Re: [Goanet]Santosh & S. Verses.
Santosh Hekelar writes: On Fri Aug 15, 2003 1:57 pm Joe Vaz wrote: Remember this: Even your friends Tariq, Marlon,Mervyn, Allwyn, or even Judas Escariot or Pontius Pilate do not believe you. They may deny Jesus, but will not claim that Jesus did not exist -- and that goes for your professor friend too, who fired up this debate (through the controversial link) just to ingratiate himself with you. Santosh writes: [I have many professor friends who believe me. For your kind information, I am a professor as well. I also know several priests who believe me. And 95% of distiguished members of the U.S. National Academy of Sciences do as well.] Hello Santosh: There are no doubts that you do not know what you are talking about. You must have strange Priest friends (if they are Christian at all) who believe your claim that Jesus Christ did not exist. Perhaps you need to go back and reconfirm your spurious version above, with your so-called priest friends who did not believe in Jesus existence, yet chose to become Priests. As for your many professor friends, I can understand that some come with their inherent fantasies and fantasized theories - however cynical those theories might be. I have known quite a few professors too (though most of them were intelligent men of high integrity), but that doesnt negate the fact that some join the rat race to create a fake name for themselves, on the basis of dubious claims. In the final analysis, its nothing but a rats race for cheap publicity. And I hope you arent telling us to believe all that you profess in your capacity as a professor. Your subject claim lacks credence or substance, and the rest of what you say is invariably subject to validation -- as in the case of your confusing and inaccurate data that baffled the New Rochelle students/audience. It appears that your knowledge of history does not extend to the era which Jesus Christ lived, consequently your claims that Christ did not exist. As for the rest of us let us take a break from discussing with the net jester --Chimbelcho of the civilized and free world -- who prides on impudent demeanor and cannot distinguish between 'blasphemy' and 'respect' for religion. Santosh writes: [I wish you would only speak for yourself. But you cannot help being a net-pope or net-mullah. I am yet to see you become a net-swami though. I doubt you respect people's belief in the caste system and idol worship.] Thank you. You can call me net-pope, net-mullah or net-swami, but as long as you speak gibberish, you can count on people to set the record straight. As for your belief/s in the caste system and idol worship, -- you are free to indulge in the above activities, at your hearts content. I will not dissuade you in your personal beliefs. Joe Vaz _ Are you a geek? Do gizmos make you grin? http://www.msn.co.in/Computing/Gizmos/ Click here! ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]Re: Fraudulent medical practitioners.
In a message dated 8/16/03 6:08:59 AM Pacific Daylight Time, EdgarStmartins writes: << << Hi, Never trust the Doctors they are butchers, u r better off going to the tailor. Moidekars are not mad after all. Joe. >> With due respect to Jose Colaco, Santosh and to our oncologist, Gilbert. I partially agree with the above wrt most doctors who are in my opinion equivalent to drug pushers and who are money conscious. They are so busy that they live in a world of their own. They are opinionated and consider themselves erudite. Note their language as they speak and write as if they are in a pulpit or on a pedestal. Please note that I am not referring to every doctor but to most. Very few have time for improving their general knowledge. The Democratic front runner is an exception. At twelve, they say, Christ debated with Doctors and Scribes. Today, Doctors have no time for debating and would rather pontificate. Aspirin for example has its origins in alternative medicine. Malaria found an initial cure in Peru and the Quinona Tree which was used to manufacture Quinine till synthetic drugs were introduced. Even today, I will venture to write that Quinine is more efficient as a cure than Chloroquine and nivaquine. Many plants have been known to cure mans ills. Amerindians cured the white man of his scurvy and our Goan Pundits cured many a Portuguese with herbal and ayurvedic portions when the only cure the European knew was bleeding a patient at the hands of a barber. I have just read a book by Josip Gabre on How I beat Cancer. He was told that he had papilliary transitional cell carcinoma Grade III/IV with the invasion of sub-mucosa and smoothe mussle. Bacillus Calmette Guerin was inserted into his bladder, he claims, and he ended up worse than before. He lost his bladder and was told that his cancer had spread. He cured himself with Taheebo Tea which is a tree from Chile.Could Gilbert explain the role of BCG in curing bladder cancer. Mr. Gabre claims that the BCG damaged irreversibly his bladder which had to be extracted. When Medics cannot cure a person, why should he not look for a cure in alternate medication or even in prayer and miracles? Doctors should admit the efficacity of herbal drugs and not ask for scientific proof of its operation. One is only interested in the cure before he can ask questions. When a glass, some cotton and a match was used to extract pain in a procedure call VENTOS when I was a kid, I never asked my grandmother proof of its efficacity as the pain was uppermost in my mind. I personally seek the advice of doctors before I drink some strange infusions. I do this as a last resort. Most doctors are frauds whose main objective is money and the interests of the patient are secondary. Finding an honest and conscientious doctor today is like finding a nugget of gold in the Mandovi. This is also true with those who practice alternative medicine. We live in a very strange world where the media and opinions play a strong influence on our minds. Edgar Martins ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]Re:
In a message dated 8/16/03 5:30:01 AM Pacific Daylight Time, EdgarStmartins writes: << << > > Blasphemy died more than 300 years ago in the civilized and free world. > Not really. People still continue to abuse other religions, even in this free and civilized world. -- Tariq Siddiqui [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Blasphemy has not died in the Islamic world. Any reference to a charlatan that is not acceptable to the Mullahs is tantamount to death. Note the case of a young illiterate boy called Masih who was accused of writing something derogatory against Mohammed the so-called prophet. He faced execution in Pakistan where the Christian minority is undergoing a similar treatment that Jews experienced under the holocaust. Massih, a Christian, it was discovered, was so illiterate that he could not write and he was accused of slandering Mohammed in written notes. This was done definitely by a Muslim to falsely accuse Massih who faced death. I am not certain of his fate and I think he was exhonorated due to external pressure and now lives in Europe. And then there was Salman Rushdie and the Bengali, Taslima Nasrin who also lives abroad. I suggest that Goans read a very interesting book entitled 'The Clash of Civilizations and the remaking of world order' by Samuel Huntington where he writes about the Clash of Islam with the other civilizations (Hindu and Christian). A very interesting analysis of civilizations and of the future. It is a wonder how perverted democracy is permitting Muslims to abuse Christ while living in the West. Christ is free for all to bash but please do not refer to our prophet. Today I mourn the death of a benefactor referred to as the vilest creature born to a black mother and who took refuge in Saudi Arabia where he was inaccessible to the World Court and a guest of the Saudi Family. He helped many a Goan to reach the shores of America and Britain. We should thank this animal. Edgar Martins >> ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]Re: [Goanet-news]IXTT: Roundup news... in Konkani
