RE: [google-appengine] Re: Google apps engine for Business pricing Q
Oh interesting. Maybe I'm mis-understanding google's intention here. I had hoped to use app-engine to host a generic web-facing site. It seems like a brilliant platform for that. But perhaps this is not a primary use case considered by google? Or maybe that's what they mean by "users outside your org would be billed differently", perhaps the whole concept is still in its infancy. But even so, I would be surprised, because a 100 person intranet site shouldn’t cost a small company $800 to host (surely a typical $40-$100 VPS on any old hosting provider would be more than sufficient). Oh well, I guess the marketing execs have some work to do. :) -Original Message- From: google-appengine@googlegroups.com [mailto:google-appeng...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Geoffrey Spear Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 1:22 AM To: Google App Engine Subject: [google-appengine] Re: Google apps engine for Business pricing Q My understanding that the the App Engine for Business offering you're describing is intended for intranet applications, and that the user count would be the number of users in your Google Apps domain. There's no "free quota" because the applications aren't free in the first place. As I understand it there's no quota system at all because the business model is different than the "pay for what you use" model in normal App Engine. (Although it may be reasonable to think you'd still have the limits of the non-billable quotas, maybe at different levels, to prevent, say, a 1-person "organization" from running some massive cluster computing application in the cloud for super-cheap...) Applications intended to be used by users outside your organization would be billed differently. On Oct 20, 12:33 pm, "David Parks" wrote: > I'm looking at Google apps engine for Businesses, and in the pricing > it > says: > > Each application costs $8 per user, up to a maximum of $1000, per month. > > Can someone explain to me what a "user" is in this context? I can't > find any explanation. Is this just the user that creates the app on > appengine.google.com? Meaning $8 allows you to create up to 10 apps + > billable usage over the free quota? Or is there no free quota on the > business edition? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Google App Engine" group. To post to this group, send email to google-appeng...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Google App Engine" group. To post to this group, send email to google-appeng...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en.
Re: [google-appengine] Re: Google apps engine for Business pricing Q
Hey David, You can use App Engine for building a generic internet facing site. App Engine for Business seems to be targeting a different market segment, businesses running intranet type apps. Robert On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 15:34, David Parks wrote: > Oh interesting. Maybe I'm mis-understanding google's intention here. I had > hoped to use app-engine to host a generic web-facing site. It seems like a > brilliant platform for that. But perhaps this is not a primary use case > considered by google? Or maybe that's what they mean by "users outside your > org would be billed differently", perhaps the whole concept is still in its > infancy. > > But even so, I would be surprised, because a 100 person intranet site > shouldn’t cost a small company $800 to host (surely a typical $40-$100 VPS > on any old hosting provider would be more than sufficient). > > Oh well, I guess the marketing execs have some work to do. :) > > > > -Original Message- > From: google-appengine@googlegroups.com > [mailto:google-appeng...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Geoffrey Spear > Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 1:22 AM > To: Google App Engine > Subject: [google-appengine] Re: Google apps engine for Business pricing Q > > My understanding that the the App Engine for Business offering you're > describing is intended for intranet applications, and that the user count > would be the number of users in your Google Apps domain. > There's no "free quota" because the applications aren't free in the first > place. As I understand it there's no quota system at all because the > business model is different than the "pay for what you use" model in normal > App Engine. (Although it may be reasonable to think you'd still have the > limits of the non-billable quotas, maybe at different levels, to prevent, > say, a 1-person "organization" from running some massive cluster computing > application in the cloud for super-cheap...) > > Applications intended to be used by users outside your organization would be > billed differently. > > On Oct 20, 12:33 pm, "David Parks" wrote: >> I'm looking at Google apps engine for Businesses, and in the pricing >> it >> says: >> >> Each application costs $8 per user, up to a maximum of $1000, per month. >> >> Can someone explain to me what a "user" is in this context? I can't >> find any explanation. Is this just the user that creates the app on >> appengine.google.com? Meaning $8 allows you to create up to 10 apps + >> billable usage over the free quota? Or is there no free quota on the >> business edition? > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Google App Engine" group. > To post to this group, send email to google-appeng...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Google App Engine" group. > To post to this group, send email to google-appeng...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Google App Engine" group. To post to this group, send email to google-appeng...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en.
