via gnucash-user <
gnucash-user@gnucash.org wrote:

> Thanks for the reply D, but under the file type is says Text Document
> which can be opened in Notepad.
>
>
>
> I might be missing it but I can’t find that reference in the link you sent
>
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> From: D [mailto:sunfis...@yahoo.com]
> Sent: 03 December 2018 17:48
> To: Gareth Davies ; Gnucash Users <
> gnucash-user@gnucash.org>
> Subject: Re: [GNC] Text Files
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>
>
> https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/FAQ#Q:_What_are_all_these_.gnucash_and_.log_files_filling_up_my_directory.3F
>
>
>
> On December 3, 2018, at 11:15 PM, Gareth Davies via gnucash-user <
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>
>
>
> Hi,
>
> Can anyone tell me why there are a load of text files in the folder I save
> Gnucash to, and can they be safely deleted.
>
> Thanks Gareth
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Re: [GNC] Text Files

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At Mon, 3 Dec 2018 17:43:38 + Gareth Davies  
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> 
> Hi,
> 
> Can anyone tell me why there are a load of text files in the folder I save
> Gnucash to, and can they be safely deleted.

If you mean the .log files, these are transaction logs.  You can delete them 
if you are sure your currently saved data file is 100% up-to-date and correct.
Note that there will also be a batch of GnuCash data files, with names 
containing the date and time.  These are backup copies of your data file.

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Re: [GNC] Text Files

[Gareth Davies via gnucash-user]

Thanks for the reply D, but under the file type is says Text Document which can 
be opened in Notepad.

 

I might be missing it but I can’t find that reference in the link you sent

 

From: D [mailto:sunfis...@yahoo.com] 
Sent: 03 December 2018 17:48
To: Gareth Davies ; Gnucash Users 

Subject: Re: [GNC] Text Files

 

https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/FAQ#Q:_What_are_all_these_.gnucash_and_.log_files_filling_up_my_directory.3F



On December 3, 2018, at 11:15 PM, Gareth Davies via gnucash-user 
mailto:gnucash-user@gnucash.org> > wrote:



Hi,

Can anyone tell me why there are a load of text files in the folder I save 
Gnucash to, and can they be safely deleted.

Thanks Gareth

Sent from Mail >; for Windows 10

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Re: [GNC] How to automate $ value on the contra account when editing a transaction

[Stephen M. Butler]

On 12/3/18 9:16 AM, David Carlson wrote:

Interesting idea...

I would like to see it implemented as a pop-up dialog asking the user if
(s)he would like to update the 'other side' to the same value if it is a
simple two line transaction.  If the user closes the transaction without
responding yes the imbalance amount is entered.

David C



I too have thought it would be nice.  Not only when you deliberately 
duplicate a transaction but also when GNC pops in the last entered 
transaction of the same "name" as the template.  I would like the option 
to turn off the pop-up for a simple two line transaction.  Just do it!


Now, a multi-line transaction will be harder.  Even there I'm wondering 
if you could flag certain lines to be "static" and reduce it own to just 
two "dynamic" lines.  For example, the monthly mortgage payment which 
consists of:


A.  Principal amount -- dynamic

B.  Interest amount -- dynamic

C.  Escrow amount -- static (changes annually)

D.  Bank deduction -- static (changes if escrow changed).

If you changed the amount applied to principal then the interest amount 
would change to keep the transaction in balance.


Definitely easier to do with the two line transaction.


On Mon, Dec 3, 2018 at 6:07 AM David wasserman 
wrote:


Okay John, I will try to be clearer.

I am talking about  inputting a new entry into an account.  Say, my bank
account.  So, in the register I could enter Date; Notes: Account to Debit;
Account to credit and their respective $ amounts.  However, if this is an
entry I make frequently I will scroll up to the last time I made a similar
transaction> right click>select  "Duplicate Transaction">enter the
date>press OK and I am provided with a new transaction, accounts allocated
and all.  But, the $ amount may be different to what I want.  So I edit the
Debit and that forces an "Imbalance" entry on the Credit side.

I would like it to mirror my edit on the Credit contra account - assuming
the whole transaction consists of a single Debit line and Credit line,
respectively.

As I say, this is not a major issue in any sense.  I was just wondering,
hoping, that there is a switch somewhere to accomplish that rule.

Regards
Dave W

On Mon, Dec 3, 2018 at 11:05 AM John Ralls 
wrote:




On Dec 3, 2018, at 6:33 AM, David wasserman 

wrote:

I have the habit of duplicating previous transactions rather than

entering

the whole thing afresh.

It occurs to me that in a simple Debit and Credit entry that it may be
possible to have the contra entry mimic the first amount, either

entered

or

edited.

Not a big problem but a niggle that I have.

Could you explain that in a bit more detail?

Regards,
John Ralls


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Re: [GNC] Installation on a Mac

[Adrien Monteleone]

That “Drag to Applications” thingy you see on some apps is a sort of visual 
’trick’ - nothing fancy.

You can set a background to any finder window.

You can have a link to a location (shortcut).

If you drag an item onto a link, Finder will copy the item to the link’s 
ultimate real location.

What you are seeing when you open such a dmg is the window is sized ‘just so’ 
with a background image containing the text instructions “Drag to Applications” 
or sometimes, just a fancy arrow. The .app file and the applications link are 
then placed strategically to fit around the text or arrows appropriately. If 
the user follows the instructions, the ‘magic’ installation happens. Try 
enlarging the next dmg you see like this and choose to re-arrange the icons and 
you’ll see what I mean.

You could just as well open another finder tab or window with /Applications as 
a target (or any other folder, really) and copy your .app there. The effect 
will be the same. (copying to a folder other than /Applications will probably 
mean it won’t be visible from LaunchPad however)

I suppose whomever packages GnuCash for Mac could go through this trouble, but 
I think they made a fair bet that anyone installing GnuCash will have installed 
other Mac apps already and thus can figure it out. Just for completeness, 
instructions are in the README.