Dev borai koru, amchai konkani baxain khobor dadunk. Gregorio Gomes Borim - Goa --- ixtt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Madr Terezachea bhagevontkoronacho dobazo TV-icher > dakhoitole > > Vatikanantlea St Pedruchea Angnant Otubrache 19ver > Juanv Pual II Pap Saib > dobajik Mis bhettoitolo ani Madr Terezachem > bhagevont- koron kortolo. Hi > kariavoll 19ver sokallim 7.55 tem 10.30 vaztam > porian TV-icher dakhoitole, > ti sonvsar bhor pollevnk melltoli. Italian Radio ani > Televizanv Vatianachea > Televizanv Kendrachea sohokaran choloitole. > > Gai marpache bondek O. Bengalacho virodh > > Kendr sorkaran gaio marpacher bondi ghalpa khatir > sonsodechea chalu > odhivexonant videiok manddunk kelam tacher ostom > Bengalacho khor virodh asa > ani tem "rajki uskavnni" kortat, dekhun sogleamni > tea vidheiokacher nixedh > marcho mhonn ulo marla. Gaio marpacher bondi ghalear > desantle arthik > poristhiticher mar bostolo ani arthik luskonn > zatolem, toxench desant > chambddeachea utpadonacho vavr cholta taka proxn > upraslole mhonn davea > sorkaran dakoll kelam. Gaio marpacher bondi > ghalpacho hetu mhonnlear > desantlea lokachim monam uskavun aplea pokxak motam > mellun ghevnk oxem ostom > Bengalachea monzati Vikaa Montri Anisur Rahman > hannem sanglam. Bengalant Gai > marpa niontronn kaidea khal 14 vorsam voir zaloleam > gaiank marpak porvangi > asa. Kendrachean gai marpacher bondi ghalun ieta, > ponn rajeank to kaido > pallunk boll korunk zaina, karonn tem kam rajeacher > tharlolem asa, oxem > Montrean sanglem. > > Saddamacheam pattlavdarankd horpachi ievzonn > > Sadddam Husseinache kaimpattlavdar kheddeam ganvamni > lipun asat tankam > sampddavpak Amerikeche fouzen nove upai ghetleat. > Baghdad xharache > uttorechea ganvamni Saddamache monis aslolea > vattarant Amerikan fouzen > hol'lo korun ek meloani panch zavn zokhmi zale. > > Europant gormek lagun 100 mornnam > > Halinch disamni Europant gormi chodd vaddlea. > Britainant Agostache 10ver > 38.1 digri celsius zavn chodd gormecho dis zalo. > Bavarian xharant 40.4 digri > celsius gormi zali. Paris xharant gormi vaddlolean > 100 lok mela ani ek 3 > vorsanchem bhurgem motorantuch mele mhonn > khobreantlean gomlam. Fransachea > kaim vattaramni asloleam hospitalamni aircondtions > naslolean zanttea lokache > halaval zaleat mhonn sangtat. > > Asat tumi toear? > > Amchea xezareak ek famil asa. Avoi bapui, tanchi > kazari dhuv ani dogam > natram. Voros bhor tanchi zobor-xi zap aikunk ienam. > Khorem mhollear tim > ghorant asat mhonn legun khobor asonam. Ponn jen'nam > tancho Dubai aslolo > zanvuim aplea mavoddea portolo ten'nam nhoich tea > ghorachem ponn ak'khea > vaddeachem vatavoronn bodolta. Tannem haddlolo ek CD > player asa. Itlo kall > bhor tea CD playerak lagloli kolloi thoddeanch disam > bhitor tancho zanvuim > zoddoita. Sokallim utthtanch gitancho avaz aikunk > ieta ani tho-i zalear > boroch vhoddlean. Zo konn jemen bhormeta to legun > hea avazan zago zavpacho. > Ek dis sokallim fuddem uttlole kodden tanchea > playeracher vaztelem git > mhojea kanar sadlem. Hea gitant gaitolo gavpi kazar > zavnk sodhtoleank ani > tanchea avoibapaik ek xiddkavnni ditalo: "Kazar > mhollear ek moujecho khell > nhoi. Zo konn kazar zavnk fuddem sorta tannem aplem > panvl sitidan ghalunk > zai. Kazar mhollear mon'xacho fuddar ani ho fuddar > boro zatolo tor favo > titli toeari asunk nibel gorjechem." Aiz zaite bhav > ani bhoinnim aple khuxe > bhair vo dusro forsar korta dekhun hem zobabdarechem > panvl martat ani uprant > adarlole chukik lagun jivit bhor pochatap kaddttat > ani dukham golloitat. Aiz > Igorz Matechea tribunalant kitlexech logn moddni > magtale khottle (cases) > asat ani he khottle chodd promannan khuxe bhair logn > zaloleanche zavn asat. > Aiz zaitim avoi bapui apleam vaddloleam bhurgeank > veginuch ani uttavollin > logn korun soddunk sodhtat, odik korun jeam > avoibapaink cheddvam zolmol'lim > asat tankam dusreachea tabeant kelim mhonnttoch aple > toklevelo pez unno zalo > oxem somzotat ponn akrek fotoutat ani aplem ani > apleam bhurgeanchem jivit > riskar ghaltat. Toxench zaitim tornattim favo titli > toeari nastonam begobeg > kazar zavnk fuddem sortat ani aplea fuddarachi vatt > laitat. Osleo chuki > ghoddcheo nhoi mhonn bhorvanso dhorun fuddli > ghoddnni vachuk vachpeank ami > amontronn kortanv: > > Othra vorsanchem Sofia niktench baravi "science" > porikxek boslelem. Xikpant > tor tem ekdomuch huxar aslem. Apleak "distinction" > melltolem mhonn taka > purai khatri asli. "Distinction ailear hanv > dotorkechem xikop kortolem" ho > tacho anvddo tannem apleam ixtt-ixttinnink ugtto > kel'lo. Nikalak thodde dis > asat mhonnlear Sofiache "aunty"-n taka soirik > haddli. Ronny Gulfak kam > kortalo ani hozaramni zoddtalo. Tea bhair tachem > ghor tin mallianchem aslem. > Poile mallier tachi avoi ravtali. Bapui somplolo. > Dusre mallier tacho > vhoddlo bhav ravtalo, zalear tisre malli tachi asli. > Ronny kodden ek "maruti > esteam" gaddi ani ek "enfield motorc
[Goanet]Re: "Bogus" Therapies
Allwyn Carvalho wrote: > >What, in your opinion, makes western medicine any more scientific >than Chinese medicine and Ayurveda? > >To me, the "science" in medicine involves: > > * observation >* experimentation >* analysis >* documentation >* publishing of information >* open sharing of information >Actually, there *is* one more thing. An openness to change, and >openness to new ideas, fresh thinking. > Hi Allwyn: Let us keep it simple, and forget about what I think. Let 's only take into account what you regard as the criteria for something to be scientific. Let's also only concentrate on whether Chinese Medicine and Ayurveda are scientific, based on just three of your criteria - observation, experimentation and openness to change. The remaining criteria are not of unique or special significance to science. I would have included a few other much more important criteria that are unique to science, but let's not worry about them right now. Now here are summaries of the fundamental bases of Chinese Medicine and Ayurveda, excerpted from three different English review articles on them. "Chinese Medicine holds that the body's vital energy (chi or qi) circulates through channels, called meridians, that have branches connected to bodily organs and functions. Illness is attributed to imbalance or interruption of chi. Ancient practices such as acupuncture, Qigong, and the use of various herbs are claimed to restore balance." "Ayurveda's basic theory states that the body's functions are regulated by three "irreducible physiological principles" called doshas, whose Sanskrit names are vata (wind), pitta (bile), and kapha (phlegm)..Vata, for example, is said to "govern all bodily functions concerning movement" and to accumulate during cold, dry, windy weather..Ayurvedic proponents have claimed that the symptoms of disease are always related to the balance of the doshas, which can be determined by feeling the patient's wrist pulse." "Kundalini is the higher evolutionary force hidden within us that has the ability to unfold our spiritual potential. In its unawakened state, a mere fraction of its energy serves to uphold our normal psychophysical functioning. In its awakened state it reveals our capacity for cosmic consciousness, taking us beyond even what we could imagine. These evolutionary potentials exist as latent energy centers in the subtle body, the seven chakras, which kundalini activates. Chakra refers to a wheel or a moving circle of energies. The chakras are also important in ayurvedic healing, particularly relative to the prana and mind, which works through them. The chakras direct and guide the physical body from behind the nervous system." If you are right and Chinese Medicine and Ayurveda are scientific then the above statements should have been verified by actual observations and experiments - your first two criteria. So who has actually observed the meridians as depicted in the diagrams in all those books on Chinese Medicine? Who has successfully conducted an experiment to detect Chi flowing through these meridians, and to record its imbalance or interruption? Which Ayurvedic scientist has observed the kundalini or the seven chakras shown in the diagrams in various Hindu or new age