Re: [GNC] installation ..... Mac

2019-02-11 Thread Adrien Monteleone
From within the /Applications folder right-click on Gnucash.app and choose 
‘open’.

You will be asked if you want to open an app that was downloaded from the 
internet. You of course want to.

GnuCash should launch.

From then on, you can keep it in your dock and launch from there.

Regards,
Adrien

> On Feb 11, 2019, at 7:18 PM, John Darwin Powers  wrote:
> 
> Hello, I have a Mac 2009 MacBook Pro running 10.9.5 on a SSD.  I also have 
> macOS 10.11.6 El Capitan also an a SSD, but the 10.9.5 is my primary OSX.
> 
> I download the gnu cash get the .dmg image then drag the gnucash app to my 
> applications folder and then click on the app.
> A message box appears indication that the gnu cash app is being verified.
> The message box disappears and then nothing happens.
> There is no indication that gnucash is running, but if you bring-up “force 
> quit” the application appears in the list.
> 
> What am I doing wrong?
> 
> Thanks, JP


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Re: [GNC] transaction imported do not show up

2019-02-11 Thread David Cousens
Anatoly

What version of GNuCash are you using and on what platform
(Linux/Windows/MacOS)?

How were you trying to import your data from the bank? Directly using an
on-line connection or by downloading a datafile and then importing that file
into GnuCash?

If the latter what was the format of the data file?

While there is online support for direct download from a bank from within
GnuCash, this is not necessarily available from all banks or in many
countries.

Other options usually available are to download OFX/QFX files, QIF files,
CSV files. Of these the first are generally easiest to import provided the
bank has got the OFX format right. Not all do.

David Cousens



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Re: [GNC] Importing Quicekn Files

2019-02-11 Thread John Ralls



> On Feb 11, 2019, at 12:28 PM, David Seltzer via gnucash-user 
>  wrote:
> 
> I am a new user and just tried to import my Quicken files following the 
> instructions.  However, My files are saved as .QDF files, not .QIF and I get 
> a wrong format error message when I try to import them.
> 
> 
> I would appreciate any suggestions for fixing this.

You must export them as QIF or QFX files. GnuCash doesn't know how to read QDF.

Regards,
John Ralls

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Re: [GNC] Problem after upgrade from 2.6.14 to 3.x, bookings of an account are cut off

2019-02-11 Thread John Ralls



> On Feb 11, 2019, at 6:13 AM, Paneologist via gnucash-user 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> does anyone have suggestions how to trace the fault further?
> even if I launch gnucash with "gnucash --log "=debug" --log
> "gnc.backend.dbi=debug" --log "qof=debug" --log "gnc=debug", I do not get
> anything on STDOUT or STDERR..

Logs are by default written to https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Tracefile. Use 
--logto=foo to change that; stdout and stderr are special values of foo that do 
what you'd expect, otherwise foo is expected to be a file path.

> but first of all the problem:
> in the account/bookings view gnucash shows me only entries until a specific
> date. all newer and newly created bookings are not being shown.
> But there are bookings in the MySQL (respecitvely MariaDB) databases. I see
> there all corresponding transactions and splits.
> the corresponding bookings in the other accounts are shown.
> 
> I migrated to 3.x by exporting the book into xml, but in this file(s) the
> contents are already missing.
> 
> I have a backup of the database (which worked fine until gnucash 2.6.14. But
> if I open that database using gnucash 3.3 or 3.4 those data are not shown.
> 
> currently:
> Version: 3.4
> Build ID: 3.4+ (2018-12-30)
> Finance::Quote: 1.47
> 
> using the command-line option --debug doesn't show any database related
> information or exceptions.

As a first guess you have a filter set. Select View>Filter By... and make sure 
that "Show All" is selected on the date tab.

Regards,
John Ralls
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[GNC] installation ..... Mac

2019-02-11 Thread John Darwin Powers
Hello, I have a Mac 2009 MacBook Pro running 10.9.5 on a SSD.  I also have 
macOS 10.11.6 El Capitan also an a SSD, but the 10.9.5 is my primary OSX.

I download the gnu cash get the .dmg image then drag the gnucash app to my 
applications folder and then click on the app.
A message box appears indication that the gnu cash app is being verified.
The message box disappears and then nothing happens.
There is no indication that gnucash is running, but if you bring-up “force 
quit” the application appears in the list.

What am I doing wrong?

Thanks, JP
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[GNC] Importing Quicekn Files

2019-02-11 Thread David Seltzer via gnucash-user
I am a new user and just tried to import my Quicken files following the 
instructions.  However, My files are saved as .QDF files, not .QIF and I 
get a wrong format error message when I try to import them.



I would appreciate any suggestions for fixing this.