There are some other apps which use a different procedure. (more common pre-OS 
X) Those apps (Virtualbox being one particular case) need more than just to 
exist in the /Applications folder as they have to make changes or install files 
in protected system locations. (which need admin rights)

Regards,
Adrien

> On Dec 2, 2018, at 8:42 PM, Gerry Starnes  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Actually I’m a MacHead. =)The GnuCash installation is not clear and 
> different programs install differently. It doesn’t do the usual “Drag this to 
> Applications” kind of instruction. Some open source programs use a variety of 
> installation procedures.   Just glad I figured it out.   
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Gerry S   
> 
> 
>> 
>> On Dec 2, 2018 at 8:32 PM,  mailto:sunfis...@yahoo.com)>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Dave,  
>> 
>> 
>> I'm pretty sure Gerry was not talking about configuration files. His 
>> references to folders in Applications suggests that. The terminology he uses 
>> suggests he is more familiar with Windows or Linux than the Mac, since (as 
>> John notes elsewhere) the only installation one needs to do for Gnucash on 
>> the Mac is drag the executable into Applications.   
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> FWIW, Gerry, you can install different versions of gnucash on a mac simply 
>> by changing the name of the app in the Applications folder. I have 2.6.21 
>> and 3.3 side by side on my machine. Increasingly, I open 3.3, but I keep 
>> 2.6.21 because the look is more to my taste.   
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> David
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Mon, Dec 3, 2018 at 4:58, David Reiser via gnucash-user
>>> 
>>>   wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On a Mac, the Gnucash support files are either in the app bundle itself, or 
>>> in ~/Library/Application Support/Gnucash, so it takes a little work to move 
>>> them from Windows/Linux to a Mac.
>>> --
>>> Dave Reiser
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>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Dec 2, 2018, at 3:15 PM, Gerry Starnes  
 mailto:gerrystar...@gmail.com)>  wrote:
 
 I had the same problem with 3.3. I had to add a couple of steps though.
 
 1) renamed the old folder in Applications to GnuCash 2.2
 2) created a new folder for GnuCash 3.3 in the Applications folder.
 3) copied all of the files in the window that opened when I double clicked 
 the installer volume to the new GnuCash 3.3 folder
 4) clicked on GnuCash in the new folder
 
 This opened GnuCash correctly and it also found my previous data files. 
 Seems to me that something about the installation does not actually put 
 the executable and support files in the Applications folder.
 
 Gerry S
 
 On Sun, Dec 2, 2018 at 1:21 PM David Reiser via gnucash-user  
 mailto:gnucash-user@gnucash.org)   
 >  wrote:
 On Dec 2, 2018, at 12:17 PM, Jules Levinson  
 mailto:juleslevin...@comcast.net)   
 >  wrote:
> 
> I have used GnuCash for many years, but only on Windows. My wife has
> decided to give GnuCash a try. She uses a Mac. I've never used one.
> 
> She downloaded the current *.dmg file from the website and then did
> whatever one does on a Mac to install an application. Several times. Many
> times. Installation failed, always in the same way, leaving her with, at
> best, an icon for GnuCash but unable to open the program. Unfamiliar with
> the Mac, I am unable to help her. I hope someone on this list will be able
> to assist me to assist her.
> 
> In search of information, I stumbled across a few forums and queries. One

Re: [GNC] Working with compound interest on varying amounts

[Stephen M. Butler]

On 12/3/18 6:02 AM, Hal Vaughan wrote:

So GnuCash doesn’t do this kind of thing?

If it’s off by a cent or two, I can deal with it, but the problem is I use one 
credit line for multiple projects at a time, so I have to be able to easily 
work out the interest for each individual project.

Hal


Not automatically.  Remember that you can enter formulas instead of 
values into the debit/credit fields.  However, even here the values you 
want to use are not represented by symbolic variables. That is, GNC has 
nothing to which the current balance of the account is assigned.  And, 
your interest rate varies along with the number of days between 
transactions.  However, you could enter the values and let GNC calculate 
the results.  You may have to enter extra transactions on the dates so 
you can pick up the new balance to use for the next transaction date.  
In general, the interest amount to add to the outstanding balance is:  
old-balance * annual-interest-rate * #daysbetween / 360 (or 365 
depending on your bank.


January 1 - withdraw $50,000 from zero balance giving a loan balance of 
$50,000


January 15 - calc interest @3% for 14 days -- $50,000 * .03 * 14 / 365  
(grab the value GNC calculates and put it on the Interest Expense for 
the project).  May need to round it up/down from $57.534246.  Lets call 
it $57.53


January 15 - withdraw another $10,000 giving new balance of $60,057.53

January 31 - cal additional interest for past 16 days: $60,057.53 * .03 
* 16 / 365 = =$78.979765479 (round it up to $78.98).


This will get more complicated if the $50,000 was for the purchase of 
one house but the $10,000 was for the roof of another house.


So, this will take more typing -- but GNC can do the calculations -- you 
just need to remember the formula.


As David indicated, it will be easier to take the values from the 
statement and enter them after the fact.  Again, more complicated if you 
have more than one project in a given month.


If your bank allows you to download the transactions as a QFX (or 
related) file, that would be the simplest.  Simply override which 
project gets the expense side of the transaction -- including the 
interest transactions.


--Steve


On Dec 3, 2018, at 7:03 AM, David T.  wrote:

Hal,

Most such calculations are devilishly difficult to represent with 100% 
accuracy, which is why I have always opted to base my transactions on the 
statement, rather than try to anticipate what the finance company is going to 
come up with.

David T


On Mon, Dec 3, 2018 at 12:10, Hal Vaughan
 wrote:
For the past few years, for my business that is mostly about renovating or 
restoring houses and reselling them (not flipping - this work takes time), I’ve 
used a Python library I wrote myself to handle accounting.  It was basically 
made up mostly of stuff I had, with a few new things added in.

I would like to switch over to GnuCash.  Luckily, since I’m at a slow point and 
between projects, I can do that without worrying about converting old data for 
older LLCs and projects.

There’s one issue I’m not sure can be handled by GnuCash, so I’d like to find 
out about it before trying to switch over.

I use a line of credit.  Luckily the interest rate is basically constant.  (There’s a 
slight flux, but not much.)  The problem is its compounded and, of course, every time I 
withdraw money from the credit line or pay any back, the principal amount changes.  I’m 
hoping, at this point, people are saying, "Oh, yeah, just do this…."

But just in case there’s a need for clarification, if I withdraw $50,000 to 
purchase a house on January 1, then, on the 15th, withdraw $10,000 for roofing 
work, need to figure out the total owed to that credit line on 1/31, and the 
interest rate is 3%, then I have to figure compound interest on $50,000 at 3% 
from 1/1 to 1/15.  Then I have to add $10,000 to that amount to calculate the 
interest on the $50,000 plus 15 days of interest, plus $10,000, plus the 
interest from the 15th to the 30th, at 3%, to get a clear number for what I owe.

Can I have this done automatically on an account?  If not, how can I easily 
keep track of this in GnuCash?


Thank you!


Hal


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Re: [GNC] Installation of Gnu Cash 3.3

[Adrien Monteleone]

Sorry, disregard. I see the OP posted this twice.