spiritual books? Why do we not know of any experiments, described in the Atharva Veda, Atreya Samhita or other ayurvedic texts that determine how vata, pitta and kapha regulate the function of the brain, or the heart or the eye? > > People are actually turning to alternative medicine because they >believe is a safer alternative, in the long run, than western >medicine. > People may believe whatever they want. But without proper scientific tests we won't know that, will we? > >Maybe western medicine is not as much to blame as the *practice* of >western medicine, the quick shoot from the hip. If you are feeling >down, we got prosac, if you have a cold, we got antibiotics, if your >child has "attention deficiency", hey, we got drugs for that too. >(If you have a headache, chop off your testicles :) > This is a matter of greed or malpractice, not modern medicine. This has also become a much worse problem now with regard to alternative medical practitioners. They prescribe modern medical drugs without knowing anything about them, instead of their own nostrums, especially when they find out that their own treatments don't work. > >The practice of Chinese medicine and Ayurveda usually takes a more >holistic approach. The recognition of the patient A as an >individual, different from patient B with the same symptoms. > That is simply a slogan with no real meaning. It is also a cop out to avoid conducting properly controlled scientific clinical trials that involve comparisons across large groups of patients. > >Tell me where you stand. Are you totally against alternative >medicine? Why? > I am not against alternative medicine. I am against any treatment that has not been subjected to prope
[Goanet]Re: World-wide Goans set to celebrate World Goa Day
In the hope of derailing the ongoing religion debate on Goanet that seems to be going nowhere... First off George, many others besides myself, have observed your selfless devotion to improving the lot for Goans in Goa over the years from a cyber-perspective. So I don't want to belittle anything you and the others have achieved at Goa Sudharop. Kudos !!! You have raised valid points and I would like to add my comments. When you talk about "giving back to Goa" an incident comes to mind. While playing tennis last summer, I met a young adult with a Goan surname (go ahead, call me a racial profiler). I asked him if he was Goan. He denied it !! On further prodding he acknowledged that his parents were born in Goa. I don't see how some of us Goans could be giving anything back to Goa when we cannot acknowledge that Goa has given us anything. Let alone a good, cheap holiday. Secondly when you talk of charity - for most of us it is easier to just give the money to charity and forget about it. For eg. if the money goes to the Salesians, we know it will go to improve the lot for youth. etc, etc. It takes a lot of effort - time and energy to do more than just give money away. Of course charity is not determined by money alone - and most of us understand that. With regard to song and dance - that is what we do best, that is our culture. It is the culture portrayed by Goans in Goa and outside. It is for the song and dance that tourists ride the Santa Monica up-and-down the Mandovi, it is the song and dance at the annual Republic Day parades that represent Goa, it is for the song, dance & party atmosphere that tourists come to Goa. There are better/cleaner beaches the world over. Goans in Mumbai have congregated at song and dance for village feasts for decades to fund-raise for their respective villages back in Goa. Goans in Kuwait under the Goan Welfare Soceity have come together to fund-raise - song & dance included, to take care of abused and/or unfortunate Goan maids and other Goans working in Kuwait. The NY/NJ Goans are doing their part to fundraise to make the JMJ hospital in Porvorim, Goa a cardiac center. Goans in Toronto raise a helluva lot of money every year via their Viva Goa, Boat Cruise, X'Mas dances, etc.for the benefit of Goans. So most of the Goan events do involve a lot of fund-raising besides song and dance. So, can we congregate around song and dance and use the moment/day to do more for Goa ?? This I believe is what a feast day or festival or Statehood Day or Asmitai Dis or Liberation Day or Goa Day is for. To remind us of where we are from and how we got here. Of course, as is typically Goan, we cannot agree to even congregate in song and dance. There are many among us (some will resort to alter-egos to hide their identity) who will deny another among us the opportunity to rally Goenkars around a cause, whatever it may be. We have many "after-the-fact", "I-told-you-so" Goenkars !! There are many in Goa and in the cyber-world who have refused to participate and celebrate World Goa Day for their own reasons - most important of which - it does not go along with their agenda. Coming together is the most difficult thing for us. Rene (I don't even know him personally), the co-ordinator of World Goa Day, is only an individual. He/she could be called Joao, Jeromino, Maria or Lucy. It does not matter what his name is or who he is. Are we as a Goan people prepared to come together for anything other than to bicker. Can the G.O.A's (and various other Goan organizations/clubs) from Los Angeles to Toronto to Qatar to Kuwait and beyond come together for a single cause ?? Wishing the Goans in NY/NJ and LA a good time over the weekend and hoping we all make an effort to remember where we're from and how we got here and making sure, in the year ahead, we do something about making it better for those still in Goa. Best wishes - Bosco PS. For starters let's stop wasting our energies and intellect in a futile debate on religion. On Tue, 12 Aug 2003 18:22:41 -0400, Gilbert Lawrence <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Re: World-wide Goans set to celebrate World Goa Day Gilbert Lawrence Comments: Why do we ask these questions after the fact? When I raised these points in the spring - there was silence There is a lot of good cultural and academic information and human resources available if there were sufficient discussions on the GoaNet that there should be a varied program at these Goan /WGD functions. The NY City Goans have made a very good effort to bring Goan culture and academia into their two WGD functions. Those who would like some more Goan culture and academia are welcome - it is free (potluck) Saturday 16, at Hempstead Harbor Park!!! In two weeks, as part of the Sunday Presentation on Goan History and Culture series, I plan to present on the GoaNet "Beyond WGD 2003". This is a 'where do we go from here' article at the behest of Rene Barreto. That would be an opportunity for all (ani
[Goanet]Re: A tribute to late Rosario Rodrigues
On Sat, 16 Aug 2003 18:50:51 +0300, "ACC GENERAL - CYPRIANO <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>" wrote: Hi, Happened to read a tribute to Rosario Rodrigues by Joegoauk and I could not help myself without sending my contribution towards the same as I was also his fan right from my childhood days. I never used to miss any of his shows. To me he was simply GREAT. I think I may not be wrong if I say that he was a good writer, director, comedian, lyricist and singer as well (very rare songs). In his death Konkani stage has lost one of its pillars. May the departed soul rest in peace. These are the names of his shows which I have seen - putting in a poetry form. Cypriano Fernandes (Riyadh, K. S. A.) --- Ekech Ratri, Ami Fator, tuzo poilo dekhavo, Tea uprant, Patkin, Tem, Hindustani cheddvam, Frank Sinatra, Cheddvam anink chedde, he shows tunvem amkam kelet favo, Football Minguel, Surya, Aum Piso? Ekloch Tuzo, tambonastanam Patang varear uboit ravo Aum Vatt Chuklom, Ieunk Nam, Meenakshi, Fattim Paulo, Uzvadd Paloilo, Tum Aslo? ugddas azun monant asa jivo Amchem Ghor, Ghara Yea, Hanga To Etolo, Mojem Kitem Kortat? Ashram, Moje Uniemcho To, Ye Roste Mogache, Maka Jieunk Dieat! Anink Ek Mhuinom, Ekach Disacho Raza, Dolle Ugddun Poi, Ami Nidleat, Kallim Khotam, Naum Naslolo, Ratchi Rannim, Tum Khuim Rauta? Fulam anink Kolle, he shows sogleanim vakanddleat. Dezembrachi 25 Tarik Tuzo nimno show anvem pollelo Tea uprant anink pollounk maka chance nam zalo karan moji sutti sompon aum porto Riyadh ailo Auchit tuji mornamchi khobor aikon Agostache 5 ver kallzak boslo balo Mojea bhurgea ponnar than tuje shows aum poiit ailam Tujea showan koslim nam koslim tum dakoii noulam Khorench tum Goan Shakespeare Konkni machiecho, konachean negar vochunk zainam Ast balgitam konkni machi voir uronk dusre cholon tujim paulam World Goa Day - 20-August - www.goaday.com ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet-news]Goanet Highlights - 16Aug03