Thank you in advance,
David Seltzer
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Re: [GNC] Problem with Splits

2019-02-11 Thread David Cousens
Gareth,

There is no way that GnuCash automatically debits or credits an asset
account when you enter a transaction from an income or expense account. You
have to manually enter the second part of the transaction to create the
appropriate debit or credit to the asset account. When you have entered the 
transaction into say an expense account you enter the first split

E.g. if you have the Expense:Clothes Account open and you enter the
transaction there
Date Description   Account  
   
Debit Credit
12/12/19  Clothes
Expense:Clothes  $30 

you will have to enter the second split which will credit your bank account.
To do this you can use the tab key after entering the $30 in the  debit
column to open   up the second split line.In this line if you tab to the
Account field , click on the field to bring up the drop down list and select
Asset:Current Assets:Bank  (or whatever account you are spending the money
from) you will find the $30 appears in the Credit column to balance the
transaction. I.e. the account register now looks like:

Date Description   Account  
   
Debit Credit
12/12/19  Clothes
Expense:Clothes  $30.00 
  
Asset:CurrentAssets:Bank $30.00

If you then hit return and then click anywhere else in the window (a
previous transaction or on the date for a new transaction the dialog asking
you to either  record or cancel the transaction will then come up. Select
Record and you are done.

See https://www.gnucash.org/docs/v3/C/gnucash-help/ch_Common_Trans_Ops.html
for more detail about entering transactions.



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[GNC] Order of scheduled transaction processing

2019-02-11 Thread prl
When GnuCash processes scheduled transactions and there is more than one 
transaction on a single day, in which order are those transactions 
created? It looks like it might be alphabetical by name. Is that correct?


Peter


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[GNC] transaction imported do not show up

2019-02-11 Thread anatoly
Hi: I was taught by a friend and use gnucash for years but am not really 
knowledgeable. I didn't use and maintain an account with a bank since 
2015. Recently I decided to start using it again. I tried to import data 
from the bank but it didn't show up in the ledger. How can I restore 
that gnucash account? Thank you.


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Re: [GNC] accrual of property tax payments

2019-02-11 Thread Derek Atkins
Keith Bellairs  writes:

> My property tax is payable in 4 installments -- August, November, February,
> and May. I have tried to set this up with my town as the vendor and 4
> payments.
>
> When I ran my income statement for last year, I see that the future
> liabilities have been posted with the date that the bill was posted, not
> the date that the bill is due. So all of my 2019 payments show as tax
> expense in 2018.
>
> Is there a way to have the vendor bills show up dated with the due date
> instead of the date posted?

See:  https://bugs.gnucash.org/show_bug.cgi?id=95700

This is talking about customer invoices, but vendor bills use the same
logic.  Note the date of the bug report.

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Re: [GNC] SMTP TLS -- Re: Liabilities and Net Worth in Android app

2019-02-11 Thread Derek Atkins
humming.b...@posteo.net writes:

> Dear Derek,
>
> if this email reaches the list, then TLS is working.

Considering you sent it to me *and* the list, I have no way to confirm.
My tests seem to imply it is working.  ;)

> Cheers
> Chris

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Re: [GNC] Gnucash leadership team

2019-02-11 Thread Derek Atkins
"David T. via gnucash-user"  writes:

> Honestly, the decision is yours. 
>
> I’ve been using GnuCash now for over 13 years. Back then, Derek Atkins
> was one of the primary developers, having taken over for another crew
> that had carried GnuCash from its early years as xaccountant. He
> stepped back, and several others stepped in. So, it’s been through
> that process a couple of times anyway already.

And I'm still here.  Just not as active as before (as you can tell from
my 10-day delay in responding ;)

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Re: [GNC] Problem with Splits

2019-02-11 Thread Michael or Penny Novack

On 2/11/2019 2:40 PM, Christian Kluge wrote:

Hi,

my general rule of thumb is to always entering from an asset or
liability account.

 The proper "general rule" for a (one side) split transaction is to 
enter it from the side (debit or credit) that is NOT being split. That 
this is most often either and asset or a liability account just the 
consequence of that most often the side of the transaction not being split.


Starting with an account on the side of the transaction being split will 
make entry almost as difficult as entering a transaction that is split 
on both sides.


You need an example? Say you are paying for your share of an expense X 
and the person you are sharing with allows you to pay part in cash and 
owe the rest. You would begin this split from the expense account (the 
credit side being split  between cash (asset) and loan (liability)


Michael D Novack
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Re: [GNC] Problem with Splits

2019-02-11 Thread Christian Kluge
Hi,

my general rule of thumb is to always entering from an asset or
liability account.

(Which might have something to do with the fact that in the software I
use at work one account is autofilled from the last transaction).

This way its also easier to keep track of bank accounts balance
and you don’t to switch account windows that often.