Regards,
Adrien

> On Dec 3, 2018, at 12:34 PM, Adrien Monteleone 
>  wrote:
> 
> Geert,
> 
> You might not be seeing his screenshot (it is rather small and low-res 
> however) which as we know doesn’t always come through
> 
> It looks like Windows 10, with an error pop-up:
> 
> "gnucash.exe - Entry Point Not Found
> 
> The procedure entry point inflate/validate could not be located in the 
> dynamic link library C:\Program Files (x86)\gnucash/bin/libpng16-16.dll”
> 
> That doesn’t answer all of your questions, but it might shed a little light.
> 
> Regards,
> Adrien
> 
>> On Dec 3, 2018, at 3:07 AM, Geert Janssens  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Op zondag 2 december 2018 16:59:47 CET schreef David Smith:
>>> Please can you tell me why I cannot install the latest version?
>> 
>> Just a second while I look into my crystal ball ;)
>> 
>> More seriously, it's very hard to help you when you give this little 
>> information.
>> 
>> To start, what OS are you on ?
>> What exactly have you tried to install GnuCash 3.3 on your system ?
>> What happened exactly ?
>> 
>> The more details you provide the easier it will be for someone to help you.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
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>> 
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Re: [GNC] Installation of Gnu Cash 3.3

[Adrien Monteleone]

Geert,

You might not be seeing his screenshot (it is rather small and low-res however) 
which as we know doesn’t always come through

It looks like Windows 10, with an error pop-up:

"gnucash.exe - Entry Point Not Found

The procedure entry point inflate/validate could not be located in the dynamic 
link library C:\Program Files (x86)\gnucash/bin/libpng16-16.dll”

That doesn’t answer all of your questions, but it might shed a little light.

Regards,
Adrien

> On Dec 3, 2018, at 3:07 AM, Geert Janssens  wrote:
> 
> Op zondag 2 december 2018 16:59:47 CET schreef David Smith:
>> Please can you tell me why I cannot install the latest version?
> 
> Just a second while I look into my crystal ball ;)
> 
> More seriously, it's very hard to help you when you give this little 
> information.
> 
> To start, what OS are you on ?
> What exactly have you tried to install GnuCash 3.3 on your system ?
> What happened exactly ?
> 
> The more details you provide the easier it will be for someone to help you.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Geert
> 
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Re: [GNC] How to automate $ value on the contra account when editing a transaction

[Fred Bone]

On Monday, December 3, 2018 at 23:02, David wasserman said:

> Okay John, I will try to be clearer.
> 
> I am talking about  inputting a new entry into an account.  Say, my bank
> account.  So, in the register I could enter Date; Notes: Account to Debit;
> Account to credit and their respective $ amounts.  However, if this is an
> entry I make frequently I will scroll up to the last time I made a similar
> transaction> right click>select  "Duplicate Transaction">enter the
> date>press OK and I am provided with a new transaction, accounts allocated
> and all.  But, the $ amount may be different to what I want.  So I edit
> the Debit and that forces an "Imbalance" entry on the Credit side.

Not if you are in Basic Ledger view, it doesn't (unless there are 
multiple Credit splits, when obviously it won't know how to adjust them 
without being told).

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Re: [GNC] Budget Help

[Adrien Monteleone]

Peter,

Do you have any accounts with transactions in them yet or is this your first 
steps with GnuCash?

Are those accounts in the same currency as the default currency for your book?

I’ve seen issues in the past that the budget will not show empty accounts, or 
accounts with different currencies. (If you have Trading Accounts turned on you 
will see them however)

If you need to see as yet unused accounts, click View > Filter By > Other and 
check “Show unused accounts”

Regards,
Adrien

> On Nov 30, 2018, at 4:49 PM, Peter088  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> 
> 
> I'm a new user coming over from 30 years of Quicken usage.   I'm having
> trouble creating a budget.  My understanding from the documentation is that
> clicking Create Budget would bring up a sort of a grid with cells.  Each
> cell would correspond to an account (row) and a time period (column) and
> then I click on the cell, enter my estimate for (let's say) spending in that
> account for that period.  However, when I create the budget, I don't get any
> cells.  I get absolutely nothing that I can click.  Please see screen shot.
> 
> 
> Can you tell me what I've done wrong please?
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks very much,
> 
> 
> 
> Peter MacDonough
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Re: [GNC] Text Files

[D via gnucash-user]

https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/FAQ#Q:_What_are_all_these_.gnucash_and_.log_files_filling_up_my_directory.3F

On December 3, 2018, at 11:15 PM, Gareth Davies via gnucash-user 
 wrote:

Hi,

Can anyone tell me why there are a load of text files in the folder I save 
Gnucash to, and can they be safely deleted.

Thanks Gareth

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

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Re: [GNC] Installation on a Mac

[D via gnucash-user]

The installation for Gnucash is like many other Mac apps that I've loaded that 
had a dmg file that opened up, and the user was expected to drag the app into 
the Applications folder. Someone must have felt this was a common enough 
practice to obviate the need for explanation.

Unfortunately, additional details about this process were omitted from the 
Installation page on the wiki, to which the user is directed from the main 
website. I have added these instructions to the page for future users.I

David

On December 3, 2018, at 9:27 PM, Gerry Starnes  wrote:

Actually, it was the lack of instruction that was confusing. When I 
double-clicked on the Volume, it opened a window with the program and other 
support files. And that was it. Most usually, there is either an instruction to 
drag the file into the Applications folder or an installer runs. Since neither 
happened, I wasn't sure if something went wrong, and unsure of what to do with 
the support documents. Then, when I clicked on the program in that window, it 
appeared to start to run but stopped. I did that several times with the same 
result. So, I was confused.


Someone in this thread gave me the clue to drag the program into the 
Applications folder (but still what about the support docs?). Instead, I 
created a separate folder in the Applications folder for the new files, renamed 
the old file and ran it from there. I'm always wary about losing something, so 
unless the program updates internally, I'm always cautious. Maybe overly so, 
but this data is too important to lose.


Gerry S


On Mon, Dec 3, 2018 at 5:46 AM David T.  wrote:

Gerry,


I'm curious what installation instructions were confusing?


David T


On Mon, Dec 3, 2018 at 8:12, Gerry Starnes

 wrote:

Actually I’m a MacHead. =)  The GnuCash installation is not clear and different 
programs install differently. It doesn’t do the usual “Drag this to 
Applications” kind of instruction. Some open source programs use a variety of 
installation procedures. Just glad I figured it out. 