As Goanet News Digest subscribers you have been missing the lively debate/articles on Goanet. Here are some links to them: Orlando Gomes, former Times of India employee, passes away http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Goanet2003/message/4897 Chris Perry & Lorna (Part I) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Goanet2003/message/4908 Chris Perry & Lorna (Part II) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Goanet2003/message/4910 Chris Perry & Lorna (Part III) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Goanet2003/message/4966 Subsequent commentary and debate from various Goenkars pursued the above messages re the Goan culture in Mumbai/Bombay. Now coming to Goa - Slums! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Goanet2003/message/5010 Goanet... a youngster at 10 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Goanet2003/message/5030 These are just a sample of the discussions/debate on Goanet. Goanet sends out on average 20-25 messages a day. It is also available in Digest form - 2-3 messages a day. The Digest form is always recommended. You are encouraged to sign-up for Goanet instead of Goanet-News Digest. If you would like to try Goanet, please email [EMAIL PROTECTED] or myself. World Goa Day - 20-August - www.goaday.com ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
Re: [Goanet]Santosh & S Verses.
Santosh, it seems like you have run out of ideas and I do not blame you for that.When a person looses confidence in himself he tends to get confused, and negative thoughts come to his mind, never mind it happens and I think it is time you take a holiday and come afresh on the net with positive ideas, if you still insist, there are many to take you onn not on religious issues but on a clean platform. Befor I go off have a great week and look for ward for your reply on this. Vivek --- Joe Vaz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Santosh Helekar writes: > On Thu Aug 14, 2003 10:39 pm > Subject: [Goanet]Satanic Verses > > to any censorship or > ban of Satanic Verses or any other religious parody > in this public forum.> > > > Hi Santosh: > > You have got it all wrong my friend, I suggest you > take a deep breath and > ponder over what you write - else you might get in > hot waters someday in > the outside *free* world. > > Thank your stars that you can say what you say, by > staying in the West. > Make no mistake -- you will have had your head on a > platter, if you wouldve > professed the S Verses anywhere in the Mid East. > > > "correct" those who think > they are "correcting" others. The self-righteous > need to be shown that they > are often wrong. Tariq, Marlon, George, Mervyn and > Allwyn are doing a > splendid job in that regard.> > > > Remember this: Even your friends Tariq, > Marlon,Mervyn, Allwyn, or even > Judas Escariot or Pontius Pilate do not believe you. > They may deny Jesus, > but will not claim that Jesus did not exist -- and > that goes for your > professor friend too, who fired up this debate > (through the controversial > link) just to ingratiate himself with you. > > As for the rest of us let us take a break from > discussing with the net > jester --Chimbelcho of the civilized and free > world -- who prides on > impudent demeanor and cannot distinguish between > blasphemy and respect > for religion. > > > Joe Vaz > > - > > > From: Santosh Helekar > Date: Thu Aug 14, 2003 10:39 pm > Subject: [Goanet]Satanic Verses > > In a message dated 8/14/2003 3:15:45 AM Eastern > Daylight Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > > >I would sturdily object if Salman Rushdie's > 'Satanic Verses' were posted on > >this Forum. > > > > A lot of people, including I, would strongly object > to any censorship or ban > of > Satanic Verses or any other religious parody in this > public forum. > > > > >You will always find people standing up and > correcting any obnoxious or > >provocative posts here. > > > > There will also be people who will stand up to > "correct" those who think > they > are "correcting" others. The self-righteous need to > be shown that they are > often wrong. Tariq, Marlon, George, Mervyn and > Allwyn are doing a splendid > job > in that regard. > > Blasphemy died more than 300 years ago in the > civilized and free world. > > Cheers, > > Santosh > > _ > Over 6,70,000 brides and grooms. > http://www.bharatmatrimony.com/cgi-bin/bmclicks1.cgi?74 > Click here to join > for free. > > > ## > # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > # > # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), > and avoid top-posts # > # More details on Goanet at > http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # > # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to > reflect respect to others # > ## Yahoo! India Promos: Win TVs, Bikes, DVD players & more! Go to http://in.promos.yahoo.com ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
Re: [Goanet]Re: Vivek Araujo's Comments
Santosh, Hatred and pride always had its fall. God bless you and the one's who know you well. Great weekend and lookforward for a reply tothis mail Ciao Vivek --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > In a message dated 8/14/2003 2:48:30 AM Eastern > Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > > > Lastly Mr. Santosh ponder on what I have mentioned > and > > you will see life is wonderful not to have enemies > but > > friends for ever. > > > > Vivek: > > I have pondered on everything you have written so > far, and I am still not convinced by your > explanations and exhortations. I find friendship > even in disagreement - or rather, especially in > disagreement. Most of my closest friends disagree > with me. And I don't have any enemies - at least, > ones that really know me. > > Cheers, > > Santosh > > > > > > ## > # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > # > # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), > and avoid top-posts # > # More details on Goanet at > http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # > # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to > reflect respect to others # > ## Yahoo! India Promos: Win TVs, Bikes, DVD players & more! Go to http://in.promos.yahoo.com ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
Re: [Goanet]Re: last name
In a message dated 8/15/2003 11:16:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Paddydes writes: > > You have disregarded the Goanet Rule for 'maintaining the > thread' by constantly changing the subject line. > I checked the Goanet rules, and asked for the opinion of a Goanet administration team member. There is no such rule as stated above. I have violated no rule. If someone can point out such a rule that I have violated, I will gladly apologize for doing it. Cheers, Santosh ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]Re: Goanet digest, Vol 1 #351 - 12 msgs
In a message dated 8/16/03 12:01:56 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 9. Aug. The Guardian. Seaside snapshot: Bridlington, Yorkshire. Best restaurant: Sylvia de Souza's (01262 673210) High Street, Bridlington. A Goan restaurant, serving imaginative Anglo-Indian dishes at around UKP 6 per main course. For the brave, try the oxtail vindaloo (you can always cool it down with the coconut rice or yoghurt chutney). Also, check out Derek De Souza's Bridlington hotel at http://web.onetel.net.uk/~desouzashotel/ [bridlington_small.jpg] Click to enlarge A Goan restaurant that serves Oxtail vindaloo, cocoanut rice or Yogurt Chutney is not a Goan Restaurant. It could be run by a Goan but not for a Goan.