Kind regards

Christian Kluge

Am 11.02.2019 um 20:07 schrieb Adrien Monteleone:
> Gareth,
> 
> Not sure exactly what you mean with respect to "a different heading."
> 
> As a general rule, I’d enter all transactions in the account the money is 
> coming from.
> 
> So if you are entering an expense, open your cash or checking account that 
> you are using to pay the expense, and enter it there.
> 
> If you are entering receipt of money, open the relevant income account and 
> enter the transaction showing where the money went. 
> (cash/checking/undeposited funds, etc.)
> 
> You can enter a transaction into any account, but by sticking to this 
> workflow you can eliminate lots of confusion. You can also use the General 
> Journal but that too can introduce confusion if you aren’t careful.
> 
> I’d also highly recommend turning on Double Line mode and Transaction Journal 
> under the View Menu. This will show all information for the transaction at 
> all times and will help you to learn what GnuCash is doing as well as get a 
> handle on double-entry accounting. (it will also help if you use Formal 
> Accounting labels, which will make all accounts show the debit/credit columns 
> rather than various labels which depend on account type)
> 
> Regards,
> Adrien
> 
>> On Feb 11, 2019, at 11:13 AM, Gareth Davies via gnucash-user 
>>  wrote:
>>
>>
>> Windows 10, GC v 3.2.
>>
>>
>>
>> Help.
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi, I am having a problem trying to get an Account in Assets to
>> automatically decrease or increase when I update and income or expense under
>> a different heading.
>>
>>
>>
>> I have tried setting it up, but it doesn't seem to work.
>>
>>
>>
>> Gareth
> 
> 
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Re: [GNC] Problem with Splits

2019-02-11 Thread Adrien Monteleone
Gareth,

Not sure exactly what you mean with respect to "a different heading."

As a general rule, I’d enter all transactions in the account the money is 
coming from.

So if you are entering an expense, open your cash or checking account that you 
are using to pay the expense, and enter it there.

If you are entering receipt of money, open the relevant income account and 
enter the transaction showing where the money went. (cash/checking/undeposited 
funds, etc.)

You can enter a transaction into any account, but by sticking to this workflow 
you can eliminate lots of confusion. You can also use the General Journal but 
that too can introduce confusion if you aren’t careful.

I’d also highly recommend turning on Double Line mode and Transaction Journal 
under the View Menu. This will show all information for the transaction at all 
times and will help you to learn what GnuCash is doing as well as get a handle 
on double-entry accounting. (it will also help if you use Formal Accounting 
labels, which will make all accounts show the debit/credit columns rather than 
various labels which depend on account type)

Regards,
Adrien

> On Feb 11, 2019, at 11:13 AM, Gareth Davies via gnucash-user 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Windows 10, GC v 3.2.
> 
> 
> 
> Help.
> 
> 
> 
> Hi, I am having a problem trying to get an Account in Assets to
> automatically decrease or increase when I update and income or expense under
> a different heading.
> 
> 
> 
> I have tried setting it up, but it doesn't seem to work.
> 
> 
> 
> Gareth


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Re: [GNC] Version 3.4 Mac OS - intermittent fault with transaction editing popup

2019-02-11 Thread Adrien Monteleone
All context menus for me on a Mac have a ‘lag’ or delay on some or all items in 
the menu. At most this lasts about 2 seconds. In most cases it is only one menu 
entry (consistently a ‘delete’ variant) that doesn’t seem to want to be 
highlighted while the others are all responsive right away. I haven’t had to 
move the mouse off the menu, I just move up and down and it eventually ‘wakes 
up.’

Not sure if that is related.

Regards,
Adrien

> 
> That’s the one!
> 
> I’m having great trouble reproducing it this afternoon, and hadn’t discovered 
> the move-the-pointer trick on the inert popup.
> 
> But I have discovered that moving the cursor just outside the top of an 
> active popup (i.e. one which does highlight the options) may make it inert 
> when the cursor is brought back in.
> 
> Michael

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Re: [GNC] Backup recovery

2019-02-11 Thread Adrien Monteleone
Yes, if you just launch GnuCash from its launcher it will open the last file 
you had open when you did a ’Save’ and ‘Quit’.

But apparently, you intentionally at one point opened a backup file instead of 
the current working file, twice. (each time a different backup file)

You normally do *not* want to see any dates in the name of the currently open 
file. (unless you intentionally put that in the file name, such as the year if 
you open new files each year)

If you have a file open and there is a GnuCash generated date in the file name 
(like what you’ve shown previously, I can’t see the attachments either) then 
you very likely have a mess on your hands.

You’ll need to figure out which file is the ‘most correct one’ and contains the 
*most* transactions that you expect to be there. If you find another file with 
transactions you thought to be missing, you can open them side-by-side and 
copy/paste into the ‘most correct’ file. (Business Feature transactions will 
have to be done manually) Then I’d do a Save As on the ‘most correct’ file to 
reset the filename to something simple without the date—e.g., ‘mybook.gnucash’ 
When you are trying to figure this out, be sure to set your file manager to 
show last access date for each file. That will be eye opening. I’d suspect the 
last access date of mybook.gnucash to be on or before the last GnuCash 
generated date in the file name you are working in.

When you are confident you have everything straight, then delete ALL other 
files in the folder leaving only mybook.gnucash.