Re: [google-appengine] Re: Google apps engine for Business pricing Q
i think if any user use use ir u get $8 for that but in month max is $1000 On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 12:45 PM, Robert Kluin wrote: > Hey David, > You can use App Engine for building a generic internet facing site. > App Engine for Business seems to be targeting a different market > segment, businesses running intranet type apps. > > > > Robert > > > > > > > On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 15:34, David Parks wrote: > > Oh interesting. Maybe I'm mis-understanding google's intention here. I > had > > hoped to use app-engine to host a generic web-facing site. It seems like > a > > brilliant platform for that. But perhaps this is not a primary use case > > considered by google? Or maybe that's what they mean by "users outside > your > > org would be billed differently", perhaps the whole concept is still in > its > > infancy. > > > > But even so, I would be surprised, because a 100 person intranet site > > shouldn’t cost a small company $800 to host (surely a typical $40-$100 > VPS > > on any old hosting provider would be more than sufficient). > > > > Oh well, I guess the marketing execs have some work to do. :) > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: google-appengine@googlegroups.com > > [mailto:google-appeng...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Geoffrey Spear > > Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 1:22 AM > > To: Google App Engine > > Subject: [google-appengine] Re: Google apps engine for Business pricing Q > > > > My understanding that the the App Engine for Business offering you're > > describing is intended for intranet applications, and that the user count > > would be the number of users in your Google Apps domain. > > There's no "free quota" because the applications aren't free in the first > > place. As I understand it there's no quota system at all because the > > business model is different than the "pay for what you use" model in > normal > > App Engine. (Although it may be reasonable to think you'd still have the > > limits of the non-billable quotas, maybe at different levels, to prevent, > > say, a 1-person "organization" from running some massive cluster > computing > > application in the cloud for super-cheap...) > > > > Applications intended to be used by users outside your organization would > be > > billed differently. > > > > On Oct 20, 12:33 pm, "David Parks" wrote: > >> I'm looking at Google apps engine for Businesses, and in the pricing > >> it > >> says: > >> > >> Each application costs $8 per user, up to a maximum of $1000, per month. > >> > >> Can someone explain to me what a "user" is in this context? I can't > >> find any explanation. Is this just the user that creates the app on > >> appengine.google.com? Meaning $8 allows you to create up to 10 apps + > >> billable usage over the free quota? Or is there no free quota on the > >> business edition? > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > "Google App Engine" group. > > To post to this group, send email to google-appeng...@googlegroups.com. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > . > > For more options, visit this group at > > http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en. > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Google App Engine" group. > > To post to this group, send email to google-appeng...@googlegroups.com. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > . > > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en. > > > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Google App Engine" group. > To post to this group, send email to google-appeng...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en. > > -- ~*suyash*~ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Google App Engine" group. To post to this group, send email to google-appeng...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en.
Re: [google-appengine] Re: Google apps engine for Business pricing Q
The pricing is meant to be extremely competitive against "private cloud" offerings by other providers in this space. A $40-$100 VPS does not come with baked-in authentication with Google Apps or a centralized administration, nor does it come with App Engine's APIs. You can certainly build a similar stack that works for you, but in the end, you're paying for a managed solution versus one you manage and build yourself. There's a point at which self-management doesn't scale anymore, and a decent systems administrator certainly wouldn't cost $800. As far as pricing goes, you may not personally think it makes sense for your needs, but 10 years ago, none of us probably would have guessed that large enterprises were willing to drop $60+ a month per user for a web based CRM system. -- Ikai Lan Developer Programs Engineer, Google App Engine Blogger: http://googleappengine.blogspot.com Reddit: http://www.reddit.com/r/appengine Twitter: http://twitter.com/app_engine On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 12:34 PM, David Parks wrote: > Oh interesting. Maybe I'm mis-understanding google's intention here. I had > hoped to use app-engine to host a generic web-facing site. It seems like a > brilliant platform for that. But perhaps this is not a primary use case > considered by google? Or maybe that's what they mean by "users outside your > org would be billed differently", perhaps the whole concept is still in its > infancy. > > But even so, I would be surprised, because a 100 person intranet site > shouldn’t cost a small company $800 to host (surely a typical $40-$100 VPS > on any old hosting provider would be more than sufficient). > > Oh well, I guess the marketing execs have some work to do. :) > > > > -Original Message- > From: google-appengine@googlegroups.com > [mailto:google-appeng...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Geoffrey Spear > Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 1:22 AM > To: Google App Engine > Subject: [google-appengine] Re: Google apps engine for Business pricing Q > > My understanding that the the App Engine for Business offering you're > describing is intended for intranet applications, and that the user count > would be the number of users in your Google Apps domain. > There's no "free quota" because the applications aren't free in the first > place. As I understand it there's no quota system at all because the > business model is different than the "pay for what you use" model in normal > App Engine. (Although it may be reasonable to think you'd still have the > limits of the non-billable quotas, maybe at different levels, to prevent, > say, a 1-person "organization" from running some massive cluster computing > application in the cloud for super-cheap...) > > Applications intended to be used by users outside your organization would > be > billed differently. > > On Oct 20, 12:33 pm, "David Parks" wrote: > > I'm looking at Google apps engine for Businesses, and in the pricing > > it > > says: > > > > Each application costs $8 per user, up to a maximum of $1000, per month. > > > > Can someone explain to me what a "user" is in this context? I can't > > find any explanation. Is this just the user that creates the app on > > appengine.google.com? Meaning $8 allows you to create up to 10 apps + > > billable usage over the free quota? Or is there no free quota on the > > business edition? > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Google App Engine" group. > To post to this group, send email to google-appeng...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Google App Engine" group. > To post to this group, send email to google-appeng...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Google App Engine" group. To post to this group, send email to google-appeng...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en.
