Re: Hosts MAC address available from within Foundation?

2007-03-20 Thread Chris Vetter
On 2007-03-20 19:22:00 +0100 Michael Hopkins 
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Is there some part of the Foundation API that lets me unambiguously 
discover

the MAC address of the host running the application?


No, but you can use getaddrinfo(3) to obtain a socket address 
structure, then loop through each entry and check whether it's 
AF_LINK.


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Re: Problem with SVN checkout

2006-12-24 Thread Chris Vetter
On 2006-12-24 13:20:40 +0100 Richard Frith-Macdonald 
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[...]
It's moved into /svn/gnustep/obsolete, but that didn't change the 
'svn:externals' property.

That should be fixed now ... please try again.


You, works again, thanks.

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Problem with SVN checkout

2006-12-24 Thread Chris Vetter

Hi,

since this morning I get a weird error message while checking out SVN:

  Fetching external item into 'dev-apps/...'
  External at revision 24235.

  Fetching external item into 'tests/...'
  External at revision 24235.

No problem here, I get all modules from dev-apps and tests, but then I 
get


  Fetching external item into 'dev-libs/db'
  External at revision 24235.

  Fetching external item into 'dev-libs/extensions'
  svn: REPORT request failed on '/svn/gnustep/!svn/vcc/default'
  svn: Cannot replace a directory from within

???

I renamed dev-libs and tried to re-get the whole 'tree,' it correctly 
checks out the 'db' module but then I get a message, that 'extensions' 
doesn't exist (on the server side).


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Latest changes to NSImage(?)

2006-11-19 Thread Chris Vetter

Hello,

I guess something went wrong with the latest changes to NSImage (I 
guess) -- see attachment. It kind of shows GNUMail's application 
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Re: New developers

2006-11-15 Thread Chris Vetter

On 2006-11-13 16:13:33 +0100 Adam Fedor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
[...]
There's a lot more I've failed to mention in the past, but I'll try 
to keep 
up from now on...


Just wondering...

I got a confirmation mail from Jonas Jacobson from FSF on 9/19 about 
my assigning NSNetServices to GNUstep -- but I still haven't received 
any papers to actually sign. How long does that usually take?


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Latest checkout of SVN breaks due to bugs in NSScrollView

2006-09-22 Thread Chris Vetter

--- NSScrollView.m.ORG  Fri Sep 22 15:24:28 2006
+++ NSScrollView.m  Fri Sep 22 15:25:01 2006
@@ -951,11 +951,11 @@
break;

   case NSBezelBorder:
-   [[GSTheme theme] drawGrayBezel: _bounds : rect];
+   [[GSTheme theme] drawGrayBezel: _bounds withClip: rect];
break;

   case NSGrooveBorder:
-   [[GSTheme theme] drawGroove: _bounds : rect];
+   [[GSTheme theme] drawGroove: _bounds withClip: rect];
break;
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configuration 'variables'

2006-09-22 Thread Chris Vetter

Hi,

I was wondering whether it wouldn't make sense to make all the 
HAVE_xyz variables available that are defined during installation of 
GNUstep. That would make it easier to program without having to check 
first (again) whether GNUstep is compiled with, for example, pthread 
or libxml support.


Since -make, -base and -gui already check for a whole slew of 
'features' why not store those in /Library/.../base.make and 
.../gui.make (or somewhere else) as well?


That would make the need of writing another configure script that 
checks for the same features again, or tons of ifeq(...) in 
GNUmakefile(s) obsolete.


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Re: Advertisement for gnustep

2006-09-12 Thread Chris Vetter
On 2006-09-12 13:38:40 +0200 Gürkan Sengün <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Indeed, especially if it looks like something I am used to, say
> NeXTSTEP/OPENSTEP, Windows or Mac OS X. Please pretty please,
> don't make new themes, new looks, another "we are gnome, we
> are cool", "we are KDE, we are new", "whatever new thing
> that is just ugly".