[Goanet]15 AUGUST 2003: GOACOM DAILY NEWS CLIPPINGS
GOACOM DAILY NEWS CLIPPINGS 15 Aug 2003 GOVERNOR, CM, BISHOP GREET PEOPLE: Governor of Goa Kidar Nath Sahani addressing people of Goa on Doordarshan and AIR said that we celebrate this great occasion with deep sense of patriotism, enthusiasm, joy and pride. Chief Minister Manohar Parrikar in his message recalled the valuable sacrifice made by the people of India for the country's freedom and paid rich tributes to their memories. Archbishop Raul N Gonsalves in a message said the Independence Day induces us to delve into the meaning of democracy and rededicate ourselves to the making of our motherland a truly democratic nation. (GT) FUNCTIONS GALORE TO MARK I-DAY: Goa is all set to celebrate the country's 56th Independence Day today with several functions to be organised all over the State. The main function will be held near the Secretariat at 9.15 am, where the Chief Minister, Mr Manohar Parrikar, will unfurl the national tri-colour. He will later inspect the guard of honour and present awards to personalities for meritorious services. (NT) CAPITATION FEE BANNED: In a major relief to thousands of students, the Supreme Court yesterday put a complete ban on charge of capitation fee by all private professional colleges and put their fee structure to scrutiny in each State by a committee headed by a retired High Court judge. Reiterating that educational institutions were set up for charitable purposes, the bench said the government should consider framing regulations to cancel the recognition and the affiliation given to private colleges if these charged capitation fee or indulged in profiteering from the admission fee asked from the students. (PTI report in GT) AYURVEDA STUDENTS TO GET STIPEND: Smiles were the order of the day outside the State Secretariat yesterday after Chief Minister Manohar Parrikar assured students of Gomantak Ayurvedic Mahavidhyala that their stipends of Rs.1000 per month would be paid. (GT) VASCO RIDERS IN POLLUTION CLOUD: Two-wheeler riders from the port city are caught between the devil and the deep blue sea. On the one hand they are being challaned by traffic police for not carrying valid pollution certificates, and on the other, there is no checking centre in the city. (GT) TWIN "BONDERAM" IN DIVAR: The stage is set for the age-old "Bonderam" festival, to be celebrated separately by the two villages of Sao Mathias and Piedade. "Bonderam" organised by Sao Mathias Sports Club will be celebrated on August 17. The procession will commence at 4 pm and wend its way through the village roads, dotted by heritage houses, before culminating at the venue of the celebrations. "Bonderam" organised by the Piedade Youth Association will be celebrated in Piedade on August 23, with the parading of the traditional flags, preceded by the brass band playing Goan numbers. (H) GRE FLAYS GOVT: Goenchea Ramponkarancho Ekvott has expressed disappointment with the government for its failure to enforce the Goa Marine Regulation Act which prohibits fishing by trawlers and purseiners within the five-km zone from the shore and inland waters throughout the year. (GT) ONE SUCCUMBS TO BURN INJURIES: One Michael Mendes (53) from Revora-Navelim succumbed to his injuries in the Goa Medical College Hospital at Bambolim. The victim poured inflammable substance on himself in the week hours of Thursday and sustained burn injuries. (H) COPS SHORT-STAFFED, CRIME ON THE RISE: The fact that Panaji police station is short-staffed is beginning to show. With at least one crime being reported daily, the station personnel continue to be stretched to the extreme. Thieves struck at Bhatlem, in broad daylight on Wednesday. The house of Vishnu Naik was burgled between 9 am and 1.30 pm. The front door of the house was broken and the thieves made off with Rs.3,000 in cash and gold worth Rs.27,000. (GT) TO BOOST INDUSTRIAL GROWTH: The on-line booking of plots, voluntary retirement scheme, infrastructure upgradation and simplified procedures, were some of the new guidelines announced by the Goa Industrial Development Corporation in order to boost industrial growth. (GT) HEALTH CLUB AT VARCA GUTTED: A health club located in a starred hotel in Varca was gutted in a major fire on August 14, causing an estimated loss of Rs.5 lakh. (H) PACHECO ACCUSED OF BASHING UP DRIVER: Tourism Minister, Mr Francisco Pacheco, is in the news again, and this time too, it's because of his driver. The Tourism minister's former driver, Mr Inacio Rodrigues, has complained to the Colva police that Mr Pacheco assaulted him by locking him in a room on June 9. Mr Pacheco was reportedly piqued over his driver for banging the government car on a bus and later keeping it in a private garage without informing him. (NT) MARTINS HAILS NUVEM CONSUMER FORUM: Roland Martins, co-ordinator of Goa Civic and Consumer Action Network expressed satisfaction with the functioning of the Nuvem Civic and Consumer Forum and the efforts put in by the forum volunteers for its
[Goanet]Re: Fraudulent medical practitioners.