Do a backup to BackBlaze manually and make sure older backups are erased. (so 
you don’t accidentally restore one of the incomplete ‘messy’ files in the 
future)

Finally, don’t open any files with a GnuCash generated date again, unless you 
are trying to resolve an issue and don’t enter ANY transactions into that file. 
Only open such files for inspection and research. Enter transactions only in 
the ‘mybook.gnucash’ file.

Regards,
Adrien


> On Feb 11, 2019, at 7:24 AM, Finbar Mahon  wrote:
> 
> Wow, this is getting (more) complicated -
> 
> You said -
> 
> [When Gnucash starts, it *normally* opens the file that was open when you 
> shutdown last time around,
> 
> so it is fairly easy to get the wrong one by mistake if you've been digging 
> in the folder.]
> 
> I just booted up GNUcash without any 'digging' and got  -
> 
> On the bottom of the screen.
> 
> which follows your information, as the 'second' file? right ? so, I go to 
> file>open and I get -
> 
> etc., etc. None of which have the date that is on the open GNUcash file. 
> Maybe it is one of the files marked 'wed'? but the dates don't match.
> 
> So I look further down the list of files under file > open and I finally come 
> to -
> 
> The only file on these two grabs which fits your name criteria is the very 
> first one above but the date is almost a year ago, and none of the others in 
> the second grab seem to fit the criteria.
> 
> :-( I am truly sorry for the long sequence of q but I am accustomed to 
> assuming the file I last used opens again after I 'save' and 'quit'
> 
> Thank you very much for your patience.
> 
> Finbar


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Re: [GNC] accrual of property tax payments

2019-02-11 Thread Adrien Monteleone
You should speak with a local CPA, but I’d posit that if you receive a bill for 
the full amount, then the taxes are all for one year and belong in that year. 
You are simply being allowed to pay the bill in installments but it is 
otherwise fully owed.

There might be a hitch if the bill received in 2018 was for 2019 and you were 
pre-paying half of it. But that is just a posting date adjustment. (which might 
necessitate the use of a 'pre-paid expenses' asset account as a temporary 
intermediary)

But if your CPA says you need to recognize only the quarterly payments as 
expenses when they were actually paid then:


Method 1:
=

Creating 4 separate bills with their own future posting dates as Liz suggested.


Method 2:
=

Continue as you are now, but create an adjusting transaction at the end of the 
year(or even right away) reversing the second half of the expense to an 
“Accrued Expenses” account. (sits under Liabilities) When you make your future 
February and May payments, re-expense those amounts.



There might be some 3rd method using an intermediate account, but I can’t seem 
to figure out where it would go in the tree.

It isn’t a pre-paid expense, so Assets is out.
It isn’t a contra-expense because that would cancel itself out.
It isn’t a liability because that would also cancel itself out.
It isn’t revenue, so Income is out.
It doesn’t belong in Equity, though I suppose you could use that and understand 
it is a ‘virtual account’.

Really, if you need to recognize this on a cash basis, you shouldn’t be using 
the Business Features for this. Instead use manual transactions or scheduled 
transactions on the dates you make the payments. The Business Features are for 
accounting on an accrual basis.

Regards,
Adrien


> On Feb 10, 2019, at 11:49 AM, Keith Bellairs  wrote:
> 
> My property tax is payable in 4 installments -- August, November, February,
> and May. I have tried to set this up with my town as the vendor and 4
> payments.
> 
> When I ran my income statement for last year, I see that the future
> liabilities have been posted with the date that the bill was posted, not
> the date that the bill is due. So all of my 2019 payments show as tax
> expense in 2018.
> 
> Is there a way to have the vendor bills show up dated with the due date
> instead of the date posted?
> 
> Keith


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[GNC] Problem after upgrade from 2.6.14 to 3.x, bookings of an account are cut off

2019-02-11 Thread Paneologist via gnucash-user
Hello,
does anyone have suggestions how to trace the fault further?
even if I launch gnucash with "gnucash --log "=debug" --log
"gnc.backend.dbi=debug" --log "qof=debug" --log "gnc=debug", I do not get
anything on STDOUT or STDERR..
but first of all the problem:
in the account/bookings view gnucash shows me only entries until a specific
date. all newer and newly created bookings are not being shown.
But there are bookings in the MySQL (respecitvely MariaDB) databases. I see
there all corresponding transactions and splits.
the corresponding bookings in the other accounts are shown.

I migrated to 3.x by exporting the book into xml, but in this file(s) the
contents are already missing.

I have a backup of the database (which worked fine until gnucash 2.6.14. But
if I open that database using gnucash 3.3 or 3.4 those data are not shown.

currently:
Version: 3.4
Build ID: 3.4+ (2018-12-30)
Finance::Quote: 1.47

using the command-line option --debug doesn't show any database related
information or exceptions.

Thank you

Paul Neuwirth




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Re: [GNC] UK VAT Flat Rate Scheme

2019-02-11 Thread Adrien Monteleone
I’ll caveat that I’m not in a VAT territory, but this is how I’d approach it:

Method 1:
=

Set your tax rate at 20% linked to a VAT Payable account.