You're absolutely right, however that is one of the major drawbacks for GNUstep 
-- that it DOESN'T look like KDE, GNOME or XFCE.

Or should I say "doesn't try to imitate Windows" ???

Most people are USED to the Windows look and feel, they are NOT used (anymore) 
to the look of NeXT (or OSX for that matter).

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Re: Advertisement for gnustep

2006-09-10 Thread Chris Vetter
On 2006-09-10 14:33:22 +0200 Philippe C.D. Robert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Personally I would integrate Etoilé into GNUstep (granted the authors  
> agree), update the GNUstep website to reflect this new "GNUstep  paradigm"  
> ("GNUstep" being a GNU desktop for X11 based Unices) and  then advertise this 
> as "GNUstep Alpha" or so (the frameworks/ libraries can still be used as 
> cross-platform API, of course).

Sorry to probably p*ss some of Etoile's developers off, but though Etoile has 
some cool ideas (and some of those even already implemented) it is further away 
from being a desktop environment than GWorkspace.

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Re: Advertisement for gnustep

2006-09-10 Thread Chris Vetter
On 2006-09-10 07:30:15 +0200 Patrick McFarland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:

On Sunday 10 September 2006 00:21, Adam Fedor wrote:

RMS has offered to put something on the gnu.org home page about
GNUstep.  Any ideas what we should say or ask for? I had mentioned 
that

we are trying to organize a desktop.
Honestly, I'd ask him to save the offer for maybe another few years. 
Advertising for something that doesn't exist and has a strong chance 
of not 
existing is stupid, and will only sour relations with potential users.


You are right in assuming that people with a potential interest in 
looking for a GNUstep-based *desktop*environment* would be pretty 
pissed if there was an ad for 'vaporware' -- however, you *should* 
keep in mind that originally GNUstep was supposed to be the 
development (and desktop?) environment of choice for the GNU operating 
system...


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Re: Removing all remaining distinction between shared, debug, profile and static libs/executables

2006-09-08 Thread Chris Vetter
On 2006-09-08 13:19:54 +0200 Nicola Pero 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Please try again now ... which_lib is gone!! :-)
Works for me anyway.


Confirmed. Works again.
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Re: Removing all remaining distinction between shared, debug, profile and static libs/executables

2006-09-08 Thread Chris Vetter
On 2006-09-08 12:39:11 +0200 Nicola Pero 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Sorry about that ... I'll start to do a bit of simplification now and 
make

sure I test building gnustep-base properly. :-)


No problem.

It's not just base, basically all .../Library/Makefile/Instance/*.make 
files are 'involved'


I tried to 'make debug=no profile=no shared=yes' which didn't help 
either (same message) but when I started to edit the above mentioned 
xyz.make files (eg. library.make, application.make and so on) and 
removed the lines containing


debug=$(debug) profile=$(profile) shared=$(shared)  \

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Re: Removing all remaining distinction between shared, debug, profile and static libs/executables

2006-09-08 Thread Chris Vetter

Hi,

I'm not sure if the following problem relates to this clean-up, but 
after running a checkout, building and installing -make, I now get


  Making all for library libgnustep-base...
   Linking library libgnustep-base ...
  gcc41: debug=: No such file or directory
  gcc41: profile=: No such file or directory
  gmake[1]: Leaving directory 
`/usr/local/SOURCE/GNUstep/Repos/gnustep/core/base/Source'

  Making all in SSL...
  gmake[1]: Entering directory 
`/usr/local/SOURCE/GNUstep/Repos/gnustep/core/base/SSL'

  Making all for bundle SSL...
   Linking bundle SSL ...
  gcc41: debug=: No such file or directory
  gcc41: profile=: No such file or directory
  gmake[2]: *** [SSL.bundle/./SSL] Error 1
  gmake[1]: *** [SSL.all.bundle.variables] Error 2
  gmake[1]: Leaving directory 
`/usr/local/SOURCE/GNUstep/Repos/gnustep/core/base/SSL'

  gmake: *** [internal-all] Error 2

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Re: GUI/Gorm code freeze

2006-08-29 Thread Chris Vetter
On 2006-08-29 14:03:36 +0200 Quentin Mathé <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> May be the Summer of Code 2006 page which lists most of missing  classes. 
> There is a link on the wiki front page:  mediawiki.gnustep.org/index.php/Summer_Of_Code_2006>

Check the history of that page ;-)

But that's not exactly what I had/have in mind. I was more thinking of an 
official
'list of classes that  want to have implemented' to which people can set 
their
name as a 'I will do/implement that.'