In a message dated 8/16/03 12:01:56 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi, Never trust the Doctors they are butchers, u r better off going to the tailor. Moidekars are not mad after all. Joe. With due respect to Jose Colaco, Santosh and to our oncologist, Gilbert. I totally agree with the above wrt most doctors who are in my opinion equivalent to drug pushers and money conscious. They are so busy that they live in a world of their own. They are opinionated and consider themselves erudite. Note their language as they speak and write as if they are in a pulpit or on a pedestal. Please note that I am not referring to every doctor but to most. Aspirin for example has its origins in alternative medicine. Malaria found an initial cure in Peru and the Quinona Tree which was used to manufacture Quinine till synthetic drugs were introduced. Even today, I will venture to write that Quinine is more efficient as a cure than Chloroquine and nivaquine. Many plants have been known to cure mans ills. Amerindians cured the white man of his scurvy and our Goan Pundits cured many a Portuguese with herbal and ayurvedic portions when the only cure the European knew was bleeding a patient at the hands of a barber. I have just read a book by Josip Gabre on How I beat Cancer. He was told that he had papilliary transitional cell carcinoma Grade III/IV with the invasion of sub-mucosa and smoothe mussle. Bacillus Calmette Guerin was inserted into his bladder, he claims, and he ended up worse than before. He lost his bladder and was told that his cancer had spread. He cured himself with Taheebo Tea which is a tree from Chile. Doctors should admit the efficacity of herbal drugs and not ask for scientific proof of its operation. When a glass, some cotton and a match was used to extract pain in a procedure call VENTOS when I was a kid, I never asked my grandmother proof of its efficacity as the pain was uppermost in my mind. I personally seek the advice of doctors before I drink some strange infusions. I do this as a last resort. Most doctors are frauds whose main objective is money and the interests of the patient are secondary. Finding a honest and conscientious doctor today is like finding a nugget of gold in the Mandovi. This is also true with those who practice alternative medicine. We live in a very strange world where the media and opinions play a strong influence on our minds. Edgar Martins
Re: [Goanet]Satanic Verses
Mr Siddiqui, For the sake of modern civilisation please get it right once and for all. WHEN THERE WERE NO GOVTS. RELIGION TOOK ITS PLACE TO TELL US WHAT IS RIGHT AND WRONG, RELIGION WAS THE LAW AND TOOK TAXES IN THE DiSGUISE OF DONATIONS OR THITES. This day and age the Govt tell us what to do, AND taxes from us by force. Secondly the Religious people had the power because they were the educated lot, now a days every one is educated and free to make up their own minds, we do not need religion to manipulte us we, manipulate our own DNA, we do not need Satanic verses to chop our heads off in the name of Religion. Mr Siddiqui, grow up. Jose Dias From: Tariq Siddiqui <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Goanet]Satanic Verses Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 10:58:55 -0500 (CDT) On Thu, 14 Aug 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Blasphemy died more than 300 years ago in the civilized and free world. > Not really. People still continue to abuse other religions, even in this free and civilized world. -- Tariq Siddiqui [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** Rockets Lover! Laker Hater !!! *** ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## _ Get Hotmail on your mobile phone http://www.msn.co.uk/msnmobile ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]Fred Noronha's provocative thoughts on Giving Back to Goa
Thought provoking indeed Fred. You have however, provided us only one side of the argument. And perhaps as you intended, you have indeed struck a raw nerve. Not all Non-Resident Goans or their parents were born, nurtured and educated in Goa. I dare guess that if not the majority, a significant percentage of Goans, especially in the non-Gulf countries migrated there after having been born, educated and made their careers outside of Goa. Many were forced to migrate when the British and Portuguese colonies in Africa gained their independence, and from Pakistan. Nevertheless, whether first, second,third or even fourth generation, a deep reservoir of goodwill and nostalgia towards Goa exists among Goans and their progeny overseas. Undoubtedly this love for Goa was instilled by their parents or grandparents. The success of the World Goa Day observations throughout the Globe are clear evidence that Goans wherever they may be are proud of their heritage and proud to call themselves Goan. With a cosmopolitan outlook on life, Goans overseas have largely been very successful in every endeavour one can think of. Given the right official climate and the right attitude by the people who rule Goa, I am sure that there a lot of them who would love to do something for Goa. This is not necessarily giving back, as many of them may have received nothing "zilch" from Goa, baving been born, educated and launched and established their careers outside of Goa . Coming back to Goa is another matter. One must be very idealistic,highly committed and have a missionary zeal to come and live in Goa with the "few hundred pounds of pension" earned during their careers in the colonies. Many have bitter experiences of losing their ancestral properties and having to deal with very un-helpful elected officials unless allegedly one is able to profer a bribe. Those who choose to come to Goa to settle or to purchase a holiday home or deal with routine matters such as purchasing a vehicle or getting a drivers license can tell you about their experience dealing with corrupt bureaucrats, the endless queues, being shunted from one office to another, or one officer to another, or being told to come another day because the person handling a particular matter is "out of station" and so no business can be transacted on that day. And what is particularly galling and derisive is the appellation of "Bhailo" given to those of us "niz" Goenkars when dealing with bureacrats. When dealing with an official matter in Goa, there does not seem to be a set criteria of requirements. Many times the person one first encounters at a Government office is not on duty on the follwing day and the new person on duty sets up a whole new criteria of requirements. Harass the hapless citizen appears to be the mantra of governmental bureaucrats. I wonder if this is a colonial legacy ? Give to Goa we must, not necessarily give "back". However we must stop thinking of overseas Goans as mere cash cows, but as partners in Goa's progress. We must have an NRI cell or whatever it is called that is made up equally of NRIs so that the concerns of non-resident Goans can be articulated and whatever decisions are taken, are balanced and have the views of the NRIs that the cell supposedly represents. When the Government of Goa shows that it truly respects and welcomes its world-wide diaspora, and changes its attitude from one of envy to one of equal partnership, you will have created the right climate for overseas Goans to participate in the development of Goa. (Having said that, the raw nerve throbs no more !) Vivian A. D'Souza ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]Images from Goa:Photo Exhibition in Germany by Dayanita Singh
- Documented by Goa Desc Resource Centre Ph:2252660 Website: www.goadesc.org Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Press clippings on the web: http://www.goadesc.org/mem/ - -- Inside India: Photo Exhibition by Dayanita Singh Hamburger Bahnhof, September 19 to December 7, 2003 -- On the occasion of the Asia-Pacific Weeks the Hamburger Bahnhof is showing an exhibition of photographs by Dayanita Singh with 150 works belonging to the two series "Empty Spaces" and "Family Portraits". The photographs were done in Goa which formerly was under Portuguese rule and even today has a Christian dominance. Dayanita Singh worked for a sustained period on portraits of the people living in Goa. Then she realised that the surroundings have as much to tell as the people themselves, whom she had photographed.The objects accumulate their history and are at the same time reflecting the "here and now". Dayanita Singh combines in these photographs architecture and decoration to a new, astounding synthesis in which personal histories as relics of the past become at the same time witnesses and reminiscences. Those pictures, in which no human beings are seen, appear nevertheless full of absent life, however never empty." --- GERMAN NEWS August 2003 page 13 --- === GOA DESC RESOURCE CENTRE Documentation + Education + Solidarity 11 Liberty Apts., Feira Alta, Mapusa, Goa 403 507 Tel: 2252660 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] website: www.goadesc.org -- Working On Issues Of Development & Democracy === ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]Re: Traditional Bonderam celebration for GOA DAY
On Fri, 15 Aug 2003 14:59:12 +0100 (BST), Bernado Colaco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Congratulations to the people of Sao Mathias for celebrating the Bonderam (Bandeira) festival. I believe this festival should be celebrated all over Goa. --- Goa Desc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- > Traditional Bonderam celebration for GOA DAY on August 17th --- > The Sao Mathias Community will celebrate the Harvest > Festival > commonly known as Bonderam on August 17 and the > procession > of this traditional festival will begin at 3.30 p.m. World Goa Day - 20-August - www.goaday.com ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]A Tribute to Late Rosario Rodrigues
On Tue, 12 Aug 2003 22:13:16 EDT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Died on 5th Aug.2003 Rosario Rodrigues was my childhood hero ( mid 70's). I Still remember some of his first kell Tiatrs. 'Nanv Naslolo' was his horror production. With revolving stage 'uzvad paloilo' etc 'Ekech Ratri' was my favourite. I never missed his Kell-Tiatr (except last few years). I still remember his original cast like his wife (Carmin), Vittal, Catus, Boby, Seby etc etc. Every time we go to dine at longuinhos Margao, he was always there. I had a chance to speak to him there for the first time, about 18 months ago, he was simple, polite and with a smiling face. Tiatre Lovers will miss him a lot. ROSARIO-Bab, DEVAN TUCA SORGINCHEM SUKH favo korum Your fan, joegoauk World Goa Day - 20-August - www.goaday.com ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]Goa-Research-Net: Call for new membership and renewal
Dear members of Goa-Research-Net, We have 128 members on this forum, but some may need to updated their e-mail addresses if they are not getting the messages from this forum. As co-responsible and moderator of this forum since 1998, I am sorry that my professional occupations and the multiple responsibilites of my colleague and co-coordinator Fredrick Noronha, have not permitted this forum to remain more active as we wished to see it. Its success depends upon the interest of the members in making it useful. Goanet and other Goa related news forums have been keeping the Goan cyber-community updated with news and other info of general interest. Info of specialised research interest also appears in goanet, and we have had for instance the discussion about "chirputtam" during the past weeks. Such themes may not interest all, but those interested in research may want to continue the discussion of specific themes. Goa Research Net is meant to promote this kind of interest. This message goes to Goanet to invite those interested in the objectives of Goa Research Net and who are not yet members of Goa Research Net to join as members and help to make it a truly useful tool for all those who are interested in studying any aspect of Goa more scientifically. The membership is open, but the forum is moderated to safeguard its objectives. Welcome aboard. ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
Re: [Goanet]"bogus" therapies
On Fri, 15 Aug 2003, Allwyn Carvalho wrote:
> Hi Santosh,
> What, in your opinion, makes western medicine any more scientific than
> Chinese medicine and Ayurveda?