Gerry S


On Dec 2, 2018 at 8:32 PM,  wrote:

Dave,


I'm pretty sure Gerry was not talking about configuration files. His references 
to folders in Applications suggests that. The terminology he uses suggests he 
is more familiar with Windows or Linux than the Mac, since (as John notes 
elsewhere) the only installation one needs to do for Gnucash on the Mac is drag 
the executable into Applications. 


FWIW, Gerry, you can install different versions of gnucash on a mac simply by 
changing the name of the app in the Applications folder. I have 2.6.21 and 3.3 
side by side on my machine. Increasingly, I open 3.3, but I keep 2.6.21 because 
the look is more to my taste. 


David


On Mon, Dec 3, 2018 at 4:58, David Reiser via gnucash-user

 wrote:

On a Mac, the Gnucash support files are either in the app bundle itself, or in 
~/Library/Application Support/Gnucash, so it takes a little work to move them 
from Windows/Linux to a Mac.
--
Dave Reiser
dbrei...@icloud.com





> On Dec 2, 2018, at 3:15 PM, Gerry Starnes  wrote:
> 
> I had the same problem with 3.3. I had to add a couple of steps though. 
> 
> 1) renamed the old folder in Applications to GnuCash 2.2
> 2) created a new folder for GnuCash 3.3 in the Applications folder.
> 3) copied all of the files in the window that opened when I double clicked 
> the installer volume to the new GnuCash 3.3 folder
> 4) clicked on GnuCash in the new folder
> 
> This opened GnuCash correctly and it also found my previous data files. Seems 
> to me that something about the installation does not actually put the 
> executable and support files in the Applications folder.
> 
> Gerry S
> 
> On Sun, Dec 2, 2018 at 1:21 PM David Reiser via gnucash-user 
> mailto:gnucash-user@gnucash.org>> wrote:
> On Dec 2, 2018, at 12:17 PM, Jules Levinson  > wrote:
> > 
> > I have used GnuCash for many years, but only on Windows. My wife has
> > decided to give GnuCash a try. She uses a Mac. I've never used one.
> > 
> > She downloaded the current *.dmg file from the website and then did
> > whatever one does on a Mac to install an application. Several times. Many
> > times. Installation failed, always in the same way, leaving her with, at
> > best, an icon for GnuCash but unable to open the program. Unfamiliar with
> > the Mac, I am unable to help her. I hope someone on this list will be able
> > to assist me to assist her.
> > 
> > In search of information, I stumbled across a few forums and queries. One
> > resembled her experience closely:
> > 
> > "The installation process appears to go normally, there's the usual warning
> > about 'Opening' a file downloaded from the internet and the GNUCash icon is
> > seen 'bouncing' up & down on the lower docking bar, but after you 'click'
> > Open the GNUCash icon disappears and the installation process halts -
> > nothing! No GNUCash. I've tried several fresh downloads and repeated the
> > same 

[GNC] Text Files

[Gareth Davies via gnucash-user]

Hi,

Can anyone tell me why there are a load of text files in the folder I save 
Gnucash to, and can they be safely deleted.

Thanks Gareth

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

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Re: [GNC] GNUCash 'Credit Notes

[Trentham]

Many thanks.  Makes perfect sense.



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Re: [GNC] How to automate $ value on the contra account when editing a transaction

[David Carlson]

Interesting idea...

I would like to see it implemented as a pop-up dialog asking the user if
(s)he would like to update the 'other side' to the same value if it is a
simple two line transaction.  If the user closes the transaction without
responding yes the imbalance amount is entered.

David C

On Mon, Dec 3, 2018 at 6:07 AM David wasserman 
wrote:

> Okay John, I will try to be clearer.
>
> I am talking about  inputting a new entry into an account.  Say, my bank
> account.  So, in the register I could enter Date; Notes: Account to Debit;
> Account to credit and their respective $ amounts.  However, if this is an
> entry I make frequently I will scroll up to the last time I made a similar
> transaction> right click>select  "Duplicate Transaction">enter the
> date>press OK and I am provided with a new transaction, accounts allocated
> and all.  But, the $ amount may be different to what I want.  So I edit the
> Debit and that forces an "Imbalance" entry on the Credit side.
>
> I would like it to mirror my edit on the Credit contra account - assuming
> the whole transaction consists of a single Debit line and Credit line,
> respectively.
>
> As I say, this is not a major issue in any sense.  I was just wondering,
> hoping, that there is a switch somewhere to accomplish that rule.
>
> Regards
> Dave W
>
> On Mon, Dec 3, 2018 at 11:05 AM John Ralls 
> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > > On Dec 3, 2018, at 6:33 AM, David wasserman 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > I have the habit of duplicating previous transactions rather than
> > entering
> > > the whole thing afresh.
> > >
> > > It occurs to me that in a simple Debit and Credit entry that it may be
> > > possible to have the contra entry mimic the first amount, either
> entered
> > or
> > > edited.
> > >
> > > Not a big problem but a niggle that I have.
> >
> > Could you explain that in a bit more detail?
> >
> > Regards,
> > John Ralls
> >
> >
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Re: [GNC] Learning relate Gnucash to bank in 3-letter anagram world

[Tommy Trussell]

responses below. PLEASE copy the list with any replies

On Sun, Dec 2, 2018 at 8:54 PM Jonathan Ames  wrote:

> Obviously I'm new to Gnucash, though I've had it four years and decided
> after a few attempts that I had insufficient IQ, and was perhaps myself an
> evolutionary side-track.
>

This isn't the list to discuss the merits of IQ, though I believe many
respected professionals believe the concept is outmoded. Certainly you
would not want to let frustration with a free / libre software package
cause you to think less of your abilities. ;-)


> So on this last attempt I got accounts established; however, when time to
> attach to bank, or even copy and download transactions, it's alphabet city.
> So I don't lose my mind, someone please confirm that in 'open source' there
> is no automation of such transaction, as there is in Quicken, YNAB, etc.. I
> could download a QXF (or whatever) file to desktop, but could not bring it
> into Gnucash. The "import" tab doesn't seem operative, though I got the QFX
> from desktop into an odd file called "Imbalance" (unexplained). I then
> attempted to transfer the file to my home checking; would not do. The
> specific bank account behaves as if it were a placeholder, though it is a
> named account under "Bank Accounts". Of course, the bank uses its own
> categories; I would expect to categorize them as per "Common Accounts"
> list.
>

I think if you go back and read the documentation again and work through
the tutorials you might better understand what's going on with the
imbalance register. If you don't have the documentation copied to your
computer, try starting here:

https://www.gnucash.org/docs.phtml

Once you get to that page, you'll want to start with the Tutorial and
Concepts Guide. Probably you'll want to grab the PDF version for ease of
reading, but it's also available in other formats, including a web version
(which requires many more "clicks" to navigate through).