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Re: The need for an official GNUstep desktop

2006-08-27 Thread Chris Vetter
On 2006-08-27 22:35:37 +0200 Nicolas Roard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:

[...]

In fact... I'm starting more and more to think that GNUstep, instead
of trying to be a jack of all trades -- I mean, it's a programming
toolkit, no, a development environment with RAD, no, a web application
server, no, a desktop with a filemanager... etc. -- should "split"
into its sub projects ("technically" not, perhaps, but "publically"
yes).

[...]

I am aware that I do not have much say in this issue, but nevertheless 
I think Nicolas is absolutely right here.


As Greg points out, GNUstep CAN be both, but as Saso indicates, 
GNUstep is first and foremost a development framework.


However, the above has some merit -- why not 'split' GNUstep in two 
_official_ parts (and I think that is what Greg had in mind)

a) GNUstep Core -- the development framework, as it is right now
b) GNUstep Desktop -- well, the desktop itself.

The advantage would be that man-power can be pooled. So instead of 
several people trying to re-invent the wheel, they will focus on ONE 
(hopefully) perfect desktop, instead of several, and instead of trying 
to figure out work-arounds, fixes will float back into GNUstep-Core.


Another advantage, as already pointed out by Greg, would be 
_coordination_ which currently IS missing with the development of 
Etoile and GWorkspace (sorry to say that). Not to mention the ones 
that never meet the light of day err are released into the public due 
to lack of man-power...


Plus, since it would be an official desktop, the source could (or 
should) be located in the same SVN as GNUstep (Core), so it will be 
much easier to get to it. Right now, you will have to KNOW where to 
get GNUstep, Etoile, etc. Having a complete development and desktop 
environment downloadable from ONE location, would be a tremendous 
advantage.


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Re: GUI/Gorm code freeze

2006-08-26 Thread Chris Vetter
On 2006-08-26 18:27:12 +0200 Gregory John Casamento 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
This would make a lot of sense although... I thought we already 
had a 
list like that here:

https://savannah.gnu.org/task/?group_id=99
It would be better to track this as a set of tasks so that the 
process is 
less ad-hoc.


Ah, yes, I thought I remembered having seen it but couldn't find it 
anymore. Cool. At least the Wiki should link to it.


However that brings me to another question that may look like 
flame-bait...


Let's say there's a framework that implements one or more 'wanted' 
classes but are licensed under, say, BSDL.
Would it be permissible to add those classes to GNUstep (since it's 
LGPL) or would those classes have to be 'handed over' to FSF, changing 
the license in the process?
And what if the author doesn't want to change the original license but 
adds a section that additionally puts the code under LGPL (that is, as 
a dual license) provided / as long as the code is used in GNUstep?


I honestly do not know, but would like to...

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Re: GUI/Gorm code freeze

2006-08-26 Thread Chris Vetter
On 2006-08-26 14:32:02 +0200 Gregory John Casamento 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
The code in gui and Gorm is frozen in preparation for the release.   
Only 
critical fixes to existing functionality should go in at this point.

I am attempting to stabilize Gorm and GUI for the release.


On a side note, wouldn't it make sense to keep a list of 'most wanted 
but still missing classes' for Foundation/AppKit around, say on Wiki, 
so people can 'subscribe' to implement these classes?


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Re: libgnustep-base split proposal

2006-03-10 Thread Chris Vetter

On 2006-02-26 03:12:10 +0100 Alex Perez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hear, Hear! This should be the default location. The other gnustep 
junk can 
still live in /usr/gnustep or wherever else, but the libs should be 
in 
*STANDARD FHS LOCATIONS*.