Of course, these are men and women (mostly men) in white coats, doing
things in a very clinical, anti-septic manner. Therefore there is every
reason to get convinced that they are modern, and scientific.
So if some villager from Valpoi innately knows that some plant can cure a
certain ailment, of course that's not science. It becomes science when
some multinational comes to the same area (this is not ficition, there
are a growing number of 'labs' operating there), scouting around in for
'medicinal plants', takes back the plant and the traditional wisdom, and
makes a neat looking pill out of it. Of course, one which costs a small
fortune to make the pharmaceutical industry even more affluent and our
planet even more sick than it currently is.
Our doctor friends could correct me on this, but till date nobody quite
knows how an ECT ("electric shock" or "power", as it used to be called in
commonman's parlance) works. But it does, so it's part of modern medicine.
Never mind the Thalidomide reality -- the drug which used to be widely
given to pregnant women, before it was discovered that it resulted in
babies being born with wrongly shaped arms and legs.
Raj Vaidya of Hindu Pharmacy was recently speaking about the havoc wrecked
by overprescribing
As he put it recently, in the US, 10-15% of hospitalisations are due to
adverse drug reactions, mainly due to improper use. Some five per cent of
deaths in the US are due to adverse reactions to medicines themselves.
Aren't all those pesticides and chemical fertilizers part of modern
science too? So what if we start realising that the chemical lobbies
behind them have been taking us for a ride and leading us to poison our
earth, with tonnes of taxpayer's money going in as subsidies for their
operations? (Some years back, the Birla and former US Steel/USX-run Zuari
Agro was getting nearly a hundred crore rupees in subsidies each year).
Some decades back the Catholic-run hospital network in India (e.g.
Catholic Hospital Association of India, CHAI) were the harbingers of
"modern, scientific" medicine into India. Now, they are at the forefront
of promoting plant-based medicine in India, after realising that the
prices of modern medicine is beyond the reach of the vast majority of
Indians.
We are all brainwashed into our own points of view. As a father a second
time round, I've seen the skepticism with which "modern medicine" treats
the traditional 'dais' (village medicine women who assist with newly-borns
and mums who have just delivered... they exist in many areas of Goa, but
are simply non-existent in the world of official figures too).
We are all brainwashed into our own points of view. Can we have an open
mind to look at other logic systems. This is where I disagree with my
learned friends like Dr Santosh Helecar. FN
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[Goanet]We made Goa numero uno State: Govt Employees Association
--- Documented by Goa Desc Documentation Service & circulated by Goa Civic & Consumer Action Network (GOA CAN)<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Ph:2252660 --- -- We made Goa numero uno State: govt workers -- And, now the Goa Government Employees Association has claimed credit for Goa achieving the number one status in the country. At meeting of the Association held here, President Ajit Talaulikar claimed that the actual credit for rating Goa as Number One in the country should go to the government employees for their dedicated contribution in various fields and the people. The meeting was convened to oppose the setting up the first State Pay Commission headed by former IAS officer, Albano Couto. Talaulikar said the state governmetn was committing injustice on its 50,000 employees and their families by setting up the pay commission, adding the employees are ready to rally behind the government for the all round development of the state, only if the government drops its unjustifiable decision. The GGEA president reiterated that the government should withdraw on its unilateral decision and also expressed confidence that the same would be withdrawn in the larger interest of the state. He appealed to the employees to co-operate with the government and the people so as to achieve progress in the state. GGEA general secretary, Babli Naik recalled that in the past, the then government was forced to withdraw its decision of setting up an Independent First State Pay Commission due to timely intervention of the Association. He appealed to the employees to remain united to oppose the latest obnoxious decision of the government.Earlier in his welcome address, GGEA secretary, Manohar Borkar underlined the need to organise meetings and to remain united to oppose the pay commission. Later, South Goa district Chairman, M N Nai proposed the vote of thanks. -- HERALD 14/8/03 -- === GOA DESC RESOURCE CENTRE Documentation + Education + Solidarity 11 Liberty Apts., Feira Alta, Mapusa, Goa 403 507 Tel: 2252660 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] website: www.goadesc.org -- Working On Issues Of Development & Democracy === ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]Goan food ... with fish and spces from Goa
Goan food so authentic, the fish and the spices come from Goa everyday Thane,(Maharashtra) 13 August : The popular Margao-based Fondekar Caterers have now branched into full-scale restaurant ventures. Their first restaurant, Fondekar's Rapon, was scheduled to be inaugurated by Shiv Sena leader Uddhav Thackeray on August 14. According to Rajan Fondekar, proprietor, Fondekar Caterers, the restaurant aims to bring the sense of community prevalent in Goan cuisine to gourmets of Thane and Mumbai. "Rapon is the fishing net used by Goan fisherfolk. Fishing involves the entire community -- from when the men set out to sea, till the catch is brought in either for sale or for a meal to be shared with family and friends. Rapon brings this community experience to the gourmets of Thane and Mumbai," Fondekar said. Rapon's menu has been carefully drawn from the rich and varied repertoire of Goan cuisine. To maintain the authenticity of the fare, Rapon has brought in experienced chefs from Goa. What's more, the fish and the spices will be brought everyday from Goa. In addition to an authentic Goan dining experience, Rapon's courteous staff will be at hand to educate aficionados of good food about the intricacies of Goan cuisine. Designer Rapon Dr. Subodh Kerkar, Goa's best-known cartoonist, painter and sculptor of international acclaim has designed the interiors of Rapon. The interiors of Rapon, the sculptures and paintings decorating the dining area, the furniture and lighting have been conceptualized by Dr. Kerkar to reflect the heart and soul of Goa. Dr. Kerkar represents the new breed of artists who have given a new contemporary face to the art by expanding its frontiers. Born and brought up in Goa he gave up an established medical practice to follow the calling of his heart -- art. Kerkar's ideas for Rapon were planned and executed out by Dinesh Warade and Sandeep Salvi of Archinova Designs, Mumbai. Dinesh and Sandeep have to their credit some of the biggest names in the hospitality industry. About Rapon's Founder Rajan Fondekar, the brain behind Rapon, has ten years' experience in the culinary business. His Fondekar Caterers is known in Goa for its commitment to quality. During his decade-long innings in the business, Fondekar has catered to celebrities, corporate celebrations and formal occasions in Goa. For more details contact: Rajan Pai Fondekar Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] (cell: 9821989980) _ MSN Hotmail now on your Mobile phone. http://server1.msn.co.in/sp03/mobilesms/ Click here. ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]HUMOUR-FOOTLOOSE: The George effect...