I see on the web that others have struggled with this basic, essential
> function of any accounting program (such as Quickbooks, which I use and
> want to discontinue).
>

This is where I became inspired to respond -- I have used GnuCash for well
over a decade, and Quicken for quite a few years before it, and I have
never used the download transactions features (except maybe to test them).
TO ME, downloading transactions eliminates one important part of the
purpose of using an accounting program, IN MY OPINION -- to verify that the
transactions in my bank accounts are correct and were initiated by me (or
someone in my household). (I emphasized that because your priorities may
differ.)

What do I do instead? Every few days I go through my receipts (from my
wallet, from my email, occasionally from my faulty memory) and enter the
transactions into the various registers. The credit card transactions to a
credit card account, the checks to a checking account, the cash
expenditures to the "cash in wallet" account, etc.

Then every month my banks issue a statement, which I use to reconcile
against the transactions I entered. I always seem to find some transactions
I missed, but that gives me a chance to track them down.

Occasionally I have found some spurious bank transactions that I did NOT
create -- once it was a transaction at a pizza shop; another time it was
coffee stored value cards purchased on my account -- these I have reported
to the banks as fraudulent. The banks removed them from my accounts asked
me to report them to my local police department. I also usually also tell
them to replace that card and I switch to using one at another bank until
all the balances settle.

If you download all the transactions from the bank, you're somewhat less
likely to notice the transactions that are not yours.

Also if (by some strange set of circumstances) someone at the BANK made an
error, you might NEVER catch it.

(I also reconcile my Cash in Wallet account -- which I do even though I
don't have a statement to compare, just the "emptiness" of my wallet -- so
my "books" reflect our family's actual expenditures at tax time. That
sometimes means sizable monthly "Miscellaneous" expenditures whose amounts
I cannot usually account for exactly.)


> I am running Sierra on an 8gb ram/512 gb storage. The help sources seem to
> have skipped over this function -- working with bank accounts. Sure it's
> there somewhere, though the three-step suggestion doesn't work.
>

Where specifically did you look at the "help sources"? I think you'll find
what you're looking for in Chapters 5 and 6 of the Tutorial and Concepts
Guide.


> So: is automatic connection to bank accounts possible? If not, how do you
> "aim" downloaded QFX transaction files?


I know many folks use these features, but maybe you should specify exactly
what you're hoping to achieve. I believe GnuCash cannot INITIATE
transactions at your bank, so if you have been using a program that did,
you are correct that GnuCash won't do that.


> Also, are Gnucash 

Re: [GNC] Installation on a Mac

[Gerry Starnes]

Actually, it was the lack of instruction that was confusing. When I
double-clicked on the Volume, it opened a window with the program and other
support files. And that was it. Most usually, there is either an
instruction to drag the file into the Applications folder or an installer
runs. Since neither happened, I wasn't sure if something went wrong, and
unsure of what to do with the support documents. Then, when I clicked on
the program in that window, it appeared to start to run but stopped. I did
that several times with the same result. So, I was confused.

Someone in this thread gave me the clue to drag the program into the
Applications folder (but still what about the support docs?). Instead, I
created a separate folder in the Applications folder for the new files,
renamed the old file and ran it from there. I'm always wary about losing
something, so unless the program updates internally, I'm always cautious.
Maybe overly so, but this data is too important to lose.

Gerry S

On Mon, Dec 3, 2018 at 5:46 AM David T.  wrote:

> Gerry,
>
> I'm curious what installation instructions were confusing?
>
> David T
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 3, 2018 at 8:12, Gerry Starnes
>  wrote:
> Actually I’m a MacHead. =)  The GnuCash installation is not clear and
> different programs install differently. It doesn’t do the usual “Drag this
> to Applications” kind of instruction. Some open source programs use a
> variety of installation procedures. Just glad I figured it out.
>
> Gerry S
>
> On Dec 2, 2018 at 8:32 PM, > wrote:
>
> Dave,
>
> I'm pretty sure Gerry was not talking about configuration files. His
> references to folders in Applications suggests that. The terminology he
> uses suggests he is more familiar with Windows or Linux than the Mac, since
> (as John notes elsewhere) the only installation one needs to do for Gnucash
> on the Mac is drag the executable into Applications.
>
> FWIW, Gerry, you can install different versions of gnucash on a mac simply
> by changing the name of the app in the Applications folder. I have 2.6.21
> and 3.3 side by side on my machine. Increasingly, I open 3.3, but I keep
> 2.6.21 because the look is more to my taste.
>
> David
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 3, 2018 at 4:58, David Reiser via gnucash-user
>  wrote:
> On a Mac, the Gnucash support files are either in the app bundle itself,
> or in ~/Library/Application Support/Gnucash, so it takes a little work to
> move them from Windows/Linux to a Mac.
> --
> Dave Reiser
> dbrei...@icloud.com
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Dec 2, 2018, at 3:15 PM, Gerry Starnes 
> wrote:
> >
> > I had the same problem with 3.3. I had to add a couple of steps though.
> >
> > 1) renamed the old folder in Applications to GnuCash 2.2
> > 2) created a new folder for GnuCash 3.3 in the Applications folder.
> > 3) copied all of the files in the window that opened when I double
> clicked the installer volume to the new GnuCash 3.3 folder
> > 4) clicked on GnuCash in the new folder
> >
> > This opened GnuCash correctly and it also found my previous data files.
> Seems to me that something about the installation does not actually put the
> executable and support files in the Applications folder.
> >
> > Gerry S
> >
> > On Sun, Dec 2, 2018 at 1:21 PM David Reiser via gnucash-user <
> gnucash-user@gnucash.org > wrote:
> > On Dec 2, 2018, at 12:17 PM, Jules Levinson  > wrote:
> > >
> > > I have used GnuCash for many years, but only on Windows. My wife has
> > > decided to give GnuCash a try. She uses a Mac. I've never used one.
> > >
> > > She downloaded the current *.dmg file from the website and then did
> > > whatever one does on a Mac to install an application. Several times.
> Many
> > > times. Installation failed, always in the same way, leaving her with,
> at
> > > best, an icon for GnuCash but unable to open the program. Unfamiliar
> with
> > > the Mac, I am unable to help her. I hope someone on this list will be
> able
> > > to assist me to assist her.
> > >
> > > In search of information, I stumbled across a few forums and queries.
> One
> > > resembled her experience closely:
> > >
> > > "The installation process appears to go normally, there's the usual
> warning
> > > about 'Opening' a file downloaded from the internet and the GNUCash
> icon is
> > > seen 'bouncing' up & down on the lower docking bar, but after you
> 'click'
> > > Open the GNUCash icon disappears and the installation process halts -
> > > nothing! No GNUCash. I've tried several fresh downloads and repeated
> the
> > > same installation process without success."
> > >
> > > I read this to her. She replied, "That is what is happening on my
> computer."
> > >
> > > Thanks for whatever help you can offer us.
> > >
> > > Jules B. Levinson
> > > ___
> >
> >
> > If the gnucash is in the Applications folder (usual place to install
> apps on a mac), and that is where it gets launched the first time when the
> system 