Uhm ... 'scuse me, this is all good and stuff, BUT...

... NOT everyone is using GNUstep on a system that adheres to a 
_LINUX_ specific "standard". Bash me, if you want, I just checked the 
FHS' web site, and as far as I can see, the only system this so called 
standard is targeting is Linux. Or rather the other way around, Linux 
is the only system 'using' the FHS. So calling the FHS a standard is a 
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Re: SystemPreferences

2006-03-10 Thread Chris Vetter

On 2006-02-24 11:07:47 +0100 Dennis Leeuw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Hi Chris,
Would this also mean the we need a /System/Library/Inspectors 
/System/Library/Finder /System/Library/TextConverters 
/System/Library/GSPrinting just no name a view others that are 
falling in the 
same category. Or am I somehow missing the point here?


I don't know ;-)
As I said, this was just a thought, and *I* could probably be mistaken.

The way I see it is that Bundles are part of an application, that 
could possibly be used by other applications as well. For example, 
think of a web browser that has a generic history manager in a bundle. 
An FTP client could re-use said bundle for it's download history. 
(Stupid example, but you get the idea).


OTOH, a preference pane of SystemPreferences is different, IMPOV. 
Sure, it is implemented as a bundle, but its only purpose is to 
provide a "service" in/to SystemPreferences and no other application 
_should_ use it (of course they could, but I do not see a point in 
doing so).


So, the only reason for storing preference panes NOT in .../Bundles/ 
is to distinguish between a 'real' bundle and a pref-pane. IMHO, this 
would make the Library directory look a bit 'cleaner.'


Question to the OSX users -- how/where does OSX store pref panes? 
Maybe we could/should just mimick their setup.


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Re: SystemPreferences

2006-03-01 Thread Chris Vetter

On 2006-02-25 17:18:51 +0100 Dennis Leeuw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Where as this does not. It should be part of 
SystemPreferences/Resources/.../Bundles
(where .../ is whatever is decided on to be the path to the 
"internal" 
Bundles dir (currently I think it is Resources/Library/Bundles... I 
can't 
check 'cause I am installing from scratch)


That would probably make even more sense. Something like
  /System/Applications/SystemPreferences/Resources/... (Gorm files, 
etc.)
  /System/Applications/SystemPreferences/Bundles/... (pref-panes in 
here)


In general, if there is .../Applications/Foobar.app/Bundles/ 
applications could use it to put bundles "away" so other applications 
can't use them. Though except for preference panes, I can't think of a 
real good reason why you would want to do that. Well, maybe if it's 
related to security.


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Typo in gui/NSScreen.m

2006-02-23 Thread Chris Vetter

Hi,

as the subject says, there is a typo in -visibleFrame.
Line 305 reads

  switch (NSInterfaceStyleForKey(@"NSIntefaceStyle", nil))

Obvioulsy this shoud read @"NSInterfaceStyle" instead.

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SystemPreferences

2006-02-23 Thread Chris Vetter

Hi,

just a thought, but wouldn't it make sense to store SystemPreference 
modules somewhere else instead of /System/Library/Bundles/ like 
/System/Library/Preferences/ or sth similar?


I know, technically, they ARE bundles, but then again, "logically" 
they are system preferences and IMHO should be set aside from regular 
bundles that are loaded during application/backend/whatever startup. 
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Re: libgnustep-base split proposal

2006-02-19 Thread Chris Vetter
On 2006-02-19 17:12:20 +0100 Helge Hess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:

[...]
 (though I have the impression that gstep-base still contains too 
much  GS* stuff).

[...]

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Re: libgnustep-base split proposal

2006-02-19 Thread Chris Vetter

On 2006-02-19 17:20:47 +0100 Jeremy Cowgar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

I think it's a great idea!


Excuse me, but WHY do you quote his entire mail just for SIX fucking 
words as a reply?