RE: [google-appengine] Re: Google apps engine for Business pricing Q
Point taken. And I can agree that for a large enterprise of say 2000+ people, 12k/yr for a big app is swollowable. Especially if that 12k/yr gets me 10 apps (that point is unclear to me as a user, marketing could clarify it in your messaging). My point is about the small business running on google apps. The ~130 person business pays the same as the 2000 person enterprise, roughly speaking. It's just my 2-cents and maybe some food for thought, but it seems like this pricing model will favor large and push away small. But really, your biggest problem is that your messaging isn't clear about the use cases that you are targeting. I think someone in marketing could really clean up the messaging so that we can understand the intended use cases better. All suggestions made in good spirit, I love what you've created here. Dave From: google-appengine@googlegroups.com [mailto:google-appeng...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ikai Lan (Google) Sent: Friday, October 22, 2010 12:48 AM To: google-appengine@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [google-appengine] Re: Google apps engine for Business pricing Q The pricing is meant to be extremely competitive against "private cloud" offerings by other providers in this space. A $40-$100 VPS does not come with baked-in authentication with Google Apps or a centralized administration, nor does it come with App Engine's APIs. You can certainly build a similar stack that works for you, but in the end, you're paying for a managed solution versus one you manage and build yourself. There's a point at which self-management doesn't scale anymore, and a decent systems administrator certainly wouldn't cost $800. As far as pricing goes, you may not personally think it makes sense for your needs, but 10 years ago, none of us probably would have guessed that large enterprises were willing to drop $60+ a month per user for a web based CRM system. -- Ikai Lan Developer Programs Engineer, Google App Engine Blogger: http://googleappengine.blogspot.com <http://googleappengine.blogspot.com/> Reddit: http://www.reddit.com/r/appengine Twitter: http://twitter.com/app_engine On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 12:34 PM, David Parks wrote: Oh interesting. Maybe I'm mis-understanding google's intention here. I had hoped to use app-engine to host a generic web-facing site. It seems like a brilliant platform for that. But perhaps this is not a primary use case considered by google? Or maybe that's what they mean by "users outside your org would be billed differently", perhaps the whole concept is still in its infancy. But even so, I would be surprised, because a 100 person intranet site shouldn't cost a small company $800 to host (surely a typical $40-$100 VPS on any old hosting provider would be more than sufficient). Oh well, I guess the marketing execs have some work to do. :) -Original Message- From: google-appengine@googlegroups.com [mailto:google-appeng...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Geoffrey Spear Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 1:22 AM To: Google App Engine Subject: [google-appengine] Re: Google apps engine for Business pricing Q My understanding that the the App Engine for Business offering you're describing is intended for intranet applications, and that the user count would be the number of users in your Google Apps domain. There's no "free quota" because the applications aren't free in the first place. As I understand it there's no quota system at all because the business model is different than the "pay for what you use" model in normal App Engine. (Although it may be reasonable to think you'd still have the limits of the non-billable quotas, maybe at different levels, to prevent, say, a 1-person "organization" from running some massive cluster computing application in the cloud for super-cheap...) Applications intended to be used by users outside your organization would be billed differently. On Oct 20, 12:33 pm, "David Parks" wrote: > I'm looking at Google apps engine for Businesses, and in the pricing > it > says: > > Each application costs $8 per user, up to a maximum of $1000, per month. > > Can someone explain to me what a "user" is in this context? I can't > find any explanation. Is this just the user that creates the app on > appengine.google.com? Meaning $8 allows you to create up to 10 apps + > billable usage over the free quota? Or is there no free quota on the > business edition? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Google App Engine" group. To post to this group, send email to google-appeng...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com <mailto:google-appengine%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com> . For m