Write your invoice as taxable with the appropriate rate just defined.

When you remit your payment to the government add a split for your own profit.

You can do that manually, or set up a scheduled transaction using variables.

You can create the SX template to ask for the current liability amount set to 
some variable say ‘vat_collected'. (no way yet to query the account 
unfortunately)
Set the payment split amount to: vat_collected * .775 

(15.5/20 = .775)

Set the profit split amount to: vat_collected * .225

Your SX reminder should be set to fire according to the schedule you make your 
payments.  (monthly, quarterly, etc.)

When the SX fires, you’ll be prompted for the vat_collected amount and then it 
will do the math for the splits and then you can approve the transaction.

Method 2:
=

Alternatively, if you need to recognize this income right away, then simply 
enter a transaction for .225 of the VAT collected balanced between a debit to 
the tax liability account and your ‘other revenue' account. Unfortunately, 
there is not yet a basic ’template transaction’ feature to make this easier and 
using a SX really won’t work because you can’t get it to fire on command. (only 
by a particular date with/out recurrence)

Method 3:
=

It *might* be possible to set up two rates, one at 15.5% and another at 0.5% 
and link the 0.5% to the ‘other revenue’ account, but I have not tested this. 
Revenue accounts may not be offered as options when setting up tax rates, and 
the invoice might list both rates separately, which probably isn’t allowed. 
You’ll have to play around with that to see if it works for you. Doing it this 
way would eliminate the need for additional transactions moving the vendor 
compensation amount from liability to revenue and is probably the cleanest 
option if it works.

Regards,
Adrien

> On Feb 10, 2019, at 12:38 PM, Bumbling Amateur  wrote:
> 
> I've read a couple of previously posted topics on this subject stretching
> back years but haven't found an explanation of exactly how to successfully
> manage the UK's VAT Flat Rate Scheme (FRS) from within gnucash. Here we are
> in 2019, can anyone share their method?
> 
> In summary when in the VAT Flat Rate Scheme one adds 20% to sales to create
> an invoice. Then one calculates 15.5% of sales which is paid to the
> government. The difference between the 20% invoiced and the 15.5% paid out
> is profit for the business ie
> 
> Sales: £1000
> VAT added to sales invoice @ 20% = £200
> Invoiced amount: £1200
> VAT @ 15.5% owed to government = £155
> Profit for business = 200-155 = £45
> 
> Thanks for any help, I'm really looking forward to a neat solution!

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[GNC] Problem with Splits

2019-02-11 Thread Gareth Davies via gnucash-user
 

 

From: Gareth Davies [mailto:gareth.davie...@ntlworld.com] 
Sent: 11 February 2019 11:54
To: 'gnucash-user@gnucash.org' 
Subject: Problem with Splits

 

Windows 10, GC v 3.2.

 

Help.

 

Hi, I am having a problem trying to get an Account in Assets to
automatically decrease or increase when I update and income or expense under
a different heading.

 

I have tried setting it up, but it doesn't seem to work.

 

Gareth

 

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Re: [GNC] Version 3.4 Mac OS - intermittent fault with transaction editing popup

2019-02-11 Thread Michael Hendry
> On 11 Feb 2019, at 15:07, John Ralls  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>> On Feb 11, 2019, at 3:27 AM, Michael Hendry  wrote:
>> 
>> This came to my notice when trying to examine a number of Split Transactions.
>> 
>> I selected the first transaction and right-clicked to bring up the menu, but 
>> when I clicked Split Transaction nothing happened.
>> 
>> I tried one or two other transactions, and sometimes the popup menu options 
>> work and sometimes not.
>> 
>> After trying other transactions the first one sometimes works, sometimes not.
>> 
>> I haven’t been able to work out a way of producing this consistently.
>> 
>> Is this a known issue?
> 
> Maybe. If it's the one I know about the menu item isn't highlighted and 
> moving the pointer up and down the menu doesn't have any visual effect. Move 
> the pointer out of the menu and back in and the items highlight and 
> everything works as it should.
> 
> Regards,
> John Ralls
> 

That’s the one!

I’m having great trouble reproducing it this afternoon, and hadn’t discovered 
the move-the-pointer trick on the inert popup.

But I have discovered that moving the cursor just outside the top of an active 
popup (i.e. one which does highlight the options) may make it inert when the 
cursor is brought back in.

Michael

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Re: [GNC] GNUCash fails to start on Windows 10 after windows update

2019-02-11 Thread Larry Long
 Interesting!  
I am running GC v3.4 on Window 10 Home and updated to 1809 (Build 17763.292) a 
couple of days ago.  
GnuCash continues to run without any problem.
Larry

> Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2019 08:54:05 -0600 (CST)> From: Robert 
> 
> To: gnucash-user@gnucash.org
> Subject: Re: [GNC] GNUCash fails to start on Windows 10 after windows 
> update> Message-ID: <1549810445196-0.p...@n4.nabble.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> 
> I have the exact same problem. Trace files are empty and compatibility 
> mode does not help.> This is a real blocker - I don't have access to my 
> financial data anymore. 
> I hope there will be a solution for this issue soon!> 
> Robert
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Re: [GNC] Backup recovery

2019-02-11 Thread Maf. King
Hi Finbar.