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Re: Latest changes to -base in SVN trunk

2006-02-18 Thread Chris Vetter
On 2006-02-18 21:54:22 +0100 Richard Frith-Macdonald 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Fixed ... thanks ... It didn't show up in my tests, but GNUMail  
triggered it 
every time so it was very easy to find.


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Latest changes to -base in SVN trunk

2006-02-18 Thread Chris Vetter

Hi,

this is to let you know that the latest changes (made yesterday, 
Friday) are breaking GNUMail.
I updated SVN, recompiled the whole enchilada, quit and restarted 
GNUMail -- which almost immediately core dumped.


I moved my Mailbox folder out of the way and restarted GNUMail. It 
rightfully bitched about the missing folder and quit.
So I re-created the Mailbox folder without ANY files in it -- GNUMail 
"worked."
Next, I touch'ed Inbox, Drafts, etc. so that I had empty files and 
restarted GNUMail -- core dump.


I then reverted back to the old version, that is, I reinstalled the 
current "daily-snapshot" of -base. Lo and behold, now GNUMail is 
working fine again -- with my old Mailbox folder.


Did anyone have similar experience with those changes? And if so, 
PLEASE double check them, as I do need NSStream, which isn't available 
in daily-snapshots...


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Patch for gsldap on FreeBSD

2006-02-13 Thread Chris Vetter

Hi,

FreeBSD doesn't have resolv, so GSLDAP won't link by default. The 
following patch of Makefile.preamble checks whether the host OS is 
FreeBSD and adds -lresolv to ADDITIONAL_LIB_DIRS if it isn't.


  --- Makefile.preamble.ORG   Sun Feb 12 12:12:29 2006
  +++ Makefile.preamble   Mon Feb 13 19:30:26 2006
  @@ -57,7 +57,11 @@
   #-lgnustep-xraw

   # Additional library directories the linker should search
  -ADDITIONAL_LIB_DIRS = -L../src/$(GNUSTEP_OBJ_DIR) 
-L$(GNUSTEP_SYSTEM_ROOT)/lib  -L/usr/local/lib -lldap -llber -lresolv
  +ADDITIONAL_LIB_DIRS = -L../src/$(GNUSTEP_OBJ_DIR) 
-L$(GNUSTEP_SYSTEM_ROOT)/lib  -L/usr/local/lib -lldap -llber

  +
  +ifneq ($(findstring freebsd, $(GNUSTEP_HOST_OS)), freebsd)
  +ADDITIONAL_LIB_DIRS +=-lresolv
  +endif

   #
   # Flags dealing with installing and uninstalling

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Re: gnustep-make readiness for gcc 4.1

2005-10-05 Thread Chris Vetter
On Wed, 5 Oct 2005 06:37:34 -0700 (PDT), Greg wrote:
> Has anyone tested gnustep-make with ObjC++ files?  Is it possible to
> simply have an ObjC++ file in the makefile and expect it to compile once
> we have gcc 4.1 changes into base/gui?

chuck:cbv :0> gmake
Making all for tool ObjC++Test...
gmake[1]: *** No rule to make target `shared_obj/Test.mm', needed by
`shared_obj/ObjC++Test'.  Stop.
gmake: *** [ObjC++Test.all.tool.variables] Error 2
chuck:cbv :2>

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Re: Errors when compiling with GCC 4.1

2005-10-05 Thread Chris Vetter

On Tue, 4 Oct 2005 17:47:59 -0700 (PDT), Greg wrote:
> Getting the following error when compiling with GCC 4.1 prerelease:
> GSAttributedString.m: In function cacheAttributes:
> GSAttributedString.m:130: error: cast to union type from type not present
> in union
> GSAttributedString.m:138: error: cast to union type from type not present
> in union

There's a ton of errors and warnings, especially about

  invalid conversion from 'unsigned char*' to 'const char*'

> GCC 4.1 is the version of the compiler which is supposed to have a
> working ObjC++ in it.  We need to be totally ready for this release. :)   

It is. I've been playing around with g++41 for a while now, and it seems to
indeed have a working ObjC++ -- though I only tested 'plain' ObjC, not with
GNUstep (see problems above).