Re: [google-appengine] Re: Google apps engine for Business pricing Q
I don't disagree about the messaging. We see a lot of confusion from developers. It's something we'll have to clarify as the product gets closer to a public launch. -- Ikai Lan Developer Programs Engineer, Google App Engine Blogger: http://googleappengine.blogspot.com Reddit: http://www.reddit.com/r/appengine Twitter: http://twitter.com/app_engine On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 9:01 PM, David Parks wrote: > Point taken. And I can agree that for a large enterprise of say 2000+ > people, 12k/yr for a big app is swollowable. Especially if that 12k/yr gets > me 10 apps (that point is unclear to me as a user, marketing could clarify > it in your messaging). > > My point is about the small business running on google apps. The ~130 > person business pays the same as the 2000 person enterprise, roughly > speaking. It’s just my 2-cents and maybe some food for thought, but it > seems like this pricing model will favor large and push away small. > > > > But really, your biggest problem is that your messaging isn’t clear about > the use cases that you are targeting. I think someone in marketing could > really clean up the messaging so that we can understand the intended use > cases better. > > > > All suggestions made in good spirit, I love what you’ve created here. > > > > Dave > > > > > > > > *From:* google-appengine@googlegroups.com [mailto: > google-appeng...@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Ikai Lan (Google) > *Sent:* Friday, October 22, 2010 12:48 AM > *To:* google-appengine@googlegroups.com > *Subject:* Re: [google-appengine] Re: Google apps engine for Business > pricing Q > > > > The pricing is meant to be extremely competitive against "private cloud" > offerings by other providers in this space. A $40-$100 VPS does not come > with baked-in authentication with Google Apps or a centralized > administration, nor does it come with App Engine's APIs. You can certainly > build a similar stack that works for you, but in the end, you're paying for > a managed solution versus one you manage and build yourself. There's a point > at which self-management doesn't scale anymore, and a decent systems > administrator certainly wouldn't cost $800. > > > > As far as pricing goes, you may not personally think it makes sense for > your needs, but 10 years ago, none of us probably would have guessed that > large enterprises were willing to drop $60+ a month per user for a web based > CRM system. > > > -- > > Ikai Lan > Developer Programs Engineer, Google App Engine > > Blogger: http://googleappengine.blogspot.com > > Reddit: http://www.reddit.com/r/appengine > > Twitter: http://twitter.com/app_engine > > > > On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 12:34 PM, David Parks > wrote: > > Oh interesting. Maybe I'm mis-understanding google's intention here. I had > hoped to use app-engine to host a generic web-facing site. It seems like a > brilliant platform for that. But perhaps this is not a primary use case > considered by google? Or maybe that's what they mean by "users outside your > org would be billed differently", perhaps the whole concept is still in its > infancy. > > But even so, I would be surprised, because a 100 person intranet site > shouldn’t cost a small company $800 to host (surely a typical $40-$100 VPS > on any old hosting provider would be more than sufficient). > > Oh well, I guess the marketing execs have some work to do. :) > > > > > -Original Message- > From: google-appengine@googlegroups.com > [mailto:google-appeng...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Geoffrey Spear > Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 1:22 AM > To: Google App Engine > Subject: [google-appengine] Re: Google apps engine for Business pricing Q > > My understanding that the the App Engine for Business offering you're > describing is intended for intranet applications, and that the user count > would be the number of users in your Google Apps domain. > There's no "free quota" because the applications aren't free in the first > place. As I understand it there's no quota system at all because the > business model is different than the "pay for what you use" model in normal > App Engine. (Although it may be reasonable to think you'd still have the > limits of the non-billable quotas, maybe at different levels, to prevent, > say, a 1-person "organization" from running some massive cluster computing > application in the cloud for super-cheap...) > > Applications intended to be used by users outside your organization would > be > billed differently. > > On Oct 20, 12:33 pm, "David Parks&quo