Comments in-line below...

On Monday, 11 February 2019 13:24:32 GMT Finbar Mahon wrote:
> Wow, this is getting (more) complicated -
> 
> You said -
> 
> [When Gnucash starts, it *normally* opens the file that was open when
> you shutdown last time around,
> 
> so it is fairly easy to get the wrong one by mistake if you've been
> digging in the folder.]
> 
> I just booted up GNUcash without any 'digging' and got  -
> 
> On the bottom of the screen.
> 
> which follows your information, as the 'second' file? right ? 

The file you have opened was originally an auto-backup of the file you called 
"GNU 5 Feb 2018 ", this backup was made after you hit Save on 5th March 2018 
at 17.16

> so, I go
> to file>open and I get -
> 
> etc., etc. None of which have the date that is on the open GNUcash file.
> Maybe it is one of the files marked 'wed'? but the dates don't match.
> 

those 2 *.log files suggest that you were editing a different "auto backup", 
one taken originally on 1st March 2018 at 12:42.  Seems you opened or that file 
on 6th Feb this year, at around 16.15.  But the log files are not your data, so 
don't worry too much about them.

> So I look further down the list of files under file > open and I finally
> come to -
> 
> The only file on these two grabs which fits your name criteria is the
> very first one above but the date is almost a year ago, and none of the
> others in the second grab seem to fit the criteria.

Looks like there is a couple of auto-backups in the image 6.png that suggest 
you had the current file open for editing yesterday at around 14.14 or so.  the 
top entry in that image suggests you also had the current file open on saturday 
at 12.45 too.

the last file in the list shown in 6.png is the "lock" file that GC uses to 
help 
prevent openign the data twice - the "can't get lock" message we all see 
(occasionally) at start up - it should clear away on a clean shutdown.  Proves 
that the current file is in that folder somewhere...

> 
> :-( I am truly sorry for the long sequence of q but I am accustomed to
> 
> assuming the file I last used opens again after I 'save' and 'quit'
> 

GC does that by default (and always on a mac).  The problem is that at some 
point after 5th March last year, you told GC to open a different file.  And it 
has been doing so ever since.


I suggest that you might like to do a file->save as and use a new name without 
the datestamps, but it is clear from 5.png that you have worked with 2 files in 
the last week (possibly more?), so you may well be missing things from the 
current file that you thought you had done, but are in the "wrong" file.  
You'll 
need to look carefully at how the 2 files differ before tiding up.

Good luck,
Maf.



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Re: [GNC] Backup recovery

2019-02-11 Thread Colin Law
I can't see the images you presumable posted for some reason, but I
suspect what happened was that some time ago you, for some reason,
opened one of the backup files (so
whatever.gnucash.longdatestring.gnucash) and didn't then re-open or
save as the original file name.  Ever since then you have bee using
that file as your working file so it has been making backup files with
the the second timestamp added too.  Thus it may well be that the file
with the latest single date string is actually your latest data.

As for your comment that you are used to applications opening the last
used file, that is exactly what Gnucash has been doing.

Colin

On Mon, 11 Feb 2019 at 13:28, Finbar Mahon  wrote:
>
> Wow, this is getting (more) complicated -
>
> You said -
>
> [When Gnucash starts, it *normally* opens the file that was open when
> you shutdown last time around,
>
> so it is fairly easy to get the wrong one by mistake if you've been
> digging in the folder.]
>
> I just booted up GNUcash without any 'digging' and got  -
>
> On the bottom of the screen.
>
> which follows your information, as the 'second' file? right ? so, I go
> to file>open and I get -
>
> etc., etc. None of which have the date that is on the open GNUcash file.
> Maybe it is one of the files marked 'wed'? but the dates don't match.
>
> So I look further down the list of files under file > open and I finally
> come to -
>
> The only file on these two grabs which fits your name criteria is the
> very first one above but the date is almost a year ago, and none of the
> others in the second grab seem to fit the criteria.
>
> :-( I am truly sorry for the long sequence of q but I am accustomed to
> assuming the file I last used opens again after I 'save' and 'quit'
>
> Thank you very much for your patience.
>
> Finbar
>
> On 11/02/2019 12:08, Maf. King wrote:
> > On Monday, 11 February 2019 10:35:30 GMT you wrote:
> >> OK, thanks. So, it is 'normal' to be using it?
> >>
> > No, you risk data loss at the point of opening the backup.
> >
> > let me clarify.
> >
> > Your data file is called (for example) "mybooks.gnucash" All timestamps are
> > made up (but plausible)
> >
> > you enter a transaction and save and quit.  GC renames the old
> > "mybooks.gnucash" to "mybooks.gnucsh.201901022345.gnucash" and saves the
> > changes into a new file on disk called "mybooks.gnucash"
> >
> > you later open the backup (by mistake) and enter another transaction, save 
> > and
> > quit again.  GC creates the backup mybooks.gnucash.201901022345.gnucash.
> > 201901081256.gnucash
> >
> > GC now has 3 files in the folder:
> >
> > mybooks.gnucash<-- has the 1st edit in it
> > mybooks.gnucash.201901022345.gnucash  <-- has the 2nd edit in it
> > mybooks.gnucash.201901022345.gnucash.201901081256.gnucash <--no edits in it
> >
> > as you can see, by using a backup, you loose the previous edit session - go 
> > a
> > few edits down the road and you can be in proper mess with transactions
> > seeming to go missing from months ago!
> >
> > When Gnucash starts, it *normally* opens the file that was open when you 
> > shut
> > down last time around, so it is fairly easy to get the wrong one by mistake 
> > if
> > you've been digging in the folder.  On Windows & Linux, you can make GC open
> > with a different file by clicking... but not so on mac.  No matter what 
> > file you
> > try to open GC with, it WILL use the previous one. So if you've been looking
> > at backups, on a Mac you NEED to File->Open once GC is running.
> >
> > HTH,
> > Maf,
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [GNC] Backup recovery