If GNUstep can be readied for GCC 4.1 we can get WebKit... w00t 8-)

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Re: GNUstep bounty

2005-09-23 Thread Chris Vetter

On Fri, 23 Sep 2005 11:07:40 +0200, Fabien wrote:
> On 2005-09-23 09:33:43 +0200 Chris Vetter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Fri, 23 Sep 2005 08:48:17 +0200 Stefan wrote:
> > [...]
> >> p.s.: If you are really decided to give away money from the GNUstep 
> >> fund,
> >> then why not to use it for gaining more publicity to GNUstep too?
> > [...]
> Port WebCore to GNUstep / Window would gain a lot of publicity IMO

Well, I didn't write that, Stefan Urbanek did, but yes, that would certainly
get some attention.

Stefan Kleine-Stengemann (sp???) did a port and it was/is quite useful, at
least for playing around and testing -- I still have the source for a
rudimentary web browser around somewhere that is mostly working (that is,
for 'simple' pages (eg. those that do not require frames) -- though it
probably is rather outdated by now. Nevertheless a port of WebCore, combined
with a real browser based on that port and GNUstep certainly would get
GNUstep some reputation/recognition.

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Re: GNUstep bounty

2005-09-23 Thread Chris Vetter

On Fri, 23 Sep 2005 08:48:17 +0200 Stefan wrote:
[...]
> p.s.: If you are really decided to give away money from the GNUstep fund,
> then why not to use it for gaining more publicity to GNUstep too?
[...]

I second that.

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Re: gif and ungif libraries

2005-09-05 Thread Chris Vetter

On Mon, 5 Sep 2005 10:28:02, Riccardo wrote:
> Hello,
> could someone check if it is an easy work to make gnustep gui/back build 
> and link against "libgif" and not only "libungif" libraries too? Once, 
[...]

The problem I see here is that Window Maker currently links against
libungif.

So if you want GNUstep to use libgif AND want to run Window Maker, you'll
have a conflict...

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Re: Development machines

2005-07-28 Thread Chris Vetter
> --- Ursprüngliche Nachricht ---
> Von: Adam Fedor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> An: Developer GNUstep 
> Betreff: Development machines
On Wed, 27 Jul 2005 10:29:04, Adam Fedor wrote:
> 
> I'd like to put together a list of machines that people regularly 
> test/develop GNUstep on. These would be any machine you have regular 
[...]

x86 Architecture:
- FreeBSD 4.9
- FreeBSD 5.3
- FreeBSD 5.4
- Debian 3.0 (Woody)
- Windows XP
- OpenDarwin 7.2.1
- Solaris 7
- Solaris 9

(Ultra)SPARC:
- Solaris 7
- Solaris 9
- Solaris 10

I also have one x86 and one SUN each running Openstep for cross-checking.
At work, I may be able to check on OSX 10.3 and 10.4.

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Re: [OSX to FreeBSD port] what version of gcc to use with 5.4

2005-07-25 Thread Chris Vetter
On Fri, 22 Jul 2005 20:41:00 Thierry DELHAISE wrote:
> Hi the list,
[...]
> So, what version of gcc do you suggest me? Does some of U have  
> experience ?
[...]

I'm currently running

  chuck:cbv :0> uname -sr
  FreeBSD 5.4-RELEASE

with a 'stock' GCC 3.4.2 and haven't seen any problems so far.

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Re: 9 out of 10 geniuses prefer GNUstep!

2005-07-18 Thread Chris Vetter
> --- Ursprüngliche Nachricht ---
> Von: Patrick McFarland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> An: [EMAIL PROTECTED], discuss-gnustep@gnu.org,
> gnustep-dev@gnu.org
> Betreff: 9 out of 10 geniuses prefer GNUstep!
> Datum: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 08:04:49 -0400
[...]
> What do you think?

Excellent. Already use it as my default background.

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