Re: [GNC] Installation on a Mac

[Jules Levinson]

Friends,

I am pleased to report that, acting upon the suggestions, instructions, and
advice that many of you offered in response to the note I sent to the list
yesterday (Sunday, 2 December 2018), my wife has successfully installed
GnuCash on her Mac. To her it seemed that she had done all of these things
previously, to no avail, but the encouragement and experience of others led
her to stop regarding her own problems as an anomaly, and she mentioned
something about having had to drag & drop the *.dmg file from a folder
other than the one to which it downloaded by default to some other folder
from which she then dropped it into the folder for applications (do I have
that right? I know Windows and Linux reasonably well, but I am utterly
unfamiliar with the MacOS). I don't know the particulars, and neither of us
understand why this proved true, but in the end she was able to install the
program. As many of you have reported, once installed, the first attempt to
start the program went nowhere, and then with the second attempt the
program fired up happily. That's where things stand on Monday morning.
Pretty good. Many thanks to all who helped us get to this point.

Best wishes,

Jules

On Mon, Dec 3, 2018 at 12:07 AM John Ralls 
wrote:

> Please remember to copy the list on all replies.
>
> Perhaps it would be simpler if your wife joined the list?
>
> Regards,
> John Ralls
>
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Re: [GNC] GNUCash 'Credit Notes

[Geert Janssens]

Op maandag 3 december 2018 16:16:07 CET schreef Trentham:
> I know this is an old post but it's taken me a long time to find it!
> 
> It's very helpful info however it seems that doing this does not relate the
> credit to a particular invoice and so in the receivable ageing report the
> customer now shows as being there but with zero outstanding.  Is there any
> solution to this?

The way to do this is to "pay" the credit note with the invoice or "pay" the 
invoice with the credit note.

You can do so as follows:
1. open the Process Payment Window
2. Select the proper customer
3. Select both invoice and credit note
4. If invoice and credit note are not offsetting each other exactly, adjust 
the payment or refund amount to reflect whether you have also paid the 
remaining amount or not (if you have paid the remaining amount, continue to 
select the account you used for that payment, otherwise the the payment/refund 
fields to 0)
5. Hit ok.

Regards,

Geert


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Re: [GNC] GNUCash 'Credit Notes

[Trentham]

I know this is an old post but it's taken me a long time to find it!  

It's very helpful info however it seems that doing this does not relate the
credit to a particular invoice and so in the receivable ageing report the
customer now shows as being there but with zero outstanding.  Is there any
solution to this?



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Re: [GNC] Working with compound interest on varying amounts

[Hal Vaughan]

So GnuCash doesn’t do this kind of thing?

If it’s off by a cent or two, I can deal with it, but the problem is I use one 
credit line for multiple projects at a time, so I have to be able to easily 
work out the interest for each individual project.

Hal

> On Dec 3, 2018, at 7:03 AM, David T.  wrote:
> 
> Hal,
> 
> Most such calculations are devilishly difficult to represent with 100% 
> accuracy, which is why I have always opted to base my transactions on the 
> statement, rather than try to anticipate what the finance company is going to 
> come up with. 
> 
> David T 
> 
> 
> On Mon, Dec 3, 2018 at 12:10, Hal Vaughan
>  wrote:
> For the past few years, for my business that is mostly about renovating or 
> restoring houses and reselling them (not flipping - this work takes time), 
> I’ve used a Python library I wrote myself to handle accounting.  It was 
> basically made up mostly of stuff I had, with a few new things added in.
> 
> I would like to switch over to GnuCash.  Luckily, since I’m at a slow point 
> and between projects, I can do that without worrying about converting old 
> data for older LLCs and projects.
> 
> There’s one issue I’m not sure can be handled by GnuCash, so I’d like to find 
> out about it before trying to switch over.
> 
> I use a line of credit.  Luckily the interest rate is basically constant.  
> (There’s a slight flux, but not much.)  The problem is its compounded and, of 
> course, every time I withdraw money from the credit line or pay any back, the 
> principal amount changes.  I’m hoping, at this point, people are saying, "Oh, 
> yeah, just do this…."
> 
> But just in case there’s a need for clarification, if I withdraw $50,000 to 
> purchase a house on January 1, then, on the 15th, withdraw $10,000 for 
> roofing work, need to figure out the total owed to that credit line on 1/31, 
> and the interest rate is 3%, then I have to figure compound interest on 
> $50,000 at 3% from 1/1 to 1/15.  Then I have to add $10,000 to that amount to 
> calculate the interest on the $50,000 plus 15 days of interest, plus $10,000, 
> plus the interest from the 15th to the 30th, at 3%, to get a clear number for 
> what I owe.
> 
> Can I have this done automatically on an account?  If not, how can I easily 
> keep track of this in GnuCash?
> 
> 
> Thank you!
> 
> 
> Hal
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Re: [GNC] Can no longer print checks

[HB Sidman via gnucash-user]

Thanks Ron for the idea. I had 5 drivers (old) that work with my 
printer. None worked. Went online to Dell and found an update to 3 of 
them. I tried these, 2 had the printer print blank pages and one did not 
work at all. So I guess that is progress?


Thanks,

HB

On 12/2/2018 1:52 PM, Ronal B Morse wrote:

Thank you.  I don't have a solution, but I can tell you I have experienced the
same problem with Windows, except in my case the application was "NannyPay2",
which is a front end for FileMakerPro. In that case the print dialog would not
accept any input into the page range settings and that led to no output.

All other applications could print normally. Other NannyPay2/FilemakerPro
users did not report the issue.

I have a HP CP2025DN printer.  There were two work-arounds: either print
documents to .pdf format (print to file) then print the resulting .pdf file
from another application, or change the printer driver from the preferred HP
Postscript for Color LaserJet driver to a PCL3 printer control language
driver.

Curiously, a third driver using the PCL6 printer control language (also
compatible with my hardware) produced the same symptoms as the Postscript
driver.

I hope someone can find a solution for you.

Ron Morse

On Sun, 2018-12-02 at 09:15 -0700, Ronal B Morse wrote:

Sidman, can you manually enter a value/select an option from the
now blank "page range" setting?  There should be options for
"all" and "range" with a dialog box, and "current page" or similar.