2019-02-11 Thread Finbar Mahon

Wow, this is getting (more) complicated -

You said -

[When Gnucash starts, it *normally* opens the file that was open when 
you shutdown last time around,


so it is fairly easy to get the wrong one by mistake if you've been 
digging in the folder.]


I just booted up GNUcash without any 'digging' and got  -

On the bottom of the screen.

which follows your information, as the 'second' file? right ? so, I go 
to file>open and I get -


etc., etc. None of which have the date that is on the open GNUcash file. 
Maybe it is one of the files marked 'wed'? but the dates don't match.


So I look further down the list of files under file > open and I finally 
come to -


The only file on these two grabs which fits your name criteria is the 
very first one above but the date is almost a year ago, and none of the 
others in the second grab seem to fit the criteria.


:-( I am truly sorry for the long sequence of q but I am accustomed to 
assuming the file I last used opens again after I 'save' and 'quit'


Thank you very much for your patience.

Finbar

On 11/02/2019 12:08, Maf. King wrote:

On Monday, 11 February 2019 10:35:30 GMT you wrote:

OK, thanks. So, it is 'normal' to be using it?


No, you risk data loss at the point of opening the backup.

let me clarify.

Your data file is called (for example) "mybooks.gnucash" All timestamps are
made up (but plausible)

you enter a transaction and save and quit.  GC renames the old
"mybooks.gnucash" to "mybooks.gnucsh.201901022345.gnucash" and saves the
changes into a new file on disk called "mybooks.gnucash"

you later open the backup (by mistake) and enter another transaction, save and
quit again.  GC creates the backup mybooks.gnucash.201901022345.gnucash.
201901081256.gnucash

GC now has 3 files in the folder:

mybooks.gnucash<-- has the 1st edit in it
mybooks.gnucash.201901022345.gnucash  <-- has the 2nd edit in it
mybooks.gnucash.201901022345.gnucash.201901081256.gnucash <--no edits in it

as you can see, by using a backup, you loose the previous edit session - go a
few edits down the road and you can be in proper mess with transactions
seeming to go missing from months ago!

When Gnucash starts, it *normally* opens the file that was open when you shut
down last time around, so it is fairly easy to get the wrong one by mistake if
you've been digging in the folder.  On Windows & Linux, you can make GC open
with a different file by clicking... but not so on mac.  No matter what file you
try to open GC with, it WILL use the previous one. So if you've been looking
at backups, on a Mac you NEED to File->Open once GC is running.

HTH,
Maf,






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[GNC] Version 3.4 Mac OS - intermittent fault with transaction editing popup

2019-02-11 Thread Michael Hendry
This came to my notice when trying to examine a number of Split Transactions.

I selected the first transaction and right-clicked to bring up the menu, but 
when I clicked Split Transaction nothing happened.

I tried one or two other transactions, and sometimes the popup menu options 
work and sometimes not.

After trying other transactions the first one sometimes works, sometimes not.

I haven’t been able to work out a way of producing this consistently.

Is this a known issue?

Michael

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Re: [GNC] Backup recovery

2019-02-11 Thread Maf. King
On Monday, 11 February 2019 10:35:30 GMT you wrote:
> OK, thanks. So, it is 'normal' to be using it?
> 

No, you risk data loss at the point of opening the backup.

let me clarify.

Your data file is called (for example) "mybooks.gnucash" All timestamps are 
made up (but plausible)

you enter a transaction and save and quit.  GC renames the old 
"mybooks.gnucash" to "mybooks.gnucsh.201901022345.gnucash" and saves the 
changes into a new file on disk called "mybooks.gnucash"

you later open the backup (by mistake) and enter another transaction, save and 
quit again.  GC creates the backup mybooks.gnucash.201901022345.gnucash.
201901081256.gnucash

GC now has 3 files in the folder:

mybooks.gnucash<-- has the 1st edit in it
mybooks.gnucash.201901022345.gnucash  <-- has the 2nd edit in it
mybooks.gnucash.201901022345.gnucash.201901081256.gnucash <--no edits in it

as you can see, by using a backup, you loose the previous edit session - go a 
few edits down the road and you can be in proper mess with transactions 
seeming to go missing from months ago!