The George effect - FOOTLOOSE - Derek Almeida - I cannot understand why anyone touching 74 years would want to fly a MiG 21. I always thought people who are lucky to reach that royal age, after surviving speeding cars, bus blasts, stray dogs and cats, chain snatchers and real estate developers, would prefer to spend their time sitting on garden benches eating roasted groundnuts. It's quite obvious, our Defence Minister is not a bench warmer. Instead, he flew in a MiG 21, which, all said and done, is better than sitting at home trying to watch TV through bi-focals. I have no intention of dwelling on George's high risk extra curricular activities. My worry is the spill-over effect of these tendencies on my domestic life. Let me explain. It all started with my elder son, who is a George fan. "Dad, will you test my bicycle before I ride it," he shouted from the outside just when I had settled down for another quite day. "Why do I have to test it," I yelled back (yelling is an art that all fathers pick up from their kids). "George always tests air force jets and I was wondering why you cannot follow his example," he argued. So I went out and had a look at the bike. The steering bar was a little crooked and one pedal was on its last legs. The brakes looked okay, but then you never know until you have to jam them when a mindless stray-dog-in-a-hurry crosses the road. "Why me?" I asked hoping to talk myself out of the dangerous scheme that my son has sprung on me. "I can do it," he said, "but then if I fall and break a leg or rip a knee-cap, you could get into serious trouble with mom." He had a point there. Why would any husband with a modicum of common sense want to risk a domestic skirmish with his wife, especially when he loses all the time. I must say this bicycle test was getting dangerous by the minute. "What if I fall and break my back," I asked him. "In a family, somebody has to make the sacrifices," he shot back. Kids, these days, have all the answers. They give answers even if you don't ask questions. I gave him a sour, sad look hoping he would see the pain I was experiencing. "If you love me, you'll do it," he said testingly. Trapped as I was by a resourceful little boy with an awesome capacity for mind tricks, I said, "Okay, what do I have to do." He was elated. "All you have to do is go up the slope and zip down at 60 km per hour." "Without a gravity suit?" I asked. He did not react. "Wait a minute," I said, "I'll just go in and check if all the premiums on my life insurance are paid." I dashed into the house and went straight to the kitchen for some advise from the woman who had spent years training my son. "What's up with you," my wife inquired, "You look like a broken toy." I was about to explain when she said: "The refrigerator is not cooling fast enough can you stick you hands in and see if they freeze." This wasn't exactly a frying-pan-to-the-fire situation. It was more like a frying-pan-to-the-freezer-via-the-microwave situation. When I failed to react she said: "What's the problem? George spends weekends on the Siachen Glacier without complaining, you know." I now found myself caught between a rock, and a hard place. I had to make a choice. My brain was beginning to heat up which is normal when I have to take simple decisions. Difficult ones usually knock me out. In the end I chose the bicycle test over the freezer experiment and rushed out. I decided to take the problem head on and mounted the bicycle. The seat gave out a loud squeak and two nuts fell off. Fear gripped me. The flood-gates opened and my self-confidence gushed out. I began to waver...the lousy parts of my life flashed before me.and I passed out. That's how I lived to write this tale. ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
Re: [Goanet]Re: last name
In a message dated 08/15/2003 1:05:54 AM EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << Just kidding, Paddy. Sorry for messing up your last name on August 5. >> Apology accepted. But stop kidding and calling me Paddy as we aren't friends :( You have disregarded the Goanet Rule for 'maintaining the thread' by constantly changing the subject line. Pat de Sousa Maryland, USA ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]Birthday on 16th Aug 2003
Wishing you a very HAPPY BIRTHDAY on behalf of GoaNetters to 16-Aug Anil D'Souza Delhi Thanks, Vincente. NOTE: Please send your Birthday's details for those who haven't done so far to the following e-mail address([EMAIL PROTECTED]) with subject as Birthday/Birthday details as per below format. Birth Day/Month NameBirth/Current Place _ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
Re: [Goanet]"bogus" therapies
Hi Santosh, Very good, and very hard questions. I don't think I can do them justice... > What is the scientific basis of Chinese medicine and Ayurveda? What, in your opinion, makes western medicine any more scientific than Chinese medicine and Ayurveda? To me, the "science" in medicine involves: * observation * experimentation * analysis * documentation * publishing of information * open sharing of information * And this, in a continuous cycle, ad infinitum Maybe I'm missing some things. You can help me here. Actually, there *is* one more thing. An openness to change, and openness to new ideas, fresh thinking. It is my opinion, but I speak as a layman and am open to change, that Chinese medicine and Ayurveda meet these criterion as much as western medicine. Maybe we see a little less of "openness to change", but you have to remember that these forms of medicine are a lot older. > Should "alternative" medicine be accepted without proper scientific tests on the > efficacy and safety of any of its treatments? Actually, I think it's just the other way around. People are actually turning to alternative medicine because they believe is a safer alternative, in the long run, than western medicine. Maybe western medicine is not as much to blame as the *practice* of western medicine, the quick shoot from the hip. If you are feeling down, we got prosac, if you have a cold, we got antibiotics, if your child has "attention deficiency", hey, we got drugs for that too. (If you have a headache, chop off your testicles :) The practice of Chinese medicine and Ayurveda usually takes a more holistic approach. The recognition of the patient A as an individual, different from patient B with the same symptoms. That said, it is my opinion that a good healer is a good healer, no matter whether they are practicing western medicine or alternative medicine. > Would you discontinue standard modern medical treatment, and seek the above types of > treatment instead? I think it would depend on the problem, and I think I'd keep an open mind. I *hate* going to doctors, you can't believe how much I think there are some things for which modern medicine is better and some things for which alternitive medicine is better. So much for me. Tell me where you stand. Are you totally against alternative medicine? Why? What do you think about Dr. Vasant Lad and the Ayurvedic Insititue in New Mexico? What do you think about pulse diagnosis? What do you think about herbology and acupuncture as practiced in Chinese medicine? Allwyn. ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]Human rights activisit from Mumbai in Toronto
Mumbai's well-known journalist/human rights activist and co-editor of Communalism Combat will be on panel on THE CONSTANT STRUGGLE; INDIA, PAKISTAN AND THE POSSIBILITY OF PEACE on Monday, August 18, 7:00PM. 519 Church Street Community Centre (at Wellesley), Toronto. The other member from India on the panel is Tapan Bose, Human Rights Commissioner for South Asia. They are joined by Tarek Fatah, host of Muslim Chronicle, in Toronto, and Hamid Bhasani, Kashmiri peace activist, based in Ottawa. Eugene Correia __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