RBM

On Sun, 2018-12-02 at 10:04 -0600, David Carlson wrote:

I have run out of ideas.  Any others able to help?

David C

On Sun, Dec 2, 2018 at 8:18 AM HB Sidman  wrote:


There is no problem printing from other programs. Because of my work I
print from 10 or 15 different programs to printers and pdf. I have tried
to
print checks and reports to pdf and it will print. However, the result
is
a
blank page. HB

  On 12/2/2018 9:00 AM, David Carlson wrote:

That behavior is very similar to what you see when the output goes to
the
wrong printer.

Have you tried things like printing to PDF or printing from a different
program?

David C

On Sun, Dec 2, 2018, 7:31 AM HB Sidman 
I ran the fix - modified for windows 10 64 and Microsoft Edge/IE11.
Never
had the problem with the reports not showing just not printing. It did
not
work.

When I bring up a report or check to print, I clink on "print". This
opens the print window box. It shows my printer as "ready". In the
Page
Range section the Pages area is blank. This indicates there are no
pages
to
print - I think. If I then go ahead and click on print then the print
icon
shows up in the bottom tray. But it indicates there are no documents
in
the
cue. It then goes away after a couple of minutes.

Thanks,

HB
On 12/2/2018 2:44 AM, David Carlson wrote:

You can see how old this bug is, I am not sure if you can run IE9 in
windows 10.  Perhaps someone knows if this work-around can be adapted
to
WIN 10.

On Sun, Dec 2, 2018 at 1:40 AM David Carlson <
david.carlson@gmail.com>
wrote:


HB,

I found the bug report.  Check comment 40.

https://bugs.gnucash.org/show_bug.cgi?id=645273

On Sat, Dec 1, 2018 at 1:32 PM HB Sidman  wrote:


I started off looking in the the old reports to see if there was
anything and could not find anything about windows and printing
problems.
That may be my inability to search properly. So if anyone knows
the
fix
that you are referring to I hope they will give me the location.

Thanks for the help,

HB
On 12/1/2018 1:30 PM, David Carlson wrote:

That looks identical to the same file on my computer, but I did
not
check the entire guid line.

There is a very old bug report about not being able to print in
Windows
which has never been resolved because it cannot be repeated.  I
don't
remember the bug number.  Someone found a work-around that seems
to
make
the problem go away until a re-install of something, either
Windows
or
GnuCash.  That work-around may work for you.

David C

On Sat, Dec 1, 2018 at 11:55 AM HB Sidman  wrote:


David,

I can not print reports, now. New problem. I opened one of the
.chk in
Wordpad and this is what printed out:

[Top]
Guid = 378e5740-a2d3-4678-be20-37d14d97b458
Title = Liberty(tm) Personal Checks US-Letter
Rotation = -90.0
Translation = 4;492
Show_Grid = false
Show_Boxes = false

[Check Items]
Type_1 = PAYEE
Coords_1 = 118.0;74.0

Type_2 = AMOUNT_WORDS
Coords_2 = 90.0;96.0

Type_3 = AMOUNT_NUMBER
Coords_3 = 415.0;74.0

Type_4 = DATE
Coords_4 = 323.0;43.0

Type_5 = NOTES
Coords_5 = 90.0;155.0

I did not make custom checks. I am using 2.6.21

Thanks for the help,

HB

HB Sidman
703-938-6700 (O) 703-562-1953 (F)

On 12/1/2018 11:46 AM, David Carlson wrote:

I did not address the failure to print problem.  That is
probably
not
related to the .chk files but something else.  Can you print
reorts?

David C

On Sat, Dec 1, 2018 at 10:42 AM David Carlson <
david.carlson@gmail.com> wrote:


HB,

Windows always calls *.chk files 'Recovered File 

Re: [GNC] Working with compound interest on varying amounts

[David T. via gnucash-user]

Hal,
Most such calculations are devilishly difficult to represent with 100% 
accuracy, which is why I have always opted to base my transactions on the 
statement, rather than try to anticipate what the finance company is going to 
come up with. 
David T 

 
 
  On Mon, Dec 3, 2018 at 12:10, Hal Vaughan wrote:   For the 
past few years, for my business that is mostly about renovating or restoring 
houses and reselling them (not flipping - this work takes time), I’ve used a 
Python library I wrote myself to handle accounting.  It was basically made up 
mostly of stuff I had, with a few new things added in.

I would like to switch over to GnuCash.  Luckily, since I’m at a slow point and 
between projects, I can do that without worrying about converting old data for 
older LLCs and projects.

There’s one issue I’m not sure can be handled by GnuCash, so I’d like to find 
out about it before trying to switch over.

I use a line of credit.  Luckily the interest rate is basically constant.  
(There’s a slight flux, but not much.)  The problem is its compounded and, of 
course, every time I withdraw money from the credit line or pay any back, the 
principal amount changes.  I’m hoping, at this point, people are saying, "Oh, 
yeah, just do this…."

But just in case there’s a need for clarification, if I withdraw $50,000 to 
purchase a house on January 1, then, on the 15th, withdraw $10,000 for roofing 
work, need to figure out the total owed to that credit line on 1/31, and the 
interest rate is 3%, then I have to figure compound interest on $50,000 at 3% 
from 1/1 to 1/15.  Then I have to add $10,000 to that amount to calculate the 
interest on the $50,000 plus 15 days of interest, plus $10,000, plus the 
interest from the 15th to the 30th, at 3%, to get a clear number for what I owe.

Can I have this done automatically on an account?  If not, how can I easily 
keep track of this in GnuCash?


Thank you!


Hal
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Re: [GNC] How to automate $ value on the contra account when editing a transaction

[David wasserman]

Okay John, I will try to be clearer.

I am talking about  inputting a new entry into an account.  Say, my bank
account.  So, in the register I could enter Date; Notes: Account to Debit;
Account to credit and their respective $ amounts.  However, if this is an
entry I make frequently I will scroll up to the last time I made a similar
transaction> right click>select  "Duplicate Transaction">enter the
date>press OK and I am provided with a new transaction, accounts allocated
and all.  But, the $ amount may be different to what I want.  So I edit the
Debit and that forces an "Imbalance" entry on the Credit side.

I would like it to mirror my edit on the Credit contra account - assuming
the whole transaction consists of a single Debit line and Credit line,
respectively.

As I say, this is not a major issue in any sense.  I was just wondering,
hoping, that there is a switch somewhere to accomplish that rule.