When Gnucash starts, it *normally* opens the file that was open when you shut 
down last time around, so it is fairly easy to get the wrong one by mistake if 
you've been digging in the folder.  On Windows & Linux, you can make GC open 
with a different file by clicking... but not so on mac.  No matter what file 
you 
try to open GC with, it WILL use the previous one. So if you've been looking 
at backups, on a Mac you NEED to File->Open once GC is running.

HTH,
Maf,





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Re: [GNC] Backup recovery

2019-02-11 Thread Finbar Mahon

OK, thanks. So, it is 'normal' to be using it?

Finbar

On 11/02/2019 10:28, Maf. King wrote:

On Monday, 11 February 2019 09:10:30 GMT Finbar Mahon wrote:



that I was working on another backup. I don't recall making one
specifically but it was probably part of a 'general' HD backup. However,
I have no idea how or when I restored it, if I ever did,



Finbar,

re-read the GC info about backups & filenames.  GC normally makes a backup each
time you save the data file - and puts the timestamp numbers on the end of the
"working" filename.  It is one of these auto-backups that you opened (actually,
a backup-of-a-backup, hence the 2x digit strings) not anything that you
backed-up/restored external to GC.

HTH,
Maf.




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Re: [GNC] Backup recovery

2019-02-11 Thread Maf. King
On Monday, 11 February 2019 09:10:30 GMT Finbar Mahon wrote:


> that I was working on another backup. I don't recall making one
> specifically but it was probably part of a 'general' HD backup. However,
> I have no idea how or when I restored it, if I ever did, 



Finbar,

re-read the GC info about backups & filenames.  GC normally makes a backup each 
time you save the data file - and puts the timestamp numbers on the end of the 
"working" filename.  It is one of these auto-backups that you opened (actually, 
a backup-of-a-backup, hence the 2x digit strings) not anything that you 
backed-up/restored external to GC.

HTH,
Maf.



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Re: [GNC] Backup recovery

2019-02-11 Thread Finbar Mahon

Yes, I appreciate the comment.

In my original post I mentioned that I was testing out an app called 
backblaze, an automatic backup to the the cloud. I asked where and how I 
would find the GNU backups, since the folder where GNU stuff is saved is 
full of files, and would have been backed up by backblaze it its 
entirity.. I got the answer(s) and the link to the manual. It was only 
then that I discovered, after I asked another question about the file 
name, that I was working on another backup. I don't recall making one 
specifically but it was probably part of a 'general' HD backup. However, 
I have no idea how or when I restored it, if I ever did, I have not had 
any reason to restore any files.


As you so rightly pointed out I may have fd up, thanks.

I asked, in effect if the version that is in the backblaze app backup 
folder is a complete backup up to the 8 Feb, or is it just an update of 
the March 5 2018 file? If it is a 'catch-up' then is that ok?


Sorry for any confusion, it is not deliberate.

Thanks again, Finbar

On 10/02/2019 16:23, David T. wrote:

I don’t know. What is backblaze?

Based on the info in the FAQ to which I referred, it appears that on Feb 8, 
2019, you opened a backup copy of “GNU 5 Feb 2018”, which itself was made on 
March 5, 2018, made some changes, and saved from that backup. I don’t know your 
workflow or immediate purpose for doing that; in my situation, if I had opened 
a backup file from 11 months ago and made changes to that file which I then 
saved, I would most likely have f**ked up. YMMV.

David


On Feb 10, 2019, at 8:00 PM, Finbar Mahon  wrote:

Thanks for that, I probably did, but not (yet) in backblaze, does that matter?

Finbar

On 09/02/2019 12:59, D wrote:

That file name indicates that you opened, and saved, a backup of your main data 
file. You might not have intended to do this.

See 
https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/FAQ#Q:_Why_is_my_file_name_getting_longer_and_longer.3F

David

On February 9, 2019, at 5:15 PM, Finbar Mahon  wrote:

Thanks, I read the guide and was a bit confused when backblaze showed
the most recent save was yesterday at 3.55pm but with two dates/times of -


GNU 5 Feb 2018 .gnucash.20180305171639.gnucash.20190208155508.gnucash<<

Is the second date from the left [20180305171639] the date the file was
created originally, and the first one [GNU 5 Feb 2018] the file name  ?

Not critical as the backblaze file is the last save before I closed gnucash.

Finbar



On 08/02/2019 22:56, David Cousens wrote:

Finbar,

The directory with your data file will also contain log files  and backup
files.

See https://www.gnucash.org/docs/v3/C/gnucash-guide/basics-backup1.html for
details

David Cousens



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