Regards
Dave W

On Mon, Dec 3, 2018 at 11:05 AM John Ralls 
wrote:

>
>
> > On Dec 3, 2018, at 6:33 AM, David wasserman 
> wrote:
> >
> > I have the habit of duplicating previous transactions rather than
> entering
> > the whole thing afresh.
> >
> > It occurs to me that in a simple Debit and Credit entry that it may be
> > possible to have the contra entry mimic the first amount, either entered
> or
> > edited.
> >
> > Not a big problem but a niggle that I have.
>
> Could you explain that in a bit more detail?
>
> Regards,
> John Ralls
>
>
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Re: [GNC] Installation on a Mac

[David T. via gnucash-user]

Gerry,
I'm curious what installation instructions were confusing?
David T

 
 
  On Mon, Dec 3, 2018 at 8:12, Gerry Starnes wrote:   
Actually I’m a MacHead. =)  The GnuCash installation is not clear and different 
programs install differently. It doesn’t do the usual “Drag this to 
Applications” kind of instruction. Some open source programs use a variety of 
installation procedures. Just glad I figured it out. 
Gerry S

On Dec 2, 2018 at 8:32 PM,  wrote:

Dave,
I'm pretty sure Gerry was not talking about configuration files. His references 
to folders in Applications suggests that. The terminology he uses suggests he 
is more familiar with Windows or Linux than the Mac, since (as John notes 
elsewhere) the only installation one needs to do for Gnucash on the Mac is drag 
the executable into Applications. 
FWIW, Gerry, you can install different versions of gnucash on a mac simply by 
changing the name of the app in the Applications folder. I have 2.6.21 and 3.3 
side by side on my machine. Increasingly, I open 3.3, but I keep 2.6.21 because 
the look is more to my taste. 
David

 
 
  On Mon, Dec 3, 2018 at 4:58, David Reiser via 
gnucash-user wrote:   On a Mac, the Gnucash support 
files are either in the app bundle itself, or in ~/Library/Application 
Support/Gnucash, so it takes a little work to move them from Windows/Linux to a 
Mac.
--
Dave Reiser
dbrei...@icloud.com





> On Dec 2, 2018, at 3:15 PM, Gerry Starnes  wrote:
> 
> I had the same problem with 3.3. I had to add a couple of steps though. 
> 
> 1) renamed the old folder in Applications to GnuCash 2.2
> 2) created a new folder for GnuCash 3.3 in the Applications folder.
> 3) copied all of the files in the window that opened when I double clicked 
> the installer volume to the new GnuCash 3.3 folder
> 4) clicked on GnuCash in the new folder
> 
> This opened GnuCash correctly and it also found my previous data files. Seems 
> to me that something about the installation does not actually put the 
> executable and support files in the Applications folder.
> 
> Gerry S
> 
> On Sun, Dec 2, 2018 at 1:21 PM David Reiser via gnucash-user 
> mailto:gnucash-user@gnucash.org>> wrote:
> On Dec 2, 2018, at 12:17 PM, Jules Levinson  > wrote:
> > 
> > I have used GnuCash for many years, but only on Windows. My wife has
> > decided to give GnuCash a try. She uses a Mac. I've never used one.
> > 
> > She downloaded the current *.dmg file from the website and then did
> > whatever one does on a Mac to install an application. Several times. Many
> > times. Installation failed, always in the same way, leaving her with, at
> > best, an icon for GnuCash but unable to open the program. Unfamiliar with
> > the Mac, I am unable to help her. I hope someone on this list will be able
> > to assist me to assist her.
> > 
> > In search of information, I stumbled across a few forums and queries. One
> > resembled her experience closely:
> > 
> > "The installation process appears to go normally, there's the usual warning
> > about 'Opening' a file downloaded from the internet and the GNUCash icon is
> > seen 'bouncing' up & down on the lower docking bar, but after you 'click'
> > Open the GNUCash icon disappears and the installation process halts -
> > nothing! No GNUCash. I've tried several fresh downloads and repeated the
> > same installation process without success."
> > 
> > I read this to her. She replied, "That is what is happening on my computer."
> > 
> > Thanks for whatever help you can offer us.
> > 
> > Jules B. Levinson
> > ___
> 
> 
> If the gnucash is in the Applications folder (usual place to install apps on 
> a mac), and that is where it gets launched the first time when the system 
> asks you if you want to run an app downloaded from the internet, when you say 
> “Yes, run it”, the Mac fails to open the app. If you go back to the 
> Applications folder and double click Gnucash again, it will open Gnucash as 
> expected (without asking again if you’re sure). That’s what has been 
> happening for me for many version releases, maybe even before the 3.x 
> versions. After that first aborted launch for a new download, I have not had 
> any launch failures. 
> 
> So, plan to have to open Gnucash twice on a Mac the first time you try 
> running a newly downloaded copy. 
> 
> Keep in mind, though, that double clicking on any gnucash data file on a mac 
> usually results in gnucash opening with the last data file it used, even if 
> that wasn’t the file you double-clicked in Finder. Use File>Open from within 
> Gnucash. Just launch Gnucash directly if you want to use the last file it had 
> open.
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Re: [GNC] Fw: Installation of Gnu Cash 3.3

[Geert Janssens]

Op maandag 3 december 2018 09:53:46 CET schreef David Smith:
> This happens when I try to install GNUCash on to my computer using Windows
> 10. Please see image of screenshot.
> 
> Please can anyone help?
> 
> Regards,
> 
> David

You can disregard my previous mail. I hadn't seen this one yet.

The error message is very hard to read as the image has been scaled down. For 
others I'll transliterate it here. It goes more or less like this:
The procedure entry point "inflateValidate" could not be located in the 
dynamic link library C:\Program Files (x86)\gnucash\bin\libpng16-16.dll

That message suggests gnucash finds a bad libpng dll.
Did you have gnucash installed before trying to install gnucash 3.3 ?

What you can try to fix this:
1. Uninstall gnucash
2. After the uninstaller has run, remove directory C:\Program Files (x86)
\gnucash should it still exist
3. Reinstall gnucash

Regards,

Geert


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Re: [GNC] Installation of Gnu Cash 3.3

[Geert Janssens]

Op zondag 2 december 2018 16:59:47 CET schreef David Smith:
> Please can you tell me why I cannot install the latest version?

Just a second while I look into my crystal ball ;)

More seriously, it's very hard to help you when you give this little 
information.

To start, what OS are you on ?
What exactly have you tried to install GnuCash 3.3 on your system ?
What happened exactly ?

The more details you provide the easier it will be for someone to help you.

Regards,

Geert

P.S. Be sure to reply to the list instead of my personally. It will increase 
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